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Published: 2016-02-12 21:36:12 +0000 UTC; Views: 4025; Favourites: 47; Downloads: 0
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It's okay to love a ship and support it 'til the end, no matter if canon, non-canon or crack. Shipping is all about love after all.But when you put that ship over the characters' happiness, when the ship being canon is the only thing that matters, then it's wrong to say to like the characters involved... it's wrong to say you are a fan of that character... you are not, you are just a radical shipper.
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That can only be applied to radical shippers in that fandom. NaruSaku fans are geat people overall
Supporting a different pairing doesn't make you automatically annoying... there are also radical shippers among SasuSaku/NaruHina who insult others or say that if the ending (regarding ships) were different that would have ruined all characters development.
Radical shippers never STFU!
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Good points. Most of Team 7, except for Kakashi, aren't my favorites but I do like Team 7. And regarding the ending, I do have my complaints but it could have been worse.
Its one thing to look at the canon parings from a “critic's eye” standpoint, basically point out any actual flaws or bad things. But mindlessly bashing them is not going to earn you anyone agreeing with your views.
I can say one good thing came out of the ending- Naruto became Hokage. That was Naruto's goal the whole time and he achieved it! And I was thankful it didn't pull a Mass Effect 3 ending...that'd royally suck. People are still sore from Mass Effect 3's ending...I've moved on long ago and said I wasn't going to complain that much about Naruto's ending if Naruto became Hokage, since I wanted to see him become Hokage since that was his dream and goal.
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We had Naruto as Hokage, Sakura fighting alongside her two team-mates instead of staying behind like at the beginning of the series... and our final Naruto vs. Sasuke with the last one accepting Naruto's superiority.
This is what the story focused on to begin with and we had it. There are still some things to complain about concerning the ending (some fans think we should have had Naruto talking about how much the Hyuga clan had changed, some believe Sakura would have been an excellent hokage-counsellor, others complain about Sasuke's punishment being too light...). Yeah, there are stuff people expected to be different concerning the last chapter (me included), but overall it doensn't effect Team 7 development.
And then, we have pairings. Of course, there are shippers who just doesn't like the final pairings and had their own versions and alternative universes changing that small detail, which is totally great (I'm in love with that NaruSaku OC son, so precious)... because it's just that, a detail.
Kishimoto doesn't take romance too seriously, he even admited he had no idea about how to write it. He kinda changes his mind ocasionally or just ships characters randomly because reasons (ChoKarui... *cof*)
For him it's just an ultimate detail to end a story, but what gives importance to a character is how he/she has achieved its goals and become a better fighter, friend or, overall, a greater human being.
Just one chapter can't erase all the development a character has just because of who he/she has married. It's just a complement you can agree or disagree with... but that's all.
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Naruto becoming Hokage was one of the most important things in the story, I wanted to see him achieve his goal. 
And true about Kishi, no one is truly the best at everything. And doing manga is hard work. Its not just writing, whoever does it is drawing too.
You do have some very good points too.
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A-1 Fucking right mate, it¿s time for all those stupid-ass butthurted haters to stop bitching about the ending, I mean for fucks sake, they have Fanfiction to create their own fantasy world, why harrass the creator himself for giving the series he already OWN, especially after a goddamned year.
Then again, they are not even fans of the series, the majority of them are twilight-esque-vampires obsessed fangirls.
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It's understandable to dislike an ending if something really bad happened to your favourite character, but all I read concerning the anti-ending movement are shipping comments.
Is that all that matters, who marries who? I'm a LeeTen fan myself and I'm more concerned about her having her dreams come true (is she a legendary kunoichi?) than what her surname is. It's all about priorities.
The point of this story is how you can achieve your goals, not romance.
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*sarcasm on*
Oh yeah, Naruto is completely out of character because of Hinata's involvement. How dare he grow up and learn the true meaning of romantic love!
Yes, Sarada's character is completely defined by on who Sasuke married!
And how dare Sakura stay at home to take care of her daughter! Everyone knows housewives are weak!
*sarcasm off*
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Yup. This is what made me so mad when Naruto ended.
Everyone that disliked the ships that happened, suddenly said Kishimoto sold out, Naruto wasn't himself anymore, Sakura lost all her character development (a legit reviewed on AnimeNewsNetwork even said this, which made me so mad), and Sasuke didn't matter anymore.
They need to stop saying they're fans of these characters when they tear apart everything they did just because a ship didn't happen.
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This is something I've only seen in the Naruto fandom.
In other series, who marries who is like an extra, not the main purposse the characters have... so fans kinda ignore the ending and bring up their own headcanons and alternative universes without teasing others or bitching about the characters.
Why can't this fandom be the same?
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You know I used to like NaruHina but when I kept searching for Hinata topics I kept finding anti-Hinata forums (and I was looking for things one would think immediately excluded that type of content). I finally said to Hell with NaruHina after the fifth time I found someone blaming Hinata for Naruto’s terrible parenting. Wound up creating an oc for her and Himawari... and Ino and Inojin... currently debating on whether to add Sakura and Sarada.
the thing is most of those same people bitch about Chichi being a bad wife because she keeps nagging Goliath to be a better dad and husband.
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Funny how they always blame the wife, and not the father with the shitty job... as a matter of fact, they should stick to blame the job itself XD
In Shikamaru's novel we find out about how barely he sees his family and that is affecting his relationship with his wife.
In both Naruto's and Shikamaru's situations children take things differently:
- Shikadai preffers to ignore the whole issue because Temari is mad enough for him to be dramatic too.
- Boruto tries to protect both Hinata and Himawari from pain by becoming the loud mouth kid who complains openly.
So we have good parenting with these two (as it is openly stated how much they love their mothers), but as pre-teens they make their own choices based on personality or their own family differences.
Simplying the problem to "the mother is 100% to blame" is SO old-fashioned and painful to hear I wonder if they want realistic children or robots.
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Yeah and they always wanna excuse Sasuke because apparently he was on a ‘top secret mission’... i’ve read that panel so many times cause sasusaku fans like parading it around to prove he’s a better dad.... thing is they misread it; the way I read it Sasuke basically tells the jags he’s gonna go look into this whether they want him too or not and they’re going to tell his daughter and babysitter (still not convinced Sakura is mom... umbilical chord charm is just too important in the culture) that he’s on a top secret mission instead of not wanting to see them.
I don’t know that i’d blame the job in Naruto’s case. I’d definitely blame Hiruzen, Jiraiya, and Tsunade for brain washing him into believing the village always came first... despite several instances where they themselves didn’t put village first... he’ll even Minato put his needs before the village.
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Th top secret mission thingy is the best example of Kishimoto's lame writing.
Even if he couldn't stop investigating to visit, because the other kage hated his criminal ass (as seen in the novel) he has a mobile phone and a hawk with him.
He is seen sending letters to Naruto using the bird, so why not sending one to your daughter? It's not like her identity is being kept a secret... everybody know she is an Uchiha!
Also, even if he is bad with technology and can't use the mobile phone, why not showing him struggling to learn how to send a picture or calling from time to time?
It makes no sense for Sasuke not being able to contact for a decade, it just doesn't. It's the cheapest drama he could have pulled off.
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The ‘secret identity’ of a child trope is really really hard to do... kishi failed miserably in the original series. I remember taking one look at the picture of Minato when Hiruzen was consoling Anko about failing to kill Oro in th Forest of Death, and thinking: ‘well i’m pretty sure I just found Naruto’s dad’ (this was back when Shonen Jump had just finished the Chunin Exam Prelims). I was so sure that I emailed SJ and asked ‘so if the Fourth Hokage is Naruto’s father does that make Tsunade the mom’.
I can kinda understand not using the phone. I think it’d be kinda like how Naruto congratulated Boruto for graduating through an email when he had literally seen him in person 5 minutes before. Definitely some afterthought in that exchange.
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The difference being Sasuke hadn't seen his daughter in years.
She would have felt so happy to receive a message/call from her dad.
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True she would have and i’m not saying it’s right.
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Because this fandom is full of immature people who can't accept that Japan is a different country than the US and that Naruto is not a typical Shonen. P:
Right now, the only manga that I actively read that have ended are Naruto and Ouran High School Host Club. Surprisingly, both endings came out in my favor for ships, but that wasn't the point in Naruto (may have been in Ouran, but I haven't read everything yet). Naruto was about the main character fulfilling his dreams and rescuing Sasuke from the darkness, both of which happened. It was a happy ending.
These people honestly expected Sakura and Naruto to leave Sasuke in the dust (because he was evil, "abusive", and all the crap they make up), and be with each other instead of being with who they were really meant to be with.
And Kishimoto had confirmed that he had SasuSaku planned since 1999, when he started this manga. It really just makes me mad when this fandom pulls this crap, trying to say Kishimoto didn't know what he was doing when he wrote the ending or "sold out". It's just so stupid.
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I honestly don’t see why NaruSaku fans stayed around. The only thing Kishimoto could have done to make it more obvious NaruSaku was dead back before Sasuke even went rogue was to throw a party and hold a press conference over it.
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Well, he also admited to use Kushina's parallelism with Sakura on purposse and to write NaruSaku pandering in part 2, so NS fans believing in those two ending up together was not that crazy. Also, not all of them wanted Sasuke to remain in darkness, just him to be with a different gal in chapter 700, but still living in the village with his old team and enjoying a happy ending.
As I said, shippers are not the problem, and I don't want to bring up pairing wars here. I love NaruHina, SasuSaku, NaruSaku and SasuKarin, so that's the last thing I'm looking for. All those pairings have their reasons to be supported and should be respected.
The problems are radical shippers, we can find them in ALL FANDOMS, including canon and non-canon. This post focuses on the latest option because they are the noisiest ones right now, but I could perfectly make another pic with canon shippers saying that if "x" had ended up with "y", that would have ruined the character's development and make them hate these characters.
That puts them at the same level of stupidity.
This is not a shojo manga, this is not about romance... as you said, this is all about people achieving their goals and becoming better ninjas and human beings. And I think that worked pretty well for Team 7 in particular, whoever they chose to marry in 700 can't change that.
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My view comes from Tumblr, which is probably where people scream the loudest and believe the most lies, so, yeah.
Majority of those on Tumblr wanted Sasuke to either die or leave the village to be with Karin, even though Kishimoto had shown that to clearly not be an option for him (either of those actually, is what I mean).
I agree, they should be. The moment people start taking their frustrations about couples not becoming canon, on those whose ships did become canon is where the problem comes in.
I agree again, it did work out for them! Naruto is Hokage and has a loving family, Sasuke is protecting the village and has his own family now, and Sakura, according to the Hiden novel about her, has become a successful medic nin, opened a facility for children with mental problems because of the war (I think that was it; I haven't read the novel yet), and has a child with the one she always loved.
How could anyone hate such a happy ending, when all the characters are happy and it's peaceful?
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