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How to draw my fantasy feline species - the siderian- correctly...Based on the many mistakes I have seen in fan works and mistakes I did myself....It is also useful to draw typical cats and to learn the difference with dogs.This was a good exercise for me and I hope it will improve a lot of fanworks too.
You're allowed to draw your own siderian character, but please ALWAYS refer to me (my DA) and show me the result (I'm curious!!
) feel free to submit your fan work in the group Siderians are as tall as a horse (although weigh less). They look roughly like a hybrid between a tiger and Oriental cat (extreme type Siamese), with some influences of the Eurasian lynx, like the big paws.
With this video you get a good feeling about the siderian appearance www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fea… (but keep in mind that Oriental cats have more gracile legs than cheeds).
Individual siderians vary largely in the % of tige, Oriental cat lynx represented in their anatomy, but all siderians have:
- the overall body shape, powerful frontlegs, large shoulderblades and narrow hind-legs and butt of a tiger.
- the head of either an Oriental cat, tiger or something in between (although the eyes are smaller than in cats and the head has more the pantherine 'heaviness'.
- the headlenght - shoulderheight - bodylenght proportions (but this approx. the same in Oriental cats as well) and huge paws of a Eurasian lynx (some have a slightly longer body or slightly shorter legs).
Some examples of siderians with various influences of the three felids:
*Tiger-biased
*Oriental cat-biased:
*Lynx-biased:
Siderian species and art by me!! Please don't copy and/or use it without my permission!
...srry for the typos...
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You're welcome ^^
And yes, that totally makes sense - you chose him for his exaggerated features to make it clearer what Cheeds should look like.
And yes, it annoys me quite a bit, to be honest, although I can see why it's easy to miss out. 
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Ha yeah I see - understandable. However I have to say that if I correlate some features of Krovendraekk with canines or felines they correlate better with canines I think. Maybe because of the long, straight legs, shape of the chest and long muzzle? But yeah for the rest do they not look like a dog at all O.o - weird if people dont take any effort to take a closer lookk...
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Exactly.
And yes, I would agree that, out of the two groups, they resemble dogs more closely, because of the straight limbs, compact narrow paws, longer neck and head etc. The chest is kind of similar, although the ribcage has a more "square" appearance than the curve of a dog's chest. Haha, I completely agree. 
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Excellesnt tutorial!
I like how you showed other the dos & don'ts in a intersing, helpful way!
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Thanks!! haha yes I had to make some fun with it as well
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You are obviously really deep into this, I also mean your anatomy knowledge, eg. the reason why a shoulder blade would look too small in my drawing would be cause I do not know how to exaggerate it O.o
I bet it took you forever to learn all this O.o
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Thanks!! Yeah it took me very long to get learn all the subtle differences. But recently I had to write a little thesis about feline anatomy for a course at the uni so it was very helpful 
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Yeah, it did, I will probably read it... again and again to remember everything XD
thank you
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That's a really impressive piece of thought. The species is really well thought out. I'm always looking forward to your comments on the build.
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Thanks! Yeah I love studying anatomy
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That's easy to see. It's very well done!^^
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This will help a lot when I create a Cheederian.....
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I feel that I need additional studies of felidae and canidae anatomical peculiarities 
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Thanks! Yeah it may help with drawing cheeds - I jsut illustrated the feline-canine differences with the help of good and wrong cheeds XD Was thinkig about a general feline-canine tut too but I think its not necessary anymore with this one.
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very useful information there! you know, i still have to fix the Jato character sheet and this will be very helpful for me \m/
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Thansk! yeah I'm curious how this will help you too
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mainly the head O3o
i really got it wrong on that Jato character sheet D:
and for future Cheeds drawings yeah XD
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Hehe I will soon submit the new version of the head anatomy sheet- the one I now have in my gallery has a lot of mistakes. The better one will come soon. Meanwhile I have enough good head references in the charactersheets
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ah good
i've been training on drawing Cheederians XD did some sketches here, i think I'm getting better
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Hehe I submit the new version of the head these days; so that can be of huuuuge help. That seemed to be your most difficult part I think (and the curve of the backbone - it is supposed to slope in the opposite direction
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Indeed, it will be a massive help for me
yeah i saw it O.o i'm gonna do a new Jato character ref, his current one have to many mistakes O.o i also think he is too long XD
after all i want refs because your b-day is coming too XD (and i've got some evil plans and ideas here 
And i also wanted to ask this some time ago but, what are all the possible colors variations of the Cheederian's eyes? because so far i only saw yellow,green and blues O3o
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Here is the new anatomy sheet for the head: (a huuuuuge change)[link]
Maybe you like these too, as source of inspiration....
[link] - Stian sketches..only the one of him a kitten is anatomically a bit incorrect, but it's really really typically him...
[link] (funny haircuts...Stian does not look amused Oo even if it fits him somehow 
[link] - Morehvan; the boyfriend of Stian's daugher...a nice guy who appeared in my head - maybe some kinda inspiration XD
[link] - Morhtian, Stians most beautiful son...
[link] and the shining white main character of the first novel...
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\m/ truly inspiring pics O.O and also amazing! XD
lollolol Stian pics XD but i prefer with his current hair :3 XD
But i already chose my "victim" XD who is being draw right now
Wow O.o my eyes! Yves! she is beautiful :U never saw such a bright and "shining" Cheed O.o i see she is related to Noiro somehow.. their surnames O3o lol Yves and Noiro are totally opposite! XD
Also adored Morthian and Morehvan *.* Morthian really looks likes his father
Ahw but you didn't told me about the Cheed's eyes o3O
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oh fuck I forgot - All the colours common in domestic and wild cats - except for the really dark eyes you see margays. Cheeds have light eyes - the absolutely darkest colour possible is like the orange-brown eyecolour of Brittish Shorthairs. The pupil must always be visible. No unnatrual colours like purple or red. Altought I often draw the eyecolours with deeply saturated colours - like toxic green and deep blue. But it seems possible sometimes in cats. So stick to domestic cats - then you're safe
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ah thank you Mystica
it is because i was thinking on draw me as a Cheed and my main character's eyes are red, but i was in doubt if it was possible for a Cheed to have red eyes, so asked you first XD
Green,blue and yellow eyes..all are so cool i will take some time to pick one XD
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okay great thanks! this will help a lot. I do see my weak points. it will be hard to shake them...I have a tendency I"m sure you've noticed to make all my animals with long elagent legs, and actaully I tend to give animals longer necks than they really have....I dont know if I can change that though that's just my style...and you havent seemed to mind it, but i will definatly work on not making the ankels so weak and pointed and yeah...I do that alot lol! And I do tend to draw cheeds (particulary MIneuh) with deep chests, I didn't realize how dog-like it was until a friend of mine pointed it out, so I"ve started to stop that but I always drew MIneuh/Mudstar with a deep chest because she's a runner, and I guess maybe cause in the back of my mind I am a lover of Grayhounds and Borzois but I will definatly fix that in future pictures! thanks this will help a lot!
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Hehe well you've in general very good cheed-art! But yes indeed I see too much sight-hound in your drawings...for soem reason mainly in Stian while he's most the opposite of a sight-hound of all my cheeds Oo. Anyway the big difference with those dogs is that the legs are thin and all the weight is focussed on their musclular bodies...which gives them - in my opinion- a too wide, ugly ass....But for tehr est...I like sighthounds too..beautiful in their own way! but as logn as features dont appear in my cheeds XD. But anyway I think it will help ya too, to improve
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yep thank you very much, yeah see to me...like in the older version of the "white Devil" honestly??? I liked how his legs were a little slimmer, that's more my usuall style I just...even my humans have long slender legs and long necks. 
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Ha good that you make them look more cheederian! Yeah especially Stian must be very cat/tiger like with heavy, strong legs rather than thin legs ^^ But his body is still very very narrow and bony.
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well he's a youngan in this picuter..maybe I'll post it this evening or tomarrow if i get up to the library *the computer at my work cant handle uploads hahahah!)
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I just love looking at the musculature O_O
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Ahah.. The dog dick in the first 'wrong' panel and the emoticon below it.......
The illustrations with Stian are really helpful to learn how to apply the tips!!
This is going to help future cheederian fan artist (me me me) greatly!!
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Ha yaeh maybe its gonna be useful too! I alerady saw some dresults!! great 8D I'm making more S.S. studies now because he's a good cheed-example and of course very rewarding to draw
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Though I don't draw Cheedarians specifically, this was extremely helpful for me in general. I draw primarily canines and have been working on various other species. This made some very good distinctions for felines and pointed out most of the problem areas I struggle with. Thank you! Thank you so much! It's very appreciated.
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Thanks! Yes before I started to draw felids and cheederiasn I also mainly drew wolves, so I had to make that switch too...and in my earlier drawigns I see I made the same mistakes as I pointed forward in the tutorial
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looking at the wrong pictures...
I see canine anatomy >8C the wrong one shows more a canine feline hybrid then a feline hybrid 
I think this will clear a lot up for people who want to draw a Cheederian ^^
and lolol "neckfur is missing, not sexy!"
volgens mij had ik ergens gelezen dat dat haar op hun schouders ook te maken heeft met een parter kiezen ?
this really temps me to draw a Cheederian once again :3 to be fair If I look at some fanart of your species I indeed see a lot of mistakes, XS ( not that I could do better...O.o) even when there are so many good references you made :3
anyways, wonderful ref^^ and the anatomy is again outstanding
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Lol dankies!! Yes iid! Most people draw them too canine since canids are more or less showing a staNDARD arrg capslcock...mrgoed weer op t engels: canids have a more standard bodybuild and are therefore easier to draw then the highly specialized felines...but yesh neckfu is important for mate-choice.
I'm curious to see fanart from you toO!!
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you're welcome ^^
and indeed... canines are just way to popular >.< yeah indeed, they are easier to draw >.> people are just lazy somethimes, felines are a bigger challenge to draw, especially to people who are used to drawing canids.
thanks !I'm glad you are
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I've always thought these looked really funky and weird.
I dont really know why. O.o
I think its because they just seem... off, too thin, long and fragile looking. I get the whole Lynx base, and I can see it greatly in them, but... the body length just throws me off. xD
Please dont take this the wrong way, I think its a great species, they just look odd to me. Lol
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Have you you ever seen (extreme type) Oriental cats? I can overlay a photo of my cat on the cheederian and it exactly fits fits - Oriental cats are even longer but as narrow as cheeds. Also that is measured. But yes I have to agree...most people who see an extreme Oriental cat the first time can't believe their eyes so in that way I understand your confusion.
Wait I have maybe some videos of my Oriental shorthair (and he's even robust compared to the even thinner Siameses I've seen) [link] , and an even better exemple of a very thin Oriental shorthair (more long-lined than Nintu, my cat) [link] . This one is very thin..but some even extreme siameses are rather fat and not showing the typical cheederian body.
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I think their size throws me off too.
A Friend of mine has a Oriental, but he is kind of chubby, so you cant really see the thin and long body and what not.
I can see it now, still look a little weird to me. xD
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Hehe yes I see. Maybe it's also where your're used to. I saw my slender Oriental cat everyday and started to see that as normal (so normal that I saw my other 'normal' cat as fat
Anyway the cheederian anatomy should be correct in the sense of 'possible in real animals' since I have overlayed the drawings with photo's of my cat and lynxes - just to check if they are not too narrow or if the paws are not too big.
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Yeah, I can see where your coming from. I have a Beagle/ English Pointer mix as well and she has long legs of a pointer but she has a somewhat stocky body, she isnt over weight, she just has alot of muscle.
Maybe the more I see them the more I'll get use to them, we will have to see. =3
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