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This is a comic I did based on me and my dearist friend Rachel, she hits me quite offten while we drive and I've gotten so used to it I now will actully hit my own arm if I see a VW and she's not there.Related content
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Thank you for all the comments ^^
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aw huggles!! hehe rachel is soooo cute
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It's an "Invader Zim" T-shirt!
Where in the world can I find one of those?
Really, people still play "hit the beetle" nowdays? (When the "rabbit" came out, does the game become "hit the rabbit" instead?)
Questions aside... I love the homour of it. It's great, old bean.
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Oh...any Hot Toppic...-sigh- which saddly makes them a little less cool.
Indeed, we call it 'slug-bug' though. (I'm not sure...)
Why thank you ^^
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... We don't have too many Hot Topics in Canada (thank goodness...).
I've learned that it depends on what we are looking for in any given store. Sometimes it's unfortunate that some things have to be found in some very unlikely places. I found a band T-shirt in Hot Topic once. It's a Japanese band and the shirt really wasn't being sold anywhere else, so...
I still like the game. It's age-old, but it's fun. ("slug-rabbits" just doesn't sound right, I guess...)
You're very welcome. I just showed it to my brother and he likes it a lot, too.
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Okay..I'm moving there some day XD you just sold me on the place. But the rights to Invader Zim are owned by Nickelodeon, so Johnen Vasquez can't really do anything with it, he commented that he didn't like his stuff being sold at Hot Toppic because he felt it became a staple for all he little 12 year old girls who like "Nightmare before Christmas and strippy socks!". Actual quote from him.
Yeahh...I really can't shop there anymore, all the people who work there are...well idiots. They bother the hell out of you, or just stand around like the mouth breathers they are and stair at nothing...but I understand where you're coming from.
Indeed it is...though I can never seem to spot the cars in time...my vision while driving is focused on the car in front of me...and that's about it. (No...no it doesn't)
Really! Well tell him I said thanks, I'm proud that you're showing my work XD
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Well... I did say that we have very few of those things hanging around... but sadly we are not completely free of them (we used to, until recently). I used to say "They are here... there goes the neighourhood". I kinda hope I am wrong (in saying that the neighbourhood would know better to resist the horrid influence of these stores)... but I don't know...
Hey... it's a good idea for you to keep your eyes on the road (and not the cars passing by), you know. It's not fair to play slug-bug with the driver anyway...
I did! And he said to tell you you are more than welcome. You've definitely won both of us over with this one!
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Be prepaired to see teens walking around with shirts refrencing 90s cartoons they think are now hip, and bands that have no artisitc expresion and just babble out garggled lyrics to the repation of a 3 guitar cords! Young men with pants to tight I really hope it prevents them from breeding...but knowing that somehow that one last stoned limping cripeled sperm will make it to that egg that wasn't expecting any company because "I'll pull out baby!"...I really -hope-...pray even...that this wont happen to Canada.
You know I'm that way when I'm the passanger too...I gess it comes from when I was a little kid, my mom would always go "Look Dylan, look out there!" and I was to short to see over the window, so I think I just stoped looking.
Oh, well I'm honored, I really am, thanks to you and your brother, you both gave me a smile when I really needed it.
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... Oh, boy. That's a scary, scary prospect. I think it's one more reason to avoid the mall for me. I mean, I've already had enough with folks who like bands who do nothing but... well... pose and mumble to simple guitar chords. Now they are out to destroy my childhood memories of Saturday morning cartoons! Gosh-darn it I think I might have to stop myself from pulling a "South Park" and go out to burn these stores of evil down!
Hein, well... at least you're not alone. I fall asleep in almost any sort of moving vehicle, be it car, bus, train... whatever have you. It's been like that since I was a little kid, too. Well... at least it ensures that I will almost certainly lose at this "slug-bug" game...
You are more than welcome. Glad to know we've brought a smile to your face in this season!
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Indeed it is. Yes, not cartoons from the earrly 90s and 80s are now 'retro'...you know I don't care mutch for the 80s, but I will give it this, it was original...overly consumeristic and vapid, but original...and now it feels like this generation has just dug up its corpse and painted it too many bright fucking colors! I have to stop myself everytime I go to the mall and a friend pulls me into the place. At least when the store had Mall-Goths working there they were always nice polite kids
Interesting. I don't fall asleep, unless I'm on long car trips.
Indeed, you both have.
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The mall has always been a place of vapid, empty consumerism. That's probaby why the zombies all flock to the mall and people hide in it. That's probably why when the survivors hid in the mall and started looting the stores, people jump up from their seats to cheer. It's just that sort of place. Put in a glitzy store where old-time memories are dug up, repainted and reanimated, and you have the ultimate expression of comsumerisr-zombism (or "Zomsumerism", if you will).
I've got a theory, you know. If we classify old-time fictional monsters, we can map them to some very interesting stereotypes. The zombie... well, we've got our "Zomsumerism". For the werewolf... he's definitely the tree-hugger. The Creature of the Black Lagoon and his cousin the Swamp thing are militant environmentalists. The vampire's the psychopathic serial rapist who pretends to have some taste. But... hey, think of it - at least they are superficially charming and all. Better to deal with these guys than glassy-eyed zomsumers...
My mum told me that if I don't start staying awake in movine vehicles, folks are going to sell me outright...
Glad to know it. Merry Christmas!
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Indeed it has...I miss it though, it filled me with sutch a beautiful raw hate, a really pure hate!
I like your theory, please tell me more!
How so?
Merry Christmas to you as well.
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... I don't think I've ever had that beautiful exhilaration of feeling pure hate for someone or something. (Twilight came close, but no cigar.)
(And... me mum told me that since I am usually fast asleep in the car... they can drive me across several borders without me ever waking up. Perfect chance to sell me off!)
Well, let's see... I have been wondering about why people have suddenly fallen in love with the zombie again. And really, I don't think I've come up with a good answer quite yet... until I told a friend that there was a period when my life was empty other than work... and I looked at my kitchen and would say something like "Someone, please feed me". Then it struck me... hey... that's pretty "zombie-like", isn't it? Life is vapid, empty but to consume... and we would consume anything and everything... as long as it's edible (or almost edible, in some cases.)We are, in essence, trying to forget the ails and wiles of the world by trying to eat it in... to eat everything up.
What with all the financial dire straights that we've been seeing on the news for the last few years, it's not a surprise to know that people have been suffering. Their lives revolve around money: how to save it, how to earn it, how to keep it safe... and well, food. Even when you don't have any money you still have to eat, right? The act of eating becomes the ultimate confomrt food... and from that collective unconcious re-emerges the zombie archtype to fill in that gap. And so, the zombie becomes the ultimate consumer - everything is edible and there is no life without eating. It's like pushing a normally plausible idea to its maximum and see what comes out of it (sounds almost like a mortgage, if you ask me). No wonder the zombies like the mall! So... the zombie is the "mall rat" in this comparison along with all the other archtypal monsters. And... well, old bean, the analogy seems to hold water for the moment, doesn't it?
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It's a wonderfull fealing. (yeah...hareing it soon became a fad of its own.)
(XD ah okay, understood.)
I would have to agree with you there!
Though I disagree with your description of the wearwolf, just because they become a part of 'nature' doesn't make them tree hugers in my opinion. To me Wearwolfs are you Anit-Social people, they try to be human, and they look human, but somethings off. They constantly act out in rage, but of course 'it's not there fault, it's a curse that they must suffer untill the end of there days!
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(Twilight is a fad, and fads beget more fads. For a long while, yours truly thought he felt what was close to raw animal hate for this fad... until he realised that what he was feeling was actually less than that. So much for the sheer exhilaration of uninhibitedly hating something...)
I agree with you on the fact that werewolves aren't automatically tree-huggers. (If anything, the Swamp Thing and the Creature from the Black Lagoon should've take those titles.) But there's something about the werewolf that goes beyond just rage. It's an atavism that has been caught up with conservatism. Here's my thought process: werewolves are people - if you look back to the older literature about werewolves, they are very human. In fact, they were said to protect human villages from the attack of witches and vampires. However, for one reason or another, there are periods where they uncontrollably turn into another animal (there are were... well... a lot of different animals. The wolves are just the most common one. There are even were-pumas in South America.) However, it's not a matter of rage that manifest when they turn... they literally take on the character of that animal... whichever one that might be. So... it's a little more than just these folks being anti-social. They serve a very social function in some cases. Unfortunately... I am not quite sure just how to classify them at the moment. I'll definately look into this one, though. If you think of anything else, please let me know!
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(indeed. The only bad thing about this raw and oh so pure hate is when something comes along and ruins it by actually pissing you off and then...well that's just too many bad vibes you know?)
Wow...I didn't know that about werewolfs...perhaps they could reprosent the FBI or CIA....at one point people trusted them and saw them as protectors, but now they just seem to instill fear and paranoia? Could ghosts be the extremly depressed or apathetic? Always reliving the same horrid experiances every day and reminding you of it in the process?
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(Oh, I know, old bean, I absolutely know. Take Twilight for example - it's a handy example, I guess - when I first encountered "sparkling veggie 100-year-old virgin stalker" Edward Cullen, I think the first thing that came to my mind was rage; lots and lots of rage. I was angry at everything... up to and including the fact that my dad's name's Edward and I used to live beside an "Edward Street". I wanted to punch my fist into a wall in my apartment with the picture of Stephanie Meyer's mug glued on it. And then... something happened. Feminists started talking about the relationships of the people within the novel and saying that it was a bad example for young women, etc, etc. Boy... that p*ssed me off like nothing else - how dare anyone in their right mind even study what's in this thing like it's important?! After that... well, you know what happened. Everything went down the drain. Even I caved in and started to look at this damned fad with a slightly different set of eyes. And dammit all, I even found out how this god-forsaken thing can help me with my "vampire as an allegory for STD" theory. And the exhilarating feeling just disappeared... went kaput...)
Now, now... you remember, old bean. Yours truly don't quite work on the same level as everyone else, yeah? There are lots of people who study werewolves, all within different contexts. If I am a "vampirologist" ("Haemophagologist"?) then there are werewolf scholars around, too. I like the comparison to FBI or CIA, though. It's actually quite adequate. Not only are these people protectors (the "puma-women" and "leopard-women" in South America were seen as village shamens) but they are fearful, scary protectors. We have grown to be afraid of them because of their ferocity and their brutality. They have been maligned over the years and turned into nothing but rage-filled monsters. But there are people who want to be them becuase they desire the animal attributes. I have heard of high school "wolf-packs" in the States sometime last year. These are your Hot-Topic rats who attach a tail on their butts much as vampire-wannabes attach fangs on their teeth. They hang around in a pack and have an alpha leader. In a way, this atrocity embodies the need to feel accepted and cared for... like wolves in a pack. It's almost like why people join the army... because of the feeling of family in there (no matter how crappy that family really is). So... I hereby stand corrected, werewolves are not tree huggers. They're more like your GI Joes!
Ghosts are self-centred, that's for sure. They are also stubborn, pig-headed and obsessive. Heck, they might even be somewhat masochistic. They may be depressed, too. I like where you're going with this. But the only analogy I can come up with is ghosts being emo kids. Any other suggestions?
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(hmmm, can't tell if the femminist did good or bad here...though I have to agree with them. But I see what you're saying. You know, I was talking with one of my teachers and telling him how I got my childhood ideas of romance from the Addam's Family. He agreeed that the show actually had great family values.)
Yeah, indeed! I'd love to talk with them sometime. I'm glad you like the comperison. I don't know of any of these kids but I'm not saprised in the least to hear about them.
Not emo kids...the self obsorbed, depressed, parasites in this world...hell most of the emo kids I know arn't even that emo.
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(Hey... Addam's Family's got great family values. It's telling you that moms and dads should stay together and take care of uncles and aunts and keep pets. It's telling people that you should get along with your brothers and sisters. It's actually great for a lot of things...
But no... I am not sure if the feminists did good or bad. All I know is that the feeling is lost and it's not coming back. And I have to deal with the aftermath of it... which is more research into my pet project...)
I saw a news article about these kids last year. A friend and I did a quick Internet search and actually found one of the pack leader's MySpace account (and a dA account, if my memory serves me right). It's something fascinating to look into, really. But I might have to warn you, from what little I've seen, there are some sparkles stuck on their fur as well. The phenomenon appeared after Twilight and it carries quite a bit of the Stephanie Meyer sparkle-dust on it. That was one reason why I didn't research further at the time. Just a heads-up.
Well... I know the common epithet for "self-absorbed, depressed parasites" are "emo kids". But I've been told that there are the true emo kids and there are emo-wannabe's that some folks call the "hipsters". Maybe that's the type you've been dealing with?
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(Indeed they do, how do you fel about the 90s film versions?
hm, do tell about this project)
Oh I'm sure these kids have glitter as well! But these kids have been around before Meyers books as have Vampire kids.
Indeed, yes...and I hate Hippsters more then I hate Emo kids...it's like Emo and Pop had a child and left it half dead in a mall parcking lot somewhere.
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(I remember the first movie but don't really remember the second one too much. I thought these movies are a real hoot, you know? I've even thought it wouldn't be half bad if I could deck out my future house like the mansion...
Well... I've been working on the theory that the literary form of vampires is an extended allegory of having syphilis (or other comparable VDs.) When Twilight first happened, it was so far removed from the usual depictions of what a vampire is that not only made me really angry, but also made me wonder if my theory still stands the test of time. Well, now I've got a re-newed section about my theory and I'm working hard to make sure Twilight not only fits into the schema but will fit in snugly. It has something to do with how people's definition of "sex" has changed over time. I'm still working on getting the numbers and churning them out... we'll have to see what I dig up, I suppose.
I knot the werewolf kids have been around before Twilight happened. But the (unwarranted) popularity of the books makes these kids come out of the closet. It's become "cool" again to be a vampire kid or a werewolf kid. And because of that their world view would somehow be coloured by the force that made them come out (in this case, sparkles.) I still remember when it was cool to be a vampire after the Anne Rice fashion - and people at that time cried bloody murder as well. (The more I try to rationalise this, the more it looks like just another wave of the same thing, only escalated. If that is indeed the case, I don't want to see the next wave!))
One of the people who interviewed me had an interest in Goths and asked me what I thought of them. I told her that I find Goths have lost their ideals and their aesthetic. It also reminded what a friend of mine said to me once: "Emo is Goth without the backbone; hipster is emo without the music." I think I'm finally seeing his point...
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Ah, I enjoyed both films very mutch. Still do in fact...I'm saprised I don't own them both. Ageed my friend!
I'd love to hear more about it, please do tell
Ah okay, understood. You know I recently started reading Interview, while I felt it was beautifully written it was just so...femanin...everything had a feeling atached to it! So when actual emotional moments came around I couldn't tell a window from a small girl being eaten.
Yeahhhh...well here's hopes this women gives you a job! This is saddly to true
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Hein, owning films have, somehow, becoming something of the past. I don't quite understand why. I still believe in keeping something I liked, hopefully for a long time. I guess that's why I'm such a pack rat!
Hmm... think of it this way: the young'uns think of sex as "Penile-vaginal penetration". So when the fundies talk about "no sex before marriage", they don't consider oral sex, mutual maturbation, using virbrators and dildos and anal sex as "sex". This is a potentially dangerous assumption - especially when you're dealing with VDs. The author of "Twilight" is a Mormon lady and we can see that same kind of (mis-)conception in her novels. Edward and Bella only have "real sex" after they are married (apparently marrying young isn't a problem at all). However, blood-sucking (an allegory for oral sex) is considered OK. One of the other characters were said to have "oral-raped" Bella before her marriage to Edward and that was considered "permissible", too. Their point was "sex" only started after marriage. But from where I am standing, that's a rather narrow concept of what "having sex" is. And if we consider vampirism as an allegory of having VD, then the context of how folks got VD (as told in human-vampire relationships) still stand true. Folks are now getting VDs by doing things they don't consider as sex!
I remember reading "Interview with the vampire". I remember the first time I read it I had to put the book down - because it was literally making me feel my head throb (as someone suffering from migraines, that's a bad sign). I later found out that Anne Rice wrote the novel as a grieving process for having lost her daughter to leukemia, which actually made the read a little better. She definitely wrote herself into the novel - and this results into a very feminine novel. It also resulted in the gay community taking up her novel by a storm. It talks about some misunderstood subculture being maligned and ostracised... with some very sensual tones. It's a romantic idea, for sure. And I think that's why some folks like it very much. But it's definitely not for everyone.
... sad, but very, very true. I wonder what would come after the hipsters?
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Yes I know, it saddens me, it really does. I remember going to Best Buy and they used to have a whole isel dedicated to anime and not its just one shelf! Book stores are closing down too...whcihc reminds me I need to raid borders while I still can...I did so last night, bought the hard cover first adition of the comic 'Chew!'
Ah, i see what you mean, such a shame....and the irony is when these kids start 'just messing around' they will want the 'real thing' even more and with there heads clouded by hrmones and lust they might just get it! I see what your saying now, sort of.
Well I thought it was beautifully writen and that's interesting to hear about the gay comunity taking the book up. Perhaps I should read 'Queen of the damned' instead?
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That's one part of the shame, for sure. It's very hypocritical, of course, but what people don't ever think about is the health implications. For example, anal sex is probably the most dangerous form of "sex" you can perform as far as catching AIDS is concenred (yes, even more so than "real sex".)But thanks to people's skewed sense of what sex is, they are digging a brand new hole for themselves to jump in. As far as my theory goes... well, I suppose you need to read the first part to understand how the second part fits in. I'm actually working on a publication copy (... but it's been put on the back burner for the last while...). So, perhaps we should start from there.
The gay community was taken by storm by "Interview with the vampire". During the 70's, they considered the love between men equal, sensual and forbidden - very similar to the overly-sentimental emotions and relationships described in the novel. (What people forget is that what these character feel for each other is never quite the same as romantic love...). But they found resonance in the novel and it helped to propel both Anne Rice and the gay community into media attention. The next book in the series is "The Vampire Lestat", followed by "The Queen of the Damned". (The movie version of "Queen of the damned" merged the second and third book together.) If you feel like you are still interested in Anne Rice's writing, I recommend you go in sequence. There are a large number of recurring characters. Reading out of sequence makes things confusing.
Cloud Power? It makes me wounder of anyone has a sence of ownership anymore, you know? I would really hate that...the idea feels...cold, underneath all the flashy colors and romantic ideas I think the internet is just one big interwiered system of cold ions...and if it ever became self aware I think it would feel like a whore.
Indeed it is. I remember feeling more confused about sex then anything els in 5th grade when we had sex-ed...I don't think I'm going to trust the schools with my future children's sexual knowledge. If you could send me the first part I think it would help quite a bit Old sport. I'd love to see if 'Let The Right One In' fits in with your theory. (by the way, the American version of the film; Let Me In was actually very good...though a few things still bothered me about it.)
Ah okay, understood. I think I'll hold off for a while...I still have so mutch to read.
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I actually agree with you - on one hand, we argue that information should be freely shared by everyone, but on the other hand we have people jumping off the walls complaining that their copyright is not respected... it's a real conundrum we are running into. Folks don't think twice putting their information on line - but they will cry foul of an insurance company or a potential employer googled them... It's a very scary thought. And just think... who "owns" the brain if you upload it to the Cloud? That's an even scarier thought! I believe that even if we can do it, we shouldn't attempt some things just becasue we can. That's just silly.
I think my sex-ed was all about STDs (I still call them VDs, it's an old convention that stuck with me...). So... the whole 1-week course was all about what horrible things will happen to you if you do this thing called sex... horrible, if you ask me!
"Let the right one in" explores the possibility of children who are no longer innocent. In terms of VDs (and syphilis/AIDS in specific), it deals with "sins of the father". We are quick -very quick- to blame people's VDs on their own conduct. It's a blame-game that had gone on for the last 500 years or so. But it's slightly different when the target is a child. It's through no fault of the child that he or she has the disease... and yet it is the child who has to bear this mark of sin and live and die for it. The body of a tainted child (of course female, that just feeds back into the blame-game model) becomes something that's difficult to identify and difficult to place - her role in society becomes that of an ostracised "other" - basically, a "Vampire" of the literary fashion. And what does she doe with this sense of otherness? She goes out and help other ostracised children, showing that she is capable of human emotions and is still "human"...except that she is not "normal". This aspect of the story reminds me of Ibsen's "Doll's House" quite a bit. Perhaps there's a bit on inspiration in there.
Oh... before I forget... I know that the Vampire Chronicles contains 10 books, but after #4, the quality of the writing goes steadily downwards. I do not recommend the books after #4 ("Tale of the body thief"). #5 (Memonoch the devil) will most likely bring tears to your eyes because of the Shepard speaking through the lines of the novel. Not recommended.
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I like the idea of the internet being free to anything...reminds og George Carlin's "You should have unlimited rights or no rights at all...I personally like unlimited rights." Though, yes, people should be aware of the consiquences of there action....but people don't seem to think before they act anymore.
Ah...Mine consisted of two guy's who stumbled over there words and made it mutch more awkward then they needed to be...to be honest I didn't even know sex felt good untill a while later when I started actully thinking about it. Also I remember we weren't alowed to talk to the girls about what we learned, or ask them about what they learned...this confused me quite a bit because I saw no harm in it. I mean I understood that it could be embarassing for them if we asked, but I saw nothing wrong with just asking...or awnsering their questions if they asked any.
Ah I see, what woukd you consider the character of Hakan (The pedophile who act's as Eli's 'father') to be? In the book he becomes something like a zombie, he's a walking corps that is unthinking and can only eat and in one part actually try's to rape Eli...also he's not affected by the rules on invitation and can enter any room he wants without being invited. How so? I read the plot for it and I'm not quite sure I follow you.
Allright, I'll keep that in mind, another friend of mine told me the same thing.
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Freedom is a kind of power. And most of us will not hesitate to blurt out a tired tirade of how "Power corrupts; absolutel power corrupts absolutely." In a way, the Internet had given everyday users a power unparalleled when it comes to information. And of course we see how it can possibily corrupt the minds of its users. There is a very evident and deliberate divide between "real life" and "Net presence", perhaps stemming from this understanding of the power dynamic.
Well... my sex-ed teacher was my gym teacher who was female. I don't particularly remember too much from those classes (I think I must've been half-asleep in most of them...) But really... what do I have use for sex ed classes?
Let's deal with Ibsen first. There's a character in "A Doll's House" by the name of Dr. Rank. He had inherited syphilis from his father who was "gay" (either morally loose or a homosexual, or both.) Dr. Rank was an innocent who bore the sins of his father and had suffered greatly because of it. This included the fact that he had to watch the woman he loved (Nora) marry someone else and deal with the indignities in relation of her loan from the corrupt Krogstad to save her husband. However, the thing that made the very tragic figure of Dr. Rank admirable is the fact that he was a doctor - Ibsen was very adept in his social commentaries, after all - In one foul scoop he showed the audience that the sins of the father can affect even the most respected members of society. He also showed the audience that even as a tainted innocent, he had devoted his life to saving others (as a doctor). At the end, his "goodbye" was shielded and veiled to preserve the honour and good-name of both Nora and Travold. Therefore, the thought of a tainted innocent (such as Eli) going out to help Oscar reminded me quite a bit of Ibsen's play. Sorry if the reference was too oblique.
As far as Haken goes... well, first things first. Haken had been turned into something like a ghoul and a retainer. It's a relatively new piece vampire lore, largely prepetuated by the folks behind Vampire:The Masquerade. Ghouls are half-dead but they are not exactly sentient. They exist in a very basic, very primal way and follows the orders of their vampire masters (most of the time, leastways). It also means they are not bound by the same rules and laws as their masters (therefore they can come and go into any dwelling uninvited.) I must confess that I don't have too many bright and intelligent things to say about Haken (other than a wonderful bit of dramatic irony that I've seen before and the fact that as a paedophile, he's got his just desserts.) Perhaps I ought to look somewhat deeper into this character.
... a lot of Anne Rice readers have come to this conclusion independently. I think only the most rabid of fans can ignore the gradual decline of her writing standards.
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May we move this first little bit to the conversation about Naracasists and Matyrs?
Ah okay. XD you have a point. Hey,I was woundering, if asexual people had to take hormones for what ever medical reason would they develope a sex drive?
Ah, now I understand. Interesting observation.
Perhaps Haken and those undead ghouls like him could represent those who have herpese or other deforming STDs and still have sex recklessly and go around spreading their deseases without care. Well Haken presents an interesting character, he makes you pitty him, you see that besides being a pedophile he's also a human and he ironicly looses his humanity in trying to sacrafice himself for Eli.
Ah I see, that's a shame.
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Move away! These two topics really should be combined, I agree with you.
Now... no one did decent research on asexuals, unfortunately. The best research was a flawed population survey done back in 1992 in England. So we don't really know what -causes- asexuality (the same way we don't know what causes any other kinds of sexualities). So... while you've got an intriguing hypothesis, I am not sure how to answer it or where to begin to answer it. It sounds like a great research topic, though (but the receptiveness of this sexually-driven world might be a tad low. Funding for this kind of research would be tough.)
Paedophilia is a very strange entity; some people call it a kind of sexuality, while others call it a paraphilia. The truth of the matter is that most of these people are relatively decent folks above the belt. But their sexual drive is usually what leads them onwards and forwards. To compare ghouls to people suffering from other deforming STDs is an interesting hypothesis. It's something worth investigating, too. Unfortunately (for me, at least), I know of no other previous attempt to depict ghouls as any kind of metaphor (or allegory). You see... ghouls are a foreign entity, in the sense that this word and this concept came first from India and had only entered the English language in the late 1800's. Ever since then, the concept of ghouls remain tied and entwined with that of the vampire (mostly because the guy who translated the original called it an "Indian Vampire Tale" as a part of the vampire craze in England). Only in recent years (early 1990s - which is recent to me) did the concept of ghouls as a "sub-species" of vampires came about; mostly due to White Wolf Studio's "Vampire: the Masquerade" role-playing series. It's something that I may need to look into further, but I would be the first person to say I'm venturing into unknown waters; both with paedophilia and ghouls.
And if there's one person who -will- complain about that fact loudly, that's me.
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Indeed.
Ah, damn. I was woundering because I know hormone therapy's can affect the sexual prefrance of transexuals, and I was just curious if the same therapys would have any affect on asexuals (not that I'm saying they would need them.)
Yes, well I've read there are exclusive and non-exclusive pedophiles...and a majority of child molesters are non-exclusive. I'm sure they are, I've just never rread a book where one was portrayed as a decent (well...not decent, he still killed people, and went looking for child prostitutes, but when he found one who had had all his teeth ripped out he just gave him all the money he had on him and left the child alone.) Thank you for finding it worth checking into. Please do tell me what you find.
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Transsexuals are an interesting bunch, I find. For someone who believes that they were born in the wrong body, the minutia of their "wrongfully-assigned" body must be horribly distasteful to them. Imagine if there's a boy inside a girl's body and that body started to grow breasts and started to mentruate? It makes me wonder if all the hormone therapy was there to futher their quest of changing bodies just a bit more instead of actually affecting their sexuality. Think of it... if that's indeed true, it means what goes on in our head is really controlled by what's below the belt! I don't know about you, old bean, but that idea is horrifying to me.
Paedophilia is investigated because it is criminal. Most of paraphilias are investigated because it's criminal, which really sets the tone of the whole research if you ask me. Dividing paedophils into exclusive ones and non-exclusive ones is of judicial importance, but not so much as a progress to learning sexuality. (It's like dividing heterosexuals into those who find attractions within their own race only or in all races.) So I have a bone to pick with the research into paedophilia at this moment in time. It's quite unfortunate, of course; but the situation probably wouldn't change anytime soon. Most paedophiles are very smart people, I find - they are crafty and quick-witted... and they are masters at theatre. I don't know about these traits when it come to being decent as human beings... but it means the paedophiles are actually not some lowly, uncouth monsters. Which... incidentally, is how ghouls are usually protrayed in folklore: revived corpses that feeds on rotting corpses. There's a definitely departure between folklore and recent urban lore when it comes to the ghouls. And that, of course, may have a big impact on the "ghouls as paedophiles" theory. It remains for me to find out more... whenever I find the time, at least...
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I'm sure it would be horrible. Oh, I'm sure the hormone therapy isn't to alter sexuality, but in some people it does. I don't think things are that simple, there's a lot of things here that contribute to who we are when it somes to sexuality; hormones, genes, perseption, society. It's safe to say you function without those impulses and at times I envy that.
You mean no one if doing research on these guys? (are there any femail pedophiles?) Hmm, I have to question the intelegence of anyone who runs into Chris Hansen. Oh, I wasn't saying pedophiles were ghouls, no, I meant those individuals who know they have STDs and continue to have unprotected sex with abandon.
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There are a lot of thing about human sexual roles and human sexuality that we don't know about. How hormones tie in with both of those is also a bit up for debate. Whether the hormones were used to change sexuality or change outward sexual appearance (there's a reason why "sex" and "gender" do not mean the same thing) is actually quite individualised, I find. It's hard to find good quality group studies on this population, actually. So... at the moment, even I have to turn a blank on this one.
Let's see...
Yes, there are lots of people doing studies on paedophiles. But their aim is more towards how to prevent and curb these tendencies than to actually understand why they happen. Of course, that doesn't mean folks aren't actively trying to figure out why they become what they are, but it's tough to do research on them in general. Once they are found out, they usually die violently (either by their own hands or by someone else's hands). Very few are willing to talk but almost all re-offend in some way. It makes things awful tough. Are there female paedophiles? Yes, unfortunately. But they are extremely rare. We're looking at a 1000:1 ratio between males and females. In fact, most people with paraphilia are males. No one knows why for sure, but it remains one of those "fundamental differences between sexes" that keeps people fascinated. Paedophiles know what they are doing is wrong. In fact, they are not "insane" at all - they know they are committing a crime and they will do their utmost to conceal their crime. In the world of criminology concealment is a sign of an intelligent criminal. We're not looking at folks with IQ of 140, 160 here. What we are looking at are people with average or slightly above average intelligence who actually know enough that they are committing a crime or conspiring to commit a crime. They know enough to cover their tracks so they can offend again. That's intelligence there.
I know of the type of people you're talking about. Canada has convicted two HIV-carriers who knowingly had unprotected sexual intercourse with other partners after their disease status was known. But that makes me wonder why you would equate them to ghouls. Mind elaborating that one for me?
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I see, it's a shame more conclusive research hasn't been done.
That dose make things quite difficult...hey, all of those things happen to HΓ₯kan in Let the Right One In...really need to finish that book. ah, because there's one in the film Antwone Fisher (also the book 'Boy Toy' by Barry Lyga talks about a female teacher molesting one of her male students. I think one is the best books he's written. That seemed to be a trend there for a while didn't it?)I didn't think they were insane, just people who can't seem to control the urges they know they should...I wonder if labeling theory has anything to do with it?
The reason I said they were like ghouls is because vampires at least have some self control, ghouls just eat and infect and then eat some more. These people continue to have sex and infect others quite a lot, they do not stop and give themselves up to their basic wants and instincts.
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We are still being somewhat unbalanced when it comes to research about sex and sexual behaviour. Dr Kinsey's foundation does a lot of the research that continues to fascinate us... but there are few others.
People are always fascinated with paraphilias. But there is a point in time when people's fascination are carried overboard. If I didn't remember wrongly,the first media portrayal of a "female paedophile" was Mrs. Robinson in the 1967 movie "The Graduate", but that's not really paedophilia per se. Despite that, the idea of an older woman seducing a younger man is looked upon in a very different light than an older man seducing a younger woman. For most men, having their first sexual encounter with an older woman seems like a rite of passage. It's an idea explored by many of the artists in their work that features a pair like this. Paedophilia seems to be a "male-only" sin in media.
The Labelling Theory may have something to do with people's deviancy, however it does not account for many of the socially destructive behaviours that we seen in paedophiles. When people are said to be under the influence of labels, it implies that they have already been labelled as something or another. They simply give into the pressure ("if there's a hole, you might as well jump", basically.) Most of the paedophiles do not suffer under a label - in fact, most of them try very, very hard to avoid being labelled. Many paedophiles are the nicest so-and-so you'll ever hope to meet. As such, they are not under the labelling pressure from their peer groups.
Aah, now... here's a bit of a problem with that argument:
Sure...folks still want to have sex. It's a basic drive. However, knowing that you're already infected with an STI and still go out to have unprotected sex is a choice - and a malicious choice at that. The reason why those two men were convicted of manslaughter is that they already knew they were carriers and yet deliberately choose to have unprotected sex with multiple partners without letting the partners know. That's not only a form of self-control but also a sign of callousness. Zombies are relatively mindless, really. There is no choice involved.
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Do they do good work?
I think that has something to do with over all views on sexuality. Punesent girls are suppost to be sure and virginal but boys aren't, even though I'm sure young girls fantasize about older men just as much as young boys fantasized about older women...maybe even more so because girls mature faster then boys and I'm sure young boys can get quite amoying to them. But I wounder what affect these femail paedophiles have on these toung men in the long run. I've read one book about it, but that was fiction, still interesting though. The young men was in a sexual relationship with his teacher amd when he was at a party with a girl his own age and they got locked in a closet with a girl his own age he reacted like he was conditioned to and took things too far too fast. After this him and hius teacher got found out and he grew up being ashamed of his sexuality and not wanting to be around women...until the girl from the party wanted to and in a way forced him to go out with her. It was a very good book.
Ah, understood, I guss I assumed that just haveing a sexual atraction to children to cause one to label ones self.
Understood....damn.
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For some of them, I should say so. The problem is their data collection pool is somewhat limited. And with such a small sample, some data will invariably be skewed.
There are very few female paedophiles, but more female ephebophiles ( [link] ). These two phenomenon may seem similar, but in a way they are very different. One thing that people usually fail to touch on is the effect on the victims of both paedophilia and epebephilia. The novel you mentioned is a foray into this area, but it's hardly the full picture. If nothing else, I'd say it's a mild case of the spectrum of things.
One might label oneself, but that's not a part of the Labelling theory. The theory denotes that one behaves the way that was expected of him due to a title that was given to him by his peers. For example, if the people around me persistently called me a vampire (like my classmates when I was in grade 5 and 6), I would be "labelled" a vampire. If I then avoid sunlight and avoid garlic because I think that's what people expect me to be, then it's said I am under the influence of my label. Paedophiles do not go through the same process at all.
Oh, don't worry about it. A lot of theories are trial and error. You don't know until you voice it out and hear how it sounds.
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I've seen that, I was trying to look up information on condoms the other day and it was quite difficult. My girlfriend and I aren't ready to have sex yet, but we're getting there and I'd like to be properly prepared. My friend gave me some condoms he had, but they were to small (which is why he wasn't using them to begin with.)
Are there any official documents collected on female ephedophiles and there victims? I agree, I didn't take it all as fact, but it was quite a good bit of fiction (much like Gaiman's 'Serial Convention'.)
Understood. I really do love the labeling theory, it's true in so many ways yet when I first heard about it I wasn't sure it sounded right or not.
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Oh, condoms, hein? Well... when it comes to things below the belt, people tend to exaggerate a little (or, in some cases, look down on themselves.) Very few people have the clarity to look at themselves and see themselves for what they are. When it comes to condoms, though... there's usually a "one size fits most" that people tend to gravitate towards. If in doubt, the folks in sex shops can be surprisingly helpful (Like the last time I walked in and asked them if they had blue lipstick - because a friend sent me... Long story, that one...)
Are there official documents collected? Yes. It's rare, for sure. Back in the early 90's, the researchers have done several series of paedophile studies. In one case, the rate of female to males is about 1 to 100, in another study they couldn't find a female paedophile. So... we're talking about something really, really rare. The portrayal in the media about the "More experienced woman seducing the virgin boy" is a male fantasy that was only recently shared by females. I guess there's the "Labelling theory" at work there! Oh, the irony...
But it is true; and the theory works. It works quite well, actually. A double-edged sword, really. It can be used for both good and bad purposes. If you keep on telling someone how hardworking he or she is and how much of an achiever he or she is, it has been shown in child developmental circles that these kids grow up to be high achievers who are hardworking. It's independent of the children's IQ's. So... it really works both ways. And once you tap into it... you can use it to your own advantage.
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Yes I know, but things really didn't fit, I had to force things and it hurt quite a bit. That's a good idea! Thank you. (I'd like to here it.)
Oh the irony indeed.
Interesting. I'll have to remember that one.
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So... there was a friend of mine who was hoping to cosplay as this character from the anime/manga "Death Note". It's a complicated costume, for sure. And it required a lot of... well, blue. Including blue lips. So she went along broadcasting to her friends about the need of deep blue lipstick. I told her that she could probably try theatrical shops but she said she tried (... I didn't quite believe her, but... oh, well...).
I forgot who it was from our rag-tag group of friends who said "hey, why don't you try a sex shop?" But almost immediately, several people echoed the "Oh, yeah... that sounds like a good idea..." sentiment. And since yours truly lived relatively close to one of these establishments (2 blocks down, actually. My block was clean as a whistle; the same can't be said about the place 2 blocks down...) they sent me in.
... That's when I realised these folks who work in a shop are actually really helpful. Even if they can't find deep blue lipstick for me... they tried anyway and suggested me to try a few other places.
So... moral to today's story?
1. Folks in sex shops are helpful.
2. When all of your friends look at your in a certain way... say "No".
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Ah, I know the character she's talking about...how did her costume turn out? (oh well indeed....too late now anyway.)
Ah I see, that's quite a story! I know of a few not too far from where I live, I really should stop by and ask them.
XD very good things to keep in mind!
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