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CodeHeaven In reply to Koshej [2015-11-10 11:31:30 +0000 UTC]

Well, Kishimoto planned to make NaruSaku the main pairing at some point of the story, most likely because he wanted Sakura's character to be more popular with the audience (he couldn't understand why people thought Hinata was more likeable). So there is some Naruto/Sakura development in Orochimaru's hideout arc that made me liked the pairing.

But later on Kishimoto felt ankward about this because making Sakura confess her romantic feelings towards Naruto after Pain's arc might make her look as a terrible woman who only cares about popularity or power. So he decided to return to his original plan and made NaruHina/SasuSaku the main couples of the story.

So, more than crack (which means that is has 0 development and makes no sense), NaruSaku is a non-canon pairing. It could have happened, but the author decided otherwise. I don't really care, because NaruHina and SasuSaku are great!

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Koshej In reply to CodeHeaven [2015-11-10 12:09:10 +0000 UTC]

I really dislike the way he did SasuSaku.
It's so forced and degrading for Sakura, ugh.
If anything, I kinda wish he'd somehow ended up with LeeSaku and SasuXXX (probably Karin, but that's also forced).
Or at least made Sakura have some REASONS to "love" Sasuke - as opposed to the OBSESSED FANGIRL she ended up staying FOREVER.
That single moment of "love needs no reasons" RUINED SasuSaku and Sakura BEYOND REPAIR.
I fully agree with "loving DESPITE", or "loving IN SPITE OF", or the more common "loving FOR A REASON".
But I give NO credence to "loving FOR NO REASON" - that's a SELF-CONTRADICTION in terms, really.

NaruHina, though, was done well enough - and I don't care what haters say, I liked the pairing in the manga, not in the fillers.
If anything, the movie kinda degrades their manga-developed relationship, not enhances it.
The reason is simple - NaruHina ISN'T a "sappy romance" couple to begin with, it's a much more REALISTIC relationship, based upon mutual respect and similar life goals, instead of bodily lust or pinkish clouds in the eyes.
If anything I consider that to be much more important than "romance" that is much less rooted in the actual persons involved.
"Love from first sight" must aways be aided by "living together through fire and brimstones" later on, or it WON'T endure.

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CodeHeaven In reply to Koshej [2015-11-10 14:58:37 +0000 UTC]

According to Kishimoto there is a reason for Sakura to love Sasuke but he decided not to add it in the end because he thought it was controversial, so everything ended up with the "there's no reason..." and the "once a girl falls in love..." famous quotes. 

The anime team decided to make it a crush born from looks that later developed into love: "His cool looks were enough for me to fall for him"
Wonder if that was Kishimoto's controversial reason or if they failed at guessing.

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Koshej In reply to CodeHeaven [2015-11-10 16:23:05 +0000 UTC]

So it's basically between a stupid crush and a stupid obsession.
Niiice...

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kyoandyuya In reply to Koshej [2016-12-21 02:42:40 +0000 UTC]

Much better than Karin who was a more obsessive version of pre-Shippuden Sakura any day though. And obsessed is hardly what I call this when Naruto himself does it more than Sakura herself. Besides, isn't that a trend to never give up because of your feelings?

There is also this. There are other people out there who falls in love with others "for no reason". So then, because they can't explain why they love the other party, does that makes their feelings less valid?

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Koshej In reply to kyoandyuya [2016-12-21 09:15:33 +0000 UTC]

Have you ever met such people in REAL life?
Did they MARRY in the end?
Did that marriage actually LAST?
Sure anything CAN happen - but to me, there's little-to-no difference between "falling in love" with someone's looks (without knowing the person behind those looks whatsoever), and "falling in love" for no definable reason altogether (when one can't even point out WHAT is it that they LOVE about the other person).
Sorry, but I don't support "love" that lacks BRAINS behind it.

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kyoandyuya In reply to Koshej [2016-12-21 12:01:54 +0000 UTC]

Yep, my parents.
Yes they did.
Yes, they're STILL TOGETHER for more than 20 years until now.

I can see them argue from time to time but they're surprisingly compatible because they respected each other. They certainly didn't start the easy way but they managed to work it out and stayed together.

I can see your point because I too believe it. But we can't just simply disregard situations like this. There are surprising stories of love unexplained both in fiction and real world. So yes, I'm more open where their relationship is concerned especially since there's actual development from the manga right from their genin days.

By the way, you never did address my question: because they can't explain why they love the other party, does that makes their feelings less valid?

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Koshej In reply to kyoandyuya [2016-12-21 14:09:07 +0000 UTC]

Answering:
Yes, because in my opinion, the very definition of "love" needs a CAUSE for its EFFECT - whatever that be, but not "just because".
Actually, even "love from first sight" HAS a CAUSE - it's that FEELING one gets from seeing (or even thinking about) the other.
Sakura pretty much lacks EVEN THAT.
And such a feeling would still be very shallow in comparison to the avalanche of personal reasons we DO get from Hinata - in SPOKEN FORM no less.
I think that Sakura simply got unlucky to being in the same manga as Hinata - Hinata's feelings are so intense that they overshadow whatever "feelings" Sakura might have of her own.

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kyoandyuya In reply to Koshej [2016-12-22 09:45:28 +0000 UTC]

Not everybody hold the same opinion as you. As you said, it's your opinion. And it's already clear to me that your reasons for hating Sakura's undeclared reasons is just your own anti perspective whether you realize it or not. How did Sakura lack CAUSE for her FEELINGS for Sasuke? She found him attractive, that is one of the traits people would actually seek to choose their potential partners. It's not different from finding someone attractive because they're smart, kind or possess whatever criteria you would want your future partner in life to have and be.

And again, if we remove Hinata's "SPOKEN REASONS" she would be no better than a shallow girl who would give up just because those reasons would no longer apply. If Naruto turned evil, which would automatically removed those reasons, would she even hang on to him? I doubt it. Hinata's love revolves on Naruto's positive traits. And of course, going by that logic, if Naruto had been the one to turn evil then she would no doubt abandon any feelings she harbored for him.

Since you applied real life here, I'll also use it to prove mine:

It's no secret that people married because of their own reasons. It's also no secret that many fall out of love because those reasons no longer exist and they would in turn seek someone new who fulfilled those expectations. This is not only common in stories, we actually get to see them in real life. Celebrities are most notorious for this. Why do you think they would divorce left and right? Obviously because whatever reasons that tied them to their chosen partners no longer worked for them. So they will find someone new to fulfill what their former partners can no longer uphold. Sometimes they just lost whatever feelings they have because somewhere down the line, they realized that their reasons for loving someone no longer works. Hence divorce occurs.

Now I'm not saying that that's the only scenario valid for divorcing someone but it sure made up majority of the break ups nowadays.

On the other hand, there are also stories of people who still remained married despite others telling them that their significant others are not good enough for them and when people asked them why they would still stick, they can't give a just answer. It's "just because" for them. They can't give any actual reasons and when they do they would say that they love their partners so deeply. Not really that different from Sakura's love from Sasuke. And yeah, I'm also a witness to this. My aunt herself was an example of this as well as a former neighbor. My aunt's still with her husband as well as that neighbor and they have no plans of leaving their other half even if they could. I know this because one of my current (and long time) neighbors still have contact with that former neighbor and as I heard, they're still together so there is that.

Using these scenarios, Hinata's actually the one whose "love" is overshadowed by Sakura's "feelings" and not the other way around. Why do you think Sasusaku is so popular?

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Koshej In reply to kyoandyuya [2016-12-22 10:49:15 +0000 UTC]

I think we understand the word "reason" differently.
And I think this gets too long for my liking.
Let's just agree to disagree.

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kyoandyuya In reply to Koshej [2016-12-22 12:17:22 +0000 UTC]

I'm definitely certain we're on the same page but then I'm tired myself so I'll just leave it there.

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CodeHeaven In reply to MizunoTsubaki [2015-11-05 10:14:35 +0000 UTC]

Thanks ^^

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MizunoTsubaki In reply to CodeHeaven [2015-11-06 15:04:47 +0000 UTC]

You are very  welcome T.T

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