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People often get the sense of being ignored in the art-scene, especially here online. We all try so hard to get our foot in the door, it's like trying to stuff yourself in an overfull bus like a sardine in a can.
Sometimes you just want to socialize with other artists you admire and you seem to be talking into a brick wall or perhaps you've send your portfolio to a company over a dozen times and still don't even seem to get the smallest response or feedback. I will try and tell you WHY you get ignored and HOW you can get noticed instead.
I will go through the following cases of being ignored: Your comment.
Your art.
Your Portfolio.
Do know, that even though being ignored feels very personal it's hardly ever personal at all!
Your comment(s) gets ignored.It happens ever so often. You notice an artwork or a discussion and you weigh in with your opinion or admiration, perhaps even some feedback? There is a whole list of reasons why you can get ignored in such cases.
- Is your comment simply reconfirming what someone else already said? Either just post: I agree with "name" or don't comment at all, unless you got something new to add.
- Is your comment shorter than 4 words? When someone gets dozens of comments, they often have to pick which ones to reply to and which ones not to. The most insightful ones will be the ones that get a reply.
- Is you comment a whole essay? Everyone appreciated nice long comments... perhaps up to 10 sentences. Beyond that is usually TMTR (To much to read). So keep it within boundaries.
- In case of feedback, are you giving reasons and suggestions on improvement, or just simply naming the mistakes? Feedback only works when you're nice about it and are able to explain why and how they can do better.
Here is some tips for approaching artists you admire with a comment or note in a way that will make them reply: Don't idolize them to much. This will make them uncomfortable. It also seems like you put yourself below them in some way. We're all equals.. and we like to communicate as such.
When you ask them questions you are basically asking them to spend some time for you to help you out. So in that case make sure you have given them something beforehand that gets you in their good graces. You're more likely to get help or answers when they feel like you're not just person nr 100 who wants something from them.
While it's perfectly fine for you to approach them as equals. They are not you best pal's (yet) so try and be normal and be careful with friendly jokes.
Don't talk smack about other artists as a way of befriending someone. Not everybody likes each other out there, but these are no opening topics. Basically don't ever talk smack.
How to compliment an artist so that you totally rock!
Every nice comment is appreciated such as: Nice work, Great lighting, Awesome colors etc.
The only reply (if you even get one) would be: thank you!
A comment that rocks is build out if 3 parts.
Part 1: The main praise: Nice work, Awesome work, great work etc.
Part 2: The explanation: Your anatomy skills are outstanding, your lighting is done incredible, your storytelling is really compelling etc.
Part 3: The question! (this will make you get a reply) How did you train to get this good? How do you approach setting up the lighting in your work? Do you make thumbnails before getting to such an image? etc
So a good example would be:
"Amazing creature design! I thought these were totally adorable in the movie, their personality is so cute and devious at the same time. Did you do a lot of different variation sketches before getting to this one? I would love to see it if you're allowed to show."
Your art gets ignored.There is such a vast amount of artwork online it's like little shells on a beach. When you see them all laying there, even though they're all different and unique, you can't seem to linger on any one of them, until you see that bigger one with he rare shape. This basically means your work need to be different from others so that you stand out more. different how?
- Different topic.
- Different technique or medium.
- Different style.
- Or simply outstanding skill.
If you art gets ignored it doesn't mean it's bad art it simply means it's not rare enough. Making something that's truly admirable is hard. People that make admirable artwork more than once or twice get lucky and usually stay quite popular even if other work they post is of less significance, they already conquered the eye of the beholder.
So when you post your artwork you do this with certain expectations. Will people like it? (In my opinion you should always make your personal artwork so that you personally like it, if other people do as well it's only a bonus) By asking yourself these questions you can discover if perhaps there are ways to improve your work so that maybe other people can appreciate it as you do Is it pleasing for the eye? Colors that don't work well together or the wrong use of values can really throw people off. As well as unclear compositions or a wobbly technique. (This takes a lot of practice to don't be to hard on yourself if you cannot manage that yet).
Is it something that's not seen this way before? Let say you painted a viking warrior. there are plenty of versions out there where they are posing with an ax or sword, or screaming while going berserk. Usually incredibly muscular and wearing a helmet with horns. This is pretty cliche and on get's noticed when done with outstanding skills or done by an already popular artist.
Give him a different outfit design, perhaps he's not that crazy muscular. Set him in a different scene, maybe he's resting while polishing a spear-tip while enemies lurk from a distance.
- Alter the design.
- alter the situation/storytelling.
This would be ace! Paint-styles is like fashion. Every season has it's own popular style/technique and this shifts now and then. So either totally own this technique while it's still popular or deviate from it by doing something unique and different. Now that is pretty hard
Well done fan art. this always wins
Basta!
(And this one from Diablo 3 rocks in particular! The storytelling is really cool and I love seeing these heroes in a "after combat" situation)
Your portfolio get's ignored.Now this is one of the most annoying of all, especially if you rely on income through your art.
The same things apply here as they did with the reasons why your art get's ignored. But there is more. Is your portfolio showing to many different skills? (graphic design, concept art, illustration, 3D modeling, black belt karate and great swimmer etc. Simply adjust your portfolio depending on the client you send it too.
Is your portfolio actually showing that you can bring something new to the table? If you have a concept art portfolio and you only show cliche things that look awesome but are not innovative companies are not likely going to hire you. concept art is not only about skill but mostly about ideas. Astonish them with your broad sense of imagination.
Always start with showing your best image. No text no nothing, just your best image. (Your CV should contain all the text. Portfolio should just be a few of your best images)
In fact here is a whole journal about making a good portfolio:
Where to get started before you can apply for workThere is no such thing as suddenly knowing when you are ready to turn yourpassion into your profession. But there is a way of measuring your chances on beingable to get work and eventually sustain a living from it.
Accepting commissions or freelance for low payment won't help you. You can think any penny counts, but it will lower the worth of your work and damage the market. :bulletblue: How to measure that you are ready? You probably have high goals, but they are usually not your first step. You must search out the clients who can be that first step. Often found in the card game industry, book cover illustrations and smaller game co...
In the end, some people simply ignore you because of the lack of time or will to reply. This is yet again not something against you. Others simply don't see a reason why they would even have to reply (these are usually the people that don't really read the comments either but perhaps scroll through them a bit) they are not mean or evil, they simply have other priorities. (Like maybe making more art!)
Let me know if you have any questions or remarks. (Feel free to send me a Note about my grammar or English and I will gladly edit my mistakes.)
All my other journals:
The 5 bullshit myths of concept art.Concept art is getting bigger and bigger. More people know what it is nowadays, it gets shown in the media more often and more books get released. This automatically results into more people wanting to become concept artists. So many artschools are now creating special courses all towards game art or concept art. (Game art can also include UI design, 3D modeling etc.).Yet it is a fairly new thing to most people and the idea of "becoming a concept artist" has grown rapidly over such a short time that a lot of people who are new to it seem to get a lot of misguide info. I am going to try to list this misguided info and direct you to the corr...
Are you on the right track? + Fuck Talent!Am I on the right track?This is a thing people often wonder and think it's a complicated to find out, but it is actually pretty simple. It's a different question you need to ask yourself based on different topics.As for: Fuck talent! You'll find it if you scroll down :P :bulletblue: Topic 1: Am I on the right track to becoming a better artist? Does your work from today, look closer to your initial goal than your work from last week? (this needs to be both in skill and idea.):bulletgreen: Good skills: Honing your technique, training you muscle memory, being more knowledgeable about your tools and art rules. With art rules I mean:...
How to win Art-contests! (+ Caldyra winners!)Let me start by saying how incredibly happy I am with all these amazing and inspiring entries! This definitely calls for doing another such contest soon!
Most of you have really tried their best and it shows! I couldn't have asked for better or more, choosing the winners among these was already aching my brains.
This journal will show the winners and the special mentions but also a bit about how to higher your changes on winning contests (maybe good for the next one).
This was my contest for those interested:
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Accepting commissions or freelance for low payment won't help you. You can think any penny counts, but it will lower the worth of your work and damage the market. :bulletblue: How to measure that you are ready? You probably have high goals, but they are usually not your first step. You must search out the clients who can be that first step. Often found in the card game industry, book cover illustrations and smaller game co...
This is why you (and your art) get ignored.People often get the sense of being ignored in the art-scene, especially here online. We all try so hard to get our foot in the door, it's like trying to stuff yourself in an overfull bus like a sardine in a can.
Sometimes you just want to socialize with other artists you admire and you seem to be talking into a brick wall or perhaps you've send your portfolio to a company over a dozen times and still don't even seem to get the smallest response or feedback. I will try and tell you WHY you get ignored and HOW you can get noticed instead.I will go through the following cases of being ignored:
:bulletgreen: Your comment.
:bulletgreen: Your a...
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https://www.fac...
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How to deal with or get feedback.Getting feedback or critiques may be hard for people.Some people want it really bad but can't seem to get it, at least not from the people he/she is hoping for.And other get it all the time but feel a little attacked or bullied by it.Pretty much anyone with eyes and some intelligence is able to spot mistakes or irregularities in someone's work. This person doesn't have to be more skilled than you. However, this person... might be wrong.... :bulletpurple: How do you judge a critique?You initially made your artwork according to the knowledge you currently have. Leaving room for mistakes in the elements you're not trained or knowledgeable ...
So tired of not achieving what you want?So tired of not achieving what you want?:thumb351497375:Everyone has something they really want dearly, a career, to have a certain loved one, to be able to make certain things...The most common one among us artist are:- I want to be able to draw better- I want to be able to draw like "this"person.- I want to earn money with my drawing.- I want to be able to draw what I imagine in my head.- I want more people to appreciate my art.- I want more feedback from artists I admire.- I want more..- I want better....All this wanting.. dreaming of... hoping for.How about doing it!! With these sort of "wants", it's a matter of DOING IT!How? You ask?T...
Avoid getting ripped off by a client.As a freelancer most of your business takes place online, which makes it really easyfor people to rip you off. How many times have we seen the following scenario's:1- Someone offers a descent payment for your artwork but wants you to do an art-test first.after the art-test you're being told you're not good enough. Later you find out that other peoplegot to do different art-test topics and also weren't good enough. The client clearly ripped people off to get free artwork.2- Someone offers good money for your artwork. The sketch gets approved so you continue working. Right when it's done the total image suddenly becomes a great disappointmen...
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What if people think it's shit? What if they think it's weird... what will they think? Will that reflect on how they think of me as a person?I know what some of you are thinking right now... 'You should care less about what people think of you or you art.'
In a sense you are right.. than again, you SHOULD care what people think of you and your art! They are your market and potential clients.
It's easier when you're already doing your dream job and couldn't care less for other potential directions... but ...
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Timing fucking matters.Time does a lot of things, it makes you older, it gets you to places, it never stops going forward. However you control when and how you use it!Everyone makes choices on a daily bases, most of them are actually done with your auto-pilot function out of habit. Most people usually sit in the same spot on the couch, chooses what to wear based on previously made combinations and so on, unless they consciously become aware of their action and might decide it's time for a change. It can be a small thing that makes people aware of their options
You can count that pretty much every person out there works like this and YOU often depend on THEIR cho...
Things I learned at: The Industry Workshops 2014Holy shit amazeballs... this past weekend....
But let me start of by shortly telling you what the industry workshops actually were.
(The artwork in this journal are from some of the lecturers.) :bulletblue: What is: #IW_14? The Industry workshops took place last weekend August 29 to 31 2014, at 2 venues both located at Hoxton Square, London United Kingdom.
It was organized and hosted by a group of industry professionals in the fields of concept art, matte painting and illustration in film, games and freelance.
Let me name the people that profited the lectures and demo's from 10 in the morning to 8 in the evening, ending with a 1+ hour QA...
When inspiration is far to be found...We all get these anoying times when we really want to make something cool, get inspired and work that magic. We see everyone around us (online) do it, but how come we are not?
So we look for ways to get inspired, we ask around, find these usual answers: go watch a film, listen to music.. take a walk...But even when we do that, we still end up stuck most of the time.
Part of the solution is knowing WHY we get stuck and this is my theory.:bulletblue: ADT - Attention Deficit Trait.
'Experiencing an inner frenzy of distractability, impatience, difficulty in setting priorities, staying focused and managing time. Those are our biggest enemies as...
A simple guide on: Commissioning an Artist.It's often not as simple as one wants it to be when both artist and client want it to be: Cost efficient, time efficient and quality efficient.
I've often spend my time discussing the best way to handle commissions with clients and artist friends that I came to the conclusion that clarity and understanding is key.
I will divide the guidelines I work with based on 3 commission types.
:bulletblue: Character commissions.
:bulletblue: Book covers ( or illustrations)
:bulletblue: Concept art.Reading all 3 parts will give you the full scope as a lot of it applies to one another as well.:bulletgreen: Character commissions.:bulletblue: 1. Referenc...
The Key to keeping yourself motivated properly.Let me start off with telling you what motivation is and why you need it.A motivation is a reason behind doing something a certain way to work yourself up to a certain goal. Just having a goal but no understanding of how to get there, means you have no way to motivate yourself and your goal will be hard to reach. Therefore motivation is needed desperately in order to become truly good at something.The motivation to eat is the feeling for hunger and the end goal of ending the hunger and feeling healthy and energized. This type of motivation is a feeling. Which brings me to: Intrinsic motivation and Extrinsic motivation.Shortly explained: ...
How fear motivates my art.:bulletred: When I first saw Jurassic Park in 1993 I was four years old. The animatronics they build had me convinced real and the cinematography was amazing. All from the toilet scene to the dismembered arm to the kitchen scare had me high on adrenaline. This was the first time I had felt scared enough to pee my pants but I loved it! The fact that these dinosaurs were scaring me was the same reason why I was so fascinated by them. The oldest toys I can remember were tiny plastic dinosaurs and my bed sheets had a lovely 'Land before time.' print on it. Every day of my childhood life was dedicated to dinosaurs (and perhaps a bit of Indiana...
Tenacity is your ultimate super power!100 no's and 1 yes means YES! :P Applying for jobs in the art/commercial industry is not hard you simply need to know what to do and how to do it.
(Concept artist, Illustrator, 3D artist, UI designer, Mattepainter, SFX artist, Lightingartist, Designer.) Often when I have a back and forth with artists 'trying to break through' I ask them where they applied and with what. A common respond usually indicates they send out their personal portfolio to 1-5 places at the most. This is exactly what I did as well when I tried the first time. Let me paint you a hypothetical situation: You worked hard and long on your artwork and it somewhat reached ...
Achieving your dreams. Before during and after.It’s been on my mind for 5 years now, started as a whisper in the back of my brain, hardly believing that I am capable of achieving it. Than slowly it developed into a goal, something that I might be able to achieve after all … perhaps. I want to illustrate for my favorite realm in the world: Magic the Gathering. Phew, feels heavy saying it. The notion warms my chest and raises my heartbeat ever so slightly feeling the rush of adrenaline coursing through my veins. I’ve witnessed my boyfriend and some friends do work for them for 2 years now while I was too burned out from Studio work (concept art for computer games.) and honestly, to...
Thanks for all the comments! I will do my best to reply to most of them, even if it sometimes takes a while, reading these always cheers me up a lot!
Wanna ask me direct questions? Come hang with me on Twitch sometime where I paint and give feedback
Suzanne Helmigh Twitch channel
Disclaimer: The artwork posted in my journals are not made by me but artists I admire. This is my way of sharing their incredibly work with the rest of you. All these journals are based on my personal experience and that of artist friends. English is my second language and I have dyslexia so do note I am prone to make mistakes. I write these journals to remind myself of the things I've learned.
Thank you!
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Comments: 2135
Scrap-Lord In reply to ??? [2016-10-18 17:29:24 +0000 UTC]
I want to agree with the part about art. I really do, and on some level I wil, certainly take the advice to hearth.
But the cynic in me still wants to say.
"If above advice does not work. Dont fret. Uploading massive ammounts of identical art works too. As long as you do it at least five times a day and are not a complete failture. Soon enough you will have a decent enough following. Only thanks to the rules of probability.
Keep throwing shit at the wall. Some of it will stick, and some is usually enough.
If all else fails draw naked women and make sure to cater to as many wierd and disgusting fetishes as possible. Perverst, and 14 year olds will come in their flocks to hail you as the Christ the savior of humanity reborn."
I am aware all of this is all high and self entitled for someone who tried most of that, and failed even at that.
But I need my hate and bitterness as motivation.
I'm gonna leave now...
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chinchongcha In reply to Scrap-Lord [2016-11-01 17:03:13 +0000 UTC]
Don't need to make fan service nor trending to get recognized ^^
Your art is still lack of shading, lighting, perspective, background, effect, story and composition.
Really big space to explore and improve ^^
Try finish each one with the fullest effort ^^ Find the senpai and sensei for advice and critique.
Always struggle into another level. Good luck.
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Scrap-Lord In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-01 17:54:46 +0000 UTC]
Uh,well thanks for the criticism, I'll keep it in mind.
As to the rest, yes I'm doing that. wherever possible because if I draw everything with my fullest effort I will never finish anything.
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chinchongcha In reply to Scrap-Lord [2016-11-01 18:10:56 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome
Yep It happen to me as well. I took the full 7 day on the one piece then I start to get the idea how to go on with the next one ^^
Time I spend is shorter and shorter. Don't give up ^^ You can do it
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Scrap-Lord In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-01 21:06:35 +0000 UTC]
Lol, a week is time that takes me to maybe produce a sketch I think is good enoug.
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chinchongcha In reply to Scrap-Lord [2016-11-04 23:45:15 +0000 UTC]
You'll improved for sure. I believe
don't give up
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Nurrisoir [2016-10-17 23:06:39 +0000 UTC]
For me I feel that I'm completely invisible rather than ignored... unfortunately its in both real life and in internet
I have been on dA for more than 6 years (but I changed account) and I never got more than 10 watchers, or even favs that exceed 5
The same happens in all other sites like pixiv, tumblr and Instagram
I even started feeling that maybe I have some kind of bad luck since even in real life people never notice me (or even forget that I exist to begin with)
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chinchongcha In reply to Nurrisoir [2016-10-23 13:39:21 +0000 UTC]
It's really hard to get exposure without fan art and nsfw ^^
but only one thing you need to keep in your mind
Your art is really beautiful Don't give up
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Nurrisoir In reply to chinchongcha [2016-10-23 20:58:03 +0000 UTC]
Haha yea, I pretty much never draw fan art XD
But my gallery is quite boring to look at even for me XD!!! but I will try my best
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chinchongcha In reply to Nurrisoir [2016-10-31 13:17:44 +0000 UTC]
I'm looking forward to ><
Let's make the beautiful world
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Scrap-Lord In reply to Nurrisoir [2016-10-18 17:34:30 +0000 UTC]
Its a shame, your art is really nice and you deserve more.
I'll follow you
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Nurrisoir In reply to Scrap-Lord [2016-10-18 23:29:49 +0000 UTC]
Omg sorry XD!!! My words felt so miserable XD!!
But thank you so much for the watch
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Scrap-Lord In reply to Nurrisoir [2016-10-19 07:37:27 +0000 UTC]
Nah its fine.
I know how you feel.
After 6 years I would be more than miserable if what you said is true xD
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Nurrisoir In reply to Scrap-Lord [2016-10-19 19:45:41 +0000 UTC]
Haha, I try my best to be positive as much as I can XD!!
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Pappa60 In reply to ??? [2016-10-14 15:16:21 +0000 UTC]
I personally appreciate getting a comment especially when someone fav my picture. I always give a comment before I fav I think it belongs to courtesy.
A comment or constructive criticism means a lot to many of us, that's partly why you put up your art. I thought the point of the DA was to help each other with a little encouragement and criticism, and not only save thousands of favs without a single comment to the artist.
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chinchongcha In reply to Pappa60 [2016-10-23 13:40:21 +0000 UTC]
Let's help each other and make the beautiful world
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stardust155 In reply to ??? [2016-10-12 03:32:19 +0000 UTC]
Me and my watchers in a nutshell. I get ignored and a majority of my watchers aren't even active...
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stardust155 In reply to chinchongcha [2016-10-13 02:57:32 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. *gives you a llama*
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chinchongcha In reply to stardust155 [2016-10-23 13:39:48 +0000 UTC]
Thank you stardust >w<
Let's make the beautiful world
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DEADACCOUNT2304 In reply to ??? [2016-09-30 00:34:16 +0000 UTC]
oh tho i think my watchers dont like my art that much and hate talking to me tho after reading this im rethinking this.....
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DEADACCOUNT2304 In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-01 17:20:59 +0000 UTC]
aa happy late Halloween to you!
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chinchongcha In reply to DEADACCOUNT2304 [2016-11-04 23:09:30 +0000 UTC]
Thank you >w<
How are you on the Halloween?
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DEADACCOUNT2304 In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-04 23:13:39 +0000 UTC]
aa halloween was ok for me>w<
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chinchongcha In reply to DEADACCOUNT2304 [2016-11-12 14:08:35 +0000 UTC]
oh I see >w<
btw Nice gallery you have
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DEADACCOUNT2304 In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-12 14:12:16 +0000 UTC]
aa thank you and great art work! ^w^
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chinchongcha In reply to DEADACCOUNT2304 [2016-12-01 05:44:53 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much >< I will practice harder
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Venithy In reply to ??? [2016-09-29 07:14:45 +0000 UTC]
As everyone else said,I do feel like my watchlist was there for nothing.
What I suggest to you all to do is meditate a bit over your situation. Think about how old your account is and what type of art you were doing to begin with.
If you are quite new or you have kept your interests and style constant then I can feel the pain.
For those who are like me the pain is greater. My account is 6 y.o. and this account saw my very first digital painting(besides the "artistic" scribbles in paint) ..which was a really weird - cute sort of fan character for Happy Tree Friends. It did not stop there - in the years in which I was active I have gone through Sonic as well, anime and manga, Courage the Cowardly dog - I swear, all the cartoons.
Now I am drawing weird, creepy and often conceptual art ( in other words I am mostly drawing original things straight out of my head- and when I say original I rather mean that it is not related to any fandom or particular style.)
If you think about it, both my friendlist and watchlist could have been this way: Many members whose art do not interest me anymore nor I have a bond such as friendship with
A ton of members who liked my HTF, Sonic, Anime or whatever I was doing back then
Over 70% inactive people ( in 6 years a lot of things can happen)
ETC.
And the saddest flower of them all. I am currently watched by aprox 500 people and I used to watch over 900.
Of course, most of those were obtained in my early years on this account.
ONE NIGHT I was savage a.f.
I have made a poll in asking how many deviants were really active and stumbled across my poll or on my page to vote? 30. *clap clap clap* And I let that poll roll for a while. After one week I have like 36.
So I was like: What reason Do I have to keep a watchlist full of people that I do not talk to, I always press the "x" on their art, they do not even know I exist.
So I took each one of those 900 and DELETED them manually. I was left out with 150 probably, which were my really close friends and 142 groups. Yep, sad.
I do not blame anyone, I am the one who at one point was inactive for years, I am the one who changed styles.
I still feel like there won't be many people enjoying my style of art, but that's fine.
I plan to at least fill those 5000 spaces with people that I either talk to A LOT or that at least I am happy to see their art whenever they are posting it, even if they don't know I exist.
So to fill my friendlist with epic active people is my new mission.
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Sir-Lawariton In reply to Venithy [2016-10-03 19:56:25 +0000 UTC]
Dude, I feel the pain. I've been on dA for about 5 years and have about 28 watchers, roughly 7 of them are active, and I only talk to 2 of them. (The two people I talk to are the only ones on my watch list. Everything else is just group journals.) I don't think I ever got many views on my art, but I think I used to get about 20-ish views on each submission while now I'm at about 10 each.
Feels bad, man.
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Pyroglifix In reply to Sir-Lawariton [2016-10-17 22:52:58 +0000 UTC]
Dude what?? You're so awesome though!
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Sir-Lawariton In reply to Pyroglifix [2016-10-18 00:46:17 +0000 UTC]
Not really, I think! I've kind of realized that there are A LOT of people that are better than me, so I'm usually happy with getting ANY views on my stuff. I've never really been active in the dA community either (I usually just sit in the corner that is my page and just do my own thing), which is why I've never gotten much attention in general. I also left dA for a while, which means quite a few of my old watchers unwatched me or still do and are inactive.
tl;dr : I can't really blame anyone but myself for not having watchers and also I am bad at taking compliments (sorry)
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Pyroglifix In reply to Sir-Lawariton [2016-10-18 00:55:41 +0000 UTC]
It's alright, 👍: 0 ⏩: 0
chinchongcha In reply to Sir-Lawariton [2016-10-08 10:57:55 +0000 UTC]
Give you llama and some love
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RatchetJak In reply to Venithy [2016-10-03 10:55:31 +0000 UTC]
I so know what you mean. I've been on this site 10 years and I've seen many people come and go and my own art changed over the years (and for the better). My early work was very bad I must admit but I genuinely had fun and I met some people I could relate with but the problem I had was that I felt obligated to watch people who watched me. Biggest mistake ever because all I did was gather clutter and a lot of these people who watched me never commented on my art/journals and it just made me think "If you're not into my stuff, why watch?"
These days, I'm very selective on who I watch to avoid that clutter problem. The only things that I'll watch people for is A), if I like their artwork/style or B), we've talked awhile
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chinchongcha In reply to RatchetJak [2016-11-01 13:05:09 +0000 UTC]
I hope your art is no longer ignored ><
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RatchetJak In reply to chinchongcha [2016-11-01 18:45:22 +0000 UTC]
Mmm my art does okay but at the end of the day, I don't mind, I just like drawing and I want to keep improving.
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chinchongcha In reply to RatchetJak [2016-11-02 02:04:03 +0000 UTC]
nuuu don't stop at just okay >< It's kinda sad ><
You can do it more for sure ><
Let's make the beautiful world
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chinchongcha In reply to Venithy [2016-09-30 08:44:38 +0000 UTC]
Wow I found the one who unwatch me : ) what a coincidence
Have a nice day
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Venithy In reply to chinchongcha [2016-09-30 09:44:38 +0000 UTC]
Hopefully you did not take it personally.
It was difficult to sort it so I just deleted everyone and I am now adding back active people gradually.
>< Sorry!
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TP-2-Rainn In reply to ??? [2016-09-28 17:07:37 +0000 UTC]
Now now no matter how much better/original u are
theres no way u will be notice by ur current watchers or other viewers
deviantart is going to the wrong direction of exposing artists
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UntastyPotato In reply to ??? [2016-09-27 07:54:48 +0000 UTC]
Hello there I was just doing some random google searches about deviant art and then i stumbled on this journal.
It's very written and it is very hard for people to accept the truth but we all have to accept it one day right?
I just joined deviant art recently and I'm seeing so many talented artist here and there already. I already know my art wont stand out much but hey I guess I'll focus on sharpening other skills like my story telling skills instead? So maybe one day I could draw out that comic I always wanted to do
Also thanks a lot for this journal
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