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himynameiznate — Freedom Has A Price
Published: 2003-03-20 12:36:35 +0000 UTC; Views: 4849; Favourites: 93; Downloads: 465
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It saddens me that those who take this freedom for granted rarely have to pay, and that those who treasure it have to pay the ultimate price.Hide behind your ideals. The rest of us will fight so that you wont be killed for holding them.
And one last thought:
"people rowing the boat rarely have time to rock it."
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piece is well made, though your motive is crap.
+fav (it's not about the motive 
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wow i came here to comment on the image (which mind you is TOTALLY AWESOME) but i couldnt help myself in reading some of the comments here. And while most have good points. the one that disturbed me was how someone said something about innocent iraqi children. OMG thats a joke. Has anyone seen the in newspapers about how these " innocent children" are taught from a very young age to become future terrorists? I mean i have in plain print how these kids walk around with gunz. They may act innocent but their roots are planted in terrorist soil. I do not believe that President Bush should have attacked the way he did. But our soldiers are out there reguardless and it is kill or be killed. How are they to know who is innocent or not. These people are sneeky and damn right CRAZY - They kill themselves and others all in the name of "god".
Im NOT fond of how the american government works but our people are over there and there is nothing we can do about it but try and stay alive. Saddam needed to be taken out - he is a danger to his own people and to other countries. Did you also happen to catcha glimpse of when he was first taken out and the people got some freedom back - how they HAILED our soldiers. War is War and their will ALWAYS be casualities..
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ok first things first. I am an American. I state here and now Americans are stupid. The government is idiodic. does anyone realize that hey who put Saddam in power originally? we did.
who put Fidel Castro in power? we did.
we are idiots that think imperialism is fun. My thoughts on the war are mixed. I hate the fact that we are in war but i support the troops fighting because currently they are fighting for all the others that have died whether they be american Iraqui or some other race.
Bush wants oil. I say lets have his. he owns an oil field down in Texas. lets have his.
now as for threatening nations lets name a few shall we? : North Korea (hello?), Russia (whether you want to believe me or not. They still have the technology to destroy us and the world), Japan (love em I really do but still technology folks), China (communisn still in power there. love em but come on people)
man people can be really ignornat some times. there are people every where that are a danger to the rest of the world. why dont we take on Korea? oh too afraid. they would win.
in Vitnam we lost. yes America, the great and powerful America lost. and ya know why? because they Vitnamese had the advantage of knowing how to fight in that type of terrain. back then americans were Harvard bastards and West Point captains. They joined the war because the Vitnamese were "bad things" communists. Fuck that.
WWII hitler =a bastard. we attacked so many people in that war. War is destined to destroy the world. we came close then and in the cold war and in every single war ever waged in history.
look in all Americans = idiots. its just something implanted in all government leaders. its the hard truth. i know that people will flame me and spam me for this. go ahead. im ready. but just remember that if there hadnt been war we ould not be free possibly not even here today.
-Chase
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The armed forces of the united states deserve no support or admiration from anyone. Since 9/11 they have murder three times as many citizens as were murdered on 9/11. Yes freedom has a price its just a shame the soldiers arent all summarily shot. I would like that price alot better than innocent Iraqi children. Attempt to rationalize what you do anyway you want but Americas soldiers are nothing but mindless Bush drones and cold blooded killers. They havent defended an Americans freedom since the revolutionary war.
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I usually try to keep my idiocy intake low, and my idiocy response level low, but since you raised one, it seems Ill have to raise the other.
Cold blooded killers? Yeah, I heard about all those random Iraqi children shootings that soldiers do just for the heck of it.
All soldiers should be summarily shot, hmm? So I guess its not killing in general your opposed to, just killing Iraqi's. Killing American soldiers is A-OK in your book.
"They havent defended an Americans freedom since the revolutionary war".
I guess WW2 was all a waste too, hmm?
Im sorry, but if this is the type of crap you feel like spouting, do it elsewhere. I personally dont want to read it.
Go bother someone else with your whiny self-assuaging ranting. I dont want to hear from an armchair revolutionary about how bad life is in Iraq while living comfortably in the suburbs.
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Why should I need to focus on typos when the "logic" of your argument, and your outlandish remarks provide more than enough fodder for an attack.
A benign country? What world are you living in? Benign? Its not like we invaded New Guinea, or anything. We overthrew Sadaam Hussein. Why? Because of various reasons.
At this point, I dont know if he does or does not have WOMDs, but even if he doesnt, the man was incredibly dangerous, and could have generated them within the next few years.
Of course, no doubt after Hitler invaded Poland, you would have stuck up for the guy, and said he was a benign leader...
As for your other remarks, do you realize how moronic it sounds to say that Bush attacked Iraq because of a grudge?
You are making two very basic assumptions: one, that the man is one of the most evil men to ever hold political power in the world, and two, that he is a genius without par, for he convinced Congress, much of the American people, and Britains government to all help him.
Why dont we go fight a country that is a threat to us? Well, perhaps your understanding of the way our world works is a bit uninformed, but our government does things you and I will most likely never hear about, in order to secure a stable world stage.
That includes numerous cover op missions, numerous rebel uprisings, etc.
We arent going to attack a country as insane as N. Korea head on, without first seeing what our options are.
Iraq has been giving us the finger for years. But wait, they are so benign. Like little lambs. Bah.
But wait, I forgot, because you read the same news as the rest of us, and some backwater conspiracy theorist articles, you know more than the rest of us, right?
Did you ever stop to think that perhaps you have NO idea about whats going on?
Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the NSA, the CIA, the NRO, the many other powerful intel organizations in this country might have a bit more information than you?
Or do you think your hobbyist theorizing actually carries all the truth to it?
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"American soldiers are innocents"
Ofcourse I meant to add a 'not' in there. Please use this and any other typos to berate me instead of focusing on the substance of my argument.
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No I am against killing innocents. American soldiers are innocents. Iraqi civilians are. I never bitched when America went and [atleast I thought they were going to] got the taliban because we had evidence that they attacked us. Iraq did no such thing. We have attacked them constantly for a decade but they havent attacked us. Iraq is a war the George W Bush has been planning since his father failed to get Saddam in the early 90s. The sweet joke is he failed too ! I guess one of the twins will have to be elected president in 20 or 30 years to have another go. Or maybe Jeb. If you jerk offs feel like fighting someone why dont you go fight a real threat to America ? Like N. Korea ? Or Saudi Arabia ? Or Iran ? No you and your great leader chose a benign country who DID NOT HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION to attack simply because they were setting on about a trillion barrels of petroleum and because the Bush family has a personal grudge against Saddam ever since HW failed to get him in Desert Storm.
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in a context:
in order to protect martin luther king or john f. kennedy, i definitely would have tried to kill their assassins.
those who do not want peace are willing to kill for what they want. those who want peace need to be willing to defend it, or in our comfortable case, pay soldiers to do it.
i think if everyone watched straw dogs and drew parallels to international conflicts, this would all make much more sense.
sometimes you don't have to bring the hatchet. some times the hatchet is brought to you. and sometimes the person with that hatchet isn't gonna care whether you've got one or not.
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Many do not understand the laws of the universe yet. The biggest truism in nature, is that everything is predatory. Just look around you... even the insects crawling outside your door. We are just temporary sparks before God kills us. Everything dies. The... is indescriminate.
This piece is a powerful statement that I am proud to agree with. New fave. The secret behind the US is we have never had illusions about what war implicates. The country is corrupt, but we have the freedom here to fix it... or at least try. The rabbit hole can only go so deep... or maybe the conspiracies are all true! Either way, this country is so F^%ing entertaining and exciting! GOD BLESS THE USA!
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Bush is doing what Gore probably would do if he took office. this is what had to be done. people can't take real life anymore. i personally like having two parties fighting for whats best for the country.
anywho. this peace is beyond all. patriotism seems to have a lost over the years. i miss it. whatever happened to hope and not abusing freedom. this is truely worthy of everything.
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Well, velns666 says...
"those hippy assheads running around with nothing to do screaming that war is bad don't seem to realize that without war they'd either be dead or speaking German. Go home and smoke your weed and shut up about issues you know nothing about."
Strange how easily all of you uber-patriot, bush-loving folk seem to forget that without the help of the French in your little war of independence, you'd still be an English colony.
And come on, you guys talking about how people fought and died for the rights that you enjoy like freedom of speech, and you now insist that anyone who uses that right to express their feelings about this war hates America!
Get it together guys!
Note: And if Bush is all about freedom from tyranny, how come he only seems interested in the Middle-East? Couldn't you guys do something about Robert Mugabe trying to kill all of the white people in Zimbabwe? He throws them off the land that they bought and then has them arrested if the try to collect any of their belongings to take with them...
And how about Kim Jong Il in North Korea? Recently reporters found that there's so little food in that country that the people eat grass off the hillsides...
Oh! Now I remember! There's no oil in Africa or Korea! Silly me.
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the question is not to choose between Bush or Saddam
war is not a solution and that's all
and don't forget ho armed Saddam few years ago . I recommend you to read Noam Chomsky ( and son't see the CNN )
pardon my english .
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you are completely correct....freedom does have a price....but it saddens me everyday that people think that the price is the lives of people overseas....we are destroying posse comitatus for the sake of safety, not freedom....we are tapping phones and having secret investigations for the sake of safety, not freedom....we are exercising prior restraint on people within the country and outside it for the sake of safety, not freedom....i hope the people of this country to have to pay a price for their freedom, when they engage in glorious rebellion against a government that has traded away some of the people's freedoms for the feeling of safety....as thomas jefferson once said, those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither....
with liberty and justice for all....someday,
-easy
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It saddens me that Bush is taking away our freedoms while at the same time going to war in the name of freedom. I wish people would really stop attributing this war to our "freedom". Hussein was such a threat, that's why the U.S. military took the whole country over in about a month... This has nothing to do with freedom. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would tell you the same. I like the artwork of it, it's very well done, but I don't like to see our flag used as a rag to clean up the blood of innocent citizens killed in our name.
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reasons for my vote:
1. i'v enever experienced war and i never want to.
2. i've been living in the states for a year and all americans ive spent time with were caring, welcoming and friendly people - this makes it even harder for me to understand, why they are so f***ing stupid at times!
3. why start a war against iraqa now? in 1991 american troops were 80 miles away from bagdad and just turned around saying - the war is over, let's reimpose saddam. what wollowed were 12 years of economical and social harassment against the iraqi population mostly by US-embargoes.
4. you feel sorry for the people that died at 9/11? tell you what: how many people were killed by fat boy and little man (the two nuclear bombs dropped on nagasaki and hiroshima)? how many civilians were killed in numerous civil wars in south america ignited through US-politics? how many iranians and curds were killed by iraqis using american weapons-technology? how many vietnamese children still get killed through agent orange used in the vietnam war?
5. freedom is not free!!!
use your brain and not your trigger finger - it might help sometimes!
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I rather like this. It makes me think of this poem that I'm sure you all have heard by now:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier who salutes the flag,
who serves under the flag and
whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag."
- Father Dennis Edward O'brien, Sergeant, USMarinecorps
I don't want to bore this thread with commentary that doesn't really pertain to the art its self, so I'll just say I agree
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oh, not just ours...even some of the freedoms in other countrys...
~shakes head in disgust
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a powerful statement here...and very well made. The symbolism of the blood on the flag leaves me almost speechless. I wish more could appreciate the price paid throughout history for the freedoms we have... It is sadly remarkable how many take those freedoms for granted.
Great job here
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its great that people will give you a "dislike deviont" just cuz they don't like your message. I mean this is an ART site and you did some great art +fav
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Oh, absolutely, freedom has a price.
If only this war was fought for freedom -- anyone's freedom.
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Very nice job on the deviation...
As for people arguing, if you don't agree with each others opinions, state your own, but please don't put down other people's thoughts in return. Name calling isn't at all constructive and if you really care to be taken seriously, don't do it. Arg.
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I like the expression of it all combined [picture and text].
I would've loved it even more if it weren't for the fact that I'm not pro-US or pro-war.
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the manip is fantastic. Very well done..
As for all those who commented, some of you are outrageous.. not a single one of you, NOT ONE, would be able to freely give his opinion right now, nor have access to the internet, if someone hadn't fought and died in the past for that right. some have to die for others to live.
"why should people have to die so others can be happy and free? thats ridiculous." are you high?? you wouldn't even be born in all probability if some people some 200 years ago didn't rise up and lose their lives for the sake of future generations. That statement is one of the most ignorant and disrespectful that I have ever had the misfortune to see.
those hippy assheads running around with nothing to do screaming that war is bad don't seem to realize that without war they'd either be dead or speaking German. Go home and smoke your weed and shut up about issues you know nothing about.
When corporations are gov'ts, every war is a business venture, and you don't have to like Bush or that fact, but the truth is I am an American, my children will be Americans, I'm the "consumer" here and I care about myself and my family so screw everyone and anyone else in the world if that's what it takes.
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i really like you nate lol, you have a good way of getting your feelings across without having to say much at all, and it really gets people goin. But ignorance and stupidity, as someone else stated, are very abundant here with some of people responses to this. *sigh* I'm not even gonna try to argue with people on here. But good piece.
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What I find ironic, is that the blood on the flag is redundant. Perhaps you have forgotten that the red stripes stand for the blood that was shed and lost by men generations ago so that you can be free.
On a side note, I am continually amazed by the amount of people at devart who have loud voices and open mouths, but who offer no *reason* for their words. To all those who say things like, "you can't be a patriot and support Bush" - why don't you offer some reasons, evidence, logic, SOMETHING to back up your never ending diatribe?
The amount of anti-Americanism on this site, which is largely run by Americans, is amazing. But what's worse is that the anti-Americans, the anti-war people, the seemingly ignorant children spouting off (and the people who are all three of these), never put any thought into their propaganda. It's all just mindless noise.
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I think you did an amazing job and it's so true. +++++
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I'm tired of participating in war/government-related debates. So rather than doing so, I'll just say I really like this piece. I was about to say 'well executed', but that'd be quite inappropriate for the subject.
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Dear God...great idea...absolutely
what an expression..love it..although it's sad in fact..
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The message is perfect, as well as the artwork. I could go on and on about my opinion, but I won't. I'll probably just get all corked up and not be able to take a crud for another week. Besides, all I need to say is that I this.
Keep up the fantastic work, along with spreading the truth.
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oh ya, if you're wondering about the white band on my icon, it means peace.
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excellent point made. I'm nither Pro nor Anti, but well done. It's funny how Antiwar demonstrators whine about their freedom of speech, but forget how we got it in the first place, 200 yrs. ago.
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this is wonderful. not only is the piece very well made (the blood is very dramatic and i really like the lettering at the bottom), but i love the message and that last quote. i think two of my favorite patriotic quotes go well with this picture too:
"these are the times that try men's souls. the summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."
-thomas paine
"those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-thomas paine
great work
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And one last thought:
"people rowing the boat rarely have time to rock it."
GREAT JOB... I love it
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You already know where I stand on all of this. I think this pretty accurately conveys the way you view the situation. Your frustration with those who protest and speak out against this war is perfectly understandable. Freedom does indeed have a horrible bloody cost.
Artistically I think this piece is very well put together. Probably one of the better uses of the stars and stripes I've seen in ages. The brush work is great but you excel with the typography in this one. Cheers man!
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Great work. I love what this stands for.
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Pro Bush.
Pro War.
Anti France.
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your work proves a valid point. i like the feel the piece has.
however i disagree, as you can see in the note ive sent. im not against defence, im against un-needed agression.
either way, we need to support those who are fighting, they follow orders, they dont make them. they put their lives on the line regardless of what they morally feel.
i apologize for all the people here like angeliceva who really havnt researched their facts.... in fact thousands of protestors did move to iraq with project human shield....and also like blender whos comments have no merit either.
both sides have complete idiots, like the people in their trailors who want a war cause "dem towelheads suck!" and the people who march in anti war protests and say they government sucks merely because they dont like the idea of fighting a war or want to express their youth angst. im just as frustated with ignorant pacifists and anti-war protestors as i am with ignorant pro-war subjects.
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Aesthetically pleasing, if a bit nauseating. If not for your description, however, I'd be left wondering whether this piece is for or against war. To me, it certainly is powerful and blatantly horrific, and makes me want to gather all my military friends into a tight hug and not let them go. I think it's sad that you've misinterpreted those of us who -are- opposed to the war. It's not that we don't appreciate the sacrifices our troops are making. It's just that we also mourn the needless bloodshed that's being forced upon them by our blissfully ignorant leaders. Dubya doesn't know a thing about actual war (he went AWOL when he was a young'un, after all). However, I digress. I'm sure you couldn't care less about my crazy liberal opinions. To me, your art is a beautiful reminder of why I have to keep fighting my own battle against this war, for the safety of the real people involved.
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very nice piece.
yeah, saddam was really a threat to the US thats why he is just folding as we roll through iraq. if you think the US is occupying iraq to liberate the people, you are a f*cking idiot. that is just a side effect. the whole world is against us now. we had the world's sympathy and backing after 911 but bush destroyed that. and the media is just as guilty. they spread his lies and rhetoric.
we are occupying an islamic country. you just wait and see what the side effects of that are.
how can we just violate international law like this? the govt even admitted that there is no evidence linking saddam to 911. why the invasion? hmmmm...
there are much worse people in the world than saddam. do you know how many ruthless dictators and civil wars there are in africa? we do nothing because there is no interest to the US there.
think about it.
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Its about damn time people around here actually show signs of intellect. My gosh.. if these anti-war supporters had the balls, I would have dared them to move to Iraq and see if they could speak their mind without getting killed. (of coarse its too late now since the war began.. lucky them) They obviously dont understand whats really going on-- probably watching too many opinionative talk shows and not enough factual news.
Great piece, strong and true words-- you are an honest and true American.
Why it is these Bush-bashers and Peace-lovers ignore the facts yet still try to speak their mind is beyond me.
On another note: lovely art, very patriotic and soulful to boot. I love the effects used to create the splattered blood.
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very well done. i reallly like this peice. good stuff good message
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Nate. Lovely.
Ahh yesh, there's people who don't agree because understanding doesn't come easily, always have... always will
keep on preachin
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well,
actually don't want to put my own opinion here. But I like you did with this work. This is the point which makes me more than confused. People express, demonstrate, threaten and much more to get attention to what they want and find important to care for. I hardly see it recognized - actually never.
the price is high, for us all but highest for those who live there and have no choice - no chance to flee. They sit and wait, depending on young soldiers who try to be precise in their work. But we all know that mistakes are human ...
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Quite good, and i agree with the idea, sadly the price is high...... As for all the pro peace anti bush anti johnny people calling you and others ignorant or narrow minded are probably a little too short sighted.... i commend you for your work, and agree whole heartedly with you
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It's about time someone with some sense put up some political art. Great piece, great description, thank you. +fav
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