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Published: 2008-01-26 20:57:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 4426; Favourites: 395; Downloads: 65
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Seriously people.I am disabling comments cuz I don't like arguing with people, it makes me very angry (yes I have probably have anger problems >.< )
I'll just give what I want to say here, and if you disagree, that's fine, but I dont' want to hear it.
art n.
the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
My definition:
Anything where the creator had the intention of it being so.
Anime is art. And I don't care if you think the fans are annoying, then complain about them, not the style itself. Art is very important to me and to other anime artists. Anime is not a singular style but a genre of styles. There are so many differences between different anime that if you put characters from one show (or manga) in another it would look very strange and misplaced. Anime is not a simple or easy style. It takes a lot of pratice and it also takes a lot of skill since it is coming from your own thoughts rather than reference. Anime shows are not stupid either. Some are, of course, but that goes for all things. Anime has many genres and many stories and though some are similar, there are some that are very original, as with everything. Anime is not copying someones style, because as I said before, it is not one singular style. I've seen anime that are very cartoony, almost old disney cartoony and anime that is very close to realism. People need to shutup and leave anime and anime artists alone. There's usually a reason something is popular and anime is fun to draw and beautiful as well. And it is NOT the most common art form on DA so don't say "it's everywhere" because it's not unless you're looking for it.
This stamp is not about fanart but anime art in general.
I think I've said all things that need to be said.
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yeah fo sho, Anime is one THE MOST realistic cartoon styles I've ever seen, and of course it varies depending on the artist, the only thing that's FREAKISHLY different is the face.
haha I would but I can't pull off that kind of blind ignorance ^^
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i think ppl never notice how stupidly ironic they are.
sorry if i ranted there, but i've been discussing this subject with other ppl on forums and such and i'm pretty fed up seeing stupid aniem hate threads where 13-year-olds try to be "cool" by "going against the tide" and hating anime..and failing at it.
no, seriously, i have yet to hear 1 person give a serious, well thought out argument as to "why it sucks" (not "why they hate it" , hate needs no explanation). i even got the "japan bombed pearl harbour" crap X(
more ironic is, like i said, that i've yet to hear ppl say how badly drawn american cartoons are. no, seriously, ppl are stupid..
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What? They give you the Pearl Harbor crap? To think I was called this and that after bringing up Hiroshima. They sure have the nerve to talk like that.
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well, to be honest, they didn't tell ME, i just found that topic in the forum and read it. i never participated ON THAT forum..you might know the site.. newgrounds.com XD
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Never heard of it. What I was talking about happened here. I mentioned Hiroshima, and this guy totally pulled a Machiaveli. "There are no innocents in war", or "a life is a life, regardless of age or gender", then he was like "taking a life if fully justified if it furthers a cause". I bet he just wanted me to come up with some sort of self-righteous rant so he and his friends can laugh at the "J-fag" protecting the Japanese, so I ignored him. He DID help me in coming up with a personality for one of the villains in my comic though.
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wow, that's taking it pretty far.
newgrounds is teh biggest flash movie n game site out there, but the majority of its crowd is dumbass perverted 13-year-old boys who can't stand anime. the only worse type of member than them are the dumbass perverted 21-year olds . unfortunately, i'm not kidding.
i checked out the forums today and to my surprise, the anime hate threads seem to have died down.
a few weeks ago, threads like: [link]
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were littering the front page of the search results for "anime" page.
ppl seem to have gotten over it though.
btw, the last post in [link] this thread is very win.
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Oh. I just noticed your sig. I can relate to the vampire part.
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Yeah it's too bad, they really dont' have an excuse. And it isn't cool or new not to like anime, I'd say the majority of the populartion doesn't It's just taht most anime fans like the internet and here we are.
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they just can't accept that japanese cartoons are starting to rival theirs..
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Totally! Using! (If thats Ok ^_^;; )
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Yes. I really wish people would stop. You like it, you hate it...whatever. Keep it to yourself! Thanks for the stamp!
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What exsactly are they complaining about? 
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They complain about everything, the art style, the actual anime shows, people who like anime ect.
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Oh yeah, I tried to make one of those understand that he shouldn't hate anime fans but kept insulting and hating and saying I was irrational when he was the one that made no sence and saids just can't be taken as valid points. He just kept insulting so I just stoped replying the last day of the year so I don't keep the pointless argument in the new year...
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yeah, they are the stupid ones >.< I'm sorry you had to put up with that
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yeah if you go in the forums you will see ^^
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indeed. (cant think of anything to say 
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Deffinately, hearing that pisses me off, especially from people who dont even know a thing about it.
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yeah it's too bad, and they won't even listen to your reasons either
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To what reasons? I haven't heard many. I mean, yeah, you can like what you like- but other people can bitch about what they don'tlike. 
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reasons why it IS art for instance. And yeah they can complain if they want but when it's all they complain about it gets old, especially if they're complaining out of pure ignorance.
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*shrugs* Most of the complaints I've seen about anime-influenced art style aren't just out of ignorance, but I don't really pay much attention to it so I wouldn't know.
And, yes, anime IS art. I agree. It's time consuming art that I've really got nothing but respect for the people who make, like all animation, japanese or non. But people are going to complain about any show or movie they don't like, especially popular ones. I whine about reality TV and popular anime/manga that just won't end, doesn't mean it's out of ignorance, I just don't like it.
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There are people who have their reasons that are legitimate and they are fine, if they respect my opinion as well ^^ But I've talked with people who are like "It's shit, that's why it's not art" or "It's so easy anyone can draw it and it asll looks the same" things that are completely untrue or have no real basis. And personally I think there are better things to complain or flame about ^^ Not that you should ever flame anyone.
And complaining about things because they are popular is just silly. I used to do it but I realized it's just stupid, there's no reason to hate things just because other people do, though I do dislike hearing about the same thing over and over, I'm not gonna flame or make complaint thread/journals about it either ^^
But I'm glad that you do have respect for it, just as I respect your art as well ^^
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It does strike me as a bit of a lazy art form in terms of anatomy, but with clothes and hair- people put a whole bunch of detail there. That's not lazy.
I don't care if it's popular- good for them. I'm just less likely to care about something if it's popular, because it's got a few million fans to care instead.
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But there's nothing lazy about the anatomy, it's pretty close to realism really, it's just exaggerated to be more "ideal" It took me years and years and years to get where I am with my anatomy. My schooling has helped because studying realism has helped me with my anime anatomy. If I can apply that to the anime style then there's nothing lazy about it. The only thing that makes it lazy is when people claim bad anatomy BECAUSE of the style which is completely bogus.
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It depends on the style. I've seen some where arms/legs are basically lines. You could draw them with rulers. And most of the faces are basically twice flattened circles with dots and dashes and huge eyes.
Also, everyone seems to basically look exactly the same except for their hair/clothes. I know I'm no better, but I at least want to be able to draw different body types and faces and such in the future. It's too easy to just draw everyone looking like barbies- the exact same with different hair style and colorations, and with anime you're actually allowed to and most people do so unless it's someone old/whatever or a monster. Most other styles I've seen, even simple ones, you have to draw all people so that they're more obviously different.
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Yeah like Pokemon is that way where they are straight lines, but I personally don't like that very much. I know I try to apply a lot of curviture to my characters.
And I agree in some anime everyone does look the same like Inuyasha, but a good example would be Naruto where I think there are lots of body types and they tend to vary the eyes a lot too, which I'm working on myself. Sure not all anime is drawn amazingly but that doesn't mean the style itself if about bad anatomy and lack of detail, that's the artists choosing, I can see those things on a "realistic" drawing as well, though it's much harder to pull off being lazy.
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Yeah, most people associate it with anime because you get a lot more examples where they do it. Not because there are, proportionally, more, it's just a popular style so you see it a lot. I think the biggest problem is that anime itself probably has a bunch of sub-styles, half of which aren't actually drawn in japanese animation, but they get clumped together so the bad anatomy/lazy stuff gets noticed, seen as anime, and the person assumes all the style is like that because all of that style is.
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I think what it is is that anime is a very popular style, especially with younger people (who are usually less skilled, therefore not as good art) therefore, they see this undeveloped art and blame the anime style, although it's not the style, it's the artist. I know so many anime styles that have amazing detail and attention put into them. I try too to really make mine stand out, by not making the characters simple and boring.
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Yeah... but how do you explain the manga by professionals that are less detailed and whatnot? you can't blame that on how the artist is young and undeveloped.
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Just because you're proffessional doesn't mean you're a particularly good artist, like pokemon, which we mentioned earlier is just very simplified and That Avril Lavigne manga is just horribly drawn.
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Yeah, but if you're professional you're getting paid and should be expected to be good. Your argument was that a lot are young and the undeveloped art is then blamed on the style. But if even the people creating it professionally (which is half of what the style's defined by because how often do you see people emulating the style of unpublished art) are undeveloped- there's good reason to blame the style.
If it was just the fanart there'd be a lot less of an argument, but because even the professionals are getting away with it people see that and go "right, that definitely took effort. Bet it took you a good hour to get that on paper" and think it's lazy because not all the so-called "professionals" are that good.
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Well I'd expect a proffesional to be good, but that's not always the case. When it comes to cartoons (including anime) It's not always just about the art style, it's about the content. Which is why some proffesionals can get away with not drawing that well, mainly because what they draw will sell. Like I mentioned the avirl lavigne manga, they don't care if it's drawn well, why? Because people will buy it because there's a famous pop singer in it. Unforutnately that's the case, but the real manga and anime I appreciate most is the kind that has beautiful art along with a wonderful story, because mixing the two together makes for a much better experience. And I really don't think it deserves a bad rep, Anime is no less original than realism, semi-realism, photography, or any other style art I see here. Sure there are unoriginal pictures (i.e a character just standing three giving peace sign) but the same can be said for something like photograohy (skinny naked chick in black and white). And it does take a lot of work to make an anime style stand out and look good, which actually, I think, makes it a very hard style to master. If so many people are drawing it, you are forced to do something with your art that will make it stand out, if you want it to be noticed at least.
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I know that's why. But I'm just saying that's the freaking problem. If you can't get the professionals to take enough pride to make it look good, then people who look at it aren't going to take it seriously when amateurs do it, either.
And art doesn't get a whole lot of respect anyways. There's one comic strip that shows an artist asking a guy to buy his work, how it took him months ot paint and even longer to do research on, the guy turns and says that he'd rather give his money to the guy dancing in a spiderman costume, that's real talent. I know it was just a comic- but it's not far from the truth. A lot of people think of art as something boring, like in museums. And when you're trying to break free of that and get your art, which took you months to do and you really poured your soul into and see people making money without appearing to even try and EVERYONE starts drawing like that then demanding it be called art- "serious" artists aren't going to be too happy to let them into the art club.
I'm not saying who's right or wrong- but you can't blame them for not taking anime seriously when even the professionals aren't always any good. And you really can't blame them for complaining about it- it's what people do. They complain. Be glad they're doing that instead of cracking and destroying the people that make it.
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