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The studies I paste scientific facts refers to impacts of MEAT INDUSTRY and you make comments of that nature? Do you read the nonsense crap you write?
And you think the all world world eats corpses like you that live in a rich country? Where you get thouse informations? You live in Mars?
Not "all humans eat meat". The world just goes beyond your country and the othe richer western countries. Even in the most developed countries vegetarians and vegans are rising as time goes by.
I paste here another scientific fact: "Worldwide, an estimated 2 billion people live primarily on a meat-based diet, while an estimated 4 billion live primarily on a plant-based diet." - Get it?
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Humans eat meat, there is NO reason to abandon that.
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We humans do have many things in commun with animals, but some humans (not all) have a cognitive capacity lower then chickens - they can even read or understand a text.
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Some people can illustrate possible alternatives to meat consumption but can never actually provide a reason for the species to pursue those alternatives AND at the same time go to the extremes and suggest violating their neighbor's property to kill and eat family pets.
That's why those people are marginalized and considered stupid.
Big ideas, self righteous crusades, and full on stupid rhetoric.
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Are you acusing the report "Livestock's Long Shadow - Environmental Issues and Options of the United Nations, and other scientific studies I quoted for you of having "stupid rhetoric" and "self righteous crusades"?
The world perhaps should hear people like you, that have brains in the stomach when talking about this subjects?
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The species will never be vegetarian.
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Some people are dumb as a door-knob. In this group you deserve a medal.
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Uh huh, because retards that advocate the killing and eating of family pets are brilliant people
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I don´t kill or support the killing of animals, because I am vegan; do you remember dumb ass? Maybe you should go to the diccionary and try to understand what means "veganism".
In some regions of Asia what you call pets are eateble. They will kill your dog with no hesitation and they will eat him and make some profit of him. And in India the cows are sacred, they do not eat them... But maybe you didn´t know theese simple things due to your square head..
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No, you're the one who thinks it's perfectly okay to kill a family's pet for food. That type of stupidity to make a failed attempt to "prove meat is wrong" will always make tards like you to be the extreme moron no one likes to listen to.
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You repeat that crapy lie to yourself so many times in order to avoid the fact that you are a speciesist that loves the dog and don´t care less about other animals? You idiot craphead, you are the one who doesn´t use the brains to think and to see the facts someone presents to you. You are a slave comanded by mass culture who wants to be an artist that uses the mouth to say nonsenses.
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Yes you are a speciesist because you descriminate species of animals. You don´t even know why you eat cows and have dogs or cats as pets. You just do it, automaticaly without questioning, as a good slave.
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Hahahhaa!
YES, I am racist against cows
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No. Racism is a typology of discrimination towards different human races. There are other types of discrimination and one of them is being speciesist. You are a speciesist that discriminates species and you just do it for cultural legacy: your culture tells you to love dogs and cats and to disregard the fact the others you eat (cows, pigs, chickes, fish, etc) are also sentient just like humans, dogs, cats, daulphins, etc.
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Yeah, 'daulphins'......
I am human, I eat meat. Cows have to be food.
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people from India don´t eat cows, billions of people in the world don´t eat cows. So, it means they aren´t human? No. It means you eat what your culture tells you to eat.
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that´s the point - not all humans eat animals. You are a PRODUCT of your culture because you internalize system of values and beliefs and don´t even question if they are right or wrong. If in US people eat dogs and use pigs as pets you would find it "natural" and you would obey the conventions.
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No, all humans eat animals. Just because India doesn't eat cows doesn't mean they don't eat meat.
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No, not all humans eat corpses. I told you before and I will repeat: the world has 6 billions of people. 2 billions eat animals regularly (happens with people like you from the richest countries). Another billion do it occasionaly and the other 3 billions don´t do it at all. Even in the richest countries the Vegans are rising and they pass the number of a million.
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There isn´t a single sentence you say that might be near reality. You are an alienated with out any will to put that square head on the real world: You don´t care, not all the world is idiot like you. Au revoir!
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I thought you were a vegan? And trust me I'm sure
they wouldn't taste good, the dog is old and the cat
is skinny. The only reason why their not popular
food is because in the western world their cute
and domesticated.
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I am vegan, for sure. I was just checking if you were capable of eating cats or dogs and you aren´t because you say they are "cute and domesticated". But unfortunetely is some countries people eat them. Did you ever see a baby chicken? or a baby pig? or a baby cow? They are also so cute... and you eat them. Did you wonder yourself, why?
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Okay I'm not arguing with you being a vegan I think it's cool,
but we as humans are designed to eat plants and animals, yes I would eat a baby pig, cow or chicken. Our bodies can't function without proteins. I mean we're omnivores.
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Why don´t you eat your cat?
Vegan bodies also need proteins. We must be super-people because you are a living proof that is possible to have healthy bodies and brains without eating animals. Do you know who Einstein was? He was vegetarian. Do you know who Carl Lewis is? He is vegan. Examples of "cool" and healthy vegan people just can be listed...
But, being vegan is much more then being cool: it´s all about consciousness towards animals/enviornement/human rights and being sustainable.
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They weren't cool or smart because they were vegans.
And I'm not hungry enough to eat my cat, but in Africa
they eat wild cat. I believe humans can participate
in environment, human and animal rights activities
whether or not their vegan.
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Being a vegan is participating directely in envirnonment and human rights activities. Or, if you want, not eating corpses, milk, eggs, etc., is not contributing to a system that degradates envirnonment.
According to United Nations Report, "Livestock´s Long Shadow - Environmental Issues and Options"
«(...) the livestock sector is one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. The findings of this report suggest that it should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity.
Based on this report, senior U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization official Dr. Henning Steinfeld stated that the meat industry is “one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems" and that "urgent action is required to remedy the situation." » (.....)
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This is great your proving my point, you don't have
to be vegan to help the environment. Plus if we all
were vegan that would be terrible for the land... I
mean we'd be going through the same problems there
would be an overpopulation of beasts, they will run out
feeding grounds, turn horrible violent, starved and
diseased. Not to mention the fact that we humans would
be eating more than half of their food source, forcing
most to turn into cannibals and eat each other. I'm sorry
to point out the obvious, but humans need meat and animals
need us to eat then that's plain to see. Now do I think
animals we eat should be taken care of. Of course I'd love
to know that every pig, goat, sheep or cow was happy before
they died.
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Do you read what I have said? The livestock industry is the "sector "one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. The findings of this report suggest that it should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity."
Don´t you understand this language? It means that meat, milk and eggs industry is the second or third sector that causes more environmental problems, including the saturation of soils.
And guess what? Meta eaters like you also contribute to world hunger. Why? Because the most developed countries are feeding animals for you to eat instead feeding people. "The poor are getting poorer each year ... Increased poverty has meant increased malnutrition. On the African continent, nearly one in every four human beings is malnourished. In Latin America, nearly one out of every seven people goes to bed hungry each night. In Asia and the south Pacific, 28% of the people border on starvation. "Chronic hunger now affects upwards of 1.3 billion people, according to the World Health Organisation — a statistic all the more striking in a world where one third of all the grain being produced is being fed to cattle and other livestock. Never before in human history has such a large percentage of our species — nearly 25% — been malnourished."
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Are you understanding what I'm saying? we HAVE
to eat animals...that's the bottom line, I know the
statistics and becoming a vegan isn't going to solve
world hunger dude it's only going to make the world
protein deficient. I see nothing wrong with you wanting
to be vegan I support it all the way and may even try
some vegan meals myself, but guess what... people who
are starving don't only need nutrition from veggies but
the healthy stuff you get from eating meat. I suggest
that when using these statistics you should factor in the
Meat Eaters who own farms and are fighting for
animals everywhere to be treated with respect before they
parish to provide the world with food.
Oh and why are you crawling all over me? lol I just left
a simple comment on your deviation. Here is the truth as
clear and clean as I can make it. I am an omnivore I love
meat, fruit and vegetables. I support anyone who wants to
eat just meat, or veggies but I want them to know that our
bodies weren't designed to eat from just one category. I
want to help the planet the best I can and world hunger as
well as pollution are horrible things that need to be
managed. That's my stand on things.
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There is one thing I do understand: you don´t care less about studies that prove that meat eaters like you are indirectaly responsable for world hunger and directely responsable for serious envirnoment dammaging worldwide. Maybe you should start thinking with your brains instead using your stomach. Your perception of reality must be very twisted once you think being vegan/vegetarian can be bad for people who are starving. First of all not all world consumes corpses like you. Secondly, only 2 billion people in the world eat corpses like you, the other 4 billion just don´t do it often or just don´t do it at all. Thirdly corps eaters like you are the ones who have high cancer rates, heart diseases, strokes, etc.
So, before you express your misconceptions about reality, just try to read serious studies, documentaries and statistics that you may find on-line (I can provide you some sources if you want), and you will acknowledge that your current conceptions and "truths" look like they came out from WaltDisney.
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but it seems like your a bit offended by my views;
which I don't mind at all. Listen to me with your head
for a second. Vegans cannot solve world hunger, you are
targeting the wrong people, I repeat kindly back off!
I know plenty of 'corpse eaters' (love the nickname 
who value the planet and seek to make sure that humans
around the world get a healthy meal...me being one of them.
I know, it's hard for you to believe that lowly me, a meat
eater would try to help the planet but there you go. And
do me a favor and stop screwing my words I didn't say being
a vegan is bad, I've basically said to do what you want, but
the whole world will never be vegan.
What I'm trying to convey to you at the moment is that
EVERYONE can help the planet not just Vegans but
all of humanity. and don't worry I've studied the subject
pretty well, and I believe people need to eat what is right
for their own bodies. Besides it'll take longer for me to die from cancer, then it will for you to die from Strontium
90 poison which comes down in our air from nuclear reactors
and nuclear testing which is absorbed by plants, leaves and
grasses. I have nothing more to say on this matter and I
believe that you've pretty much spoken your mind too, so
good luck in your endeavors hope everything goes well. I'm
off to eat yummy dinner. 
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I am not offended at all. But you are not being serious in this conversation. All points I show are facts that result from studies from official sources like the UN. You do not present me any scientific fact, you just use misconceptions about reality you formed in your mind and you try to use them as "universal realities". What I say to you are not opinions. Are just facts that are not told by me, but by scientists.
I will repeat, once again, what I said before. But this time I will use other direct scientific sources, and not common sense from Walt Disney:
FACT 1. The quantity of vegetables and cereals produced to feed animals in livestocks would be enough to end world starvation. For example: "The 4.8 pounds of grain fed to cattle to produce one pound of beef for human beings represents a colossal waste of resources in a world still teeming with people who suffer from profound hunger and malnutrition.
According to the British group Vegfam, a 10-acre farm can support 60 people growing soybeans, 24 people growing wheat, 10 people growing corn and only two producing cattle. Britain—with 56 million people—could support a population of 250 million on an all-vegetable diet. Because 90 percent of U.S. and European meat eaters" grain consumption is indirect (first being fed to animals), westerners each consume 2,000 pounds of grain a year. Most grain in underdeveloped countries is consumed directly.
Somalian famine victims line up for food handouts. Producing a pound of beef requires 4.8 pounds of grain, and critics of our modern agricultural system say that the spread of meat-based diets aggravates world hunger.
While it is true that many animals graze on land that would be unsuitable for cultivation, the demand for meat has taken millions of productive acres away from farm inventories. The cost of that is incalculable. As Diet For a Small Planet author Frances Moore Lappé writes, imagine sitting down to an eight-ounce steak. "Then imagine the room filled with 45 to 50 people with empty bowls in front of them. For the "feed cost" of your steak, each of their bowls could be filled with a full cup of cooked cereal grains."
Harvard nutritionist Jean Mayer estimates that reducing meat production by just 10 percent in the U.S. would free enough grain to feed 60 million people. Authors Paul and Anne Ehrlich note that a pound of wheat can be grown with 60 pounds of water, whereas a pound of meat requires 2,500 to 6,000 pounds"
FACT 2. Livestock industry is the second or third sector that most pollutes the planet. An example: "The threat of pollution from intensive livestock and poultry farms is a national problem." [1]
According to the EPA, over 200 manure discharges and spills from U.S. animal farms between 1990 and 1997 have killed more than a billion fish. Animal feedlots can contaminate nearby well water with high levels of nitrates, which have been linked to miscarriages in humans as well as "blue baby" syndrome in infants.
Manure lagoons and spray fields from animal agriculture also pollute the air by emitting ammonia, methane, and hydrogen sulfide.
According to a May 2003 article in the New York Times, "Around industrial hog farms across the country, people say their sickness rolls in with the wind. It brings headaches that do not go away and trips to the emergency room for children whose lungs suddenly close up. People young and old have become familiar with inhalers, nebulizers and oxygen tanks. They complain of diarrhea, nosebleeds, earaches and lung burns."
Fact 3. Corps eaters in the most developed countries do present the highest rates of various and serious health problems. For example:
"There is some evidence to suggest that the human digestive system was not designed for meat consumption and processing (see sidebar), which could help explain why there is such high incidence of heart disease, hypertension, and colon and other cancers. Add to this the plethora of drugs and antibiotics applied as a salve to unnatural factory farming conditions and growing occurrences of meat-based diseases like E. coli and Salmonella, and there's a compelling health-based case for vegetarianism.
The factory-farmed chicken, cow or pig of today is among the most medicated creatures on Earth. "For sheer overprescription, no doctor can touch the American farmer," reported Newsweek. According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report, the use of antimicrobial drugs for nontherapeutic purposes—mainly to increase factory farm growth rates—has risen 50 percent since 1985.
Ninety percent of commercially available eggs come from chickens raised on factory farms, and six billion "broiler" chickens emerge from the same conditions. Ninety percent of U.S.-raised pigs are closely confined at some point during their lives. According to the book Animal Factories by Jim Mason and Peter Singer, pork producers lose $187 million annually to chronic diseases such as dysentery, cholera, trichinosis and other ailments fostered by factory farming. Drugs are used to reduce stress levels in animals crowded together unnaturally, although 20 percent of the chickens die of stress or disease anyway.
One result of these conditions is a high rate of meat contamination. Up to 60 percent of chickens sold in supermarkets are infected with Salmonella entenidis, which can pass to humans if the meat is not heated to a high enough temperature. Another pathogen, Campylobacter, can also spread from chickens to human beings with deadly results.
In 1997, more than 25 million pounds of hamburger were found to be contaminated with E. coli 0157:H7, which is spread by fecal matter. The bacteria are a particular problem in hamburger, because the grinding process spreads it throughout the meat. E. coli, the leading cause of kidney failure in young children, was the culprit when three children died of food poisoning after eating at a Seattle Jack in the Box restaurant in 1993.
Business as usual at the animal farm: From left: chicken debeaking, cow confinement, poultry transport and hog crowding.
The British epidemic of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), or mad cow disease, which began in 1986 and has affected nearly 200,000 cattle, jumps to beef-eating humans in the form of the always-fatal Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD). The CDC reports that an average of 10 to 15 people have contracted CJD from meat in Britain each year since it was first detected in 1994. In 1998, the British Medical Association warned in a report to Members of Parliament, "The current state of food safety in Britain is such that all raw meat should be assumed to be contaminated with pathogenic organisms." In 1997, it added, Salmonella or E. coli infected a million people in Britain. BSE spreads through cattle that are fed contaminated central nervous-system tissue from other animals. "Its future magnitude and geographic distribution
cannot yet be predicted," the CDC reported. In the U.S., deer have been affected with chronic wasting disease, which has many similarities to British BSE, though a definitive link to humans has not been established.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), more than 10 million animals that were dying or diseased when slaughtered were "rendered" (processed into a protein-rich meal) in 1995 for addition to pig, poultry and pet food. Animals that collapse at the slaughterhouse door or during transportation are called "downers," and their corpses are routinely processed for human consumption. A 2001 Zogby America poll conducted for the group Farm Sanctuary found that 79 percent of Americans oppose this practice, which could be an entry point for BSE into the U.S. meat supply. Farm Sanctuary petitioned the USDA in 1998 to end processing of downer meat for human consumption, but its petition was denied.
One of the major western exports is a taste for meat, though it brings with it increased risk of heart disease and cancer. Clearly, there is something seriously wrong with a diet and food production system resulting in such waste, endemic disease and human health threats."
FACT 4. Vegan people do present them selfs helthier and they last longer.
The American Dietetic Association says in a position statement, "Appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, are nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
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Vegans do not think with the stomach. Vegan is not about "like", is about thinking and to be awere the livestock impacts, between others impacts and processes.
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Oh!!! I'm not being sarcastic but I really thought you
guys 'liked' what you ate, thats interesting. I think if
I became a vegan I'd still go by like, I mean I have to eat
for the rest of my life, why eat something that doesn't appeal
to me?
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Of course vegan diet do have lots of great dishes! One of this days I send you a vegan dish cooked by me, you might love it and cry for more!
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Are vegan dishes cooked? I don't I'm a meat lover,
but I have diverse tastes,I like almost everything!
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Of course they are cooked! You were vegan and you do not know what vegan people eat? You like almost everything? Do you have pets?
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I'm strongly against this, if you don't want to eat aninals for me is ok, no problem, but my father hunts and my uncle is a farmer.
As long that other animals eat animals I'm not going to feel guilty for this, animals like rabbits and deer can be a plague too and ruin an ecosystem. I support that at the end of the picture, I hate bullfighting as a sadistic way of entertainment and of course I agree that most of our resources are wrong used, but as part of the life cycle there is death and pain, animals also feel pain in the wild, I have seen old cats killing baby cats and in a documentary I see how a group of killer whales haunting and killing a baby whale just for training (they leave the biten corpse). And by the way the sheeps of my uncle have a very good and safe life, they are not confined in a small space like chickens in a factory farm. Buy food of the farmers of your area and don't support that ones that give animals a miserable life.. there is no need of become a vegetarian...
So, even if I agree mostly of this I don't support vegetarianism, good luck and have a nice day
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For me is irrelevant if your father hunts and your uncle is a farmer. Not all animals eat animals. Do you have cats and/or dogs? If you do, why don´t you eat them since "part of the life cycle there is death and pain"?
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LOL I know! If you are going to take all positions to an absurd extreme for me is fine.
I don't have any animals... but why I don't go to the street and start killing people? I have heard that people tastes fine too 
And what if you only eat plants? don't deserve life too? why you don't close your mouth and starve for all of us? that will be by far the most generous act that you have done
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To ask you why you don´t eat dog or cat is absurd? In Spain you don´t eat cats or dogs, and I was expecting an answer from you but I can see you are getting very nervous and star saying nonsenses.
Plants are not sentient like animals like you, me or cows are. And this makes a huge difference.
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If you think that the lack of sentiments of the plants make them worthless you are missing a point: Macro-ecosystems like ours are impossible without plants. And they are the only being that catch energy directly from the sun, so think again.
XD The fact that I like nosenses don't means that i'm getting nervous, of course I don't have any problem for eating dogs or cats, i don't care if they look cute... and for sure you wouldn't care too if you are real hungry, like having 2-3 days without anything to eat
I know you don't care, but in my village poeple eats (in the past, when hunger was a real problem) river rats (i don't know if is the real translation) and donkeys/horses, yep.
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So you care about plants and ecosystems? So, for instance, do you know what Cargill is doing to Amazonia? Of course you don´t, but I can tell you and you may confirm if you want: many of the soya that feds chickens, cows and pigs in Europe comes from Amazonia, from Santarem. From 2003 till 2011 130,000 km2 of forests and ecossystems have been destroyed for the expansion of soya farming. It equates six football pitches a minute in order for some people in the richest coutries like you could have their daily corps.
You also don´t know, but animals demand much more vegetables than people. What a cow eats in a day could feed a child in starvation for 3 weeks.
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LOL I don't buy anything to Cargill, I know they are destroying the rainforest.
Now you are matching the cruelty of killing animals with the consumism absurdity of the capitalist system. As far as I know are pretty different things.
What you are talking about is the greed of Cargill or Monsanto that doesn't care if they have to burn all the rainforest to keep their profits, i don't support that, but I have lived among simple economies of farmers and gardening supplies, so I have a different point of view. Cruelty is also in the clothes that we whear and many other products of our "new world" made by almost-slaves to be "competitive".
Have you been laboring the fields nor feeding your cattle? I spend most of my life in a small village so if you, from a city full of cars and other bullshit, try to say i'm inmoral i just lol, you don't know anything about my life.
And we can also feed many child if we focus our works in feeding child instead of crying about this. Don't use fallacies with me.
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You just don´t have any idea what Cargill is. Of course you don´t buy nothing from Cargill because they will not sell anything to you. Maybe the "burger" or the "chicken" you hate tonight was fed by Cargill. Cargill is a corporation that plants soya for animal consumption in a massive scale, I told you that before.
There are 2 different types of animal farming: production for a local scale and production for a global scale. The livestock industry produced for a global scale it is inserted in a capitalist market, of course: MacDonalds, KFC, Burger King, and other corporations that marketing corpses to consumers in a global wide scale.
I am vegan. I do not use animal products in food, clothes, etc.
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Maybe I don't have so much information about Cargill as you, I know that, but I know what I eat, I purchase food in markets that buy they meat to local farmers, I'm hardly against global scale farming, I agree with you in that.
I'm glad to see that you are a true vegan, I don't think that makes you better than anyone, if you care about animal rights for me is perfect, but don't kill a spider if you see one, i'm not vegan and I put all spiders that I find on my plants and also stop my friend that try to hurt animals like toads or even moths. When I die I want to give my corpse to the vultures but i'm afraid that worms will eat me.
I've never entered a MacDonalds/BK/etc...
But what you think about synthetic fibers? If I kill a cow to eat isn't better to get also the skin to made clothes? Or even wool that is harmless?
And also... please... I know that I'm an ignorant, but don't think always that I dont know nothing about anything, never. All that information that you got is putting a blindfold on you if you think that you are better than others.
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All products I use are free cruelty. Is possible to use syntetic products to wear without killing animals.
When I was a meat eater I loved it, really do. But there are truths that are hidden behind corps of animals and when I start to aknowledge them I can tell you it was a chock that revolted me in the inside, I cried a lot. The Cargill is just a small example of how the meat industry functions. And the question is not only the enviornement and animal rights. It´s also about human rights and sustainability. If you want, and if you can you can try to see this documentary: [link]
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