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Description I decided to delve even further into other artist's versions of kaiju for this one. Now, the actual Godzilla 2000 is not in here and theres a reason for that. One, there are more versions of Godzilla period then there are of one particular suit. Two, I hate the purple spikes 2000 has so I'd like to distance myself away from it as much as possible, though the head and everything else are fine. Anway, Here are the four I picked based on just being so radically different from each other and all being created after the year 2000, thus 'Godzilla 2000 Study'.

Final Wars Concept Godzilla by Toho:
I personally like this version alot. It's dark, powerful, and generally scary as hell. It has that doom eye look that the GMK Godzilla has but its more refined and it's body isn't really ponderous looking. This version has a pretty athletic build and a solid upright posture that gives it a good degree of presence. The odd thing about FW Concept Godzilla is that he has an element of Burning Godzilla with the red chest. The nose is rather oddly placed, being up near his eyes. He's also a very thorny bastard with clusters of them on the shoulders and rows of them down his legs. Touching this Godzilla is going to hurt. His arms are respectfully beefy and his claws look deadly and powerful. His tail seems a tad on the short side but that may be because of the perspective. This Godzilla has only two rows of spikes and they start rather high on his neck so he kinda got this mowhawk thing going. Generally I like this one and aside from an odd choice in spike placement he's an effective contender.

Godzilla Neo by Matt Frank:
You guys should have known I'd eventually get around to really analyzing this bad boy. The Godzilla that started the 'saurian movement' amongst Godzilla depictions, Godzilla Neo is what happens when you take Godzilla and make him conform to a mostly full dinosaur skeleton structure. His face and neck are perhaps the best parts, that theropod like skull and powerful armored neck and muscled throat are perhaps the most enjoyable things about this Godzilla as we could easily imagine this guy peeking around the corner of Jurassic Park one rainy night. His arms are anchored further down due to his more angled spine yet they are longer and more muscular with the thumb ending up as a dew claw like spike. The waist is where it gets kinda weird with it angled down and back while the legs are still mounted up front. Basically Godzilla Neo is drawn with the same body of most fantasy theropods, giving him slightly stronger prehistoric roots without having him conform to the straight horizontal spine that all real theropods have. He's a mutation after all so it understandable. His legs are thick and stocky but not overly so. Not sure if he could support himself with that leg structure but he's a kaiju so who cares. His feet have three large claws while the fourth is now a miniscule dew claw near his ankle. Moving to the tail, its decidedly gator like with the flat paddle toward the end and razor spines along the top. The spines all kinda cluster near the middle of his back with the largest one over the shoulders rather than in the middle where it usually is. The spines start in three rows down his head and back and converge into one line straight down his tail. I see what you did there Mr. Frank...Putting only one row down the tail to avoid one of the pains of drawing Godzilla, the hilariously tiny rows of spines. Well played sir, well played. This Godzilla has a dark green top and a silver grey belly so it blends the 2000's green with the 1990's and eariler black. A very reptilian eye and that little ear seal the deal and Godzilla Neo is a very acceptable version. Real dinosaur anatomy be damned .

Legend Godzilla by ChaosGhidorah:
ChaosGhidorah takes what made the Heisei era kaiju interesting and builds on it. Basically all his kaiju have powerful legs, heavily built chests, and are thornier than a hedgehog. His version of Godzilla is a good example. First thing you'll notice is that its very muscled and brutish looking with strong legs and a big chest. Notice that I did not say fat legs, there is some serious definition on those legs so he's turned the Heisei trap into a strength in his design work. The face is another odd thing you'll notice. Usually Godzilla has a mix between dinosaur and cat when it comes to his face. Here the cat has been replaced with wolf as he has a very angular snout and big fangs nestled under a large nasal chamber, at least compared to other Godzilla's. It has ears back there somewhere, though you could honestly mistake it for a spike since they are freaking everywhere. Another thing about his Godzilla is that it is absolutely lathered in spikes, they are absolutely everywhere from his head all the way to the tip of his tail. Touching this Godzilla will send you to the emergency ward with multiple puncture wounds. The belly is the only place there are no spikes, its a smooth reptilian texture and light gray as opposed the slate black of his hide. The eyes are similar to the GMK's but whether he's blind, partially blind or just under high tension everyday is anyone's guess. His spines are normal by Godzilla standards. Overall all a very powerful build and edgy style with this one.

Genesis Godzilla by Tyzilla33191
The Genesis series is slow in coming with only a couple monsters having been seen. Anguirus and Godzilla being the most looked over and redesigned. This is the current style of Genesis Godzilla, at least for right now. While ChaosGhidorah seemed to meld some Heisei into his designs, Tyzilla has elements of Showa in his. Genesis Godzilla has big intelligent eyes that just ooze character. My sketch here doesn't really do the head justice as its disproportionate to its body so thats why it looks rather funky here. Anyway, the classic muzzle is back as is the tri-chambered chest and the stocky legs. Though they aren't bulging with excess skin like the Heisei versions so thats good. The arms are nice and long so he could do so interesting stuff with those. The spikes are whats different with this one. The head spines are actually clustered spikes that run down his neck and then become the standard three rows of spines that we're used to seeing. This Godzilla is very solid and has elements of that old school charm for those who can appreciate it.

So many designs, each with their own style and merits...I could just go with the normal Godzilla 2000 and just change the spine colors. I can't use him as is though because I fucking hate the purple spikes. Let me repeat that for clarity: I FUCKING HATE THE PURPLE SPIKES!!! There, I've said it, now the rest of him was fine but seriously, purple? Purple and green do not look good, unless you still live in the 70's, which defeats the purpose of a millenium look in the first place. There are probably some of you that like the color. I like the design of the spikes themselves but the color must go. I don't care if they're black or tinted red or bone white like they used to be. I'm not having purple, it can go crawl in a hole and die. It's too close to pink for my comfort...god I think I just blinded myself. Anway, I'll probably take the best features of all of them and combine them into a new Hybrid Millenium Godzilla, how's that strike you? You fellow Godzilla fans get to help me with this so tell me the pro's and cons of the versions featured here or what you think is important in a Millenium Godzilla.

-RenDragonClaw
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JacobSpencerKaiju79 In reply to ??? [2008-09-17 05:25:06 +0000 UTC]

Go for it, it works with Monsturra.

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StragtheHedgehog [2008-09-16 19:04:50 +0000 UTC]

I like the two on the left better: Legend Godzilla and FW concept Goji. I like the way Matt Frank drew his Godzilla, but I never exactly became a large fan of the design. I'm not going to question you on why you hate the purple spikes, but i'm gonna say.... they look better than the plain looking Heisei spikes .

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RenDragonClaw In reply to StragtheHedgehog [2008-09-16 19:31:43 +0000 UTC]

I probably over reacted about the purple spikes. The color combination just strikes me as...well...wrong. A shade or two darker, more of a deep royal purple and it would have been fine. The purple he usually has though is boarding on pink and nobody wants that.

The overall body shape of the two on the left and one of the bottom right are classic Godzilla builds. Godzilla Neo is kinda like the pariah of the group, just doing his own thing. So he'll probably be upright in my Hybrid version.

-RenDragonClaw

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StragtheHedgehog In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-16 22:35:06 +0000 UTC]

I totally agree!! His latest models make his spikes look pink (especially Godzilla vs Megaguirus). Your right about that, they do need to make the purple darker. Pink spikes is what they should be using for a female Godzilla .

I think I like the Legend Godzilla version the best now, mostly because of the evil eyes and the wolf snout.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to StragtheHedgehog [2008-09-16 23:37:54 +0000 UTC]

I don't mind the wolf snout but I've heard alot of opinions against having him look evil persay. It's apparently not in his character to be demonic/undead/evil and slanted, pupilless eyes give that impression. Going by popular opinion I'd probably go with something both intelligent and animalistic for the eyes.

-RenDragonClaw

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StragtheHedgehog In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-17 10:31:12 +0000 UTC]

I just like it when he has those evil-like eyes cause it makes him look mean. I have nothing against Godzilla looking evil like everyone else. Overall, the wolf snout is very unique.

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Scatha-the-Worm In reply to ??? [2008-09-16 19:01:35 +0000 UTC]

I would have to say Ty's is the best one. I love Matts, and Chaos' is cool, and that concept art is fasinating-but, for a base for 2000, Ty's is the best, to me at least.

If you would like...well, advice is to strong a word...a suggestion? A mix of some of these features would work extreamely well, and he should probably have pupils if you want him to look intellegent.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to Scatha-the-Worm [2008-09-16 19:39:18 +0000 UTC]

Tyzilla's is very classic Showa in a lot of ways. Upright posture, reptilian cat muzzle and thick stocky legs all go back to the original Godzilla. I didn't draw him as well as I could have but he's generally all there.

Mixing features is essentially what I've been doing ever since I started these studies. Draw out existing versions, take the best features from all of them, and merge them into a version that most people can agree with. The trick is figuring out which features are good and which aren't. Thats where you fellow fans come in and tell me.

Like the eyes for instance. A lot of people aren't too happy about a pupil-less Godzilla so I'm planning something along the lines of the Heisei for his eyes.

-RenDragonClaw

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GREGOLE [2008-09-16 18:43:40 +0000 UTC]

>> I liked the purple spikes. I think that if they're done right, green and purple can look lovely together. It would've helped if they were darker, yes, but still.

That aside, this is what I think one should do when regarding Godzilla.

Godzilla is a giant monster before all else. His character should NEVER be sacrificed for the sake of looking like a dinosaur - my main problem with various redesigns.

On the opposite end, he IS still a dinosaur, and though he's also a very unique one, he should still feel like one - my other problem with Heisei Godzilla.

The retro-theropod approach is best, I think. A somewhat saurian body, but with his classic barrel, tri-chambered chest and simian arms. Keep it upright and towering, but don't be afraid to make the legs digitigrade - but still massive. The 2000 suit did a good job with this, but without the obstacle of the suit issue, it can be improved upon. If I didn't suck at his face, I'd do up my own design.

Muscle is the key. All my favorite Godzillas keep a measure of agility, so once again, the neo/2000 base is the best to work with. Slow and lumbering, but not so cumbersome that he can't suddenly lash out with shocking speed.

I never liked Heisei's blunt-ended tail. I think keeping the 2000 suit's crocodile-style tail is best, maybe enlarging the spines at the end to give him a quasi-fluke, again, like a crocodile.

Now, the spiky, dark green skin texture and HUGE, jagged spines are largely what define the 2000 suit. I say, keep them. While I myself would still make the spines dark purple at the center before tapering into grey and bone-white, you could easily skip it altogether and go for a mixture of grey and white. Bone sheathed in horn.

As for the head... Look, I'm gonna straight up and say it: I hate Godzillas with white demon-eyes. Godzilla simply isn't a demon. He isn't evil, he isn't malevolent, and he sure as fuck aint undead. He's an animal turned force of nature. His eyes should be animal, but also reflect intelligence. Admittedly, the 2000 suit did a pretty bad job of that. I would go with the Heisei eyes.

Now, another thing that defines the 2000 suit is the reptilian snout. I say play on that, but blend it with the Heisei or Neo designs too. Just try to find that perfect blend of reptile and feline. The neo design did a pretty good job, but it could still be a lot better. Enlarge the teeth, make them a double-row, and give him all twelve of the 2000 suit's fangs. And don't be afraid to give him the classic, feline, divided muzzle that the Heisei and Showa suits had.

I wouldn't shy away from making him more dinosaur-like, but keep one thing in mind: He's a retro-dinosaur. He looks best as one. The heavy, firm legs, large dragging tail and smaller head give him a bottom-heavy, stable, surprisingly plausible appearance.

Oh, and the ears. You gotta have those cute, almost invisible little ears.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to GREGOLE [2008-09-16 19:20:15 +0000 UTC]

I had a feeling you knew your stuff. Wow, I get the feeling I'll make quite a few enemies if I screw this up .

I remember you saying something about the Neo's body being unstable or something but you never went into detail why. I'd kinda like to know. The body should be pretty simple, mostly upright with powerful digitigrade legs underneath and the tail swinging down behind him, gator fluke and all.

Agree with you about the eyes. The only time Godzilla's eyes are one color is when they're glowing and he's using his Atomic Breath. Though you gotta wonder about Ghost Godzilla and possibly Kiryu and whether they are possible exceptions to that.

Skin color is doable. Godzilla 2000 is known for being green despite the cover art so I can probably work with that.I wondered about FW Concept's red chest but I suppose if he's not going meltdown on us than it shouldn't be there. I was thinking of actually having them either tinted red or glowing red in the final pic but I suppose I could relent and make it a reddish purple. The color combo still strikes me funny but if its that important to his character I can try to make it work.

The head is going to be the crux of this whole thing. I probably should have checked for more pics of him. Cat and lizard, cat and dinosaur, it might be a tough mix but I think I should be able to come up with something that satisfies both. And of course the ears, mustn't forget the ears .

-RenDragonClaw

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GREGOLE In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-16 21:20:59 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, I don't really agree with my own thoughts on the G-neo Godzilla.

It's a little too forward slung for my taste, but honestly, it's not bad.

Still, Matt posted some kickass paintings he found on the web, and one of them included a superb Godzilla. I think basing it on that build might be a good idea.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to GREGOLE [2008-09-16 23:32:10 +0000 UTC]

You mean the Uchusen posters of awesome? Yeah, I like those too and thats quite a Godzilla he had there. I could look into that and see how it floats. By the way, an extra thing concerning the eyes, what was your opinion of the Neo's eyes? I'd like to know just how savage/intellgent I should go.

-RenDragonClaw

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The-Great-MM [2008-09-16 18:39:11 +0000 UTC]

Think I like Ty's the best. Not a fan of the GFW design or the concept art, Matt's... no comment, and I never saw the pic of Legend Godzilla. Good work though.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to The-Great-MM [2008-09-16 19:24:11 +0000 UTC]

If you have concerns regarding the Neo's design I'd like to know. Any cons and pros for any of the Godzilla designs would help a lot, really. If you don't feel like sharing on the deviation you could always send me a note.

-RenDragonClaw

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The-Great-MM In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-17 04:39:21 +0000 UTC]

Well, I don't like to make my opinions on Matt's work public, at least on DA, but I can make an exception. Before I do, let me say that he is and awesome artist, I'm not attacking him or his skill, but am criticizing his own design.

I can't say there's much about his Godzilla I like. The arms are too short, the legs are far to dinosaur-like, and the head just doesn't look right. The neck is WAY too long and looks like a prime weakness for any other monster to exploit. The only part of the design I can honestly say I like is the spines.

I could probably go on, but enough people here have heard me in one way or another express my distaste for several of his redesigns, and with the feud with Gregole that was recently ended, I don’t feel like making any more by overly bashing a highly praised series unless confronted by Matt himself.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to The-Great-MM [2008-09-17 05:20:46 +0000 UTC]

Fair enough, looking over it with a more critical eye recently has made me aware to some general oddness in its body structure. I kinda perfered his eariler Godzilla designs as they felt more like Godzilla. I honestly feel the same way regarding his Rodan as it looks far too frail to be an effective close quarter combatant as Rodan has traditionally been depicted.

All things point toward an upright body structure, large arms, and maybe only slightly saurian legs. Perhaps making the ankle joint not not pulled so far back could allow it to be a solid leg and digitrigrade at the same time. Something to muse over later. I'll also keep the neck issue in mind.

I've figured out the hard way that I'm not educated enough about kaiju to actually debate design with Mr. Frank. Apparently comparing kaiju to real life animals, in a negative context, is an extremely ignorant perspective. I still love his work and I envy his line quality but I'd rather keep my distance from him personally. So I think I understand a little bit about were your coming from.

-RenDragonClaw

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The-Great-MM In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-17 07:53:07 +0000 UTC]

Well, as I said, Matt is a highly talented artist, but I just can't bring myself to say some of his designs are above decent. I'll admit his Jet Jaguar, Manda, Kamacuras, Kumonga, Ebirah, and Giga Moth do kick a fair amount of ass, but what he did with some of the kaiju is downright inexcusable. That’s all I have to say about the Neo kaiju series. Anybody that still remains curious on the matter can drop me a note.

The best way to do Godzilla, IMO, is do not lose the fact that he’s suppose to be a monster, not a dinosaur or lizard. I see no reason why one should make him hunched over, give him dino-style legs, or any of that junk. Take the best elements from the best suits and throw in some of your own style (like the radiation burn scars on version’s). In my own view, the Heisei Godzilla, especially the 1989 version, was the best Godzilla seen with the ’54 following close up. Why? Because they had the bulk that screamed power. They actually looked like they could go through anything and come out alive. Most of the millennium designs, ESPECIALLY GFW, just lacked this completely. GFW looked like he could be snapped in two with relative ease. While we know this isn’t the case, the design and look of the kaiju should mirror the power of the monster. The bigger and more powerful, the larger the body and bulk. The weaker they are, the smaller and skinnier they are. We’ve all seen how weak Godzillas turn out *coughG’98cough*. Then there’s also the pure fact that it’s just hard to imagine a skinnier Godzilla doing half of the awesome stuff Heisei did. Take the volcano scene in Godzilla vs. Biollante…

Can you imagine if GFW or Matt’s Godzilla emerged from the volcano? Would it look as awesome?

I don’t think so. Making the kaiju smaller just won’t allow you to pull off some kick ass imagery like that. Trying to do anything bad ass like that with a skinnier kaiju, Godzilla or not, is going to look like another anime cliché ripped straight out of post-Eva show, and the only reason I say that is because most redesigns I see look like they’d fit in better with an anime than an actual movie, be it Toho uses CGI or suitmation. The design of the kaiju may seem good, but it has to be placed in every scene the owner wishes, and you’re not going to pull off many awesome jaw dropping scenes with a skinny dinozilla. And as I said, having Godzilla then jumping around and ripping throats out isn’t Godzilla anymore, it’s just another fan-made kaiju that semi-looks like and is named Godzilla and wishes it was fighting an Evangelion unit.

Kinda’ going off topic now, but can you imagine if Destoroyah was skinny in 1995? Yeah, I can see the complaints on the tiny arms, but when you’re loaded with so many powerful weapons, did he really need them? Not like he could do much with his fingers anyway. But back on track, make Destoroyah skinny or mobile… You just lost everything that made Destoroyah cool. He and Godzilla were the unstoppable force vs. unmovable object. Dessy-T was the biggest bad guy around, literally. Making him more mobile, giving him a high degree in tooth and claw fighting… Is just stupid. It defeats the entire purpose of what Destoroyah was. If opponents ever got near anyway, he had the Laser Horn, a weapon with more potential than any other that comes to mind when it comes to redesigns.

Only used Destoroyah to further my point on making beefier kaiju like Godzilla skinny. Could have used any, but Dessy-T is my 3rd favorite kaiju, so it came natural. Also don’t get me wrong, I would LOVE to see a Godzilla anime, but you can be sure I would be begging every God there ever was/is that they wouldn’t use one of the fan-made dinozillas and actually made Godzilla upright, bulky, and powerful looking. I’m also not saying every fan redesign of Godzilla has been a ninjasaurus Rex. Tyzilla’s, while not my most favored of his designs, does remain one of my more favored designs a fan has given to Goji. There’s far too many redesigns to really list out what I don’t like and what I do, but as I said, don’t lose what actually made Godzilla a walking juggernaut in the first place.

Man, this really turned out longer than I imagined. Well, guess I should call it there. Half of it probably doesn’t really involve the hybrid design much, but more or less just me getting that all out of my system. I mean, it’s your own design, and I suspect you have different tastes and also disagree with some of my own views, Hell, I can imagine some throwing rotten tomatoes right now because I said I don’t care for the Neo series. So yeah, just remember this isn’t meant to be some personal attack against any specific person or design, just my own opinion and my own tastes on what Godzilla should be. If you like ninjazilla or dinozilla, fine and dandy, but don’t expect me to come praising it, no matter if it gets a billion favorites and a dozen comments per second. I’m also not expecting everyone to be keen on my views that Godzilla should be bulky. I’m also not expecting for everyone to warm up to the idea my Godzilla has radiation burn scars, lacks regeneration, is blind in one eye, and has virtually no nervous system. Well, I said it was called earlier, but I guess is the true end. So yeah… Just nobody take this the wrong way, just one fan’s opinion.

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RenDragonClaw In reply to The-Great-MM [2008-09-17 08:53:02 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry...its not like I'm going to sound the call for a lynch mob just because you think classic Godzilla elements are important. I don't necessarily believe most goofy and absolutely ridiculess kaiju should stay that way to perserve their character like Gregole does but I don't think he's wrong in that opinion either. I actually wanted to turn Jet Jaguar into a Guyver like badass at first but I realized that it would probably offend a lot of his fans. So I tried to keep as much of that sentai silliness as possible. A bit of my own taste slipped in there though so whether or not he's as colorful on the inside as he is one the outside is debatable.

I think the ninjazilla thing started to really become a problem when Zilla appeared bearing the Godzilla name like he owned it. Veteran fans layed waves of scorn on it like the wrath of god while newer, more impressionable fans thought 'cool, a Godzilla that can run and eat people and shit'. After everything settled down somewhat and those newer fans had done some half way decent research on what they hell they were fans of, they started to blend the two ideas. Enter ninjazilla, dinozilla and his good friend demonzilla.

Toho of course tried to keep up with this surge of new blood (as well as show them what a real Godzilla looked like). Of course, when it comes to fans, Toho inevitably got it wrong. The result was Godzilla 2000, which was actually a fairly decent blend while sticking to most core concepts. It just went down hill from there... He fights Megaguirus and his spikes are almost pink and he's catching bee stingers in his teeth. Next he's a possessed dinosaur hell bent on destruction. That didn't fair so well so now he's gonna fight Mechagodzilla...again. Except now he's gotten denser then a brick and can't fight his way out of a paper bag. Fans cry about a depowered Godzilla and Toho overreacts with Final Wars, hoping the eye candy, matrix style madness, and sheer idiocy will keep the fans entertained long enough for them to get their shit together and figure out what the fuck they're doing.

I think I got a pretty keen idea now about what Godzilla is and isn't. He's a monster, plain in simple. Presence is key, and everything goes toward enhancing that presence. Hopefully I'll get around to creating the Hybrid tomorrow and after further evaluation, the SD.

*side note* Whats this I here about almost no nervous system? You mean he's pain dead or that he doesn't have synaptic movement at all? I'm kinda having a hard time picturing that so a explaination would be good. Now that I think about it, a pain dead Godzilla would be VERY hardcore.

-RenDragonClaw

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The-Great-MM In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-09-17 15:19:58 +0000 UTC]

For the first part for the classic elements, yeah, I agree that for some kaiju, it would be fine to change some stuff around. For example: Showa Gigan vs. GFW Gigan. Two completely different designs for the same kaiju. He's not really a universally known kaiju, the only things he truly needs to remain Gigan are blade hands, red visor eye, Mohawk of spikes/blades, three fins, mandibles and beak, and abdomen saw. Like GFW did with Gigan, I've been trying to do with Megalon and having mixed results. Megalon is a prime example of one of the hardest kaiju to redesign. Period. I don't want him to lose what made him Megalon (drills, bug based, etc), but trying to not make him look goofy as Hell. Redesigning goofy kaiju like Gigan and Megalon can be some of the hardest. There's times when I don't like a kaiju because it doesn't look much like the original and doesn't keep what made the original cool... and there's the 2nd where the design just looks stupid and/or bad. Case in point: Trendmasters Megalon, Iris from G3, Krystalak from G:U, Monster X, and many more that I'm just too lazy to list. If you redesign a kaiju and it doesn’t look much like the original because it lost too much and is also a bad design period… It’s a massive fiasco.

G2K does remain one of my favored designs though. It probably seems extremely hypocritical, but it was also released in the US at the same time where I really began to turn into a hardcore fan. Was a fan since I was a kid (before '98), but just never was a hardcore one until then. GXM, yeah, not my style. I liked the fact GMK tried some new stuff with a bulky kaiju, and GXMG and GFW are far from my favorites. GFW is my 2nd most hated design for Godzilla (movies only), surpassed only with the one used in Son of Godzilla (Felt that one just looked dumb).

I had never thought of what you had said, with the '98 fans and all, and I guess I can be the same way at times. I grew up with, for the most part, the bulky Godzilla. The skinniest Godzilla I had seen as a kid was the ones from the 1970's, and while not as bulk as the originals or what followed, you can still tell he's a big bigger when compared to Titano and KC. I also grew up with the original redesign series: Trendmasters. I often see older fans bashing their designs, such as Ang and Gigan. I can see where they're coming from, but some (not all) of the designs have often been some of my favorites simply because it is what I had grown up on. And as I said before, G2K, the movie that came out as I really became a hardcore fan.

As for my Godzilla, he feels no pain. The radiation that surges through his body virtually killed every nerve in his body. I figured giving him the no nerves thing and near impenetrable skin (better than GMK's even) would be a decent substitute for Godzilla's regeneration. Only did that because so many of my other monsters had regeneration, it wasn't a real point with the original '54 Godzilla, and I don't think it's been done with fanzillas. I wanted my Goji to be dark like the original and the '80s ones, but not demonzilla like the GMK one. I admit I liked the white eye thing in GMK and is the reason I had made my Godzilla blind in one eye, but I think it should have had a better reason other than "Oh, Godzilla's possessed now. He needs white eyes."

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The-Great-MM In reply to The-Great-MM [2008-09-17 04:49:47 +0000 UTC]

Add into this, I had forgotten, if you can't tell from the description of my own Godzilla I had sent you, I feel he (and pretty much all kaiju) should have a decent amount of bulk. I truly can't stand when someone redesigns Godzilla in a fashion that makes him look like he'd be running in circles and leaping over buildings in a single hop. That's not what the original was and not what the future ones should be.

Don't get me wrong though, I still like some speedy kaiju. King Caesar '74 remains my 2nd favorite kaiju and I also like Titanosaurus and Gorosaurus, but making Godzilla some sort of speed demon or fast monster that hops and runs, is like making King Caesar the size of Godzilla 1985.

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TyrantisTerror In reply to ??? [2008-09-16 13:28:07 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, I say Godzilla Neo's head (perhaps with a slight influence from Tyzilla's Godzilla Genesis's head), Godzilla Genesis's build for the body, Godzilla FW Concept's spike shape with the more standard arrangement (i.e. big main row and smaller side rows), and ChaosGhidorah's spineyness (excepts maybe a little toned down).

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RenDragonClaw In reply to TyrantisTerror [2008-09-16 18:48:06 +0000 UTC]

Godzilla FW Concept's body is pretty darn spiky without going really overboard like in ChaosGhidorah's case.I can actually see the individual rows and what not. Only thing I really wonder about is the red chest and whether I should include that or not.

I've always liked Godzilla Neo's head but I don't want to blatantly copy it. I could probably try showing a similar skull structure and it would have a similar effect. I don't know exactly what elements of Genesis Godzilla to add ontop of that. The layered cat muzzle and the dino skull kinda cancel each other out except for the snout on the end. The eyes could be added and the hedge row of spines is visible with most of them so they'd probably make it in there somehow.

I could make the spines a mixture between Neo's and FW Concept's. Having three layers down the head and back and have single one go down the tail. I'll wait to see how others feel about the shape of the spines themselves. That three pointed leaf look is pretty iconic.

-RenDragonClaw

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MindManipulator [2008-09-16 06:37:15 +0000 UTC]

out of all the ones, or angles you drew up there, my favorite is the one in the upper left hand corner, it just seems more detailed. great job though

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RenDragonClaw In reply to MindManipulator [2008-09-16 06:52:59 +0000 UTC]

I really liked the approach they did with him to. It's a shame the Final Wars suit looks nothing like it. Thanks for the input.

-RenDragonClaw

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koth54321 In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-11-21 04:24:16 +0000 UTC]

final wars was a good outfit but its only my 3rd favorite costume because you can see the dudes head bulging in the neck

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RenDragonClaw In reply to koth54321 [2008-11-21 05:01:51 +0000 UTC]

Really now? Never really noticed, any particular scene where it was most visible?

-RenDragonClaw

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koth54321 In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-11-22 15:39:05 +0000 UTC]

try on the back of the dvd case im looking at it now an the part where he roars after he is out of the ice

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RenDragonClaw In reply to koth54321 [2008-11-22 18:29:07 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm...He does have a bulging noggin back there now doesn't he. That is really weird.

-RenDragonClaw

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koth54321 In reply to RenDragonClaw [2008-11-23 03:28:41 +0000 UTC]

yep. i prefer the 90s better.

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