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Many people ask themselves (sometimes on a daily basis) why they should comment on a piece of work. Whether it's just a deviation that pops up into our message centres or a deviation on deviantART's home page, what makes us decide whether we should, or even want to, comment on that piece?

Why do we bother? Or more importantly, why don’t we bother?

This guide explores the thoughts that we may have, the excuses we make, and, hopefully, a few thoughts to encourage you to comment, not just with a few words and that's it, but to really give a fellow artist a constructive comment that they deserve... that we deserve.

What is mentioned below is by no means accurate or complete and it does not apply to everyone. It was written by ProjectComment as a Group, by deviants, for deviants and we sincerely hope you enjoy reading this.

A massive thank you to annajordanart , catadescour , technochroma , Jenniej92 and xblackxbloodxcellx who all contributed in the making of this guide. Their efforts are much appreciated and they really deserve more recognition.


Commenting
Many of us do not have the time to constructively comment on deviations, even though we want to. As a consequence, we and run, we write a couple of words, or something else that takes less than a minute to do.

Is that it? Are our pieces reduced to only something that is worthy of one minute of a person's time?

How many of us browse the galleries, on deviantART, clicking on random deviations? How many of us see so many deviations that have next to no comments, or comments that only contain a few words?

One could argue that it is their own fault for not being more active and supporting other artists. Surely if they were more active, they would receive more comments, and that... that is true to some extent. Regardless, it should never stop us from commenting and giving people feedback on their pieces. The majority of us are artists, striving for the same goal, so why not help someone in the same position as you… as us?

If you don't have time to comment, that's fair enough, but for those that have the time, why not?


Reasons Why
"Commenting on other people's work is a great way to expand your own knowledge of different variations of art. It's also a key factor to an art community - conversing and interacting with other artists creates the 'studio environment' that many artists work to in their jobs.

Commenting also shows a bit of your personality, or even that you are an open person. If you leave comments on people's work they are more than likely to leave comments back - its like an ice breaker." ~ annajordanart


"Commenting helps you not only to give your opinion or viewpoint, it also lets you receive feedback on whether you understood a piece of art correctly. Moreover, you can learn from other cultures and become more open-minded." ~ catadescour


"There is always a point to sharing your thoughts on a piece, even if only to exercise your observational skills. DeviantArt is a community site and you should feel comfortable giving feedback." ~ technochroma


Fear is a factor that prevents some of us from commenting when it shouldn't: "I think most people are a bit afraid to give a deep comment, or just don't know what to say, or are afraid the receiver will be mad." ~ Jenniej92


Have you asked yourself, "What is the worst that could happen?"

You might get flamed/trolled/etc., but you are not forced to reply and you are not forced to see or read the comment. If the comment bothers you, delete it, never look back and move on. Your self-esteem/confidence/ego may plummet a bit from the encounter, but you have only conversed with one artist. Not all artists are the same and there are many out there who would appreciate any feedback at all, which leads us to...


Excuses
...the excuses we make.

My comment won't make a difference and won't do much, anyway, because there are already loads of comments and it's quite obvious the artist doesn't need their ego stoked any more. Thus, any comments made means nothing, and there is no point.

Although there could be many comments, really look at them and see how many just contain a few sentences. Are all of the comments constructive? If not, your comment still has a chance of impacting the artist, especially if your comment is in-depth. If your thoughts are parallel to those that are already said, then there really is no point in reiterating it, but many artists still like to receive feedback, no matter how many comments they have.

"Even if you point some "weak spots" out, but you're kind, the artist will surely make use of your comment and will appreciate your honesty." ~ xblackxbloodxcellx

Generally, though, "Artists appreciate and thrive on any and all feedback on a piece. It is doubtful that the artist would leave the comments option "on" if they didn’t seek feedback. " ~ technochroma

technochroma goes on to say, "Pretend the artist and the "already knows their piece is amazing" feeling doesn’t exist. Just look at the piece for what it is. This is kind of a reverse Zen technique where instead of being acutely aware or oversensitive at the loads of comments, we are only looking at the art piece for what it is. Then write the comment, look at it objectively to ensure it is balanced for critical and constructive criticism, and post it."


The deviation is not inspiring, does not interest people, people cannot connect, etc.

If you find a piece such as this, what more of a better reason than to comment? You can suggest improvements to be made, give general feedback or anything else to help them progress as an artist. The critique template with sections such as, 'Vision', 'Originality', 'Technique' and 'Impact' can greatly aid in the making of this comment.

"Art is individually experienced and should not immediately be dismissed as 'uninspiring'. While there may be design reasons for it to not be emotionally compelling, just look at the piece objectively." ~ technochroma


The medium of the piece is unfamiliar and I don't know what to say, because I am out of my comfort zone and depth.

You don't have to have specific knowledge of the medium to convey what you feel, think and see. Some artists are fine with just having feedback, any sort of feedback. Our guide How to Comment - Pointers and Examples lists all the things you could mention (General Pointers for All Categories) that can apply to every art out there.

"If you’re really stumped, at least write about what you feel from seeing the art. All art evokes a feeling – all humans experience art at very least on an emotive level." ~ technochroma


I can’t actually think of anything constructive so no comment is better than a non-constructive comment.

xblackxbloodxcellx has pretty much summed it up brilliantly:

"Take a deep breath and look at the piece again. Name three (or more) things you like most and try to think why you like them. Write them down. Then try to look for a couple of things you don't really fancy and again, think why they don't attract you this much. Write them down. And you've got a decent comment!"

Some people believe that if they have nothing worthy to say, then they shouldn't say it. This does not apply to everyone. Although you may feel like that yourself, try and empathise with the artist and think how they will feel. You may be pleasantly surprised that people may want a non-constructive comment.


If a comment is made, it makes me sound like a douche, people bite my head off, it’s not appreciated, people will call me names, etc.

If your comment is not disrespectful, rude or 'flame-worthy' matieral, then the majority of people will only be like that if a, they are trolls (in which case, stay away from them or if that is too late, delete the reply and move on), b, the comment you type is destructive (particularly focusing on tone, content and phrasing) or c, it's neither the above, in which case, it's best not to pay attention and take what they say to heart.

"Besides, there's a saying in my country, "nunca quedas mal con nadie", which refers to those people who avoid saying anything because they don't want to get in trouble with anybody." ~ catadescour

Is that what everybody should do every single time they get a negative reply? Should we skulk around in silence, scared that the same things will happen again?

NO! Take a stand, respect the artist for the path they have chosen (even if they don't respect you), and keep on believing that not everyone is the same. Try and comment on 10 random pieces and see if the replies you get are all negative. If you get one negative out of nine positive, doesn't that prove something?

"If you're kind writing the comment, it's highly predictable that the artist will be at least as kind as you were." ~ xblackxbloodxcellx


When the artist doesn’t reply to the comments, it could suggest that they don’t appreciate it, can’t be bothered etc.

The majority of artists have a reason for not replying to comments, don't take it personally. It doesn't mean that they don't appreciate every single one, though, and it doesn't mean they won't be read. Sometimes, time can be a major factor, as our lives outside dA are more important, the artist wants to save the comments in their message centre because they feel the comments are helpful, or they just don't want to reply and thank everyone generically.


The comment won't be read

That really is not possible unless the artist just deletes your comment from their message centre without even looking, and if they do that, why enable comments in the first place? The fact that a comment won't be read and that a comment won't be replied to are two separate things.

"It’s also really tough to tell another person’s message reading habits if you are not the other person. Just have confidence! If you’ve left a comment, your objective at giving constructive feedback has been fulfilled, and you should be proud that you have participated in a group effort to make DeviantArt a more enriching place." ~ technochroma


The fact that all there is in the Artist’s Comments is '…'

Some people feel that they shouldn't need to explain their piece, that it is all there up for your interpretation. Some people speak a different language and cannot portray what they want. Some people are in a hurry, or just don't want to distort your perception in any way so that you give your genuine impression.

Either way, it shouldn't deter you. It doesn't necessarily mean that you won't receive a reply. If a piece is beautiful and has "..." in the Artist's Comments, would it put you off from commenting more than a piece that is not quite so beautiful? Regardless of their skill, pieces shouldn't be judged in a way that one piece receives a comment over another that doesn't.


I comment, comment and comment, but I receive nothing. What’s the point? Why should I bother?

Selflessness, and the want to spread the love, to inspire  other people to comment. It sucks when you do so much for other people and yet you receive nothing in return, but... look deeper. Do the people thank you for what you have done? Do they hug and smile at you? If yes, then that is its own reward.

Not only that, but keep hold on to the belief that what goes around, comes around.

Continue to be active, support other artists for just the support and the act of giving, and it will be reciprocated sooner or later.


Final Note
Hopefully this guide has given you a few things to think about. There are a lot of deviations out there with barely any comments, and deviantART is such a massive place, surely we should help as much as we can?

The most important thing to think about is to comment because you want to comment, to spread the love, to inspire others to do the same, or anything else that is selfless, not selfish. Set yourself a target to constructively comment on one deviation every day, or to comment on a deviation that has no comments at all.  

Most of all, though, comment for art's sake.


Guides by ProjectComment

A Guide to Commenting
5 Tips to Maintaining and Gaining Watchers
An Observation of deviantART
How to Comment - Pointers and Examples
How to Write an Artist's (or Author's) Comments
A Guide on (Offending) Comments


An extraordinary group you should check out…

Project-Pay-Forward ~

"We all know of deviants who need help from time to time. Sometimes it is in a monetary fashion - Like donations for causes, paying for a bill here and there or something else.

Other times it is a simple hug, a friendly hello, a newbie who needs a guide or the promoting of an event.
And who doesn't know of someone offering or looking for commissions?
Need advice on your work? A critique perhaps?

This is what Project-Pay-Forward aims to do: Help those in need, however possible. We all have our talents, and we all have things we would like help with. This project hopes to bring together the two and get things done."


Thank you for reading.

3wyl , posting on behalf of ProjectComment



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Snowgrl16 In reply to ??? [2010-04-14 00:39:24 +0000 UTC]

I just don't care.

It's you either comment or don't.

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3wyl In reply to Snowgrl16 [2010-04-14 11:06:02 +0000 UTC]

I guess that is fair enough.

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Snowgrl16 In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 22:38:16 +0000 UTC]

No need to get worried.

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3wyl In reply to Snowgrl16 [2010-04-15 13:33:26 +0000 UTC]

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namenotrequired In reply to Snowgrl16 [2010-04-14 07:10:31 +0000 UTC]

but if you do comment, you can either write 3 words to say "this is awesome", or 3 lines to say what you like about it.

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Snowgrl16 In reply to namenotrequired [2010-04-14 22:38:40 +0000 UTC]

But what if you're too lazy/busy?

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namenotrequired In reply to Snowgrl16 [2010-04-14 22:39:47 +0000 UTC]

Then this article applies.

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Snowgrl16 In reply to namenotrequired [2010-04-14 22:43:28 +0000 UTC]

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namenotrequired In reply to Snowgrl16 [2010-04-15 07:01:04 +0000 UTC]

Or one of their other guides, of course

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Blue-Bird-1494 In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 23:32:44 +0000 UTC]

This is so well said
But I'm always too afraid to comment, mostly because I just don't have anything to say

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3wyl In reply to Blue-Bird-1494 [2010-04-14 11:05:45 +0000 UTC]

There's always something to say!

Well, for me, anyway.

If you try, I guess that's what counts.

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Blue-Bird-1494 In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 11:08:04 +0000 UTC]

I guess...

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3wyl In reply to Blue-Bird-1494 [2010-04-14 18:05:11 +0000 UTC]

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ayinvui In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 23:31:49 +0000 UTC]

I enjoyed reading this, very much.

I really don't care what I get back from commenting. I just... comment. I do that only to give support & say what i think about a certain art. Seriously... hehehe...I love commenting. ^^

VERY AWESOME ARTICLE!!!

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3wyl In reply to ayinvui [2010-04-14 11:05:20 +0000 UTC]

Aww, thank you for the support!

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ayinvui In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 14:06:56 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome. 8D

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Dumdodore In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 23:28:13 +0000 UTC]

I should try and be more active with commenting. Heck, this guide is quite useful. ^^
But then again, I've been wondering. We comment anyways, but would it be bad to say something nice in which you actually say that because deep down you don't find it cool/awesome/cute/etc?

Like lets say a person did a strange and cute picture (Try to imagine that). You loom at it, but you don't find it cute and feel uncomfortable at it. You feel like you wanted to say something nice to make up for what that person did.

"You did pretty alright!"

But deep down you think, "That's kinda creepy to me."

Is that a bad thing?

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3wyl In reply to Dumdodore [2010-04-14 11:05:04 +0000 UTC]

Hmm...

I guess that depends on how you see things... perhaps you may feel that way yourself, but the artist is another matter entirely.

But yeah, it's up to you. If you want to stick to what you believe in, that's fair enough, if you want to go with something different, that's fair enough, too.

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Dumdodore In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 11:44:31 +0000 UTC]

Yea that's what I feel sometimes. Sometimes a particular art looked odd in a way that I can't even describe what I think about it. I have great friends and I appreciate their talent, but sometimes they would pull out something that is kinda... difficult to say. I don't want to hurt their feelings, so the only way to avoid is to say something nice without putting real thought to it.

It makes me feel bad though. But with this guide, I wanna change that. I shouldn't lie like that anymore.

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3wyl In reply to Dumdodore [2010-04-14 18:09:55 +0000 UTC]

Hmm..

Well, if you feel that way.

Honestly, it's whatever you think is right and such. This guide doesn't necessarily apply to everyone.

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Dumdodore In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 19:31:30 +0000 UTC]

Yea, well, thank you anyways. ^-^
I shall do better.

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Dumdodore In reply to Dumdodore [2010-04-13 23:29:26 +0000 UTC]

Oops, it's *look, not loom.

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piwikiwii In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 23:22:59 +0000 UTC]

I guess I only take time to comment if something really stands out and seems important to me. I just don't see the point in saying anything if the only thing that came to mind was, "cool."

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3wyl In reply to piwikiwii [2010-04-14 11:03:51 +0000 UTC]

That is fair enough. To each his own.

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Nemonus In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 22:59:04 +0000 UTC]

Nice article! Personally I comment all the time; I never saw any reason why not, with few exceptions. I love to receive them, so addressing all the "excuses" is, in my opinion, a good thing.

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3wyl In reply to Nemonus [2010-04-14 11:03:41 +0000 UTC]

Awesome!

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Yajoovya In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 22:41:40 +0000 UTC]

This article is absolutely wonderful.
I agree with pretty much everything that is being put forward here, and it has been expressed very clearly - pretty much perfectly.
I admit that I'm a little bit disdainful of the second quote in the section 'Reasons Why'. It states that if you comment on other people's work, it will be more likely that people will comment on YOUR work. I don't like the idea of people giving feedback just for selfish reasons - just to gain more comments and more attention for themselves. I believe that it is better to give feedback on people's work to HELP those people. To show them what you like about their work, what you don't like, and how to improve.
But, apart from that, this article is excellent. And in any case, the article already says, many times, that 'helping the artist' should be one of the aims of commenting.
Well done everyone!

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3wyl In reply to Yajoovya [2010-04-14 11:03:28 +0000 UTC]

I think some people do that, though, regardless.

It's all just a way of keeping the balance between giving and receiving.

It is better to be selfless, yes.

Thank you for the support.

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metrotown In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 22:38:55 +0000 UTC]

While I appreciate what you're saying, I would hate for commenting to be perceived as a "duty" or something that's "owed." Personally, I'd rather get a comment because its author was inspired to do so by my art than because he or she thought it was the responsible thing to do. When I come across a piece that I really do find exceptionally interesting or beautiful or that just compels me to say something, that's when I comment. Otherwise, I just don't feel like I'm contributing anything at all - it almost feels like devaluing a piece to comment just for the sake of commenting.

I can't speak for others, but I'm grateful just for a favorite. :]

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3wyl In reply to metrotown [2010-04-14 11:02:35 +0000 UTC]

That is understandable.

To each his own, I guess. I would say that that is very tricky at the beginning when you're trying to find a place here on dA, though.

Perhaps from your point of view it is devaluing a piece of comment, but the artist might think differently.

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metrotown In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 12:55:50 +0000 UTC]

True enough. :] I guess there's really no "blanket judgment" that can be made.

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3wyl In reply to metrotown [2010-04-14 18:11:54 +0000 UTC]

Mm-hmm.

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LauraRobjohns In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 21:22:24 +0000 UTC]

nice article!










...

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3wyl In reply to LauraRobjohns [2010-04-14 11:00:41 +0000 UTC]

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JGS1989 In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 21:16:46 +0000 UTC]

Even if its not art, it is an interesting article worthy of commenting. It's very well organised and easy to read.

In my case, when I see the deviations I usually fave those that I felt as impressive or interesting, without commenting. It's more a mentality of collecting lots of arts I appreciate, which can be a source of inspiration for me later on.

A good article. I hope to see more of these in the future.

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3wyl In reply to JGS1989 [2010-04-14 11:00:36 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

Interesting... To each his own, I guess.

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theelfhybrid In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 21:09:00 +0000 UTC]

uh-oh. There goes my excuses. O_O

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3wyl In reply to theelfhybrid [2010-04-14 11:00:11 +0000 UTC]

I apologise about that.

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theelfhybrid In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 21:35:14 +0000 UTC]

naaah,I needed an excuse to let them go

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3wyl In reply to theelfhybrid [2010-04-15 13:31:48 +0000 UTC]

Ah, fair enough.

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GreenSprite In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 20:39:26 +0000 UTC]

Gosh you guys you make such a big deal out of it. Commenting shouldn't be an ordeal or a duty. I can usually spot a comment that was made just because the author thought that "commenting is nice/good/should be done", but didn't have anything particular to say about the piece. It makes me feel empty on the inside

So I say, comment only when you really, REALLY want to. And when you do, say what you want to say without fear of the reply. Even if you do offend someone, in 3 months time they will have forgotten. But if you have given them new insight on their work, even if uncomfortable, it will help them grow.

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3wyl In reply to GreenSprite [2010-04-14 10:56:29 +0000 UTC]

A big deal out of what?

That is true, to some respect... and yet, some of us need a little push because of laziness, procrastination, etc. I guess.. it all depends on how you view things. We all see things differently.

Honestly, I don't know about that. One could compare that with the world and ask how many of us want to stop poverty, diseases, abuse and all of that, and how many actually put that into action. It's all well and good wanting something, but... other factors play as well.

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GreenSprite In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 11:40:34 +0000 UTC]

No amount of external pushing will help you (it's a general "you") if you don't have the knowledge that hard work and trying again after multiple failures is the one and only way to achieve anything in life. Work a lot, work fast, don't seek feedback because you're your best judge. This is what I do when I really want to improve. I used to be a huge procrastinator myself and I'm left with little respect and hope for people who can't get over it.

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3wyl In reply to GreenSprite [2010-04-14 18:09:13 +0000 UTC]

Ah... I see.

Still, achieving things and whatnot is a another matter entirely.

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namenotrequired In reply to GreenSprite [2010-04-13 22:22:31 +0000 UTC]

As I view it, there's a difference between taking the time to write a proper comment, like #ProjectComment want to encourage us to do, and writing a comment for the sake of writing a comment. I try to comment where i can, but if i know i have nothing to say, i know that i better just not say anything. Although people contact me sometimes when they want me to comment on their pieces, and it's happened a few times that i didn't really have to say anything... so then I try to find something to comment about since they requested.

Perhaps it's just me, or because i mostly only comment on poetry which takes a different approach than many other arts.

I do totally agree with your last point though I was thinking the same, yet I couldn't have worded it any better - no, i couldn't have worded it nearly as well as you did.

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GreenSprite In reply to namenotrequired [2010-04-14 00:16:06 +0000 UTC]

I used to be a part of ProjectComment right when it started and I gave up because I actually felt that it was making comments feel fake. This was because of their "be nice" policy. Forcing yourself to find something good in every work you see is good. Forcing yourself to write a positive comment after you failed to see anything positive in it - not really. It cheapens the honest praise, you know?

Let's face it, a lot of deviants are beginners. Nothing wrong with that, but at that point critique is nearly impossible and nearly useless. There is no point in criticizing one's first attempt to draw a face. You just toss it and move on. Then you toss the next one and move on. At the very beginning you "learn by quantity". Critique might be relevant if by the time you get to your 30th portrait you still see no improvement. Defintiely not earlier, I'll be wasting both my time and yours.

All these suggestions about "praising the composition, color scheme" and so on makes it sound like we're all accomplished artists who spend months planning their works. In fact, most of us are kids having fun with colors (which is great) and there is really NOTHING DEEP about what we do a lot of the time. People should stop stroking their ego and stop trying to take things more seriously than they were intended.

Sorry for the rant, it's 3 a.m., I'm high on coffee and chocolate and have school work to do. Rants happen. I might not make sense now, but at least you liked my previous comment!

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3wyl In reply to GreenSprite [2010-04-14 10:59:58 +0000 UTC]

I am sorry to hear that. Why didn't you say anything? We could have taken your thoughts into consideration and done something about it...

after you failed to see anything positive in it

Whether something is positive or negative depends on how you perceive things. I don't think PC forces anyone to write a positive comment, as such... more constructive, but that's just how I see things.

And whether something is positive or not... That depends on who and what you are. I, myself, believe that every piece has something positive about it.

Practice helps, though, as you've sort of said in the second paragraph.

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GreenSprite In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 11:32:01 +0000 UTC]

I didn't say anything because I knew my position was unpopular. Doing something about it would have been against the core principles of the project. And frankly, I think it's good that the club exists with the current rules of "constructive commenting". A lot of people obviously benefit from it. It just isn't compatible with my personality, I guess

I'm less about niceness and more about calling things as I see them. In an ideal world, this would include being allowed to say "this sucks". (Of course, I'm ready to hear the same about my own work. My friends know this and I do get it sometime. It's fine.)

Seeing something positive in everything is... a very complicated issue. Of course even the fact that someone sat down and tried to be creative instead of say, stuffing himself with crackers in front of the TV, is commendable. If someone recycles waste into pieces of jewelry, I appreciate the thought, even if I would never wear them because they don't please me aesthetically.

But you see, these are all appreciations of things other than art itself. I appreciate how that person is living his life; but that doesn't change the fact that I think that aesthetically, his art is worthless. It's difficult to tell people this and not upset them.

In the end, commenting on strangers' work takes a lot of tiptoeing because everything you say could be taken the wrong way. (I know that because when I was younger and more vulnerable I got really offended about how certain people treated my art, and now I realise I shouldn't have.) And by the time I'm done sugarcoating things, I forget what I wanted to say initially.

At this point in my life, I'm pretty sure kicks in the butt help one evolve much, much more than nurturing appreciation does. Sure, a combination of both is best, but I still don't think the accent should be on niceness.

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3wyl In reply to GreenSprite [2010-04-14 18:07:47 +0000 UTC]

Ah... I guess I see what you mean.

That's fair enough.

Hmm...

You raise an interesting point.

Perhaps. It's all to do with who and what they are, really. One can never know that about another person just through their art.

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namenotrequired In reply to GreenSprite [2010-04-14 06:53:01 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, i see your point there.

I don't agree with you on that one... of course, if it is the very first time you create a piece of art, then that person can probably tell what he didn't like about it and such. But soon, in the beginning stages, there's a point where you have improved enough to make something better than the first try, and to tell whether you like how it comes out or not, but not so much yet that you can tell why it came out differently than you hoped (assuming it did).

Yes, that's true. but then usually the artist's comments make pretty clear how serious the artist takes his art.

Don't worry, it's a nice discussion.

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