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Many people ask themselves (sometimes on a daily basis) why they should comment on a piece of work. Whether it's just a deviation that pops up into our message centres or a deviation on deviantART's home page, what makes us decide whether we should, or even want to, comment on that piece?
Why do we bother? Or more importantly, why don’t we bother?
This guide explores the thoughts that we may have, the excuses we make, and, hopefully, a few thoughts to encourage you to comment, not just with a few words and that's it, but to really give a fellow artist a constructive comment that they deserve... that we deserve.
What is mentioned below is by no means accurate or complete and it does not apply to everyone. It was written by ProjectComment as a Group, by deviants, for deviants and we sincerely hope you enjoy reading this.
A massive thank you to annajordanart , catadescour , technochroma , Jenniej92 and xblackxbloodxcellx who all contributed in the making of this guide. Their efforts are much appreciated and they really deserve more recognition.
Commenting
Many of us do not have the time to constructively comment on deviations, even though we want to. As a consequence, we and run, we write a couple of words, or something else that takes less than a minute to do.
Is that it? Are our pieces reduced to only something that is worthy of one minute of a person's time?
How many of us browse the galleries, on deviantART, clicking on random deviations? How many of us see so many deviations that have next to no comments, or comments that only contain a few words?
One could argue that it is their own fault for not being more active and supporting other artists. Surely if they were more active, they would receive more comments, and that... that is true to some extent. Regardless, it should never stop us from commenting and giving people feedback on their pieces. The majority of us are artists, striving for the same goal, so why not help someone in the same position as you… as us?
If you don't have time to comment, that's fair enough, but for those that have the time, why not?
Reasons Why
"Commenting on other people's work is a great way to expand your own knowledge of different variations of art. It's also a key factor to an art community - conversing and interacting with other artists creates the 'studio environment' that many artists work to in their jobs.
Commenting also shows a bit of your personality, or even that you are an open person. If you leave comments on people's work they are more than likely to leave comments back - its like an ice breaker." ~ annajordanart
"Commenting helps you not only to give your opinion or viewpoint, it also lets you receive feedback on whether you understood a piece of art correctly. Moreover, you can learn from other cultures and become more open-minded." ~ catadescour
"There is always a point to sharing your thoughts on a piece, even if only to exercise your observational skills. DeviantArt is a community site and you should feel comfortable giving feedback." ~ technochroma
Fear is a factor that prevents some of us from commenting when it shouldn't: "I think most people are a bit afraid to give a deep comment, or just don't know what to say, or are afraid the receiver will be mad." ~ Jenniej92
Have you asked yourself, "What is the worst that could happen?"
You might get flamed/trolled/etc., but you are not forced to reply and you are not forced to see or read the comment. If the comment bothers you, delete it, never look back and move on. Your self-esteem/confidence/ego may plummet a bit from the encounter, but you have only conversed with one artist. Not all artists are the same and there are many out there who would appreciate any feedback at all, which leads us to...
Excuses
...the excuses we make.
My comment won't make a difference and won't do much, anyway, because there are already loads of comments and it's quite obvious the artist doesn't need their ego stoked any more. Thus, any comments made means nothing, and there is no point.
Although there could be many comments, really look at them and see how many just contain a few sentences. Are all of the comments constructive? If not, your comment still has a chance of impacting the artist, especially if your comment is in-depth. If your thoughts are parallel to those that are already said, then there really is no point in reiterating it, but many artists still like to receive feedback, no matter how many comments they have.
"Even if you point some "weak spots" out, but you're kind, the artist will surely make use of your comment and will appreciate your honesty." ~ xblackxbloodxcellx
Generally, though, "Artists appreciate and thrive on any and all feedback on a piece. It is doubtful that the artist would leave the comments option "on" if they didn’t seek feedback. " ~ technochroma
technochroma goes on to say, "Pretend the artist and the "already knows their piece is amazing" feeling doesn’t exist. Just look at the piece for what it is. This is kind of a reverse Zen technique where instead of being acutely aware or oversensitive at the loads of comments, we are only looking at the art piece for what it is. Then write the comment, look at it objectively to ensure it is balanced for critical and constructive criticism, and post it."
The deviation is not inspiring, does not interest people, people cannot connect, etc.
If you find a piece such as this, what more of a better reason than to comment? You can suggest improvements to be made, give general feedback or anything else to help them progress as an artist. The critique template with sections such as, 'Vision', 'Originality', 'Technique' and 'Impact' can greatly aid in the making of this comment.
"Art is individually experienced and should not immediately be dismissed as 'uninspiring'. While there may be design reasons for it to not be emotionally compelling, just look at the piece objectively." ~ technochroma
The medium of the piece is unfamiliar and I don't know what to say, because I am out of my comfort zone and depth.
You don't have to have specific knowledge of the medium to convey what you feel, think and see. Some artists are fine with just having feedback, any sort of feedback. Our guide How to Comment - Pointers and Examples lists all the things you could mention (General Pointers for All Categories) that can apply to every art out there.
"If you’re really stumped, at least write about what you feel from seeing the art. All art evokes a feeling – all humans experience art at very least on an emotive level." ~ technochroma
I can’t actually think of anything constructive so no comment is better than a non-constructive comment.
xblackxbloodxcellx has pretty much summed it up brilliantly:
"Take a deep breath and look at the piece again. Name three (or more) things you like most and try to think why you like them. Write them down. Then try to look for a couple of things you don't really fancy and again, think why they don't attract you this much. Write them down. And you've got a decent comment!"
Some people believe that if they have nothing worthy to say, then they shouldn't say it. This does not apply to everyone. Although you may feel like that yourself, try and empathise with the artist and think how they will feel. You may be pleasantly surprised that people may want a non-constructive comment.
If a comment is made, it makes me sound like a douche, people bite my head off, it’s not appreciated, people will call me names, etc.
If your comment is not disrespectful, rude or 'flame-worthy' matieral, then the majority of people will only be like that if a, they are trolls (in which case, stay away from them or if that is too late, delete the reply and move on), b, the comment you type is destructive (particularly focusing on tone, content and phrasing) or c, it's neither the above, in which case, it's best not to pay attention and take what they say to heart.
"Besides, there's a saying in my country, "nunca quedas mal con nadie", which refers to those people who avoid saying anything because they don't want to get in trouble with anybody." ~ catadescour
Is that what everybody should do every single time they get a negative reply? Should we skulk around in silence, scared that the same things will happen again?
NO! Take a stand, respect the artist for the path they have chosen (even if they don't respect you), and keep on believing that not everyone is the same. Try and comment on 10 random pieces and see if the replies you get are all negative. If you get one negative out of nine positive, doesn't that prove something?
"If you're kind writing the comment, it's highly predictable that the artist will be at least as kind as you were." ~ xblackxbloodxcellx
When the artist doesn’t reply to the comments, it could suggest that they don’t appreciate it, can’t be bothered etc.
The majority of artists have a reason for not replying to comments, don't take it personally. It doesn't mean that they don't appreciate every single one, though, and it doesn't mean they won't be read. Sometimes, time can be a major factor, as our lives outside dA are more important, the artist wants to save the comments in their message centre because they feel the comments are helpful, or they just don't want to reply and thank everyone generically.
The comment won't be read
That really is not possible unless the artist just deletes your comment from their message centre without even looking, and if they do that, why enable comments in the first place? The fact that a comment won't be read and that a comment won't be replied to are two separate things.
"It’s also really tough to tell another person’s message reading habits if you are not the other person. Just have confidence! If you’ve left a comment, your objective at giving constructive feedback has been fulfilled, and you should be proud that you have participated in a group effort to make DeviantArt a more enriching place." ~ technochroma
The fact that all there is in the Artist’s Comments is '…'
Some people feel that they shouldn't need to explain their piece, that it is all there up for your interpretation. Some people speak a different language and cannot portray what they want. Some people are in a hurry, or just don't want to distort your perception in any way so that you give your genuine impression.
Either way, it shouldn't deter you. It doesn't necessarily mean that you won't receive a reply. If a piece is beautiful and has "..." in the Artist's Comments, would it put you off from commenting more than a piece that is not quite so beautiful? Regardless of their skill, pieces shouldn't be judged in a way that one piece receives a comment over another that doesn't.
I comment, comment and comment, but I receive nothing. What’s the point? Why should I bother?
Selflessness, and the want to spread the love, to inspire other people to comment. It sucks when you do so much for other people and yet you receive nothing in return, but... look deeper. Do the people thank you for what you have done? Do they hug and smile at you? If yes, then that is its own reward.
Not only that, but keep hold on to the belief that what goes around, comes around.
Continue to be active, support other artists for just the support and the act of giving, and it will be reciprocated sooner or later.
Final Note
Hopefully this guide has given you a few things to think about. There are a lot of deviations out there with barely any comments, and deviantART is such a massive place, surely we should help as much as we can?
The most important thing to think about is to comment because you want to comment, to spread the love, to inspire others to do the same, or anything else that is selfless, not selfish. Set yourself a target to constructively comment on one deviation every day, or to comment on a deviation that has no comments at all.
Most of all, though, comment for art's sake.
Guides by ProjectComment A Guide to Commenting
5 Tips to Maintaining and Gaining Watchers
An Observation of deviantART
How to Comment - Pointers and Examples
How to Write an Artist's (or Author's) Comments
A Guide on (Offending) Comments
An extraordinary group you should check out…
Project-Pay-Forward ~
"We all know of deviants who need help from time to time. Sometimes it is in a monetary fashion - Like donations for causes, paying for a bill here and there or something else.
Other times it is a simple hug, a friendly hello, a newbie who needs a guide or the promoting of an event.
And who doesn't know of someone offering or looking for commissions?
Need advice on your work? A critique perhaps?
This is what Project-Pay-Forward aims to do: Help those in need, however possible. We all have our talents, and we all have things we would like help with. This project hopes to bring together the two and get things done."
Thank you for reading.
3wyl , posting on behalf of ProjectComment
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Comments: 528
BlackSoliloquy In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 00:25:10 +0000 UTC]
I'm really glad to see you taking this sort of initiative, this is a great article and I hope it does encourage people to start giving more valid thoughtful comments rather than just a couple of words people seem to post out of a feeling of obligation, friendship and just, really, in order to get their own work seen.
I cleared out my gallery here on DA last year because I wasn't getting enough feedback from watchers and I wasn't able to grow at all during my stay here, even though I joined the community in hopes of improving my art. I always tried to give the most amount of feedback to the people I watched and I know it made a difference from time to time. Thoughtful comments are rare to come across, and they are true gems. Hopefully this article will make them stop being so scarce!
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3wyl In reply to BlackSoliloquy [2010-04-14 10:10:06 +0000 UTC]
Indeed, I hope so too. It's a tough battle the project is fighting, but we're getting there.
The community here on dA is a brilliant one, but... it has its ups and downs.
Thank you for the support!
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to ??? [2010-04-13 00:18:03 +0000 UTC]
It frustrates me when I don't recieve comments on my work. I have over 100-something watchers, and get literally three comments on a picture that I've spent hours on. I hate it when people fave and run, but I'm not going to whine about it to my watchers or anything. Not like they'd respond to anything in my journal anyway, which is why I only write 8-12 journals a year, usually when something big happens.
Ugh, I used to have the policy for myself that if I was going to favorite a piece of work, I was going to comment on it, (But it had to be more than, "I like it" or "It's pretty".) I've been so bad at that lately I really stopped caring.
I hope that this article touches some deviants, I'd really like to see the community become closer.
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3wyl In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-14 10:08:51 +0000 UTC]
Ah... Yes, I have a theory that about 10% of watchers are truly active. It's a shame when things are like that, though. =/
We have listed a couple of guides that might help you with the comments and the watchers in this article, if you feel like you want to read them.
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-15 02:06:14 +0000 UTC]
I'll be sure to look up some of the other articles, and thank you for the reply. C:
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KellyDawn In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-13 08:53:48 +0000 UTC]
You shouldn't be drawing just to get comments from people, you should be drawing because you love to do it.
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to KellyDawn [2010-04-15 02:10:55 +0000 UTC]
But when you draw something that you're proud of, you want feedback. One set of eyes one a piece with a really thoughtful review thats inquisitive and intellectual is all I'd like. I'd like someone to tell me how my art (original, not fanart) makes them feel. I don't post my sculptures, or paintings, or really any sort of super original not anime work. I started drawing realism about a year ago, but I don't post any of that because no one ever gives feedback on it.
I do love to draw, but I also love knowing what sort of impact my art has on other people, and what kinds of thought it provokes.
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KellyDawn In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-15 02:48:46 +0000 UTC]
That's a a little on the vain side though, isn't it? To expect something you make to elicit some sort of profound emotional reaction from the viewer? I don't expect my drawings to make anyone feeling anything. If someone tells me they like something I've done, frankly I'm surprised. Than again, I really draw only for myself. If I like what I've done, that's enough for me.
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to KellyDawn [2010-04-15 03:04:19 +0000 UTC]
So you don't want feedback? Nothing to let you know that someone liked your work, or that it reminded them of something?
I don't expect a huge emotional reaction. I said that's what I'd like. I don't think it's vain at all.
I don't really draw for myself. I'd like to say I did, but I don't. If I only drew for myself, I'd never post anything. I don't draw any stupid fanart for myself, its for someone else to enjoy, if they can.
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KellyDawn In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-15 03:44:55 +0000 UTC]
Nope, feedback isn't important to me. It's awesome when it happens, but I don't expect it.
So wait, you draw fanart simply to cater to other people? I guess I don't understand the point of that. I think probably 95% of the fanart in my gallery was drawn for my own amusement, and the rest was drawn because someone gave me an idea and I felt like drawing it for them.
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to KellyDawn [2010-04-19 01:51:27 +0000 UTC]
Well I might draw fanart if I like the characters, but the only reason I post it is for someone else to look at.
I try not to expect feedback, because I never get it anyway, but I always end up feeling let down after I post a picture because no one ever comments. Feedback is important to me, so it's only expected for me to get upset and not feel like drawing for long periods of time.
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KellyDawn In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-19 05:59:35 +0000 UTC]
Okay, you've made it seems like no one pays attention to your art, but just looking at your last four deviations, you'd had a pretty fair amount of praise for your work. You should learn to appreciate what you have. Also, maybe more people would follow you if you updated more often - your last drawing is dated well over a month ago. If comments and attention are important to you, then you need to keep reminding other deviants that you still exist. People have short attention spans on the internet.
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to KellyDawn [2010-04-25 16:53:29 +0000 UTC]
Actually, my last drawing was posted on April 11th, and it's only the 25th. I don't really think five or so comments is a lot, especially when they're from the people you know in real life who see your work everyday. I appreciate that they comment, but just saying "cute" or "nice job" isn't really feedback.
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KellyDawn In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-25 17:04:59 +0000 UTC]
Wow, it's clear you won't be satisfied until you're raking in the comments. In that case, I advise you to a) keep practicing and become better, b) draw only fanart because DeviantArt is shallow like that, and c) pimp your gallery like mad.
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anim3admir3r In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-13 02:52:52 +0000 UTC]
Why don't you put your artwork in groups where they give critiques?
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hinatannaruto4ever In reply to anim3admir3r [2010-04-15 02:14:13 +0000 UTC]
Do you ever look at the artwork that comes from groups you're in?
I don't. I hope this answers the question.
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anim3admir3r In reply to hinatannaruto4ever [2010-04-15 03:17:35 +0000 UTC]
Sometimes, although it's been very flooded lately.
But sometimes it does work.
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TicklethePickle In reply to ??? [2010-04-12 23:47:20 +0000 UTC]
Id like to point out ,not rudely though ,that even those who 'favorited and ran' have in their own way commented . Perhaps not in words ,but to favorite, in my view ,is still giving an opinion ,I get this a lot .Most of my comment boxes are filled with chatter ,but I like this ,It lets me gab away without the ego stroking that Im not so fond off ,Im also one of those people who just dont take compliments well . Some people just arent comfortable with the whole comment/conversation/compliments thing because it does in the end lead to more commenting/conversation/compliments . Especially if your new and unsure of how to put things . As you can see I dont seem to have that problem
Great to read though
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3wyl In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-14 10:06:31 +0000 UTC]
That is true... although, maybe not 'comment', as such, but definitely given something... be it a view, a thought, or something else, it just depends on how you perceive things.
Interesting.
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TicklethePickle In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 18:44:15 +0000 UTC]
I think it comes down to comfort ,at least for me ,but I did catch myself last night commenting on a more serious note .This has worked on the sly for me without my knowing . Thank you sensai
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yeahgirl11 In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-13 08:38:51 +0000 UTC]
Good point. I agree with you. More people faved my last deviation rather than commented on it!
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TicklethePickle In reply to yeahgirl11 [2010-04-13 18:18:47 +0000 UTC]
I get the faves more than the comments ,at first when I was a new boob I used to think it was because my junk was exactly that ,junk .But now I sort of (emphasis on the sort) understand why they fave and run .It saves making an arse of yourself if you dont understand certain pieces ....... well for me anyway
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yeahgirl11 In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-14 00:36:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I totally understand. I do the same as well, or when I really don't have anything to say; sometimes I'm afraid of clogging up their inbox with a comment, but I'm pretty sure most artists will appreicate a comment, no matter how small it is. I know I do.
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TicklethePickle In reply to yeahgirl11 [2010-04-14 02:55:10 +0000 UTC]
Its the inbox clogging for me ,especially with mindless blah blah blahing ,Im not a blah blah kinda girl ......... well mostly But I do agree with appreciation . Id rather boxes of chocolates and flowers though
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yeahgirl11 In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-14 05:39:31 +0000 UTC]
Shipping is kind of expensive for chocolates and flowers though.
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TicklethePickle In reply to yeahgirl11 [2010-04-14 18:36:37 +0000 UTC]
But a good arm throw is free .Iv now being making more of an effort when commenting , noticed myself doing it last night .The power of suggestion eh!
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yeahgirl11 In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-15 06:04:12 +0000 UTC]
That's good! I need to start doing it as well.
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cabadrin In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-13 01:22:09 +0000 UTC]
I have to agree. If people like your art, and they fav that's already an opinion. While you might not get feedback on how to improve, at least you still know people like it.
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TicklethePickle In reply to cabadrin [2010-04-13 01:42:01 +0000 UTC]
Couldnt agree more ,I tend to find if they dont like it ,they will say so more willingly than say its good .But I suppose that an opinion as well . The favoring is good for me ,means I can sneak on their page and say hi and snoop about
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cabadrin In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-13 02:16:43 +0000 UTC]
Good to know I'm not the only one who does that!
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TicklethePickle In reply to cabadrin [2010-04-13 05:08:23 +0000 UTC]
I like being a ninja at times
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TicklethePickle In reply to cabadrin [2010-04-13 18:16:01 +0000 UTC]
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burgundyribbon In reply to TicklethePickle [2010-04-13 00:09:34 +0000 UTC]
hahahaha... that's sooooo me. :'D
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TicklethePickle In reply to burgundyribbon [2010-04-13 01:42:48 +0000 UTC]
aye me too ......
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WarriorofHeaven In reply to ??? [2010-04-12 23:35:53 +0000 UTC]
I agree with all of this completely, but I believe some of the points only work or make sense more in theory than some of the others.
It's important not just to say 'cool' or 'awesome!' One should take the time to say at least two or three things one liked about a piece of artwork; that usually goes much farther with any artist than just a generic 'good job' comment. More often than not, the more in-depth comments get replies. Speaking out of personal experience, I would go out of my way to thank people even if I had loads of comments, generally because I am indeed grateful and I wish to express that gratitude on a personalized level, and specifically because I put my art on DA for a purpose: NOT to get an ego trip, but rather to get advice and to positively impact and inspire people. Hopefully that should be all artists' motivations for their work.
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3wyl In reply to WarriorofHeaven [2010-04-14 10:04:49 +0000 UTC]
It all depends on who and what you are.
Indeed... and to explain why it was 'cool' or 'awesome'.
Quite a few people are like that. I thank every single person who comments because, partly, I don't ever want to take it for granted.
Oh yes, indeed. It is sad when an artist feels they need to produce because of their ego, self-esteem, or even popularity.
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WarriorofHeaven In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-16 04:26:01 +0000 UTC]
I agree! I definitely want to express my gratitude whenever I recieve a comment. Here here!
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KellyDawn In reply to ??? [2010-04-12 23:31:49 +0000 UTC]
I think the reason a lot of people don't get comments is because their art isn't very good and no one feels like telling them. Honestly, if I'm looking at a picture and it's just flat-out BAD with nothing about it that I like in any way, I'm not going to leave a comment telling the artist about how I feel. That's just cruel. Most of the time, even a "keep trying and you will improve" comment seems like it would be mean. In that case, it's best to just not write anything and move on.
Also, random thought, a thing that irks me about some comments is when folks comment on the subject of your drawing and not the drawing itself. Like say, for example, if I drew a picture of Inu Yaha (I never would, but still) and all my comments were like "OMG I LOVE INU YASHA HE'S SO KAWAII!!!", it would irritate me.
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3wyl In reply to KellyDawn [2010-04-14 10:02:49 +0000 UTC]
Hmm...
I guess there are quite a few people here who upload anything they produce without really thinking about it... =/
Or is it cruel to let them continue producing bad art? It's all to do with perspectives, in that sense.
Yes, I get what you mean. I guess it wouldn't really be a helpful comment... or anything constructive.
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KellyDawn In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 11:31:06 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, you bring up a good point. Though I think saying nothing to a terrible artist is, at least, less cruel than building them up with praise. I actually see a LOT of that here, and it baffles me. I wish it were easier to tell people their art is bad without coming across like an elitist dick and making them feel like crap. ):
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Beastgods In reply to ??? [2010-04-12 23:26:58 +0000 UTC]
Yes! i've been waiting that maybe someday i would get commented in a way reflecting the point presented in:
"The deviation is not inspiring, does not interest people, people cannot connect, etc."
But of course, that will never happen! lol
i'm starting to to wonder if anyone has ever done so anywhere though.
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3wyl In reply to Beastgods [2010-04-14 10:00:34 +0000 UTC]
How do you mean it will never happen?
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Beastgods In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-14 16:21:11 +0000 UTC]
i guess i think these types of critiques are hard to write.. o.o because i've never seen one outside DD suggestion comments! xD And i also tried writting them too, but failed
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3wyl In reply to Beastgods [2010-04-14 18:14:15 +0000 UTC]
Well, all you need to do is develop a rhythm and structure... I think.
At least you've tried.
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