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A comparison of era's i guess, with Classic DC Captain Atom and New 52 Superman giving their first respective broadcasts to the public concerning their now less than secret identities.The main difference is that Captain Atom's broadcast was him coming clean and telling people that he had been lying about things, while New 52 Superman's is his response to his identity being revealed for him by Lois Lane ( and in light of a baffling attack on him at the Daily Planet the following day by Killer Croc, Live Wire, Killer Frost, Atomic Skull, Shockwave, and a never to be see again 'Guy with a grudge because Superman didn't save his family' ). Anyhow, The two heroes have a very different tone about them.
I do miss the old DCU, where Superheroes would be just as likely be assailed by Press and P.R. agents as by outclassed villains when they revealed their identities. It somehow felt more credible, but then that changed by the 2000's even before the New 52.
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Slaughterox [2020-09-29 05:06:11 +0000 UTC]
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adamantis In reply to Slaughterox [2020-09-30 18:49:24 +0000 UTC]
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WDCain [2016-05-27 21:02:43 +0000 UTC]
This was pretty fitting and tragically accurate.Β I only have two series that really feature Captain Atom: Sup/Bats: Public Enemies and Armageddon.Β The second is amazing and really made me a fan of the character.Β Besides Demon Knights, Captain Atom Armageddon would be the story I wish WB would adapt for a movie (seriously, very little needs to be changed for that story to work).
While I'm more of a Marvel fan, Superman is one of the few DC characters I really follow and I wasn't too happy with how he was handled.Β Honestly, it was his first appearance in the new Justice League comic where he attacks Bats and GL with a smirk asking what powers they have.Β That just comes off like a bully.Β Compare this to how Captain Atom respond when Majestic first picked a fight with him in the first issue of CAA:
Captain Atom: "We really don't have to fight.Β So why do this?"
Majestic: "DIE!" attacks with only minimal regard for civilian bystanders.
Just another mistake of the new52 with Superman.
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Fairportfan [2016-03-20 06:15:34 +0000 UTC]
I was really disappointed by the DC version of Captain Atom. Β The Ditko original for Charlton was a lot better and made more sense.
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adamantis In reply to Fairportfan [2016-03-20 13:18:21 +0000 UTC]
It's all about preference i guess.
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Crimson-Kaizer [2016-03-15 00:21:29 +0000 UTC]
It still, to this day, baffles me as to why DC went into the darker and edgier direction with it's heroes. One of the main drawing points and things i loved about DC was how idealistic and Bright it was in comparison to things like marvel or image at them time. Β True, they had some dark moments, but at the end of the day, there was always a hope spot and a light at the end. everyone was (usually) happy, the villain(s) were beaten and the world/universe was saved.
Now though? Even after everything is said and done and the good guys win, there's always a hint that not everything is right or not everyone is happy.
What's with all this mistrust the DC heroes are getting now? Either from the public or each other. it feels like it's trying too hard to copy how Marvel was/is.
It's just really upsetting is all.
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adamantis In reply to Crimson-Kaizer [2016-03-17 20:23:02 +0000 UTC]
I agree, DC has long had its edge lying beneath the bright colours that gave it a sense of realism and solidity, but in spite of all that it used to still come across as a better world than the the one we live in.
There seems to be almost a fault in the method of storytelling, with stories leading into another with no satisfying conclusion, the 'event' stories of the last few years suffer from this.
That has been the most notable change, DC previously dealt with the mistrust of heroes being more low key and beneath a general acceptance among the public of Superheroes as a good thing, they were pretty much celebrities. Now the mistrust is so heavy handed in the comics that even Superman is regarded with overt suspicion.
It is a shame. The strange thing is that while DC seems to be trying to imitate Marvel comics, i find the current Marvel Movie universe feels more like the old DC comic Universe in tone.
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Crimson-Kaizer In reply to adamantis [2016-03-17 20:34:59 +0000 UTC]
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I mentioned Convergence before and that the only thing it did was show that New Earth still existed. Can't really comment on many other events as I've yet to read a lot of them.
"I agree, DC has long had its edge lying beneath the bright colours that gave it a sense of realism and solidity, but in spite of all that it used to still come across as a better world than the the one we live in."
This is what made DC feel unique. What gave it an identity of it's own. Β Now, it;s basically what Marvel was in the 90's...Okay, that's a bit of a stretch...
"It is a shame. The strange thing is that while DC seems to be trying to imitate Marvel comics, i find the current Marvel Movie universe feels more like the old DC comic Universe in tone."
I've noticed this as well. It's a funny old world we live in, huh? I hope i'm not coming off as whiny or like Superboy Prime("Everything was better on MY earth!" type deal) There are a few N52 comics and ideas I actually kind of liked.
ThunderTurbo123 [2016-02-02 19:52:50 +0000 UTC]
The thing is? I feel these days Cap Atom could honestly BE Superman far more than New 52 Clark, especially at the moment. I mean he was made by Charlton to be the "Superman" of their universe, and he does fit the bill. To me Nathaniel fits the exact bill of what you would get if you threw Captain America and Superman into a blender and yet stands as his OWN character. One of the BIGGEST, and I mean BIGGEST, insults DC has done is trying to constantly make him more and more like Dr. Manhattan. Even Grant Morrison went with this on the New 52 Earth 4 in Multiversity.
I get it, they don't wanna have that many "Supermen" running around the same Earth... It's why Billy Batson is so depowered now compared to Superman, but there are ways AROUND this! Depower in some areas and amp up in others! Pre-Crisis Captain Marvel? Not as strong as Superman exactly, but was more invulnerable. Magic says he's invulnerable? He's invulnerable. Same thing for Captain Atom, super strong and so on but put more focus into the scope of his energy powers but still basically keep what makes him HIM without being such a Dr. Manhattan knock off who people seem to forget was a take off on Captain Atom himself!Β
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adamantis In reply to ThunderTurbo123 [2016-02-03 01:13:08 +0000 UTC]
I agree, he is kind of the closest thing DC has to an analog of Marvels Captain America, but with superpowers. I'm not sure Morrison liked the 1987-2011 DC version of character, he seemed to ignore that version in favour of referring more to the Charlton Comics character or Watchmen's Dr Manhattan in his works.
The biggest pity is that in the current New 52 DCU, where Superheroes are more mistrusted, it would have been perfect to have kept to the original lines of Cap being a reluctant government spy posing as superhero and trying to reassure the public. Almost nothing needed changing, and so much could have been expanded on.
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Slaughterox [2015-12-27 04:16:19 +0000 UTC]
Never forget - Wade Eiling wears combat boots.
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adamantis In reply to Slaughterox [2015-12-27 20:58:24 +0000 UTC]
Ah the grand secret of Megala Β
I wish DC had stayed closer to the lines of their own original series when they gave him the New 52 treatment, it felt a waste when they really could have brought the character back to the foreground for new readers who have no idea about the character beyond the animated appearances.
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adamantis In reply to Miarath [2015-11-06 23:19:24 +0000 UTC]
It seemed a nice contrast, once i thought about it i had to draw it. Thanks
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overlordsam [2015-10-24 22:27:18 +0000 UTC]
Have you read Superman: Lois and Clark? It stars post-crisis Superman and Lois Lane as they take care of their child in Prime earth after being accidentally transported away from their post crisis world after Convergence. It actually quite enjoyable and is showing what Superman is all about.
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adamantis In reply to overlordsam [2015-10-25 15:31:52 +0000 UTC]
I have mixed feelings about it, but both Superman and Lois have been instantly more likable. I don't think DC have realised it kind of makes the New 52 look even worse.
As it was the New 52 DC overall seemed more downbeat and really not a great place to be compared to the old DC universe in its heyday, but now it turns out that the old universe Superman has been working undercover there and apparently is responsible for stopping the New 52 being an even worse place, which is kind of amusing.
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overlordsam In reply to adamantis [2015-10-25 21:33:14 +0000 UTC]
It was quite interesting to see Superman comment on the state of the world of Prime Earth it really does make you look back on the New 52 when it first started and this is coming from a guy who's been enjoying most of the New 52 comics I think they have been trying to improve the tone in recent times which is good.
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Randommode [2015-10-18 02:37:00 +0000 UTC]
lol It did, I can't say you are wrong. I suppose I always look at Bruce Timm's work as the last of the real DC Universe. He gathered the "Best Of" and wrapped it into one big awesome cartoon, creeper Superman is sadly going to get worse as the new movies reinforce that new dictator/bully image they are making for him. Ironically the Justice League cartoon did TWO full story arcs showing why this is not the way Clark will ever act.Β
Also good art Adam Β
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overlordsam In reply to Randommode [2015-10-24 22:29:09 +0000 UTC]
They're turning him into a dictator in the movie? Funny cause it looked like to me he was simply saving people and trying to earn their trusts while Batman is skeptical of him.
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Randommode In reply to overlordsam [2015-10-30 03:56:30 +0000 UTC]
lol I agree with that statementΒ
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adamantis In reply to Randommode [2015-10-18 14:05:04 +0000 UTC]
The animated DCU tended to handle the material very well on the whole, that current comic writers can't seem to manage it is a bit of a pity. I'm pretty sure the movie Superman won't go the same way as the comics one has at the moment.
Thanks
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Randommode In reply to adamantis [2015-10-30 03:56:16 +0000 UTC]
I was not too happy with movie Superman killing Zod, or a lot of the other questionable things he did- he's supposed to be so good Batman is like sigh... I am aware he is a bit less good then Bruce Timm's version, but he's not TOO far off. I think even All Star Superman was a lot closer to the ideal of how Clark is. (The comic)Β
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Crimson-Kaizer [2015-10-16 04:34:44 +0000 UTC]
Why dos new 52 still leave a bad taste in my mouth, even after Convergence?
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adamantis In reply to Crimson-Kaizer [2015-10-16 20:49:27 +0000 UTC]
I'm much the same, there is something not right about the tone and attitudes of many of the characters.
Now that i think about it, the Convergence event had very little real impact on the New 52.
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Crimson-Kaizer In reply to adamantis [2015-10-16 20:53:54 +0000 UTC]
All it did was show that the other universe still exist and FP just made another one. Meaning New 52 is an alternate universe...
Or Prime Earth is an alternate universe.
....Hm.
Either way, the door is open for more stories from Pre new 52, right?
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Spikeprime [2015-10-13 08:38:02 +0000 UTC]
Very nice work, and you really summed it up well here.
Ughh, jeez, I truly hate this current incarnation of Superman--basically written an idiotic, knuckle-busting douchebag who doesn't think about the consequences of his actions most of the time, doesn't learn any lessons, and constantly 'thinks' with his fists.
I can't wait for this DC universe to get erased, as it inevitably will.
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adamantis In reply to Spikeprime [2015-10-13 17:14:48 +0000 UTC]
Thanks .
The current Superman does come across as a bit brash and even lacking consideration for his actions, and a little too keen on brawling with things, which for the benchmark Superhero that all other heroes aspire to in DC is a bit odd.
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Spikeprime In reply to adamantis [2015-10-13 17:31:49 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, and save for a few moments, I haven't really seen much of the simpler moments he has of just being kind to people.
Like, in All-Star Superman when he comforted a jumper by telling her things are rarely as awful as they seem, and she has a greater inner strength than she knows.
Or, in Adventures of Superman where he receives a letter from a young girl with leukaemia who says she's his biggest fan, and he goes to visit her so he can say how brave and heroic she is for facing her problems as she does.
Moments like that are what made me love Superman as a character to begin with. In Action Comics, we have him throw a guy out of a window so hard that he breaks half the bones in his body, and he smiles about that fact. He terrorises an old man into 'confessing' to crimes which Superman has zero proof of, and when the police deny the confession legitimacy, Superman seems pissed off and surprised that it didn't hold up, despite it being very obviously coerced using massively illegal and immoral methods.
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adamantis In reply to Spikeprime [2015-10-13 20:41:09 +0000 UTC]
The sad thing is it isn't just Superman, the tone of a lot of the DCU and how things work within it feels wrong.
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Spikeprime In reply to adamantis [2015-10-13 20:47:25 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, even to a certain extent Snyder's Batman. I know a lot of people like Zero Year, and that's fine, but I felt it ultimately a waste of time that only served to add nothing of importance to the Batman mythos, and said nothing new we didn't already know, while simultaneously aping on and throwing out classic Batman lore, symbolism and iconography.
Also, Batman saying "I'll just lay here for a while with my friend" in reference to Joker. That is just wrong on every conceivable level.
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MoArtProductions [2015-10-10 05:05:15 +0000 UTC]
I miss the classic DCU heroes to, and suffice to say it doesn't seem like we'll be re-visiting the old continuity any time soon. (At least not in our life time) One can only the New52 has forged a proper continuity and writes it's heroes back the way they were.
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adamantis In reply to MoArtProductions [2015-10-10 19:41:21 +0000 UTC]
I agree, i can't see the current direction of DC going back, not willingly. That said, the New 52 continuity is so ill formed it does leave the possibility of shifting into something more familiar depending on the writer.
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MoArtProductions In reply to adamantis [2015-10-10 19:43:12 +0000 UTC]
Or editorial executive. Honestly part of me wishes that should DC close down, the rights for the heroes should move to either Marvel or WB.
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Lion-O-VS-He-Man [2015-10-10 04:25:35 +0000 UTC]
Nice work. Captain Atom coming clean was really heart breaking to look at, even if you've only read it in scans since his old series does not appear to be available in trade form.Β
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adamantis In reply to Lion-O-VS-He-Man [2015-10-10 19:37:10 +0000 UTC]
Thanks It's a pity that DC have actually published the Charlton Comics version and the New 52 version in collected editions, but not the version that established him as a DC Comics character.
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Lion-O-VS-He-Man In reply to adamantis [2015-10-11 03:38:12 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, that really does suck. Apparently they've never bothered making a trade edition of "Green Lantern: Mosaic" either.Β
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Kaoskid1 [2015-10-09 18:44:55 +0000 UTC]
Admantis, I actually had a really cool idea for a Captain Atom story where we have Captain Atom (Post Crisis, but having absorbed the power/energy of n52)Β Β chasing Monach across the multiverse, as Monarch gathers an army of the most evil beings in the multiverse to conquer all of creation. I'd call it "Quantum Quests"
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adamantis In reply to Kaoskid1 [2015-10-09 21:38:43 +0000 UTC]
Cool . I actually did my own story called 'Quantum Quest' a while back( it is a good sounding title ) although my own story wasn't as grand scale as crossing the multiverse.
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Connan-Bell [2015-10-09 18:19:19 +0000 UTC]
It does seem reasonable that both would happen... well, not that small-fry villains would be the ones to attack him, but the big players certainly would. You do have a point, though.Β
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adamantis In reply to Connan-Bell [2015-10-09 18:51:11 +0000 UTC]
I'd have thought the minor villains would give the area he works a wide berth now that they knew where to avoid The lack of a media circus flooding where Clark Kent lives in Metropolis, trying to follow him to get an exclusive interview/book deal/movie/etc just seemed odd to me.
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Connan-Bell In reply to adamantis [2015-10-09 21:20:07 +0000 UTC]
I can just imagine a ton of media peoples camped out at his house while Clarky hangs out at the fortress of solitude waiting for his fad to pass.Β
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adamantis In reply to Connan-Bell [2015-10-09 21:54:55 +0000 UTC]
That would make more sense than what they went with.
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