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Assalaamu alaikum [peace be to you],I got the idea to make this drawing after I saw this [link]
here, I'd like to share this article with you. it's not written by a Muslim, that's why the prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- is not addressed with the respectful expression "peace be upon him". but I think this article would be interesting for my non-Muslims friends that's why I am sharing it:
In a Gainesville Sun article of August 26, Pastor Terry Jones stated that he has never read the Quran he will burn. Speaking as a Christian pastor, a college instructor, and a patriotic American, I find this unfortunate.
Muslims make up 20 percent of the world's population. In today's world, gaining a basic knowledge of Islam is both good common sense and an act of responsible citizenship.
So let's say you're a non-Muslim and you've decided to open that Quran before reaching for the lighter fluid. What now?
Be sure to read a modern translation.
I'd recommend "The Qur'an: A New Translation," by M. A. S. Abdel Haleem (Oxford World's Classics, 2004). It's inexpensive and packed with helpful footnotes.
Adjust your expectations.
Unlike the Christian Bible, the Quran doesn't begin with Creation and end with the Last Judgment. Instead, the Quran contains a series of spiritual messages which comment on, and offer guidance for, situations in the life of Muhammad.
Bible-readers should expect the Quran to look rather like a book of prophecy; in which God comments on ancient politics and offers guidance to leaders like Isaiah and Jeremiah.
Non-Bible readers might find an analogy in '60s protest music! For example, the Neil Young song "Ohio" comments on the Kent State shootings of 1970, and offers guidance to American youth. In both biblical books of prophecy and '60s protest songs, current events are often alluded to indirectly rather than described in detail. It's the same with the Quran: Its messages comment on situations which are often only hinted at.
Use a biography of Muhammad.
Since the messages in the Quran comment on very specific situations, understanding these is essential to understanding the Quran. So along with that up-to-date Quran translation, get a recent biography of Muhammad...
Jews and Christians may find parallels between Muhammad and Israel's King David. Both grew up as shepherds and later became remarkable leaders of their people: religious, political, military.
Start reading at the back of the book.
Now that you've got a biography of Muhammad handy, you're ready for the Quran. Start at page one? Hardly.
The chapters in the Quran aren't laid out chronologically. Instead, the chapters are arranged by length: Longest to shortest.
Bible-readers might be reminded of the letters of St. Paul. In the New Testament, Paul's letter to the Romans comes first. That's not because Paul wrote it first, but simply because it's his longest letter. The Quran works the same way.
The first messages Muhammad shared with the world were very short. So as a rule, you'll find the earliest, simplest messages at the back of the Quran, not the front!
Get to know your Muslim neighbors.
The Quran isn't just words on a page, it shapes people's lives. Find out how by checking out local interfaith groups like the Silk Road Club... The club sponsors panel discussions with Jewish, Christian and Muslim speakers, and family-oriented events like a picnic.
A basic knowledge of Islam and the Quran can illuminate past history, current events and what the future may hold. Looks like reading a Quran produces more light than burning one.
Goodness gracious, great balls of fire!
By Josh Braley, Published: Sunday, September 5, 2010 [link]
Josh Braley teaches at Santa Fe College and is the pastor of Bethlehem Presbyterian Church in Archer.
I hope that was beneficial
Wassalaamu alaikum.
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There is no compulsion for those that are not muslim, but those who are muslims and leave, are to be killed.
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When it says theres no compulsion in religion, that goes for EVERYONE, whether you're a muslim or not. If a muslim choose to leave Islam, then he or she has the right to do so if thats what they WILLS and of course if they leave in peace without fighting or betraying muslims and Islam.Because it doesn't make sence ot force anyone back to faith or force them to believe because this is a personal matter between the muslim(ex muslim) and Allah(swt).Also there's is no evidence to show that Prophet Muhammad saw or his Companions ever compelled anyone to embrace Islam, nor did they sentence anyone to death solely for renunciation of the faith.
Islam began by inviting and persuading people to embrace it on the merit of its rationality and truth. In Surah Yunus, 10:99, a verse revealed in Mecca at the advent of Islam, Allah says: "Had your Lord willed, everyone on earth would have believed. Do you then force people to become believers?" This and verse 2:256, together with the norm of Shari'a which affirms freedom of religion, have led many Muslim countries today to include in its Constitution an article on freedom of religion as a fundamental right.
In his book, "The Punishment for Apostasy in Islam", the former Chief Justice of Pakistan, SA Rahman, noted that even though the subject of apostasy occurred no less than 20 times in the Qur'an, the Holy Book remained silent on death as a punishment. Surah An-Nisa', 4:137-138, state that "Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path. Give to the hypocrites the tidings that there is for them a painful torment." If indeed it was Allah's intention to impose the death penalty for apostasy, then such occasion of repeated apostasy could have provoked such a punishment. But neither the first instance of apostasy, nor repeated apostasy brought about capital punishment.
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"there's is no evidence to show that Prophet Muhammad saw or his Companions ever compelled anyone to embrace Islam"
They invaded other nations and made non Muslims pay al jiziah. (Religious tax)
"on the merit of its rationality and truth."
You mean seeing angels in solitude and having no evidence to show for it?
"freedom of religion as a fundamental right."
Freedom of religion is secular and was never influenced by the quran. The verse you mentioned is cool, but it contradicts other verses i quoted. Some times the quran is okay with apostates and sometimes it says kill them.
"If indeed it was Allah's intention to impose the death penalty for apostasy"
Then how do you explain riddah wars?
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they did no invade, they were on war against these nations(or tribes to say). In their society non muslims paid jizziah so that amount can go to the poor and needy, and other things that helps the society(pretty much the same we have here in Western world were we HAVE to pay tax or "jiziah" for that matter.NOT only that, as they pay, the muslism are OBLIGED to DEFEND the monarchies, synagoges and church, and no non muslim have the obligation to go in war against the invaders.
Freedom of religion is secular and was never influenced by the quran. The verse you mentioned is cool, but it contradicts other verses i quoted. Some times the quran is okay with apostates and sometimes it says kill them
Of course its in Qu'ran if you actually read it that is. Please do prove me anywhere in Qu'ran that says theres no freedom of religion, I challenge you.
There are some parts where some apostates got killed and some not, well you have to make a distincion on who's the aggressor and who's not, and like I said and explained, there are two different type of apostates. You need to look at the text, contextual and intextual and try understand that there's a contex of each every verse.
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But the Jizziah was only for non Muslims, that is intolerance towards other religions. its not acceptable even if the money goes to the poor and needy. Either everyone pays or no one pays. Today's tax is for all, not just Christians, Muslims or Jews..etc.
Jizziah is bigotry.
" Please do prove me anywhere in Qu'ran that says theres no freedom of religion, I challenge you."
Maybe not the quran.... but Bukhari:V4 B52 N260; "The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'"
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can you argue with Sharia?
its clear!
so much for freedom of religion lol.
"and try understand that there's a contex of each every verse."
Sharia law says that apostates are to be killed.
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lol do you ever read the context of everything you look at. not ALL non muslims needed to pay jizyah, there are women, eldery, children and sick and even poor non muslims who did not even need to pay jizyah but at that time there were christains and jewish men who had money and good fortune unlike others,they had to pay in order to help others to build and help other people. Do not only think that non muslims had to pay for the state, muslims too because of Zakah if you have not noticed, it is something that we HAVE to pay in order to help the needy and poor.
You have to look deeper in that hadith, whats the motivation, whats the situation, whats the purpose, those are the things you completely left out, and at the same time you dont deal it with honest interpretation, such as contextual and inter textual.
No again, NO WHERE in the Qu'ran declares death at apostates, and like I told you again there are different type of apostates, one cannot simply kill a person just because he or she choose with FREE WILL to leave Islam ,and therefor it is NOONE of our business, AGAIN, you need to study the soscio and politcal issue that i nthe Islamic period, you seem to leave out alot of things when you take a verse, it is exactly the same method islamphobe use to distort the light, which is Islam.
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Jiziah is still extortion even if it targets some people, and actually it targeted a lot of them. not just a few like you claim.
"Do not only think that non muslims had to pay for the state"
But muslims didnt pay extra Jiziah like non muslims. Extorting extra money from non muslims is extortion and infringes on their freedom of religion.
"muslims too because of Zakah if you have not noticed, it is something that we HAVE to pay in order to help the needy and poor."
Zakah is not enforced by the state, its something that has to do with muslim's own beliefs, the are required by "god" to pay it to help the needy, but the government does not enforce it. The jiziah was enforced by the state!
"You have to look deeper in that hadith, whats the motivation, whats the situation, whats the purpose, those are the things you completely left out"
I already did!!! no "purpose" would justify extorting jews and Christians just because they dont subscribe to the official religion held by the state. No "context" would justify enforcing such laws. Muhammed was simply in the wrong.
"No again, NO WHERE in the Qu'ran declares death at apostates"
Hadith has some of those, do you muslims ignore bukhari or what?
"and therefor it is NOONE of our business"
But that is not what muhammed said in hadith, he said kill them. it is clear. Ignoring it doesnt make it go away.
"you seem to leave out alot of things when you take a verse"
AGAIN, you dont understand that under no circumstances will it be moral to enforce jiziah or kill apostates! (its in hadith)
"the light, which is Islam."
A 7th century religion started by a man who pretended to see an angel in a cave and then made up verses that states women are half of a man, is not light. It is darkness. Bronze age Ignorant darkness. It's evident in the teachings of Islam.
But you just like to see the good bits and practice apologetics on the bad bits.
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Zakah is not enforced by the state, its something that has to do with muslim's own beliefs, the are required by "god" to pay it to help the needy, but the government does not enforce it. The jiziah was enforced by the state!
Look at the 5 Islamic pillar, it is an OBLIGATION, and O-B-L-I-G-A-T-I-O-N, its not something from the government, its not a volunter act, its an obligation I repeat, look it up. Again jizyah is something they had to pay, since they were buliding churches and synagoges, and protection from the muslim state. ote at that time, the muslim people were in constant war with the pagans, so help and charity from christains and jews was necessary to help them protecting the city and people within.
I already did!!! no "purpose" would justify extorting jews and Christians just because they dont subscribe to the official religion held by the state. No "context" would justify enforcing such laws. Muhammed was simply in the wrong.
And sadly you still dont look at the socio and political context like I suggested earlier. If you really gonna make an honest research, then you have to look at the circumstances in that time. note again that all the verses in the Qu'ran that speaks about chrisitans and jews are NOT general statement, again look into the tafsir.I told you, there were peaceful and tolerant christains and jews who remained true and devoted to their faith, and they were no the arrogant people like the other groups of jews and christains, who only sought to destroy the muslim community, simply because of the jealousy and the grudge they held against them.
Hadith has some of those, do you muslims ignore bukhari or what?
I'm looking at the Qu'ran, the primary source of all sources, look it up from there!
But that is not what muhammed said in hadith, he said kill them. it is clear. Ignoring it doesnt make it go away.
Unfortunately I don't see any proof that Muhammed(pbuh) have declared that ALL apostates shall be killed, again look it up.I'm not ignoring hadiths at all, in fact I look at the continuation of the hadith, and I suggest you stick to that as well.
AGAIN, you dont understand that under no circumstances will it be moral to enforce jiziah or kill apostates! (its in hadith)
Look at the types of apostates, there were two different groups of apostates, one that has a peaceful intention to leave Islam and the other group wanted to betray the muslims and the community in Medinah,they are the people who only sought to destroy muslims and they therefor joined the tribes and the people of Quaryish in Mecca! again if you want to do an honest research, look at the wholeness instead of taking a simple verse or hadith and leaving the rest of the story, I often see that very much from your side...
A 7th century religion started by a man who pretended to see an angel in a cave and then made up verses that states women are half of a man, is not light. It is darkness. Bronze age Ignorant darkness. It's evident in the teachings of Islam.
Clearly you have a grudge on Islam, and I can tell from your poor research and from this easy refutable statement and clearly you have a serious case of "copy and paste syndrome"(many islamphobes are having trouble with that), perhaps better research within Tafsir exergesis will help you to understand the circumstances at that time better, and therefor be honest in research, not simply distorting the light of Islam with darkness.
May Allah guide you inshallah
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"the muslim people were in constant war with the pagans, so help and charity from christains and jews was necessary to help them protecting the city and people within."
That's not an excuse. It was STILL discrimination. If it was to protect society as a whole then Muslims too should have paid extra.
The Jiziah only existed to annoy non believers so that they might consider joining Islam just to stop paying extra!
"And sadly you still dont look at the socio and political context like I suggested earlier. "
No context will ever justifies singling out people based on religion and making them pay extra! I keep repeating my self!
"simply because of the jealousy and the grudge they held against them."
You were brain washed to think that. You're prophet is the one that started it. he is the one that wanted to take over the place and infringed on their land. Example: Egypt.
"I'm looking at the Qu'ran, the primary source of all sources, look it up from there!"
The sharia is built on both the Quran and Hadith. If you ignore what is in hadith then you are being intentionally dishonest.
"Unfortunately I don't see any proof that Muhammed(pbuh) have declared that ALL apostates shall be killed"
I literally quoted bukhari for you yet you still ignore it.
"I'm not ignoring hadiths at all, in fact I look at the continuation of the hadith, and I suggest you stick to that as well."
I did and it said kill apostates.
"the other group wanted to betray the muslims and the community in Medinah,they are the people who only sought to destroy muslims "
The Muslims deserved it because they wanted to take over their land, your dear muhammed was a war lord who wanted to create a totalitarian muslim nation that spans several countries. He had it coming, the people faught for their land against muslims.
If someone invaded your country, will you be fine with it? or will you seek to destroy them if they dont go away?
"Clearly you have a grudge on Islam"
Because it has immoral teachings. I have a grudge against illogicality.
" perhaps better research within Tafsir exergesis will help you to understand the circumstances at that time better"
AGAIN, no circumstance will justify invading other nations to "spread the religion of god". He should have stayed in saudi arabia in his little village. Waging war that spans an great extent that it even reaches europe is NEVER justified, even if he thought he had god on his side.
"May Allah guide you inshallah"
Your ever absent god is irrelevant. What muhammed made up is not "guidance", it is ignorance. I will steer clear of that madness.
Now go pray to the sky. I will never.
We are done here.
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That's not an excuse. It was STILL discrimination. If it was to protect society as a whole then Muslims too should have paid extra.
I told you, they paid ZAKAH!, it is something that muslims HAVE to pay, you completely overlook this!If you want to talk about injustice, what about the people who are poor in the society today, we have rich people and poor people thanks to the capitalism, capitalism is a fail in todays world, precicely because of this huge difference between rich and poor. Non muslims who were rich back at the time(note, jizyah was not obliged to be payed by elderly, women,children, orphans, sick etc) only to those who are capable to pay.
You were brain washed to think that. You're prophet is the one that started it. he is the one that wanted to take over the place and infringed on their land. Example: Egypt.
Oh Dear you're out of your mind, prophet Muhammed(pbuh) have never any intention to take over any places. He's only mission was to give message to people, not taking over. Even people from the Quarisyh offered Muhammed(pbuh) kingdom, land, money and richness during the dead bed at Abu Talib(prophets uncle), Prophet rejected the offer. there are numerous of verses that points that Muhammed(pbuh) never wanted to be king, money or fortune, because money such as jizyah and zakah are used to pay for the poor and needy, thats JUSTICE for you!
The sharia is built on both the Quran and Hadith. If you ignore what is in hadith then you are being intentionally dishonest.
Like many islamphobes, you are ignoring the context of hadith, please reveal the rest of it dont just simply cherry pick your flavor.
I did and it said kill apostates.
Please reveal the full story.
The Muslims deserved it because they wanted to take over their land, your dear muhammed was a war lord who wanted to create a totalitarian muslim nation that spans several countries. He had it coming, the people faught for their land against muslims.
Oh come on, please dont tell me that muslims started the whole thing, the people from Meca, and other tribes started FIRST! Pleae show ANY proof that Muhammed(pbuh) started FIRST, look at the full picture, don't just insult!
f someone invaded your country, will you be fine with it? or will you seek to destroy them if they dont go away?
No, but whats not great is when you only wish to pray to One God and you worship One God PEACEFULLY, and at that time, you are getting persecuted, tortured, harassed, driven out of home, boycotted, bayonetted and killed, and veen when you continue to leave peacefully oputside Mecca, the enemy STILL are looking out to destroy you, then thats NOT GOOD.
Because it has immoral teachings. I have a grudge against illogicality.
You my friend, is illogical -_-
AGAIN, no circumstance will justify invading other nations to "spread the religion of god". He should have stayed in saudi arabia in his little village. Waging war that spans an great extent that it even reaches europe is NEVER justified, even if he thought he had god on his side.
This whole situation HAPPENED in Saudi Arabia XD!!! Like I said, there were tribed,including Quarisyh who came into alliance to DESTROY and DEMOLISH muslims, read the biography of Muhammed(pbuh) "the Sealed Nectar" and you'll see the FULL story and the one who started FIRST!
Your ever absent god is irrelevant. What muhammed made up is not "guidance", it is ignorance. I will steer clear of that madness.
Now go pray to the sky. I will never.
Sure, do whatever you like, and I'll do whatever I like, but I sincerely hope that God will remove Shaytan from your heart and may your empty head be filled with honest and good knowledge inshallah. You can do whatever you like, but know that when your time comes to and end in this life, no one will protect you..
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"He's only mission was to give message to people, not taking over."
Its called the Islamic Ummah (Pan-Islamism). He did take over countries and RULE THEM. You are so uneducated.
"Like many islamphobes, you are ignoring the context of hadith, "
AGAIN, no context is Jiziah considered moral. It is religious discrimination.
"Oh come on, please dont tell me that muslims started the whole thing"
THEY DID. Muhammad started his religion! He made it up. the others didnt want it! he should have just stayed home!!! No one told him to "spread the word"
" the enemy STILL are looking out to destroy you, then thats NOT GOOD."
THAT is because he wanted to return and take over mecca, and he did!! they did persecute him, but he should have left and never returned! and later he wanted to take over the other tribes and then countries!
They were wrong to attack him for having a different religion (that he made up), but he too had no right to go back and "spread the word" by conquering them! He should have just acted in defense, but he also attacked and CONQUERED nations.
"You my friend, is illogical -_-"
and you believing a 7th century merchant saw an angel in SOLITUDE actually happened, and you call me illogical. haha good one.
"This whole situation HAPPENED in Saudi Arabia XD!!!"
You have no idea what you are talking about, Muhammed was an islamic Khalifa that took over countries and even reached europe. His friends later continued his work after his death. It was a conquest.
SEE THIS [link] this is the greatest extent of the Islamic state. Educate your self about your religion.
"you'll see the FULL story and the one who started FIRST!"
THEY DID, but they started the teasing and persecution. NOT the war. When he left to Madinah he later returned and took over Mecca. (peacefully, yes). but he DID take over, and other countries were invaded not so peacefully. Heck, even the neighboring tribes had a horrible time! Like Banu Qurayza.
"I sincerely hope that God will remove Shaytan from your heart "
hahahaha shaytan? hahahhaha you believe in that superstitious nonsense? so ridiculous, what century is this where you use the internet yet believe in demons! xD
"may your empty head be filled with honest and good knowledge inshallah."
good knowledge like Anti-Semiteism and Misogyny. No thanks, i'd rather have an empty head.
"You can do whatever you like, but know that when your time comes to and end in this life, no one will protect you.."
But you know that when you die, nothing happens.
You cease to exist and your consciousness vanishes, believe in a magical garden as hard as you like, but that will never happen.
Now let us end this, no one is changing the mind of the other.
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Its called the Islamic Ummah (Pan-Islamism). He did take over countries and RULE THEM. You are so uneducated
You sir are infact the uneducated one. Do you even know what Ummah literally means? You know when he was offered kingdom, money and wealth by Quarisyh, simply so he can stop preaching Islam(which is nothing else but word, NO swords or fist fight btw!!)he rejected them all, even though he had his chance to become much powerful, but he choose the difficult path, where he kept praching PEACEFULLY without even tryong to go into onfilt with the pagans. From the time early muslims followed him, this threatned the business affairs among pagans, because of the words that speaks of One God, they couldn't stand it!They therefor initated the harassement at prophet, where som of them even tried to put a stone on his neck, putting his feet over his neck while he was in praying position, he was thrown stuff at him and his beloved daughter Fatima (ra) even plucked the dirt they threw at him, simply because he was praying, how is this a threat to you?????When someone is praying and have no intention to harm and disturb the other pagans, the pagans are disturbed by the sight of it! His duty was also to simply warn the people against the punishment of Allah if they do not revert from their tyranny, deviation ans worship of other than Allah and associating others with Him, His Attributes, His Rights,and what He does(since pagans claim they followed Ibrahim(ya)teachings, however they did not), he also warned them to not be selfish and greedy in what they take and sell, because often the pagans used to be kindly to people merely for reward from them or some portion of benefit in this life. They were also unfair to poor and needy, oppressed women, black and etc. Simply because of these demands(which should be really understandable -_-), the Quarishites reacted to this and they wanted to make the life of the early muslims miserable and hard, yet you claim prophet(pbuh) started to make "violence" and "war" just simply he warned and preached about One True God, but here he never went into combat, threatned anyones life, or anything phsycial at all!even when muslims wanted to immigrate to Abyssina, no peace was for the early muslims, because the pagans kept coming after them and demanded them back, but the kin in Abyssinia(Ethppia)was just and kind, so he did not go with the pagans proposals.
Here's an interestning hadith that takes place where the Quarishites negotiate with Muhhammed(pbuh) about the matter of preaching:
Yazid b. Ziyad from Muhammad b. Ka'b al-Qurazi told me that he was told that Utba b. Rabi'a, who was the chief, said one day while he was sitting in the Quraysh assembly and the apostle was sitting in the mosque by himself, ?Why should I not go to Muhammad and make some proposals to him which if he accepts in part, we will give him whatever he wants, and he will leave us in peace?' This happened when Hamza had accepted Islam and they saw that the prophet's followers were increasing and multiplying. They thought it was a good idea, and Utba went and sat by the prophet and said, ?O my nephew, you are one of us as you know, of the noblest of the tribe and hold a worthy position in ancestry. You have come to your people with an important matter, dividing the community thereby and ridiculing their customs, and you have insulted their gods and their religion, and declared that their forefathers were unbelievers, so listen to me and I will make some suggestions, and perhaps you will be able to accept one of them.' The apostle agreed, and he went on, ?If what you want is money, we will gather for you out of our property so that you may be the richest of us; if you want honour, we will make you our chief so that no one can decide anything apart from you; if you want sovereignty, we will make you king, and if this ghost which comes to you, which you see, is such that you cannot get rid of him, we will find a physician for you, and exhaust our means in getting you cured of it', or words to that effect. The apostle listened patiently, and then said: ?Now listen to me, In the Name of God, the compassionate and merciful, H.M., a revelation from the compassionate, the merciful, a book whose verses are expounded as an Arabic Quran for a people who understand, as an announcement and warning, though most of them turn aside not listening and say, ?Our hearts are veiled from that to which you invite us.'''' Then the apostle continued to recite it to him. When Utba heard it from him, he listened attentively, putting his hands behind his back and leaning on them as he listened. Then the prophet ended at the prostration and prostrated himself, and said, ?You have heard what you have heard, Abu Al Walid; the rest remains with you.' When Utba returned to his companions they noticed that his expression had completely altered, and they asked him what happened. He said that he had heard words such as he had never heard before, which were neither poetry, spells, nor witchcraft. ?Take my advice and do as I do, leave this man entirely alone for, by God, the words which I have heard will be blazed abroad. If (other) Arabs kill him, others will have rid you of him; if he gets the better of the Arabs, his sovereignty will be your sovereignty, his power your power, and you will be prosperous through him.' They said, ?He has bewitched you with his tongue.' To which he answered, ?You have my opinion, you must do what you think fit.' (Alfred, Guillaume. The Life of Muhammad, A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasu Allah. Oxford University press, 2002. PP. 131-132)
So notice what the pagans did, they sent a representative to try and negotiate with the prophet Muhammad, they offered him power, money, and anything he wanted! If the Prophet Muhammad's goal was for all of these things then why didn't he accept it, it was mission accomplished if we are to believe the critics argument. The prophet Muhammad completely rejected the offer, and he rejected it in the most beautiful manner, by reciting the Quran, to show them that this is the truth, and the truth cannot be compromised for anything, and that it isn't about money or power, it's about salvation and bringing people back to the straight path of God.
AGAIN, no context is Jiziah considered moral. It is religious discrimination.
muslims had also their share to pay, and jizyah like I told you goes to the poor and needy, and also to build the society so that muslims, jews and christains can live in peace.The Muslims have to pay taxes (which is 2.5 percent of their annual income) under the name of "Zakah" to the "Muslim Financial Institute" or the "House of the Muslim Money" which all goes to provide welfare to the poor and the needy citizens; from both Muslims and non-Muslims. The poor and the needy (such as the Orphans, Widows and the disabled) from the Muslims are exempt from paying taxes.
The non-Muslims have to pay a varrying amount under the name of "Jizyah", depending on their situation, which is taxes that don't go to help poor and needy Muslims, but instead, it goes to the government to (1) Provide protection for them since they are a minority; (2) Provide means for them to practice their religions freely by building Temples or Churches for them.
THAT is because he wanted to return and take over mecca, and he did!! they did persecute him, but he should have left and never returned! and later he wanted to take over the other tribes and then countries!
He wanted to return obviously because htat was his and many early muslims home!!!And take over Mecca, in what way, please rephrase it a bit more(I cant wait to hear what that is XD), look and here you go on and on, like prohet(pbuh) is some tank that goes around the world, to take over countries, get real man. and also, they started the war FIRST, not muslims, or else it would not make sence if the verses they recived were speaking of DEFENSE and protection, and most importantly, FIGHTING OPPRESSION!
THEY DID, but they started the teasing and persecution. NOT the war.
Hehe come on, are you serious? You think what they did is harmless??, or do you think they just tickled the muslims til they laugh, NO SIR, they got persectued, harassed in the most miserable state then human could have went through, and many SUFFERED TORTURE, and to top it of, people were also KILLED, simply because they refused to believ in the Gods of Pagans!
When he left to Madinah he later returned and took over Mecca. (peacefully, yes). but he DID take over, and other countries were invaded not so peacefully. Heck, even the neighboring tribes had a horrible time! Like Banu Qurayza.
UUUhm lets see, we are talking about prophet Muhammed(pbuh) lifetime, not outside of Islam!!! What goes on after his death and the people who do things against his teachings and the commandments of God have no meaning for me, what doees matter is Qu'ran the Prophet(pbuh) sayings and doings, please stick on the same term here!Obviously, your main focus is politcal situation around the middle east, but note that even in Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) lifetime, there were no real Islamic state, because they themselves were in constant war with pagans and other tribes that joined with pagans in Mecca, AND including Banu Qurayza. Here's a little history lesson about Banu Qurayza; [link]
hahahaha shaytan? hahahhaha you believe in that superstitious nonsense? so ridiculous, what century is this where you use the internet yet believe in demons! xD
Of course I believe in them, and I can tell one is not far from you...
good knowledge like Anti-Semiteism and Misogyny. No thanks, i'd rather have an empty head.
Whatever.
But you know that when you die, nothing happens.
We'll see about that my friend ; )~
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don't push yourself dear.
he's just gaffing himself.
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Asserting a One True God is wrong. And yes i already know they wronged him. But he had no right to WAGE war on them later. You cant deny the conquests he did and that he took over a lot of countries. And killed a lot of people! they wanted to fight him and he fought them and killed them!
NO ONE WANTED HIS PREACHINGS!!!! he should have stayed in mecca! but he didnt.
Then there is also banu quraniza :/
"If the Prophet Muhammad's goal was for all of these things then why didn't he accept it, it was mission accomplished if we are to believe the critics argument."
He waited for a better accomplishment, taking over the whole middle east. And he did.
"it's about salvation and bringing people back to the straight path of God. "
The straight path of god is beating women when they disobey you? cool.
"muslims had also their share to pay"
Yes, but non muslims paid extra. and that is religious discrimination.
" (2) Provide means for them to practice their religions freely by building Temples or Churches for them."
its extortion no matter how i look at it.
"And take over Mecca, in what way, please rephrase it a bit more(I cant wait to hear what that is XD)"
Muhammed proclaimed him self the king and was the leader of the whole place and later the entire arab region you dolt.
"is some tank that goes around the world, to take over countries, get real man."
Horses. They took over countries, you get real and look into the history books. Its caleld 3'azawat!
"NO SIR, they got persectued, harassed in the most miserable state then human could have went through"
YES, it is still not an excuse to rule over the region. even if he thought a magical man in the sky is on his side.
"What goes on after his death and the people who do things against his teachings and the commandments of God have no meaning for me"
He sent Amr Ibn Al As to take over Egypt.
" AND including Banu Qurayza. Here's a little history lesson about Banu Qurayza"
YES, they were mean to him and broke the treaty...still there is no excuse for beheading all the men and taking the women as concubines. that is sick!
"Of course I believe in them, and I can tell one is not far from you..."
ooooooh scary, fuckin dark ages gibrish! child like mentality.
"We'll see about that my friend ; )~"
no we wont, we will be fucking dead.
bye bye!
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Asserting a One True God is wrong. And yes i already know they wronged him. But he had no right to WAGE war on them later. You cant deny the conquests he did and that he took over a lot of countries. And killed a lot of people! they wanted to fight him and he fought them and killed them!
Obviously, CONTEXT is something you NEVER look at, and I can tell you that many islamphobes shares the same "syndrome"
NO ONE WANTED HIS PREACHINGS!!!! he should have stayed in mecca! but he didnt.
Poor were treated bad, women were sold as slaves, slaves were treaten harshly, there were no moral or decency in the society of Jahaliya, they used to "gamble" and"play games" to determine who wins and who lose of other properties who belongs to people who had little to spare, little baby girls were burried alive becuase they were girsl, these were sick traditions that made the human life miserable, therefor someone had to come and help those people and lead them to straight path which u obiously have no clue of what it is !
He waited for a better accomplishment, taking over the whole middle east. And he did.
His ONLY mission was to preach the message, he never intended and had no wish to become a ruler over men, nor did he have any desire to become powerful, he was like many ordinary men, he only preached what is good to people and to make them deviate themselves from the sick tradtions and the unjust system in Jahaliya period.
The straight path of god is beating women when they disobey you? cool.
In arabic, it doesnt even say "beat" or "slave beat" or whateer you like to intepret it, it means to not give them severe hit, in other words ,men cannot leave any marks or anything that can hurt the wife. This verse only implies to those women who have commited something VERY severe(it doesnt imply that you can beat them anytime you want for no reason, like if she haven't cooked your egg wrong or other silly and unreasonable excuses)Also there are conditions or "blocks" that men has to go through before they even think about hitting a wife, and if they cannot pass them, then they have no right to hit their wife, regardless what it might be, EXCEPT for severe or something very serious that the wife have commited or done(lets say if she uses drugso r commited adultery and refuses to stop and listen because no one can reason with her, then the man have the right to dicipline her, but not SEVERE hitting)
Yes, but non muslims paid extra. and that is religious discrimination
Note that women, children,sick and eldrey did not have any obligations to pay jizya, it is required only to those men who are rich and are able to pay in order so that muslims can provide their protection and building of their houses and churches and the transport of food and material supplies. Even muslims themselves have to twice or more then what the non muslims had to pay!
Muhammed proclaimed him self the king and was the leader of the whole place and later the entire arab region you dolt.
Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) refued the offer from the pagans who offered him kingship, and he simply said that his only rule is to preach, not to become king.Again, I dont see any proof where prophet(pbuh) EVER said he wanted to become King and take over Middle East : P
Horses. They took over countries, you get real and look into the history books. Its caleld 3'azawat!
Please stay in the timeperiod here, we're talking about Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) lifetime,also were he was ALIVE : /
YES, it is still not an excuse to rule over the region. even if he thought a magical man in the sky is on his side.
The immigrated to Medinah, they never took anything over : P
"The Sealed Nectar" is an excellent biography book for ya that will give you every detail on the time they immigrated to Medinah and for what purpose = D!
He sent Amr Ibn Al As to take over Egypt.
Hadihts please?
YES, they were mean to him and broke the treaty...still there is no excuse for beheading all the men and taking the women as concubines. that is sick!
Obviously you havent read the article I just gave you now did you <: (
ooooooh scary, fuckin dark ages gibrish! child like mentality.
Its funny how people like you always like to curse alot and hvae no decency, Shaytan adores that stuff you know <: )
no we wont, we will be fucking dead.
I only pray that God can forgive you and remove the hatred from your heart ^__^
bye bye!
Wassalam ; D!
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"Obviously, CONTEXT is something you NEVER look at"
I looked at the context and his acts are still unjustifiable. and in WHATEVER context, he is still wrong.
" these were sick traditions that made the human life miserable, therefor someone had to come and help those people and lead them to straight path which u obiously have no clue of what it is "
I KNOW he did good things and i keep telling you that, but i think there is still no excuse for creating a false religion and taking over other nations!!!! even if he improved it on some level, he still caused harm.
"His ONLY mission was to preach the message, he never intended and had no wish to become a ruler over men, nor did he have any desire to become powerful, "
That is what YOU SAY! it seems to me that his actions portray him as a mad who wanted those things!
"deviate themselves from the sick tradtions and the unjust system in Jahaliya period."
He removed some of their traditions and added his own sick traditions too!!! example: sexual repression!
"In arabic, it doesnt even say "beat" or "slave beat" or whateer you like to intepret it"
WRONG!!! [link]
"men cannot leave any marks or anything that can hurt the wife. "
THE IDEA it self is despicable! to hit other people is WRONG!! It is SICK to hit your wife! even if just a little bit.
There is no reason to hit them even if they did something very "severe".
Are women allowed to beat their husbands too?
SEXIST RELIGION!
"then the man have the right to dicipline her, but not SEVERE hitting)"
BUT the quran did not give the same right to a women if her husband cheats! filthy sexist ideology!
" it is required only to those men who are rich and are able to pay in order so that muslims can provide their protection and building of their houses and churches and the transport of food and material supplies."
WRONG, it is required of all able non muslims regardless if rich or not!!!
thay system was used ton increase the numbers of muslims by making nonmuslims poor from paying the jiziah and to join islam to get rid of it.
"Even muslims themselves have to twice or more then what the non muslims had to pay!"
YOU ARE LYING. Non muslims paid more! it is wrong!
"Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) refued the offer from the pagans who offered him kingship"
Because he knew that later on he was gonna be more powerful than them!
"Again, I dont see any proof where prophet(pbuh) EVER said he wanted to become King and take over Middle East "
He didnt say it, but he DID IT.
"Please stay in the timeperiod here, we're talking about Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) lifetime,also were he was ALIVE : /"
he did a lot of islamic conquests when he was alive!!!
"The immigrated to Medinah, they never took anything over "
WRONG! that was one time!!! read about the islamic conquests where the took over land and money and split the booties of war where muhammad took 1/5th of it. ALSO took women.
"Hadihts please?"
You go look for them!
Here is a brief history of what he did! [link]
He was sent by muhammed to take over oman and later was sent to egypt by abu bakr!! it was a conquest!!!
"Its funny how people like you always like to curse alot and hvae no decency, Shaytan adores that stuff you know <: )"
can you even hear your self? you believe in ghosts and demons! xD
"I only pray that God can forgive you and remove the hatred from your heart ^__^"
you know, there is no god, when you die nothing happens.
fuck... i am wasting my time with you.
bye bye for real we have said enough!!!!
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hmmmph!! I just wonder how can you gaff yourself with these words.
"there is no god, when you die nothing happens"!!! it makes me laugh. a bitter laugh.hahahahaha!!! go and jape someone els kiddy!!
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So when you die the ghost inside you floats and ascends to a magical garden where you live forever?
and you call me kiddy?
such childish beliefs.
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and yes. I called you KIDDY!!! do you have a problem with that?
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you're not God to Make decisions for us."no one goes anywhere"
even Japaneas belives in Hell and Heaven and God!!!!
then you!!! hahahaha!!!!
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Most Japanese people are atheists. But what does that have to do with anything?
And i am not god to decide, yes. But there is no god to deiced.
You're just another fool who is afraid of death and have to believe in an afterlife in order to comfort yourself.
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oh,I almost forgot.
you're comforting yourself by not believing in afterlife.bc you're so sheepish.you're afraiding of punishments and want to comfort yourself that ther's no God to punish you or take you're life.
you have No future.
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No, the nonexistence of an afterlife does not mean we should be evil.
I know there is no afterlife, but i will be a moral person anyway.
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yes.bc I'm not normal.I'm special!!!!
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You're just a pile of stuff like the rest of us.
Enjoy your fake fantasy.
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you too. enjoy your fool fantasy!!!!KIDDY.
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There is no fantasy in my world view, only reality.
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hahahahahahahahaha...!!!!ohhhooo!!Reality!!!
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you first!! and it's Dep, not (Derp).
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everything you say is yourself!!!!you Rude!!!!
you must learn so much about talking to the others!!!
I'll(Report spam) your comments to teach you not to open your big and dirty mouth anymore!!!!
Rude!!coarse!!!lowbrow!!!!
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Your statement is oxymoronic.
You call me rude yet in the same sentence you insult me. Such a hypocrite.
I guess you were just mad that i proved you wrong so many times.
You have some growing up to do.
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you're the one who is hypocrite!! and I'm Mad bc of that word's meaning!!!!(someone who sucks in Games)!!!!
and you just proved that how dense you are!!
and you have more growing up to do!!!
you don't have anything to do but writing nonsenses in the other Muslims' profiles and telling that we're terorists!!!
you've a great deal to learn about the other people.
you even don't know how did you borned!!!
you say who belives in God and the after life is fool?
fine.then I tell you we're more happier and upbeater than you with these thoughts.((CALL US FOOL!CALL US WHAT EVER YOU WANT!!BUT WE'LL NEVER HOLD BACK))
and about Japaneas.even if they belive in Fantasy Gods,they belive in an after life which bad Humans will be punished there.
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They don't believe in a god therefore they don't believe in an afterlife.
Your are wrong again.
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you're the one who is wrong.I have lot's of Japanease friends and they all belive in an after life.
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These are the minority.
The numbers i have provided are undeniable.
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hah!!! telling me this after thinking for one week!! so funny!
all the Japanease knows their country better than anyone.why don't ask a real one huh? and I can ask my Japanease friends and teacher.
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The statistics are more reliable than asking your friends.
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hmmf.three weeks is a very long time for such an answer don't you think? say what ever you want. I told you befor. you'll be ignored.
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I took three weeks because your reply was not significant enough to address immediately and i have better things to do than argue with immature imbeciles.
Now leave me be.
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you too!!! leave me be and alone ofcours!!!!
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fine.say whatever you want.
see ya in the celestial court in the End!!
and you're the one who afraids of death bc there IS an after life
and you know you'll be punished for your sins some day soon.
and I have to say,most of the Japanease people are now belives in the true God.hah!! poor thing!! you've hide yourself in your little,narrow and dark world.you don't see anything.
poor poor kiddy!! I saw so many people like you,and their future of course.
they all turnd to ashes,to nothing,by themselvs,by their wrong imagery and recollections of world and it's creator.
poor,poor,POOR!!!
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