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Kiba928 In reply to celticknight221 [2015-05-27 06:45:41 +0000 UTC]
Depends on the pilots' skills.
"It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools"
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celticknight221 In reply to Kiba928 [2015-05-30 18:53:10 +0000 UTC]
And yet... I'm not a fan of the Falken. I'll take a Wyvern, Tomcat, or the Nosferatu any day. Even the Su-35. And you're right. It's not the plane that wins the battle, but the pilot.
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Distantstarr In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-04-28 23:12:51 +0000 UTC]
this is the new Su-35S.
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-28 23:28:11 +0000 UTC]
So that version doesn't have canards?
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Distantstarr In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-04-29 22:16:42 +0000 UTC]
Yup, check this vid out
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQmzP7β¦ Β
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-29 23:07:22 +0000 UTC]
The Flanker isn't stealth, but that video's title says Β it is.
Am I missing something? Did they make a stealth Flanker version?
Like the Russian F-15SE? XD
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Distantstarr In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-04-30 01:30:06 +0000 UTC]
No this one is not stealth, the title is wrong. But they produced the T-50 (PAK FA) Β Which is a different sukhoi and stealth.Β
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-30 01:50:38 +0000 UTC]
Maybe it's a Flanker with a RAM coating like the F-15SE.
T-50=F-22
Su-27=F-15C
Su-30/33/35=F-15S/MTD
Su-34=F-15E
Su-37=F-15 ACTIVE/IFCS
Is this accurate?
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Distantstarr In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-04-30 17:51:38 +0000 UTC]
I would say:
Su-30 vs F-15E
Su-27 vs F-15C
Su-33 vs F-14 or F-18
Su-34 vs F-111
T-50 Β vs F-22
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-30 18:06:26 +0000 UTC]
I think the Su-35 is equivalent to a weaponized F-15S/MTD and the Su-34 is a ground attack version of the Flanker, much like the Strike Eagle is a ground attack F-15.
However, borh of them are multirole planes in real life, unlike in Ace Combat where they're usually attackers.
Su-30=F-15D since they're both two-seater fighters.
What about the Su- 37 and 35?
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Kiba928 In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-05-20 07:45:52 +0000 UTC]
The original Su-35 had canard foreplanes for agility and to compensate for the heavier radar, but had no thrust-vectoring engines. The Su-37 was one of the Su-35 prototypes, but it was fitted with thrust-vectoring engines, newer electronics, and used a sidestick control like the F-16 and F-22. Unfortunately the only Su-37(No. 711) was lost in a crash in 1997. The Su-35 was refined in prototype stage because of a lack of funding for production. The canards and dorsal speedbrake were deleted, the center control was retained, new avionics and radar were fitted, and TVC engines were installed.
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Kiba928 [2015-05-20 23:27:00 +0000 UTC]
I thought the original Su-35 had one-dimensional thrust vectoring? as in, only up and down, like the Raptor? also, I'm pretty sure there were TWO Su-37s. One was lost in a crash, as you said, but the other survives in a museum somewhere IIRC.
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Kiba928 In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-05-21 09:05:42 +0000 UTC]
Original Su-35 Super Flanker had fixed engine nozzles, Su-35BM/Su-35S Flanker-E have movable nozzles.
2-Dimension thrust-vectoring is up-down for pitch control, but since the Flanker's engine nacelles are further away from the center axis, the nozzles can work in opposition for roll control as well.
You're technically correct, they did build a second one in 1998, but it wasn't built to full specs. It was only used for radar and weapons tests. The Su-37 Flanker-F/Terminator was only a technology demonstrator, though, due to lack of funding. I got the year of the crash wrong, it was 2001, btw.
The Su-30MKI Flanker-H(India) is the closest existing production model to the original Su-37. It has TVC engines, canards, center-mounted stick, and has some Western electronics installed, including the Sniper targeting pod.
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Kiba928 [2015-05-26 01:10:51 +0000 UTC]
Was the BM in production by 2003?
Because I have a game "Lethal Skies II" that the red papercraft plane (The F-25) that I showed you is from.
It came out in 2003 and it also had the Su-35 with canards AND thrust vectoring.
However, in the game, its thrust vectoring is up and down only, it can't vector rolls.
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Kiba928 In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-05-27 06:27:39 +0000 UTC]
It depends on how much research the game developers are willing to do and how much processing they can manage. I've seen fewer errors in the Ace Combat series, but still caught a few tiny details overlooked by most.
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Kiba928 [2015-05-27 10:21:43 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure the Su-35 in AC04 had the same sort of thrist vectoring that it did in Lethal Skies, but I could be wrong.
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Kiba928 In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-05-27 10:46:39 +0000 UTC]
Both the Su-35(T-10M) and Su-37 were in AC04 & AC5; Su-35:fixed, Su-37:TVC.
Su-33 is in AC6
Su-35S is in AC:AH
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Kiba928 [2015-05-27 16:57:52 +0000 UTC]
In Lethal Skies, the F-22 had hard mounts on its wings.
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Kiba928 In reply to AGiLE-EaGLE1994 [2015-05-27 06:21:04 +0000 UTC]
The Su-35BM is the Su-35S, it was just the original designator Sukhoi used to separate from the T-10M/Su-35, B for the second design of the Su-35 and M for Modernized. Sukhoi has a track record for using a complicated designation for their aircraft in development and changing/simplifying the designation later.
T-10=Su-27A(original prototype)
T-10B=redesigned prototype
Su-27B=original production model
Su-27K=Su-33
Su-32FN=Su-34
T-10M=Su-35
Su-35BM=Su-35S
S-37=Su-47
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 In reply to Kiba928 [2015-05-29 01:24:25 +0000 UTC]
The Su-30MKI is my favorite Flanker version. c:
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FriendlyPhire [2015-04-21 02:55:46 +0000 UTC]
Further improvement? Further improvement? Β What are you even talkin about??? This is awesome!!!Β
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Distantstarr In reply to FriendlyPhire [2015-04-21 06:17:20 +0000 UTC]
I appreciate it man
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Swift207 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-21 20:12:58 +0000 UTC]
Haha, Sukhoi's are for wusses! Falken's got the l-a-s-e-r.
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Distantstarr In reply to Swift207 [2015-04-22 07:03:30 +0000 UTC]
hey don't say that, I love SukhoisΒ Β
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Swift207 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-22 15:28:51 +0000 UTC]
Sorry. I will make an exception for the Flanker family.
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WystenDraco [2015-04-20 22:04:49 +0000 UTC]
Too bad the Falken isn't real, I imagine if we had those, they'd be more efficient than the Boeing Airborne Laser and the MTHEL Humvees, at least in theΒ high speed missileΒ intercept arena, but all three working together, each complimenting the strengths of the other and compensating for the weaknesses of the others would be badass to have for real.
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Distantstarr In reply to WystenDraco [2015-04-21 06:16:51 +0000 UTC]
they have the laser gun developed already. May be at some point we will see it being used by fighter jets
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WystenDraco In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-22 02:50:23 +0000 UTC]
Yup, and when we do, using laser weaponry in different forms and combinations airborne, land based, and ship based, well maybe we could do more with that lot than down unfriendly missiles.
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Distantstarr In reply to Anzac-A1 [2015-04-21 06:15:45 +0000 UTC]
The pilots will decide
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Anzac-A1 In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-21 07:04:08 +0000 UTC]
Except that the Falken has a laser!
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paws4thot [2015-04-20 14:30:25 +0000 UTC]
I thinkΒ a Cobra, followed by some off-boresight launches using the helmet sight is called for.
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TiPoDiRaMartin In reply to Distantstarr [2015-04-21 13:20:48 +0000 UTC]
As always... No prob.
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