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Published: 2012-01-15 16:47:28 +0000 UTC; Views: 10982; Favourites: 858; Downloads: 94
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1) Sorry I can't reply to all, but thank you everybody for all your favs and comments! I'm so glad you like my work
2) You can give your own opinion, but please, be respectful with the others. Free insulting won't give more power to your arguments.
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Unfortunate, but true. :[
Either way, glad I got to talk to you (and you weren't chased away by my initial harshness). Actually made me think a little bit, which is sadly a rather unusual circumstance on the internet.
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Yes, I also really enjoyed talking to you! It is nice to have a good discussion on the internet once in a while, however rare it may be.
Actually I don't think you were too harsh, you did show that you knew what you were talking about and that you weren't just rambling. It made me think, and I appreciate that.
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Really? Hm. Maybe harsh wasn't the best word. Cocky? Arrogant? Egotistical? I think those might be a pretty good fit for the way I tend to see myself in arguments (moreso on the internet than in real life, but that's generally a given). But whatever the case, glad to hear I was able to make you think too.
Even if I don't always succeed, that's usually my primary intention when I talk to/argue with people on the internet.
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Haha, I'm like that too, but not only on the internet. I just get a bit passionate about discussions, and that gets expressed in arrogance, harshness and that kind of things. I thought you were like that too, so I didn't take it personally. I know I'm acting the same way so I don't complain. For me it's a sign you take it seriously, I guess.
For me it's not really my intention to be that way, it just happens. But that's what makes me more convincing.
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I'd say that's highly arguable, Japanese people who believed in the sars outbreak wore masks and reduced their risk of catching it. That could apply to any number of things.
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man look at all these edgy fourteen year olds who use atheism as an excuse to pretend they're better than everyone else
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Are they any worse than the holier-than-thou, fourteen year olds who use their religious beliefs to pretend they're better than everyone else?
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nope
they're just on the internet more
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No one's better than anyone here, except maybe Chuck Norris. Don't get your knickers in a twist.
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Fortunately for me, I don't wear knickers! Problem solved!
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I thought that was the *only* way to go. Huh. My mistake.
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What's the deal with all the people without underwear?
This stamp is pretty stupid though, I find her comments to be slightly uneducated...
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I mean, I'm not saying there's anything -wrong- with people who wear underwear... just that, in doing so, they are definitively surrendering the possibility of being as pure and good of a human being as I am. That's all.
In all seriousness though, I don't see anything wrong with the stamp. It's not intentionally provocative to anyone, and near as I can tell it's a pretty truthful statement that a lot of people could do worse than to listen to.
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I suppose so, but of course, why do things exist if we can't believe in them? In my heart I feel like everything has a purpose, when it will be revealed, I don't know. Nothing takes on its form unless someone believes in it. It goes for people too, it's like watering a plant, it cannot grow without encouragement, the encouragement being water. It has to matter, maybe not in conversation, but somewhere it matters. My two cents.
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Well, that's just it. You're free to believe whatever you want. If it exists, then it doesn't matter who believes or doesn't believe because no one can really be sure which side is right or wrong. If it exists, then it exists. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
The main point is that there is no sense in arguing over who believes in what. It's just destructive, and not conducive to a healthy, happy relationship between fellow human beings.
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I'm in love with your signature, bro.
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Mmmm.. tell that to Iran with regards to Israel.
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-_- I'm starting to believe in the boringness of stamps.
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I like this--people automatically think of religion but it is so much more than that.
For example, the gay issue. Just because you (you being anyone) believe gays should or should not be gay, that doesn't make them any less of who they are. What you say does not matter. And it should not either.
So yeah, good job. Everyone, think outside the box, it's not just about God.
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Agreed. I think this speaks more to ignorance, unintentional or otherwise, than anything else.
People live in little cocoons where the only things that exist to them are what they believe to be right, and insist anything outside of that circle is wrong or just doesn't exist. My interpretation of this stamp is the idea that there are things outside of that cocoon, and it really doesn't matter what the people in the cocoons think about it.
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exactly my thoughts, thank you!
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What? Yes it does, If say God were to exist, i'd say it's way more important to believe in him than it would be if he didn't exist.
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so what are you ceirtain of its existence? can you trust of what your senses and the experiences of others tell you?
can you be positive about your past, that your memories don't betray you? ^^
my point is; if you really believe something (like, for example, that other people exist and are not AIs), until something proves you wrong (some physical or logical evidence for example) i'ts like your beliefs are true.
you can be crazy, you can be an illogical creationist for example, but you'll live your reality as it was true.
btw have you read 1984? they treat this topic quite interestingly
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Yes, you are correct.
But i think her point here was that if Christians truly believe in god, (to use this as an example) then it really shouldn't matter what Atheists or other religions believe. (Because, technically god is real to them.) And that they shouldn't go shoving down people's throats or whatever.
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humm you can ceirtanly see it this way ^^
but you see, there are so many things that make the god unbelievable as the catolic church pictures it
so in my opinion a smart person can have at much a personal spiritual opinion of god, if any
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Also true: if it really exists, nobody ever discusses whether they believe in it. Nobody ever says "Hey, do you believe in toothpaste?" because toothpaste is real. This holds true for 100% of things that actually exist.
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So we all have to unanimously believe something is real for it to exist? People didn't believe the world was round hundreds of years ago but I'm sure you believe it is now.
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No, I said the opposite of that. It's a simple corollary to the Deviation's own point: not only do real things not require everyone to believe, they don't require _anyone_ to believe.
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I just realized this was already said and am shutting up...
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So are you saying everyone has to unanimously agree something exists for it to be real? Most of the world didnt believe the world was round hundreds of years ago but that doesnt mean it wasnt
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Not true. People discuss whether the string theory is real. They discuss whether or not new scientific concepts are real. They discuss the validity of art. They discuss the validity of music. Your statement is completely ignorant.
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People discuss whether string theory is _correct,_ which is an entirely different matter from discussing whether it really exists. String Theory absolutely exists, and only a madman would question that. Intelligent people discuss its applicability _because_ it exists. People discuss the "validity" of art as a subjective measure of value, which is not the same as discussing whether a given work exists. The existence of (for example) the above deviation is not in question.
My statement is fact.
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OMG A PERSON IN THE INTERNET SAID IT THEREFORE IT MUST BE TRUE.
Riiiiiiiiight. I'm about done with this discussion. Can no longer take myself seriously, let alone anybody else.
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I wouldn't sat 'completely ignorant'. Words like 'real' and 'exist' can be argued about all day. Simplest example I can think of is 'the Matrix'. who defines what is 'real'? I believe *Temphis was speaking in a simplistic nature, his/her example was toothpaste. I don't think it's very productive to propose a complex argument to a simplistic statement. (at least not in this instance)
also you bring up 'validity'. that is a completely different topic. the terms on the table here are 'believe' and 'exist'. lets talk about them.
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My observation was simple, but apparently too complicated for ~marlowespirals to follow
As you say, validity is a separate concept. The same applies to scientific theory: the _existence_ of String Theory is not in doubt and is never a topic for discussion. A theory exists as soon as someone expresses it. The _correctness_ or _value_ of String Theory is discussed, but that's a separate question from belief in its _existence,_ and my observation (as per the title of the Deviation) is about existence.
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So if anything is in doubt it doesnt exist until proven? The idea of the round world was not even introduces until recently so before that the world was flat? Or does everyone know everything now and back then they didnt? I believe that marlowespirals was partially correct. You're just saying because a lot of people disagree it's not real. I could say every history lesson you've ever learned is fake. How can you prove the government didnt just make it up and now everyone believes George Washington was our first president? How can you prove God exists or not? How can you prove the Big Bang happened? You can't, so don't say its right cuz a bunch of people say it is, say you believe it's right. Technically, everything you said assumed you had faith that scientists are always right, which is completely untrue. No society was or ever will be perfect
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I didn't say any of those things. In fact, I said the opposite of all of them.
Try reading more carefully.
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