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It's a shame the titles of your deviations can't be so many characters long. Title was "Improvement and Character Developement".It's hard to believe I improved this much over just a single year. I'm one determined chick, I'll give myself that much.
As you can see, my 2007 art was complete garbage (as well as Nanako's character design).
I'll post Nanako's newer model sheet a little later on. I'm working on an art trade right now and trying to beat Twilight Princess.
Sending to scraps later.
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Quite brilliantly done ^_^
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Thank you, thank you.
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wicked awesome 
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I've seen the first one on Ag once and i was suprissed in how good you are and like you said to me keep practicing ^^ and it helped me so im sure it'll help you
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Yep! It sure does help just to keep going and improving each time.
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Your 2007 design has great color though...maybe im just a fan of bright colors....but yes dramatic improvement! Your oc looks like it belongs in naruto now!
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Believe me, I'm a fan of the Disney colors too. I didn't want to change the pretty colors, but the more bland the colors get it the more believable she was for a Naruto character since almost everyone and that series has the faded colors. Except for the color red for whatever reason. And Naruto of course.
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yeah I understand! It was pretty though!
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OH WOW THATS AMAZING u never cease to amaze us all britt
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Second pose looks like good. ^^
They are aslo all good!
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Hmm They're all good
But yeah.
A lot of improvement C:
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Moon ninja all the way. *hugs his own moon ninja*
Incidentally, the middle one is the better piece..
You're definitely getting more realistic with the latest piece but you kinda lost your way with the anatomy, which isn't as polished, especially with her arm and chest(not breast) and shoulder size, as it is in the middle drawing.
I love how much you've improved... don't stop! (l)
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Somehow I think your opinion is incorrect with the anatomy. By far the most recent one is more polished and realistic than the middle one.
Take a look at the waist in comparison to the hips and breasts. They are very "Barbie" like. Tiny waist with large hips and somewhat large breasts. Look at the ankles and feet and see how twisted the angle is. The newer one is a bit better.
The middle one's arms aren't that polished either.
Look at the biceps and how squarish and slightly pudgy they are. Not realistic with the overall look and body type unless she suddenly becomes 100 pounds overweight.
The most recent one though is clearly an improvement. The trouble with both of them is the wrist. There's almost no wrist at all which is the thing she needs to work on the most.
Although the middle one being better in terms of art is strictly your preference. In anatomy though, the middle one is certainly not better.
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I still believe it is, and it has nothing to do with the "barbie" anatomy that you see(Nanako's breasts don't change in size between the last two drawings). Besides which, the waist is definitely smaller in the middle picture but it is not "barbie" proportions, is very good in keeping realistic waistlines with Nanako since the beginning. The angular biceps isn't a sign of poor anatomy but simply a different in artistic style. Obviously the biggest difference in art style is in the first to the last two, but even the last two have significantly different aspects upon their style.
What I am getting at is that even a cartoony look like her first drawing, and even other cartoons like Rocket Power, Justice League, etc. where proportions are very stylized(like the proportions for her first and second drawing), there is always a set anatomy designed specifically for those proportions.
What you are saying is that the last piece is more realistic than the middle, which I myself have already said. But despite being a more realistic style, the anatomy of the middle piece is far more polished for its more exagerrated style than the recent one.
As I had told , the problem is with her shoulders; they come together too closely.
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Exactly what do you mean by polished? Apparently we have different definitions, because you seem to like the exaggerated, less realistic style which I mentioned is strictly a preference and that has less to do with what is polished. Polished in my terms means something cleaner, more detailed, refined, and not as messy. Considering both the middle and the recent one are rather well done, it is a matter of what she was going for, and since she wants it as close to Masashi Kishimoto's style, thus she wants it more realistic which we have both stated to be the newest one.
I don't know what kind of women you see, but I know my female anatomy very well. That waist is definitely small in the middle and more closer to Barbie than you think. Think of it this way, if two people had d cups for breast size but one had a smaller width all around, which one do you think would look bigger? The one with the tinier body would look like she had bigger breasts. And if you look closely, people with big breast usually do not have big hips or tiny waists. People with tiny breasts have very large hips. Then there are people with large breasts and large hips, but an average waist. For someone to have all three means they have an unhealthy body and proportions.
This girl wasn't going for exaggerated but a more realistic style than you prefer. What have you stated of the breasts being the same size is both correct and incorrect. While one fits the body type more, the middle one is too large for such a tiny waist and large hips for it to be healthy or realistic.
And she has a problem with both picture's shoulders. The recent one may be too short, but the middle one is too broad. Generally someone with a short neck has broad shoulders and someone with a long neck has short shoulders (But in the middle one, she has a long neck and broad shoulders which is disproportioned). Exceptions to this rule are very muscular people since their shoulders tend to angle more.
The arms are not just strictly style. If you look at her work, very few of it is angular, it's more curvy and thus the arm was a flaw, especially when the bicep was in a relaxed state and should not be so square. Even a muscular person will square out like that, it is relaxed thus it's more round, curvy. Now if she did that when her tricep is relaxed instead (like her arms behind her head in the recent picture), then it is easier to believe that her bicep would take a more angular look if her happened to be either chubby armed or muscley.
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It's not about 'liking' either drawing, it's nothing to do with preference. The third drawing is my favorite, but I still believe the second drawing is more polished.
The definition is not different between the two of us, you are absolutely right: "something cleaner, more detailed, refined, and not as messy." Because of the problem with the shoulders with the third drawing, its anatomy simply isn't up to snuff with the less asymmetrical shoulders of the middle drawing.
If you believe that Masashi Kishimoto's style is one that revolves around realism, then I must strongly disagree with stark examples like Tsunade. Is actually going above and beyond Kishimoto's style in the third version, being much less stylized with more realistic proportions.
I'm not doubting your knowledge of female anatomy, but having seen women of all shapes and sizes in both my art colleges, I have seen proportions similar to the middle drawing more than once. I get the feeling you seem to believe that I like the middle drawing because it's more appealing to the mainstream eye, but besides already stating that my favorite style of hers is the latest, I would appreciate if you do not assume what it is that I find appealing, just as I have not assumed your personal ideology on the matter.
I see the problem with the third drawing's shoulders is more obvious than the exaggerated stylization of the second drawing, which while exaggerated, at least proportional symmetry on both sides of the body better than the last at the time. Ultimately, the middle drawing is the most closely similar to Masashi Kishimoto's style, not the last drawing, which is becoming something more, something new, which is why it is my preferred version.
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I assumed simply because you implied it, whether you were conscious of it or not. Believe it or not, Tsunade may have big breasts, but not a tiny waist or large hips. The anime exaggerates his drawings slightly, but Kishimoto is far more realistic than you think (I have the art books of Naruto and Kishimoto himself said that he has done years of sculpture and such to get the anatomy down.)
By the way I know there are plenty of people with different anatomy since I come from a family with large breasts and short people. And I have friends with different aspects. But even someone who is bony/skinny don't have that kind of waist (unless you're wearing a corset or something similar- a lot of women do and they don't tell you)
It only seems symmetrical because we have a 3/4 views of her body. If you look at Kishimoto's women, the one's with the largest hips (Ino and Karin) do not have small waists or overt muscular design, they do have thicker thighs though.
That's a different view of what's up to snuff. I consider the middle one not "up to snuff" as you put it, because it has more anatomy mistakes than the recent one. (Ultimately? There's a superiority now?) neither one is closer, because they are rather similar in style despite anatomical and shading differences. After all, Kishimoto is simpler in design when it comes to hair unlike this one and keeps his facial features very distinct while all three are rather plain. Kishimoto even said he makes things too detailed and has to tone down a lot in which case is exemplified here. Another difference is that Kishimoto is a VERY sketchy artist while BrittaniRae is a little cleaner.
Less stylized? How so, she's detailed it even more or do you mean something else?
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I did not imply it, I said that the second drawing was the better drawn, you were the one that took it at more than what I wrote. Please do not try telling me what I am conscious of when I say something, it is demeaning.
Tsunade doesn't have big breasts, she has massive breasts, and while she is more proportionate than most women of her kind, she is still an exaggerated character.
You don't have to be bony/skinny to get the waistline that is shown in the second drawing, it's simply a matter of genetics. It's not difficult to tell when someone is wearing a corset, but here in Miami, where most women wear mid-drifts and light wear, it's not anyone's imagination how they are shaped.
You're using the 3/4s term incorrectly. Only the oldest (1st) drawing is even close to a 3/4's view, the 2nd and 3rd are not 3/4's, otherwise they would be facing slightly off to the left or right, not straight at the viewer. Rather.. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the term of symmetry, 3/4's view and Kishimoto's women's hips, I must be misunderstanding your words.. but symmetry wouldn't be visible regularly in a 3/4's view because since the body is facing off to the side, one of the sides would be larger than the other to the human eye thanks to perspective. symmetry can be best seen when the figure is facing the viewer, like the 2nd and 3rd drawing are.
I still believe that the third drawing is farther from Kishimoto's style than the 2nd, not just because the proportions are even more realistic.. the most differences are in the face and head structure, the way the eyes are drawn, the roundness of the cheeks.. certainly, is taking alot from Kishimoto's style, while she may be imitating it she is not duplicating it, and that is not a bad thing.
Less stylized means that it's more realistic to nature's specifications. The difference between being stylized and not stylized is the difference between Egyptian and Roman paintings, respectively, or Mike Mignola and Jim Lee respectively. Stylized art does not take to the rules of the natural anatomy and physiology, but rather goes by its own artistic set of rules. That is how cartoons can still look good even though they are not drawn hyper-realistically.
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" The research found that although only 8 per cent of women now had the sort of hourglass figure flaunted by curvaceous 1950s film stars such as Sophia Loren, designers and manufacturers continued to make clothes to fit a slim-line version of that figure.
Of the 6,000 women's body shapes analysed, 46 per cent were described as rectangular, with the waist less than nine inches smaller than the hips or bust. Just over 20 per cent of women were bottom-heavy "spoons", or pear shapes, with hips two inches larger than busts or more, while almost 14 per cent were "inverted triangles" - women whose busts were three or more inches bigger than their hips." ..."The fashion industry ignores the true size of women at its peril," she said. "As to why they do, stupidity is the only reason I can think of. It is the result of adhering unthinkingly to a tradition."
And the idea that larger women are not the ideal to design for is a myth. "I have measured film stars who have 42 inch hips, and are still getting a lot of work. It is not how fat you are, it is whether you are fit that matters. People can be beautiful when they are any shape or size."
Your women may appear to be hourglass figures, but that is only how they SEEM. There's a lot one can do to change her appearance. In fact many stars have the straight figure, but they say they have the hourglass figure, because that is what everyone think, that is what they want, and that is what they think they see. Measure them, and it's different.
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Wow...your definition for stylized is way different...I'll just leave that to your opinion of the situation or our Art Colleges being entirely different.
Tsunade being exaggerated? I've seen a girl with bigger breasts than Tsunade and little hips (And she was not fat).
"Better Drawn"- Again, only your opinion. I'd say the one with less anatomical mistakes would be the "better" drawn and that would be the recent one.
Looking at the faces, they are quite similar despite the recent one's roundness. Take a look at Tenten (quite round), Tayuya, Young Ino, and Hinata. They're just as round. The major difference in the faces is that the eyes are smaller and closer than the middle one, making the face look wider.
And with faces, Kishimoto actually varies a lot depending on what kind of character he wants to draw. Even their eyes tend to vary a bit. He personalizes all the characters so they can be distinguished and have a lot of personality.
And sometimes it is difficult to tell when someone is wearing a corset when they don't put it to the 0 waist version. I wore one and no one noticed one bit. My friend wore one and she looked exactly the same (which is funny because she got the smallest size).
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I had thought that this would end..
I don't see how that article disproves the 'hourglass figure'.. 8 percent is not 0 percent, right??
My definition of 'stylized' is not MY definition, nor my opinion.. you need only plug in 'stylized art' into google to see that the images of figures that pop up are not exactly naturalistic.
When a woman has breasts individually larger than her skull(like Tsunade does) and a shapely body(like Tsunade does), they are either exaggerated animated characters, or cosmetically altered. Since the girl you've seen did not feature this(having small hips), she isn't in the same catagory as Tsunade.
I don't see where Kishimoto's face-art fits in this..
I have seen enough corsets to know that, if the woman is wearing light fabric mid-drifts/Tees, I would know if they are wearing one or not.. regardless, few people here wear corsets because of the climate.
I'd rather not continue this, it's obvious that neither of us will be changing our minds.
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True, neither of us will change our minds. It's the basics of human psychology. That and I have a lot more research I could somehow squeeze into this, but that would require finding all those articles (and there's a lot).
Sorry, but I have a different definition for stylized whether you refer to the typical reference or not.
Tsunade doesn't really have a shapely body, just huge breasts which make her SEEM shapely. Again, I have several referenced images of her, but she would be the inverted triangle shape, because her hips aren't that large to be 'shapely' enough. Tsunade is actually rather normal, because I too, have breasts larger than my skull. It's not as exaggerated as it may seem. Much of my family also have breasts like this, but most of us are still banana shaped as the article would say, if you measured us.
You're the one to mention Kishimoto's face-art first...which is why I mentioned it.
That depends all on the corset and the people. There are some where you can't tell at all such as those skin-colored ones, weird fabric ones and ones that look like simple tank tops or tube tops (not all corsets are the same shape for one thing). My friend is obsessed with corsets, I think she would know.
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.... -_-
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to continue this any further than this post. Just like you, I have plenty of information that can be squeezed into this, but there is no point to it because so far everything that's been said now can't be proven or disproven by either of us because it's based entirely on opinion. The definition of 'shapely' is completely subjective to the person who is saying it, firstly, that is a concept too abstract to be based upon any fact.. And I cannot believe you CONTINUE to insist that I don't know what a corset looks like and that I MUST have been fooled before by one. As I said twice already, stop assuming you know how I am thinking. You're right, I mentioned Kishimoto's faces first, so I concede to that.
Again, you are not proving anything to me, as I have proven nothing to you, so please do not respond to this with more debate.
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I never even assumed you were "fooled" as you call it. I just put in my words that there are some instances where you can't tell, because you seem to have a place that has an over flux of MANY hourglass women when it's so unlikely. It is entirely possible you wouldn't know some of the many versions of corsets that have different names or look very modern. It's also entirely possible that their clothes just make them look like that. Tight shirt opposed to Baggy shirt for example make a person look very different.
By the way, you also said shapely first. I was just using your word.
Why shouldn't I respond? Isn't it human right?
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So, you're not assuming that I would have been deceived into thinking that someone is not wearing a corset, but, you continue to tell me that sometimes you can't tell.. what are you trying to say, then? Whether or not a corset can be worn deceptively, and the way that clothes look on a person, none of this changes that there are plenty of women here in Miami who have the same physique as the drawing in the second image, and because of the heat of this place it's not something that is an illusion from clothing since girls aren't wearing clothes that go any lower than the tops of their ribcages.
I'm not saying to not respond, I'm saying to not respond with more debate.. because if you continue this any further it's going to turn into harassment.
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How would it turn into harassment? Am I emotionally tormenting you to the extent when I'm not directly insulting you.
And yes, I'm just saying SOMETIMES you can't tell. I'm not saying you can't see the obvious one with strong boning, but the ones that are far more discreet.
Have you actually measured them? Just because they seem to have that physique does not mean that they really do. There's even an article where men say they prefer the hourglass shape, but when given a visual test of sorts, they really prefer the banana shape. Many things in your brain can deceive you, but sometimes you have to be given a test where there really is no answer to see what is not deceiving you. My mom seems to have that physique, but measuring her...she's a banana. My roommate who looks quite curvaceous is still a banana shape. What they seem isn't the same as their real physique.
And yes I've seen clothes like that millions of times. My mother and sister and just about any female from my mother's side. You know Panama is just as hot and they wear similar clothing-I've lived there too.
You really should look on the bright side. Debate is fun and it's rare to come across one where both sides have valid points (at least on the internet).
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emotionally torment?? No, harassment can be as simple as consistently pestering someone. I already tried asking nicely that we end this debate but you don't seem to get the picture, then I requested with more fervor to no avail.
Say whatever you want, I am not replying to this anymore.
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If a child decided to poke you for hours, would you go off on them? In a real debate, you can't end it simply by saying, "I'm tired of this." No lawyer can do that. Candidates certainly don't do that in debates.
You didn't ask nicely. You basically said I should stop. Not you. Me. That isn't equivalent to nice. Whether it was intentional or not, you were not being nice.
Then don't reply, you have a right not to, as much as I have a right to reply.
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...you just compared yourself to an annoying child.. o.0
I'm sorry.. I couldn't resist. 
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So? I also said the same thing about presidential candidates and lawyers. They do the same thing.
Blocking only works for your personal page, last I checked.
I thought you said you wouldn't reply?
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thanks for not taking offense
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WHOOTTT!!! GOOD JOB! 
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Sure. Where you planning to do a full shot? 
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Well..I was planning to do something like [link]
and a full shot as well. If you look on my journal, you'll see how much I'm drawing. XP
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Oka! I hope it won't be too rough on you.
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don't worry. I need something to do here. All I ca do is stay at home, cause it's way too hot inside. I'm going on a picnic tomorrow, so hopefully I can work on the picture. I hope everyone else will love it. It's looking good.
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wow o.o that IS a good bit of improvement for just one year. Very nice ^^
lol your 07 isn't garbage << thats better than me now x_x;
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I SEE IMPROVEMENT OF THE EVERYTHING!
Seriously though, great job. I like her current design the best though...
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