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AzureHowlShilach β€” Neck Massage part 2

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Description Yeah this sweet flufball decided to enjoy a little while x3 Again I love how their fur feels But what I liked the most was the interaction possibility, this one is such a kind loving wolf

Location = (usa) colorado wolf and wildlife center
Wolf name = Micah (male)
Specie = Timber Wolf

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to ??? [2014-04-09 19:41:59 +0000 UTC]

their paws aren't their most valuable body part, there are dogs that when losing a foot learned walking or running on 3 and they didn't even care of the loss etc, Β when wolves would paw towards a human its for attention , the most trust worthy thing a wolf would do is lay down, showing it's relaxed, and an even bigger sign of trust is rolling on it's back, in the wild the belly is the weak spot of a wolf, and in a pack a wolf will roll over showing this vulnerable spot to a more dominant wolf in the pack of a sign of trust and saying, I trust you and i know you won't harm or bite me there, and I listen, if a wolf rolls over for a person it shows the biggest form of trust, paws have nothing to do with that

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 21:07:25 +0000 UTC]

Wolves must care about their paws a whole lot, if they insist on keeping them away from you~
And I am referring to a wolf pawing for attention, that behavior is quite sweet of them to do, showing that they want you to touch them on the belly with their paws up, touching you with their paws as you scratch/rub them. It's a mutual sign of affection.
They usually paw against your face gently when they are laying on their backs, showing that they like you. Also, they may tap you with their back paws gently when scratching their lower belly. They don't really do harm with their paws, like cats would, but must really feel as if they can trust you and love you if they tease you kindly with them and show their bellies to you as you scratch them in return.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 21:27:27 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean with away from me, I had a wolf lick and I had wolves pawing to me which you can see on this photo

the paw was going up and moving towards me, this is for attention, all I said is that paws ar NO sign of trust in a human, going close, licks or rolling on the back are a much bigger sign of trust, pawing is closer to seeking for more interaction to get the possibility to lick in the face which this wolf is doing, wolves their paws are important for them but not in a trust seeking way like you are defending the whole time

you weren't referring to that in a way to seek attention in the begin of your conversations, I am the one that told you it was for attention you have defended it multiple times that it was a sigh of trust instead of attention, pawing at humans is just a way of showing they want to interact, but again the pawing is no sigh of trust, you are now using words I used earlier towards you Again it's for attention and another sigh of saying don't stop this feels good, pawing is not as a sign of trust, the trust is already gained before that

well raised cats don't harm you when pawing, my cat paws at me hugs at me and has never used it's claws to get attention, depends on how the cat is raised or were it came from

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 21:58:47 +0000 UTC]

If you think I'm stupid, that's fine, as you said, because I am obsessed~

I originally thought it was a sign of trust, because they want more of your attention, and that's how they show it. They wouldn't even present their paws, nor their belly, to you if they didn't like you...
Since you're saying that paws have nothing to do with trust, why would they want attention from you if they didn't like you? They would want nothing to do with you at all if that were the case. Pawing shows that they are in want of licking your face, scratches, etc. It's like a love tap; it's their way asking for attention because they trust you enough to give it to them.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 23:09:58 +0000 UTC]

I didn't say you were stupid but your making it very confused, you tell me your not that obsessed now you suddenly are again x-x its confusing

=_= again a wolf doesn't present it paws, it paws to get more attention but it doesn't paw with the thought of I trust you, take the example of a dog thats friendly from nature, it will paw at people not because its trust you because it wants attention, this is the best example I can give, pawing i natural movement not a sign of trust, when a wolf goes close they don't paw at you they sniff first, observe if they then feel like it, they will greet with licks, if they have trust in a certain person they will roll over showing a vulnerable part, PAWING at people is not a sign of trust it's just a natural movement again no sign of trust, if they had no trust they wouldn't let you stroke them etc, nothing with paws

dog compared to wolves have learned that giving a paw etc can lead to positive effects like getting a cookie etc, they link pawing to food, and food is one way to earn affection from a dog as well, wolves aren't learned to give a paw to receive food, most aren't , none the less nog even dogs give a paw out of trust but often out of a good reward, my grandfathers dog didn't see any use of giving a paw and pulled back, but from the moment it realized it got a cookie as most dogs are teached, to give a paw, the dog didn't mind us to hold his paw, that was due to reward thinking, dogs realize they can be rewarded for giving a paw, wolves aren't raised to learn tricks so for them they don't care to much

again pawing is for attention, you say,

=Β why would they want attention from you if they didn't like you?

the stage before that is sniffing slow interaction, possible licks in the face and then relaxing, these are steps of trust and all the steps that happen before it would maybe paw at you

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 23:44:08 +0000 UTC]

It's because you didn't like it when I changed my story, is
why I appear to be more obsessed...
Pawing as natural movement happens, not because of trust, but attention, you say. Like dogs, it may be for reward, but a wolf, it is unfamiliar. Showing their paws, does not demonstrate trust, you said, as they may touch you with them playfully. I'm not saying it's trust, but it is what they do when they want to be played with, not necessarily because they are presenting their paws, but how they want you to be there and play with them.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-10 07:38:21 +0000 UTC]

were not talking about stories, we were talking about behavior etc that's not a story and that should be based on facts

well then ?? You first told me it was a sign of trust, again your turning around your own words, I was only waiting for the part were you see and agree, now your talking as if you never said it was a sign of trust while that's the whole point of this argument since I defended that it wasn't a sign of trust

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-10 11:19:55 +0000 UTC]

Than it's not a sign of trust, that's all there is to it~

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to ??? [2014-04-09 13:44:23 +0000 UTC]

My English is a bit bad, just take my word for it.

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to ??? [2014-04-09 09:37:47 +0000 UTC]

I think looking at the pads are an added bonus~

I would [like] to gain their trust first, befriending them, offering kindness, to share experiences with one another. Once we establish a friendship, than we can hug, play, cuddle, etc. And would personally hold their paws lovingly, if they let me do so, only if we trust each other on that level.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 12:09:03 +0000 UTC]

again I want to mention that wolves are no dogs, for them a sigh of friendship is licking in your mouth etc its mainly through licks, nog hugs etc xD

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 12:51:35 +0000 UTC]

Licks are fun too~

Aside from paws, I would find a hug pretty amazing or a smooch, but I guess it doesn't always happen that often...

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 14:19:46 +0000 UTC]

a wolf will usually search contact if they are interested, when people are obsessed with an animal it could be that they avoid it rather, I had seen people looking at wolves and the wolves avoided them, I didn't give eye contact and they came to me more interested

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 15:03:12 +0000 UTC]

I said nothing about eye contact~

I am a bit afraid though...if I were to meet wolves, I would just let them come to me instead, and than we could interact with each other.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 15:12:12 +0000 UTC]

you sound like the type of person thats too exited to not look, when you talk about wanting to hug it etc it would clearly qhow you would give eye contact, if your afraid its best not to go in an enclosure, wolves sense when your afraid they either back away or in a more dramatic way they could bite if you fear them, when going into an enclosure you have to be everything but afraid

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 15:25:11 +0000 UTC]

Maybe give eye contact a just little bit...
I wouldn't want to hurt them, I really don't... I just want to play, but I feel upset that my actions might trigger a negative response...
I'm afraid a little bit, after the facts you've given me...
I know very little about wolves (having never met one and living in the city) and I guess it goes to show that I am not capable of being with them.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 15:29:25 +0000 UTC]

In wolf sanctuaries the people will usually advice people not to directly look at them, but instead to go and look a place to sit, it's important for the wolves that they sniff around and first observe the people who are going to have a bit of interaction with them etc, Β they will advise slow movement, in other words playful behavior could actually make them afraid and stay away, again they are wolves not dogs, I do not find wolves dangerous and the first time I walked into an enclosure I was positive and not afraid, that's important if you walk in with a lot of fear, then it's out of the question to do such a thing, if you would try to interact with a wild wolf being afraid it would be even more negative since in a wolf sanctuary there are people who will prevent unwanted behavior but if you see a wild one it could get you in trouble if you would try to interact, so yeah, no reason to be afraid of them, but if you are from the inside then its best to keep it for dogs now and not wolves, it's better that you learn a thing or 2 of wolves, then you understand them better too

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 15:46:55 +0000 UTC]

I've seen videos and photos where people have done that before (interact with wolves on a bench)...I also know it's important to take matters nice and easy.

I would be shy to exert playful behavior~
Also, I said I was a little bit afraid, not a whole lot, (although I may be a lot afraid of a wild wolf because they don't know humans well, and I respect that, and stay away). I will never kill a wolf; if it feels threatened, I will not resist, and will risk a bite, or even my life, because violence doesn't help, and I would feel ashamed If I took an innocent creature's life...
But going back to the whole thing about dogs, I have seen videos of people who are capable of handling wolves like dogs, and they have a strong bond. I have the utmost respect for them...
I guess I'm better off playing with my [big] dog, because, at least he loves and trusts me enough to touch him, and tickle his paw pads...
I'll just leave the wolf petting to you~

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 15:55:06 +0000 UTC]

wolves in sanctuaries are not tame, they are wild wolves, the only thing that happened is that they have taken away the fear of people wolves normally have, they have learned the wolves to interact with people, that doesn't make them tame, every time when you enter an enclosure of the wolves you actually have to sign a paper that says if something happens like attack bites etc , you signed the paper that they and the wolves aren't responsible for damage, they let people sign this encase a person does something wrong and maybe gets bitten or if the wolves bite and bring damage on clothes etc, sadly in this world if you would get killed by a wolf in the wild the wild wolf with only face one penalty which is death, luckily wolf attacks or fatal attacks are rare, it barley happens because wolves usually run away from people.

wolf play with people is a lot different than dog play, wolf play asks for more caution etc x)

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 16:21:06 +0000 UTC]

I understand the respect given here, they are wolves~
But I would rather give my life to a wolf, in the event something bad does happen, because fighting back would only make them angrier...

But again, the wolf's life [might] be taken as well...

It's a double-edged sword.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 16:52:50 +0000 UTC]

well never say that life is important, and everyone should value life, Β giving your life to a wolf, not sure in what case that would happen, but if a wolf would attack even though that's extremely rare and is highly likely not gonna happen, the best thing you can do it shout loud to scare it and if needed punch or hit the snout, that could disorientate the animal to not attack and run away, if your gonna reason to stay still and let it take you the wolf will end up death too because people would call it a dangerous wolf and would kill it right away, it happened before, even though a hiker was death and they realized it was done by a bear, they weren't 100% sure because it also had bitemarks of a wolf, even though they were no 100% sure they still killed the wolves, so if which is rare a wolf would attack, its best to win that battle for your and the animal's sake

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 17:57:32 +0000 UTC]

They [would] only hurt me because I deserved it; if I fought back, I may unknowingly do significant damage to them, and they may suffer from my attacks...
In the end, there really is no way out, because the wolf will feel threatened, and attack me, and if I attack back, I would have to live life knowing I could have done terrible harm to an innocent creature, or if other humans witness the attack without me doing much harm back to the wolf, they will take the wolf's life out of revenge either way...I would just stay away for good, not running that risk~

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 19:42:01 +0000 UTC]

if you know dogs well, then you should know when a dog runs hits his head it looks like they barley feel it, a human can barley cause fetal damage on such an animal, a punch to the snout is what dis orientates them, it desn't damage them forever, probably for a couple of minutes, and it prevents damage on yourself and on Β the wolf, yelling and screaming is what could make a wolf run away in instants just as making yourself look big etc, wolves will not easily dare to attack a human, but if you would come in such a situation not fighting back is kinda not a smart thing, because if they kill you, people will track it down to kill it, but if you prevent it then you can walk away without both parties being hurt, though I highly doubt you will ever come in this situation because wolf attacks are rare ( that is a fact) , if it would happen fighting back is for the best of yourself and the animal it's life.

We are animals our self, I wouldn't hesitate to fight back, if it wouldn't run away from my yelling, the reason i would fight back would be out of love for the animal, because if it would harm or kill me, it would face death, and that is something I never want, an animal dying because of me, for example in Yellowstone they sell kind of pepper sprays, its safer to have one with, because if you can defend yourself from a bear with it, you will know that the bear gets out free, but if you do not have something to protect yourself and it attacks or kills you, the bear will face death too

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 21:23:06 +0000 UTC]

Wolf attacks are rare, that's pretty good~

And if I were attacked by a wolf, I would probably yell at them first, and if they come towards me, I would have thrown them off me. I probably would punch them in the nose if I had no other choice, yet feel a little bad, but the point is that we're both safe. It's just that I've heard of instances where people attacked by wolves would use knives and guns, an unfair advantage, and they would kill the wolf violently, when their death could have been prevented, and it scares me quite a bit...
But if a wolf does injure me in the fight, other humans may still take revenge for it and kill the wolf, almost the same if I had died instead...

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 21:33:37 +0000 UTC]

it's a fact that they are rare so yes thats a good thing,

If I would see a wolf I would leave it alone, admire it from a distance, and if it's heading my way probably make slow movements, or show no fear at all, that's one of the key's to keep yourself safe, yelling before they get close before a possible attack happens, just preventing it,

if a wolf would have bitten you, or lets say if it happened to me, and i survived i would probably not report it for the sake of the animal surviving

I would never use a knife gun etc, its not a natural weapon so no thx

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 22:11:49 +0000 UTC]

I just fear for both of our lives when I say that...
It's just that if I did encounter a wild wolf, I would just walk away, and speak none of it.
Since wolf attacks are rare, it's best not to venture into their territory...an attack could happen at any moment.
I live far away from the forest, and I guess that's good, as I never seen one face-to-face before. I'm still a bit afraid, because anything could happen at a moment's notice... I'm better off just staying away for good.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-09 23:09:54 +0000 UTC]

no that part is wrong, even in territory , most wolves will abandon it and avoid human contact, if they would attack it would either mean it's a huge and confident pack (but with all the hunts on wolves, large packs are dying out as in europe a pack of 4 wolves is considered big, wolves aren't able to live in large numbers in most area's because of humans) , or if they have pups, wolves aren't preying on people they fear them so as I said already a lot, attacking is a rare thing.

to whayever forest I live closest I wouldn't fear an animal, the only animal that I fear is another human with bad intentions ,the chances other humans harm you is much bigger than an animal

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 23:53:06 +0000 UTC]

I feared that since they are losing more of their land to humans, they might be angry towards humans, and while the rest run away, some may fight back.
And that's sad what you said about wolves in Europe, that makes me want to cry~
Although they fear humans, it doesn't mean that it's okay to wander near them; it's not going to make matters any better since they are always living in fear...

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-10 07:42:55 +0000 UTC]

no animal cant have that kind of thinking, one of the only animals that can seek revenge are animals such as elephants and certain birds, if a human would do something bad to a wolf a wolf in most cases is afraid not aggressive, that humans take away their land is not something they realize, when humans live closer they just move out, wolves are travelers, so they just move on, they don't think angry or in a revenge seeking way when land is gone they used to roam on, wolves do not fight back they are afraid of people, so fighting back is almost out of the questions

europe wolves are living in smaller numbers for their own safety, a big pack would be found fast, besides the only big packs that exist are in reservations, so outside europe many countries have smaller packs of wolves because wolves adapted that smaller packs can come in more handy for their own, wolves are curious that might drive them to walk closer to a person to take a look but one movement and the wolf is highly likely running away , so wolves are carefull, people should be more carefull when encountering one, enjoy the sight but not follow etc

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-10 11:32:36 +0000 UTC]

I know wolves don't usually fight back, but it's a shame when humans tempt them to want to do so, even though most of them don't...
If they run away, that's better than them attacking because they won't put their lives in danger to fight a human, because they feel as if they might lose...

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-10 22:15:00 +0000 UTC]

well honestly they don't fight back if they bite its out of fear not revenge , so yeah wolves are not animals that will get in trouble with people unless peopel are stupid enough to make mistakes or provoke them

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-10 22:37:40 +0000 UTC]

They are wild animals...they are not used to humans...
If they see a human bothering them, they have no choice but to run away or fight back. They wouldn't go out of their way to harm a human...and yet humans think they're the monsters...

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-11 06:48:55 +0000 UTC]

humans quickly call animals monters,

they call sharks monsters because it maybe kills 2-8 people or less a year, people killer over 1000 of people every year, not all people of course but every year many people die from murderers, they lock those psychopaths up in jail etc, in my opinion they should just kill of the psychopaths, but no people keep those alive but kill animals who just followed instinct, many animals are called scary and evil by people while they arent

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-11 06:58:51 +0000 UTC]

I would just pay respect to animals and not bother them at all...
I don't think they are monsters, I only think that they are doing what they can to save their lives by fleeing or fighting.
Humans scare me even more than animals...it's devastating how one species can intentionally hate and murder itself and others without feeling any sort of remorse...
I respect wild animals for wanting to live their lives without encountering humans...it makes me feel ashamed to be human...

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-11 21:59:40 +0000 UTC]

well i'm not fully ashamed of the human race, if it weren't for humans some animals might not have lived today, and luckily there are good people out there

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-11 22:20:31 +0000 UTC]

I guess that's true...I wish more people cared for the life on this planet a lot better...
Also, I wish that animals could talk to us/we could talk to them so both of us could understand what we want from
each other, maybe even make friends with one another~

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-11 22:24:41 +0000 UTC]

well animals their speech patterns or forms of communication is way to different , it would be a big step if one would understand one another

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-11 22:39:29 +0000 UTC]

That would be amazing if that were true~
I would probably live in the forest and make all sorts of new friends, sharing our feelings together, happily cut off from the rest of the world...we could play all day and night; spending quality time with one another, strengthening relationships. I would compliment my new friends on their vivid personalities, and knowledge of this world, as they may share its secrets with me. Lastly, I want to thank all of them for always being there for me, as they may do the same...
This is my dream~

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-11 22:56:45 +0000 UTC]

well I only follow the dreams i find possible, to help animals etc x)

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-11 22:57:43 +0000 UTC]

That's really good too...I feel happy and proud of you to do that for them~

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-12 07:51:27 +0000 UTC]

^^

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-12 13:18:46 +0000 UTC]

Keep doing what you do~
I'm not really afraid of them, I'm afraid for them, as in concerned about their well-being more than anything.

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-12 19:36:18 +0000 UTC]

I will Β 

i see x)

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-12 19:38:53 +0000 UTC]

They thank you and so do I~

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-12 19:48:07 +0000 UTC]

np^^

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to ??? [2014-04-07 19:27:00 +0000 UTC]

How would they like it if you just held one of their paws and tickled the pads gently?
www.everythingwolf.com/gallery/galleryimages/wayapaw.jpg

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-07 21:19:03 +0000 UTC]

I don't think you should do that, these wolves on the photo are not tame, they came close because we were calm etc, so doing unexpecting things would not be in their liking, plus pads feel very rough of dogs, I wouldn't assume it is soft it isn't xD my gramps has a big dog and his pads are rough, and he doesn't like others touching it either xD

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-08 03:53:02 +0000 UTC]

But why are they so cute?

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AzureHowlShilach In reply to SpetsnazKaz [2014-04-08 09:09:38 +0000 UTC]

xD cute doesn't mean its soft and cuddly you know, A wolf looks soft, but in fact the only soft parts are probably its belly, I stroked a wolf before and their fur is also pretty rough xD

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SpetsnazKaz In reply to AzureHowlShilach [2014-04-09 01:48:47 +0000 UTC]

It's just so tempting, wanting to touch, regardless if its rough or not~

I probably wouldn't be able to control that urge even if I tried...

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