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Yeah, I was waiting for some real clone wars shit to go down. If Ahsoka was ever in a real fight with Grievous, I think the things he does to people would traumatize her.
And they've already butchered Asajj Ventress in this series, so where is Dirge? He was pretty bad ass.
Man, I wish Tartakovsky would do something like the original Clone Wars again... I mean, he's a really fucking good writer, and his art is pretty good too. Because of how much he loves martial arts, the fights were ridiculously cool, and that's how we got such an awesome General Grievous.
But in that story, don't you think even Anikin came out better, maybe better even than in the movies? I think I cared more about him in that, in just the little scenes, like where he's walking around a crowed Coruscant street in the second season, before a meeting with Padme, and he shoots the venomous, paranoid glare around, it just spoke wonders about the character. And when he fought Asajj in the first season? Good stuff. Too bad the new writers are writing for kids... But then wasn't the original show for kids, too?
Another great villain that was in an unfortunate circumstance; you need to be bad ass enough to make everyone thing you're a threat, but we only need you for a little bit, so see ya. Same with Grievous.
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Indeed. That whole little cartoon miniseries was amazing. Of course, I was irked on how Mace Windu and Shaak Ti both fought better without their lightsabers, but still, it was pretty badass. It was a lot better than any crap the new show has spewed out yet. Hopefully the promise of a gradually darkening show as the seasons go by will be fullfilled... I really doubt it though.
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Well yeah, being the best lightsaber duelist in the galaxy and being better unarmed was a little strange, but you have to admit, those fight scenes were cool regardless.
Yeah, I've kind of given up on all the shows and movies connected to Star Wars... I liked the movie, and some of the comics and other media produce good stories, but where the books currently are really blows me away. I think much more interesting stuff happens there than anything I saw in the movies or shows...
Like the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion, the Dark Nest Crisis, the Black Fleet Crisis (lot of crises going on, I guess,) the whole deal with Caedus, and though I haven't started reading Outcast, I do like where the series is going, back into a ruling era of Sith, another Empire.
I think it's sad that for most people the story stops with Darth Vader's death and the fall of the first Empire... There is so much more awesome stuff going on after that, and before. The better stuff happens of screen.
I mean, people think Vader was a bad ass villain (though he was,) but where else do we get villains as good as Nihilus? And Revan, or Bane? The best villains in the movies get destroyed, badly protrayed, so on... I mean, they made Darth Maul suck so bad, he got so little attention, I think it was worse than Grievous.
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I've been away from internet sources lately, not much oppurtunity to reply to things. I think a movie in the KOTOR would be good in concept, just I'm afraid it'd be ruined. Nihilus would bring a whole new evil and creepieness to the dark side nothing else gives. Too bad Star Wars is getting hard to be taken seriously now, with the craptastic show ruining it's image.
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Yeah, I was talking to my father recently, who is also a Star Wars fan, and he's convinced that, as Lucas Arts is a business, they will definitely make another movie, as it would make more money.
I just don't know what they could do it about, and who could write it and not make it terrible. I mean, there is so much space between Return of the Jedi and the next really interesting and long running story arc, The New Jedi Order... They have to deal with the Imperial Remnants, the Resurgent Empire and the reborn Darth Sidious, then the whole trouble with restarting the Galactic Republic.
But after all those little things there are some great stories, but by then, Luke and the gang are pretty old. There is a lot of go between that would need explaining.
As for a KOTOR movie, I have no issue. But even then there are a lot of things going on. I mean the KOTOR comics don't even have to do with the events of the game, or related characters.
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The Separatists care only for themselves. Not the greater good. They only want to secede from the Republic to gain wealth and enslave free planets. And the ordinary Separatist citizen is also following Sidious out of fear.
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I don't think that's true. Dooku was manipulating the Seperatist in the end, but there was a romantic sense of idealism in the citizens of the Speratists. They truly believed they were fighting the good fighting, that there were just and right and they wouldn't put up with what the Republican had become. The smaller people, the people who never mattered really did do this for good reasons, but the real important people did it for money / business shortcuts / son on, so forth...
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Yeah, but if the CIS won the war, they would have been opressed by Sidious anyway.
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That's besides the point. The question is of whether the majority of people working within the CIS were doing what they did for the right reasons; I say yes.
Most of these people knew nothing about the Sith or Sidious, it was really just thrust upon them. They were idealists, revolutionaries, they were fighting for justice and righteousness, but they came under the control of greedy people who were a front for just plain evil, manipulative abominations.
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But that was the same thing in the Republic.
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I'm not sure i understand.
The CIS originally were trying to break away from the suppressive rule of the Republic, and they fought for ideals of freedom.
Who were the Republic trying to break away?
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There were good Senators, and the Jedi Order fought for the nobility of the Republic. Also, the Republic citizens truly wanted to have a democratic government.
Besides, the way George Lucas sees it, the CIS is evil.
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Fair enough, but also besides the point.
Your original statement was, if I remember correctly...
"The Separatists care only for themselves. Not the greater good. They only want to secede from the Republic to gain wealth and enslave free planets. And the ordinary Separatist citizen is also following Sidious out of fear."
And my rebuttal to that was that the Separatist citizens fought for their own good, and the good of society. They didn't even know about the Sith; only the head of the CIS were aware of that, and they lead unknowing citizens for money and self furthermore.
My argument was simply that the majority of the the Separatists fought for good reasons, but were led by bad people. Do you dispute that on its own, and if so, why?
And it really doesn't mater what Lucas thinks because a) the story has grown far out of his hands and is as much a creative product of other peoples thought's and opinions as it is his legal product and b) he's warped the story enough that I don't anyone cares what he thinks.
And besides, have you seen that he has directly stated the CIS is evil? Because i highly doubt such an intelligent writer would say something that suggests a black and white separation. There are a lot of nuances and metaphors to look into in his story.
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Star Wars is George Lucas's property. And the movies also portray the CIS as evil. Besides, the Republic is also struggling to end the corruption in the Senate. And the CIS was responsible for many atrocities in the war.
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Again besides the point. All I'm arguing is that the people of the CIS worlds fight for good reasons; it's not like all the people on the planets got together and said, "Hey, let's all be pricks and anarchists and overthrow Galactic rule!"
I agree that the Republic try to fix things in their own government, and that pretty much everywhere it says the CIS are evil, but nowhere does it say all the Separatist people are mean-spirited grinches who want a tax break. Matter of fact, the places where I've seen them come up it usually says they're trying to overcome unfair and overtly harsh circumstances brought on by the Republic's sometimes unbalanced rule.
And in terms of George Lucas you're just arguing semantics.
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Well, the Jedi are fighting for nobility and good reasons. They fight for the good of the galaxy.
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I see what you are saying, and I agree; the Republic, though they have their lows is overall the good guys. But a war is never black and white, each side has good reasons. From the CIS view, they aren't bad or wrong or badong. They fight for just as good reasons as the Jedi.
It's all a matter of perspective at the time.
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Oh no you didn't. You're thinking of the Separatist council. Nute Gunray, Passel Argente, Wat Tambor. Those are the greedy ones. I'm stating that the ordinay Separatist citizen -be it the shipyard worker on Sluis Van, or the farmer on New Plympto- they have a goal in mind. They want to start over from the corrupt Republic. Problem is, I can't back this claim up. Why? Because there isn't a SINGLE damn peice of Star Wars work from their point of view. Not a SINGLE one.
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Score one for the Jedi! Because they represent the values of the Republic!
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Represnt the old values, yes. If the Jedi fought for what the Republic stood for during the Clone Wars (and not this propaganda crap the show spews out), they'd be closer to the Sith. After all, the sith are badguys, and if the sith lead a faction, that factions must be evil. I mean, tens of thousands of star systems that left before the war have to be made of rich, greedy, bad people, why else would they secede? It's not like they had been tottaly ignored and mistreated by the corrupt Senate...
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