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Many people ask themselves (sometimes on a daily basis) why they should comment on a piece of work. Whether it's just a deviation that pops up into our message centres or a deviation on deviantART's home page, what makes us decide whether we should, or even want to, comment on that piece?
Why do we bother? Or more importantly, why don’t we bother?
This guide explores the thoughts that we may have, the excuses we make, and, hopefully, a few thoughts to encourage you to comment, not just with a few words and that's it, but to really give a fellow artist a constructive comment that they deserve... that we deserve.
What is mentioned below is by no means accurate or complete and it does not apply to everyone. It was written by ProjectComment as a Group, by deviants, for deviants and we sincerely hope you enjoy reading this.
A massive thank you to annajordanart , catadescour , technochroma , Jenniej92 and xblackxbloodxcellx who all contributed in the making of this guide. Their efforts are much appreciated and they really deserve more recognition.
Commenting
Many of us do not have the time to constructively comment on deviations, even though we want to. As a consequence, we and run, we write a couple of words, or something else that takes less than a minute to do.
Is that it? Are our pieces reduced to only something that is worthy of one minute of a person's time?
How many of us browse the galleries, on deviantART, clicking on random deviations? How many of us see so many deviations that have next to no comments, or comments that only contain a few words?
One could argue that it is their own fault for not being more active and supporting other artists. Surely if they were more active, they would receive more comments, and that... that is true to some extent. Regardless, it should never stop us from commenting and giving people feedback on their pieces. The majority of us are artists, striving for the same goal, so why not help someone in the same position as you… as us?
If you don't have time to comment, that's fair enough, but for those that have the time, why not?
Reasons Why
"Commenting on other people's work is a great way to expand your own knowledge of different variations of art. It's also a key factor to an art community - conversing and interacting with other artists creates the 'studio environment' that many artists work to in their jobs.
Commenting also shows a bit of your personality, or even that you are an open person. If you leave comments on people's work they are more than likely to leave comments back - its like an ice breaker." ~ annajordanart
"Commenting helps you not only to give your opinion or viewpoint, it also lets you receive feedback on whether you understood a piece of art correctly. Moreover, you can learn from other cultures and become more open-minded." ~ catadescour
"There is always a point to sharing your thoughts on a piece, even if only to exercise your observational skills. DeviantArt is a community site and you should feel comfortable giving feedback." ~ technochroma
Fear is a factor that prevents some of us from commenting when it shouldn't: "I think most people are a bit afraid to give a deep comment, or just don't know what to say, or are afraid the receiver will be mad." ~ Jenniej92
Have you asked yourself, "What is the worst that could happen?"
You might get flamed/trolled/etc., but you are not forced to reply and you are not forced to see or read the comment. If the comment bothers you, delete it, never look back and move on. Your self-esteem/confidence/ego may plummet a bit from the encounter, but you have only conversed with one artist. Not all artists are the same and there are many out there who would appreciate any feedback at all, which leads us to...
Excuses
...the excuses we make.
My comment won't make a difference and won't do much, anyway, because there are already loads of comments and it's quite obvious the artist doesn't need their ego stoked any more. Thus, any comments made means nothing, and there is no point.
Although there could be many comments, really look at them and see how many just contain a few sentences. Are all of the comments constructive? If not, your comment still has a chance of impacting the artist, especially if your comment is in-depth. If your thoughts are parallel to those that are already said, then there really is no point in reiterating it, but many artists still like to receive feedback, no matter how many comments they have.
"Even if you point some "weak spots" out, but you're kind, the artist will surely make use of your comment and will appreciate your honesty." ~ xblackxbloodxcellx
Generally, though, "Artists appreciate and thrive on any and all feedback on a piece. It is doubtful that the artist would leave the comments option "on" if they didn’t seek feedback. " ~ technochroma
technochroma goes on to say, "Pretend the artist and the "already knows their piece is amazing" feeling doesn’t exist. Just look at the piece for what it is. This is kind of a reverse Zen technique where instead of being acutely aware or oversensitive at the loads of comments, we are only looking at the art piece for what it is. Then write the comment, look at it objectively to ensure it is balanced for critical and constructive criticism, and post it."
The deviation is not inspiring, does not interest people, people cannot connect, etc.
If you find a piece such as this, what more of a better reason than to comment? You can suggest improvements to be made, give general feedback or anything else to help them progress as an artist. The critique template with sections such as, 'Vision', 'Originality', 'Technique' and 'Impact' can greatly aid in the making of this comment.
"Art is individually experienced and should not immediately be dismissed as 'uninspiring'. While there may be design reasons for it to not be emotionally compelling, just look at the piece objectively." ~ technochroma
The medium of the piece is unfamiliar and I don't know what to say, because I am out of my comfort zone and depth.
You don't have to have specific knowledge of the medium to convey what you feel, think and see. Some artists are fine with just having feedback, any sort of feedback. Our guide How to Comment - Pointers and Examples lists all the things you could mention (General Pointers for All Categories) that can apply to every art out there.
"If you’re really stumped, at least write about what you feel from seeing the art. All art evokes a feeling – all humans experience art at very least on an emotive level." ~ technochroma
I can’t actually think of anything constructive so no comment is better than a non-constructive comment.
xblackxbloodxcellx has pretty much summed it up brilliantly:
"Take a deep breath and look at the piece again. Name three (or more) things you like most and try to think why you like them. Write them down. Then try to look for a couple of things you don't really fancy and again, think why they don't attract you this much. Write them down. And you've got a decent comment!"
Some people believe that if they have nothing worthy to say, then they shouldn't say it. This does not apply to everyone. Although you may feel like that yourself, try and empathise with the artist and think how they will feel. You may be pleasantly surprised that people may want a non-constructive comment.
If a comment is made, it makes me sound like a douche, people bite my head off, it’s not appreciated, people will call me names, etc.
If your comment is not disrespectful, rude or 'flame-worthy' matieral, then the majority of people will only be like that if a, they are trolls (in which case, stay away from them or if that is too late, delete the reply and move on), b, the comment you type is destructive (particularly focusing on tone, content and phrasing) or c, it's neither the above, in which case, it's best not to pay attention and take what they say to heart.
"Besides, there's a saying in my country, "nunca quedas mal con nadie", which refers to those people who avoid saying anything because they don't want to get in trouble with anybody." ~ catadescour
Is that what everybody should do every single time they get a negative reply? Should we skulk around in silence, scared that the same things will happen again?
NO! Take a stand, respect the artist for the path they have chosen (even if they don't respect you), and keep on believing that not everyone is the same. Try and comment on 10 random pieces and see if the replies you get are all negative. If you get one negative out of nine positive, doesn't that prove something?
"If you're kind writing the comment, it's highly predictable that the artist will be at least as kind as you were." ~ xblackxbloodxcellx
When the artist doesn’t reply to the comments, it could suggest that they don’t appreciate it, can’t be bothered etc.
The majority of artists have a reason for not replying to comments, don't take it personally. It doesn't mean that they don't appreciate every single one, though, and it doesn't mean they won't be read. Sometimes, time can be a major factor, as our lives outside dA are more important, the artist wants to save the comments in their message centre because they feel the comments are helpful, or they just don't want to reply and thank everyone generically.
The comment won't be read
That really is not possible unless the artist just deletes your comment from their message centre without even looking, and if they do that, why enable comments in the first place? The fact that a comment won't be read and that a comment won't be replied to are two separate things.
"It’s also really tough to tell another person’s message reading habits if you are not the other person. Just have confidence! If you’ve left a comment, your objective at giving constructive feedback has been fulfilled, and you should be proud that you have participated in a group effort to make DeviantArt a more enriching place." ~ technochroma
The fact that all there is in the Artist’s Comments is '…'
Some people feel that they shouldn't need to explain their piece, that it is all there up for your interpretation. Some people speak a different language and cannot portray what they want. Some people are in a hurry, or just don't want to distort your perception in any way so that you give your genuine impression.
Either way, it shouldn't deter you. It doesn't necessarily mean that you won't receive a reply. If a piece is beautiful and has "..." in the Artist's Comments, would it put you off from commenting more than a piece that is not quite so beautiful? Regardless of their skill, pieces shouldn't be judged in a way that one piece receives a comment over another that doesn't.
I comment, comment and comment, but I receive nothing. What’s the point? Why should I bother?
Selflessness, and the want to spread the love, to inspire other people to comment. It sucks when you do so much for other people and yet you receive nothing in return, but... look deeper. Do the people thank you for what you have done? Do they hug and smile at you? If yes, then that is its own reward.
Not only that, but keep hold on to the belief that what goes around, comes around.
Continue to be active, support other artists for just the support and the act of giving, and it will be reciprocated sooner or later.
Final Note
Hopefully this guide has given you a few things to think about. There are a lot of deviations out there with barely any comments, and deviantART is such a massive place, surely we should help as much as we can?
The most important thing to think about is to comment because you want to comment, to spread the love, to inspire others to do the same, or anything else that is selfless, not selfish. Set yourself a target to constructively comment on one deviation every day, or to comment on a deviation that has no comments at all.
Most of all, though, comment for art's sake.
Guides by ProjectComment A Guide to Commenting
5 Tips to Maintaining and Gaining Watchers
An Observation of deviantART
How to Comment - Pointers and Examples
How to Write an Artist's (or Author's) Comments
A Guide on (Offending) Comments
An extraordinary group you should check out…
Project-Pay-Forward ~
"We all know of deviants who need help from time to time. Sometimes it is in a monetary fashion - Like donations for causes, paying for a bill here and there or something else.
Other times it is a simple hug, a friendly hello, a newbie who needs a guide or the promoting of an event.
And who doesn't know of someone offering or looking for commissions?
Need advice on your work? A critique perhaps?
This is what Project-Pay-Forward aims to do: Help those in need, however possible. We all have our talents, and we all have things we would like help with. This project hopes to bring together the two and get things done."
Thank you for reading.
3wyl , posting on behalf of ProjectComment
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Comments: 528
sabisaotome In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 11:13:25 +0000 UTC]
I'd rather spend my time looking at a piece I like than writing about it, unless there's a situation that warrants it (critique, etc.)...
But half the people I watch don't respond to comments anyway. XD
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3wyl In reply to sabisaotome [2010-04-14 10:37:59 +0000 UTC]
That is fair enough! We are all here for different reasons, after all.
Ah... 'tis a shame, that... to each his own, I guess.
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BerryBleu In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 10:38:58 +0000 UTC]
This is a fantastic article, it really covers a lot of interesting points. I especially like the point about being scared of sounding like a douche, thats one of my main issues that stops me commenting, that and not always knowing what to say. I suppose it's about thinking of others, and helping them out, rather than thinking of our self great job!
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cin-vhetin In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 10:33:11 +0000 UTC]
I don't comment when there's no previous comments because I may not be able to resist the temptation to just go, "FIRST!"
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Beaverlady In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 10:25:30 +0000 UTC]
Well written news article.
Thanks for taking the time to do this!
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Beaverlady In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 11:49:25 +0000 UTC]
You are very much welcome friend!
More people need to take heed of your advice here.
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Squintz1408 In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 10:02:38 +0000 UTC]
I typically always comment on something that I like... but as far as if I'm a hater, I leave it to myself.
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gosangoku In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 10:00:53 +0000 UTC]
I've got to agree with ~FootBallHead on this one. Admittedly, I often don't comment in fear of sounding unintelligent or just having my ideas and interpretations or constructive criticism dismissed. However, I believe that all of the points you've covered are key issues in commenting. I'll probably still fave and run occasionally, but I will make an attempt to comment more often.
You're definitely right about the ice breaking thing though. Sometimes when I comment on other people's work, or vice versa, we exchange comments frequently and become acquainted. Comments, be it criticism or just a "good job," are all thoughtful and make someone feel better about themselves and the work they accomplished.
To conclude, this was very well put together and quite inspiring. Wonderful work.
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3wyl In reply to gosangoku [2010-04-14 10:36:43 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad that this article has impacted you in some way.
Although, please don't feel it's an obligation type of thing... you have to want it, like.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, there, and for the support.
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gosangoku In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 20:33:57 +0000 UTC]
Oh, no, I don't feel as if it's an obligation! It's just prompted me to think more about it, both in the viewer's perspective and the artist's.
Thank you for writing this.
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3wyl In reply to gosangoku [2010-04-15 13:29:27 +0000 UTC]
Ah, awesome!
Thank you for reading it.
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gosangoku In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-15 18:05:13 +0000 UTC]
Yes, well, thank you for... something. D: *Competitive*
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SiverCat In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 07:46:11 +0000 UTC]
I try to comment when I can. It's a good way to not only help the artist or make them feel appreciated, but a good way to start a pleasant conversation. In fact a comment I just made has started a conversation with someone I've never even seen before.
I'm always happy to recieve comments. It's great when those comments have something to say, but even a "nice job" type of comment at least shows that that person looked at my art. I also find that getting even just one or two comments is good motivation to continue.
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3wyl In reply to SiverCat [2010-04-14 10:35:25 +0000 UTC]
That is true! The conversation can then build into a great friendship.
Mm-hmm. We should never take it for granted... well, that's what I think.
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SiverCat In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 18:04:16 +0000 UTC]
I know for me, that comments I've left on some piece I stumbled over accidently have brought me some good friendships. Hooray for commenting!
I always appreciate comments no matter how small they are.
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3wyl In reply to SiverCat [2010-04-14 19:30:52 +0000 UTC]
Good! I am the same... especially at the very beginning.
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SiverCat In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 20:56:00 +0000 UTC]
I've only been here for around six months, so the very beginning is still pretty recent, but I know every comment was thrilling
Hmmm...speaking of commenting once I get into a conversation with a person, I tend to go snoop around that person's gallery Your turn!
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3wyl In reply to SiverCat [2010-04-15 13:30:38 +0000 UTC]
Ah... Yes, I think I can remember way back to when I started... it wasn't too long ago, either.
Ooh, yes, that is true!
I'll see if I can match that.
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Neenya In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 07:27:59 +0000 UTC]
I comment when I have something to say.
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H-SWilliams In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 06:17:51 +0000 UTC]
I remember when I first joined back before the new critique feature, I used to hunt out and loved to comment on works whenever I found them labeled "critique requested", because I thought, 'great! people who actually care about their work and want to hear what you think not just mindless praise.' And I used to take at least 15 minutes or so, to really look at the work and sum up bits I liked and things I thought were a bit awkward looking.
But I pretty quickly discovered a lot of the time if you ever, no matter how positively, mentioned something odd or which could be improved, half the people with 'critique requested' selected would leap at you and scream "what do you know?!" "fuck off" "if you don't like it! don't look at it!!" etc...
I eventually worked out, (after a kid yelled it at me) that half the people marking their works with 'requesting critique', didn't know what that meant. They just set that on their works because they thought that it was the opposite of selecting "no comments" and meant that it meant they'd get lots more thoughtless praise comments if they selected that instead of marking their work with the normal "comments allowed"
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3wyl In reply to H-SWilliams [2010-04-14 10:34:28 +0000 UTC]
Oh dear...
That is unfortunately true, though.
Ah... ignorance.
Thankfully we don't have that any more, eh?
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yeahgirl11 In reply to H-SWilliams [2010-04-13 08:22:07 +0000 UTC]
eventually worked out, (after a kid yelled it at me) that half the people marking their works with 'requesting critique', didn't know what that meant. They just set that on their works because they thought that it was the opposite of selecting "no comments" and meant that it meant they'd get lots more thoughtless praise comments if they selected that instead of marking their work with the normal "comments allowed"
That's just retarded. If they picked up a dictionary, they'd know what critique meant. And if the other half of the artists you mentioned just didn't want critique, they just shouldn't have put it on there.
Why are people so stupid???
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lost-darkness In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 06:06:07 +0000 UTC]
Late reply is late, but... well. I feel like I have to chuck my two cents in.
First, I'd like to say that this article almost has a... derogatory tone towards people who fave and run, which I find highly unfair. It's one thing to promote the idea of commenting on another's work, and another to make an individual feel like crap because they don't. In fact, I argue that such a tone towards other people tends to discourage future comments, since they're likely to associate the negative feelings of being looked down upon with your group.
Second, I'd like to say I agree with one of the previous comments in that writing a constructive review for a piece that you find downright TERRIBLE is very difficult, if only because a person doesn't want to hurt the other's feelings. If the work has little to no redeeming value, an honest critique can be very hurtful. And why critique or comment if you're not going to be honest?
Finally, here's a point that I wish you'd considered. Writing a serious critique or comment (like the one I'm doing now) takes time and effort. In fact, after just a few comments where I'm serious about helping the artist in question, I don't even want to type anymore because I've written nearly three essays already. (Yes, I know this is my own fault.) And yet, my inbox is still full of some 50+ other artworks from groups and people I've watched, waiting to be examined every 12 hours or so. My personal reservoirs of energy are depleted, and writing 50 one-page essays every day is just ridiculous.
And personally, writing anything less when the artist wants feedback feels like I'm cheating them.
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3wyl In reply to lost-darkness [2010-04-14 10:32:49 +0000 UTC]
If your reply is late, mine is certainly late.
I apologise about that, although I will say that it all depends on how you view and interpret things.
But you have to ask yourself, is it other people that make you feel like crap or is it yourself? If that makes sense? You can either take what is said here and take it personally, allowing yourself to be affected, or... not, really.
That is true to some respect.
That is fair enough. To each his own.
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lost-darkness In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 21:00:18 +0000 UTC]
Granted, it's easy to take things too personally when reading about a topic that can feel so personal and individual-- since it's my opinion that good comments come from the heart-- but still, a person has to think about how another will take the TONE of the argument. It's easy to make a person feel small just by word choice. That's the point I was trying to make, not that you necessarily said something wrong, per se, but that the tone of what you did say was a bit of a turn off.
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3wyl In reply to lost-darkness [2010-04-15 13:31:38 +0000 UTC]
I agree with that.
Although, I still think it's about perspectives and such.
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lost-darkness In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-15 16:14:02 +0000 UTC]
Haha, everything involving people is really about perspectives, so that's true. ^^ I'm not trying to disprove that, I was just trying to give some general advice on how to communicate your point more effectively.
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lost-darkness In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-15 20:02:12 +0000 UTC]
No problem! I'm glad to help. ^^
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BlaiddDrwgMeddyg In reply to lost-darkness [2010-04-13 19:44:54 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome. It saved me having to write it.
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lost-darkness In reply to BlaiddDrwgMeddyg [2010-04-13 19:46:17 +0000 UTC]
Glad to be of service.
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Mogasaki In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 05:34:01 +0000 UTC]
Nicely written article.
But people aren't going to change. dA is large enough and general enough that it represents a pretty accurate cross-section of the modern human population, and thus we can see that most people are worthless. Hahaha.
But really, I'm honest when I say that I comment on pretty much everything I favorite, and a lot of things that I don't. I like talking. Or maybe I just hope that people care about what I have to say, which they certainly do not, but that still gives me more satisfaction than just hitting a button. XD
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