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This guide will, hopefully, tackle the issues of how to show the disadvantages of a piece to an artist without turning them down, how to handle comments received, no matter how good or bad they are, and how to reply to the comments received, particularly if you don’t understand or you are bothered, which may lead to unnecessary drama.
How to show the disadvantages of a piece without turning the artist down (and making them feel worthless)
Tone
We all have our own perspectives, and so we all interpret things and, most importantly, comments differently. If Person A wrote a comment and thought they sounded quite calm, Person B could take the comment and perceive it as Person A attacking them.
One way to show the disadvantages of a piece is by reducing the accusing and insulting tone by introducing words such as "maybe/might", "perhaps", "I think", "could be", which softens the overall tone and make you sound less blunt and "in your face".
Additionally, putting a small disclaimer such as, "However, this is just how I see it", or "It might just be me", helps too.
Improvement
Improvement takes tone one step further. By making your tone less blunt, you could also illustrate how the person can improve and give them an alternative version to the piece, instead of saying, "The face is fat, period".
Why is the face fat?
If you included the reason why you thought the face was fat using the pointers in the Tone section above, you are already half way there.
The next half is explaining how they could improve, which leads to the next topic…
Balance
… Of finding a balance, which is key to making sure the artist doesn’t feel as if their entire piece is rubbish.
Don’t just focus on what you don’t like and what could be improved. After giving a bit of advice on how to improve, list some positive aspects about the piece, too, whether it is the colours, the details or the small things we often overlook.
Another aspect of balance is by matching your comment to the artist and their skill level. If the artist is not advanced in their art, don’t write about things that they can’t do (unless you illustrate how they can achieve it). Instead, create a balance by picking a few key areas where improvement can be made and balancing that out by the things that they can do with no improvement.
Format
Last but not least, it’s all to do with how you format and organise your comment. If you list something negative, and then a positive and then end with something negative, how will the artist feel to reading something that starts off positive, which leads to a negative and finally finishes on a positive?
In that way, a great way of making sure your comment feels balanced is by creating a "sandwich": Positive
Negative
Positive
It really makes a difference as to how the comments are received, because if you start with the negative they read the whole comment in a bad mood and if you finish on a negative they're thinking about the bad stuff when they reply to you. ~ Itti
Comments Received (How to handle and reply)
Thanks
First of all, thank them. If they comment positively or negatively about your piece, thank them. If you don’t want to thank them for the comment, thank them for the time they spent on the comment, even if their comment is downright insulting.
Why?
Because it will hopefully soften the inevitable confrontation that you will eventually have, if the comment is offensive.
If you can’t bring yourself to thank them, don’t fret about it! We’ll just move to the next point
Take a step back and breathe
Not literally, though! (Unless you want to)
Normally, seeing things with a new perspective can help prevent any drama that is looming. If taking a step back and breathing doesn’t work, don’t comment.
There is nothing wrong with leaving the comment for a day and then coming back to it, even though commenting straight away and flaming the other person in return is so much fun.
Additionally, don’t hesitate to hide the comment if you don’t want to comment and you don’t want anyone to see. Nothing is lost or gained, in that respect.
damphyr posted an awesome guide at communityops here about feeding trolls, or rather, not feeding them. It is a worthwhile read if you have a spare moment!
Replying to comments
Sometimes, the people commenting do not make themselves clear enough. Due to this, misinterpretation can happen and things may escalate when, really, you were all talking about the same thing anyway.
Thus, if you don’t understand a comment or you are bothered by it, think whether it is because the commenter is not making themselves clear or whether they actually intended to insult your piece. If it is the latter, repeat the step previously.
If someone is rude about your piece, the instinct is to fight and be rude back. If you feel this way, try and persuade yourself that the commenter had good intensions, even if it is not true.
Additionally, some people may not be very fluent in English, so they may not be able to find a proper way of expressing their thoughts.
In conclusion, think before replying. If you are confused or disturbed, perhaps you can ask a question to help clarify that, or perhaps you could explore the possibilities of what they meant.
If you have received a brilliant comment and you don’t know how to reply, the least you could do is thank them. Some people feel that because the other person has put time into the comment, that they should put time as well into responding, but when nothing comes to mind, it may be a problem.
An idea is that you could thank the person and then go to their own gallery and comment on one of their pieces in the same way, thus expressing your gratitude in a different form.
Overall, though, a comment is just a comment, from an artist who is just an artist. We all have different viewpoints, and like positive comments shouldn’t feed your ego (even though it does feel nice), negative comments shouldn’t bring you down, either.
A few interesting guides: doubting your art? - DON'T!
How to feel miserable as an artist
Accept - Don't Deflect!
Getting Over The DA Blues: Help Guide
Building a Stronger Community
How to Improve your Art
Criticism vs Constructive Criticism
The Official CC Critique Guide
Writing a Critique
Final Note
This guide is by no means accurate or complete and it does not apply to everyone. It was written by ProjectComment as a Group, by deviants, for deviants in the hope of providing some things to think about.
I would like to thank the following who contributed: amaira515, ChaoticSkye Iluvocnj2006, Itti , Scarlesaur and xblackxbloodxcellx . Their efforts in the making of this guide are much appreciated, and they deserve to be recognised.
Thank you for reading.
3wyl , posting on behalf of ProjectComment
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Comments: 361
Zenanor In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 09:57:11 +0000 UTC]
Nice guide, this could really douse some flame wars. (Positive)
A suggestion for "Take a step back and breathe".
I would try to imagine my best friend or my little sister (or just someone close to me) to have said the (maybe) insulting comment.(Negative...?)
But again: a really great guide and a useful tool in the war against bad communication. (positive)
...
I think i did it right :>
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3wyl In reply to Zenanor [2010-04-09 19:36:41 +0000 UTC]
You did!
Although I, personally, rarely take any offence to anything said.
That would be quite interesting... What you mean is that the insult would be 'softer', right?
Now, to do it on a deviation!
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Zenanor In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 23:45:48 +0000 UTC]
"Projectleadership" exam and "A guide on (offending) comments".
It's been a good day
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nate-vega In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 09:51:55 +0000 UTC]
Unfortunately communication is frequently misunderstood, but a little kindness & respect can indeed go a long way.
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3wyl In reply to nate-vega [2010-04-09 19:35:06 +0000 UTC]
Hmm... Both in real life and on the internet, I guess, although more so on the internet.
Indeed so.
Although, perhaps, it just depends on the person.
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nate-vega In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 18:43:14 +0000 UTC]
I suppose it can be easy to say whatever you want & get away with it by hiding behind the internet, but that doesn't make it right.
Personally I try to emphasize on the positives, but in doing such I have been accused of flattery. It's probably my choice of words, but I do believe in honesty & try to express what I sincerely feel. But your right, a lot depends on the person.
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3wyl In reply to nate-vega [2010-04-11 19:33:10 +0000 UTC]
That is true.
Really?
Hmm.. I guess that makes sense. I don't think 'flattery' is anything wrong, as such, but... well, it depends on the person, yes.
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Danferno In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 09:15:57 +0000 UTC]
I always finish my comments by saying, "this is probably just me".
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3wyl In reply to Danferno [2010-04-09 19:34:30 +0000 UTC]
Has it worked to lessen the ... 'offence', do you think?
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Danferno In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 19:55:55 +0000 UTC]
I have no idea. It should tell them it's just one PoV though, so I assume I won't do any harm?
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3wyl In reply to Danferno [2010-04-09 20:06:19 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I would think that myself, but... we are all different.
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equerin In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 08:56:40 +0000 UTC]
This article is fat. Period.
But seriously now, you've got a very good point there. Perhaps you should have used more photos to illustrate your idea, but that's just my point of view. You've structured the article well though, which makes it easy to read.
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3wyl In reply to equerin [2010-04-09 19:33:54 +0000 UTC]
Ah, perhaps indeed! It would make it more specific and people would relate to it more, I guess, as well as see and compare.
Thank you.
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equerin In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 21:25:38 +0000 UTC]
I see you began your reply on a positive note, and that pleases me. I will begin mine in the same manner.
You're welcome (it's ok if you reply tomorrow, I won't feel offended
)
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Ratique In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 08:26:54 +0000 UTC]
this could not have a better timing with all this BS going on on DA lately. well written.
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Chunga-Stock In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 06:53:47 +0000 UTC]
Finally a great article outlining how to comment properly
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3wyl In reply to Chunga-Stock [2010-04-09 19:32:46 +0000 UTC]
We will be posting an article about how not to comment soon.
Thank you for the support.
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Fractalwise In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 06:02:31 +0000 UTC]
This is a very good article These are very good points to remember.
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kannagara In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 05:23:38 +0000 UTC]
very difficult issue. one of the things i have discovered is that there are many artists here who want only positive reinforcement. they want attention, worship. critique does not fit into their agenda, though they may appear to be asking for it. that's something you gotta feel out, with utmost sensitivity. personally, i am kind of sick of the great/wonderful/beautiful comments, which is mostly what i get. usually a very short sentence of praise. not very interesting stuff. commentary that suggests something be changed or turned in some way is welcome, and i have acted upon most of those suggestions, much to my pleasure. inquiries about the works can also be interesting; the subject, the thought, the location, etc. questions about processing are always refused.
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3wyl In reply to kannagara [2010-04-09 19:31:39 +0000 UTC]
I agree with you there. To be honest, I'm just waiting to be flamed myself.
Oh yes, definitely. Even if you are not giving a critique and just make a 'bad' point in passing, people can become easily offended and take it too personally, in some ways.
I guess, in that respect, we are all on dA for many reasons. =/
Ah... Perhaps it's just the people you interact with?
For me, I get many constructive comments... rarely any of my watchers just comment with a couple of words. Partly, I feel it's because I constructively commenting on their work, but... it might just be the people themselves.
#ProjectComment posted a guide on how to write an Artist's Comments. Have you read it? It lists some of the things you could do to inspire people to comment constructively, like.
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kannagara In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 20:21:47 +0000 UTC]
part of my problem i think, is that i haven't yet figured out what i'm doing here, or want to be doing here. even after years. another aspect for myself, is the discovery that i do not like to dwell on any image for very long, particularly my own. maybe i should just find more emoticons.
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3wyl In reply to kannagara [2010-04-10 18:33:37 +0000 UTC]
Ah... Yes, I can definitely see how that might impact.
Hmm... Perhaps.
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AinuLaire In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 04:46:28 +0000 UTC]
Very well written.
I tend to write critiques with a disclaimer of sorts, if one was not asked for. I mention something along the lines of this being a critique, that my manner is blunt, though not rude, and that if the person doesn't want any sort of it, to not read further xD
Sometimes I'll also ask if the person is wanting a critique, or even with a line at the beginning of the critique mentioning that "since this is a critique, I'll be honest, though not mean..."
Biggest thing is really to avoid making it personal. I think it also helps to give suggestions on what they can improve, including showing examples of other deviations that do it well.
In the end, lord knows I would not be anywhere near where I am now without critiques from both student artists like myself and from professionals.
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3wyl In reply to AinuLaire [2010-04-09 19:26:48 +0000 UTC]
That is an interesting method... and wise, too. Including a disclaimer wouldn't hurt at all.
I think that not making it personal applies to both the critic/commenter and the artist. Both need to step outside the box in that respect, perhaps...
Then again, art is personal, and it can lead to something getting out of hand very quickly.
That certainly helps.
I guess some ask for it, and can take it, whereas some ask for it but are not ready to take it...
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dasoro In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 03:51:14 +0000 UTC]
This article is well written and straight to the point. I love it!
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MaryCapaldi In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 03:48:26 +0000 UTC]
Very helpful. Stuff like this should be required reading for new deviants.
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PHarold In reply to ??? [2010-04-08 22:55:33 +0000 UTC]
Criticism is a touchy subject at best. Even those of us who have been around the creative field for a few years still like to have validation now and again. But I agree balance on both the creator and critiquer is necessary. And as mom always said:
"If you can't say anything nice,don't say anything at all."
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3wyl In reply to PHarold [2010-04-09 19:22:59 +0000 UTC]
Indeed so... one with many viewpoints.
Hmm... I must say I'm not sure whether I believe in that. Certainly, it applies to many situations, but, perhaps the deeper meaning is to think before you say anything so that it doesn't come out as... not nice, if that makes sense?
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PHarold In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 20:17:43 +0000 UTC]
Yes it does.
Actually to say nothing, when it could be helpful is as bad as saying something not nice. Whew.
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Scarlesaur In reply to ??? [2010-04-08 22:07:10 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for this! I'm usually good at commenting, but I always have issues responding. I'm going to bookmark this.
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mishihime In reply to ??? [2010-04-08 21:38:21 +0000 UTC]
*raises hand* but teacher, what if there is nothing positive about their piece? what goes in the sandwich then? mayonnaise?
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Itti In reply to mishihime [2010-04-09 20:58:11 +0000 UTC]
If you try hard enough, you can almost always find something. So first of all look harder, whether it's their idea, the choice of colours, the left eye, the placement of people within the picture, or even the fact that they're branching out and trying something new.
If you absolutely can't find anything, then just move on. Don't comment. As the saying goes, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
But most of the time you can find something.
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FullMetalMono In reply to Itti [2010-04-10 02:32:59 +0000 UTC]
As the saying goes, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
I don't know about that. I know I'm not everyone else in the world, but I would genuinely prefer that someone tells me everything that's wrong with a photo I took and not point out anything positive PROVIDED it's helpful and I can apply it to future attempts.
Let's face it, if everyone took those words to heart and moved over a picture because they couldn't find something positive about it, that artist wouldn't get any advice at all, which is just as harmful (if not more so).
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Itti In reply to FullMetalMono [2010-04-10 21:52:49 +0000 UTC]
But as I said, you can almost always find something nice to say. So most of the time people who think they can't find something good about a piece just aren't trying hard enough... and therefore I don't think they should be commenting. But hey, that's just my opinion. I just think people should look harder before saying that they can't find anything nice about a piece.
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3wyl In reply to mishihime [2010-04-09 08:41:02 +0000 UTC]
Nothing positive?
I agree with =vixen21 that there is always something nice to say about a piece. It might not all be entirely positive, but it's something, and if it balances that sandwich out, it's better than not having it at all.
Perhaps the positive doesn't impact and immediately show itself, in which case, it would be best to really look at the piece and really think of all the possibilities that it could be good in some way... maybe you could place yourself in their shoes and see things from their eye?
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mishihime In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 18:44:39 +0000 UTC]
Very rarely have I had the problem that I look at a piece an rack my brain trying to find one good thing about it, but it does happen.
Potential sounds like a nice way to think about it.
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