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Published: 2017-02-13 14:17:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 3770; Favourites: 21; Downloads: 4
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A small dumb comic idea featuring Assassin Creed's Desmond Miles and inFAMOUS's Cole MacGrath!I believe that inFAMOUS, Assassin's Creed and [PROTOTYPE] are in the same world, so they know each other.
Also, there is a snowball's chance in Hell that Cole would be able to beat Alex. Just saying.
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i wonder what would happen if cole bio leeched him
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Not much I think. Alex doesn't work like a normal organism.
Will maybe render him weak for a moment- but the very nature of the Bio Leech requires Cole to pin Alex down, and I would never, ever touch the thing that eats people.
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but without neuro electrical energy he just be a husk
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I am not sure. Viruses work on chemical signals, since they aren't really alive to begin with. With Alex being more virus than human, this could be the same case with him. Plus- Cole would need to hold Alex down for some time to drain him- and like I said, do not, under any circumstances, touch Alex Mercer.
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i'd like to point out a normal skilled human was able to match Alex with a stun baton in fact Electricity locks his body in place
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In the beginning- but it didn't stop him for very long. Also, Cross is not a 'normal skilled' human.
Alex's tactic is causing as much damage as possible- and Cross didn't fight him when he was a t the peak of his powers.
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I'm just saying Cole has the inherent advantage in this match up
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Yes, he has, but if Alex wants him dead, he will be. Alex is not someone with superpowers, after all- he's a virus.
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I've been doing my own DB for a while and this is a fight I've been contemplating this fight since beginning of season 2
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Let's just put me this way- If Cole knew what Alex could do, he might have a chance. However, Cole is human. He needs to rest, to sleep, and he isn't as fast as Alex.
I doubt he'd have a chance. After all, a Claw through the sternum is a damn good reason to kick the bucket- while Alex regenerated from a literal puddle on the sidewalk.
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Actually Cole was okay with being manhandled by a giant Beast, that literally blew up a city and some more at its weaker stage. About multiple cities in scale actually.
Cole at his endgame lolstomped that Beast.
And nah Alex never really got over his electricity weakness. And even if he did it was likely the ... level of a stun baton or whatever Cross had.
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'Being Okay' and 'withstanding' are two different things. Let's look no further than their toughness: Alex survived being literally reduced to a puddle on the sidewalk, Cole can and will be killed when hitting a train at full velocity.
Plus, Cole didn't really 'lolstomp' the Beast, he just stunned him and then zapped him with the RFI.
Alex is a lot tougher, faster and a lot more lethal- I am not sure in how fare Cole survives being bisected with a giant blade. I do agree that Cole is riddiculously powerful, but Alex is much stronger- I'm sure Cole could keep him at bay with his powers, but if Alex decided he needs to die, then there won't be much going for Cole.
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Alex barely survived and needed a crow to live. Whether or not he could've lived without said said crow's help is debatable but he would've been there for awhile. Don't be silly. You're using gameplay feats. With that argument I can claim that Alex also can die to bullets or that he's allergic to water. Or that he can't even destroy certain buildings unless they're infected when clearly both contenders are more than capable of that. And don't be silly again, I already told you.
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LMAO. You realized he went... "I can use the final weapon now and defeat the Beast.... or I can knock his ass down till he gives up" Instead of going for the final weapon he immediately went and beat him up. Don't be absurd. He did it in the beginning of the second game, he did it again and this time he didn't recover fast enough to go against Cole when he used the RFI.
Lightning >>>> Guy who can barely dodge bullets. We're takin about lightning that's about several times more than Mach speed.
Cole fought a giant Supreme Hunter wannabe on a comic before that drains lightning. Same guy who pulverizes Super Soldier wannabes in the comics.
Also understand this. Alex is completely biologically organic. He has no way to survive lightning which can reach the temperature of the surface of the sun. A single lightning bolt that lasts for 30 microseconds or less could induce that effect. Cole can use multiple lightning bolts and extend that. That might as well be comparable to being turboefried by several nukes. Alex's melee game is useless since the closer he gets the more easy he can be caught by an attack. I am the one who argued for many sites on why Cole defeats Alex. Cole is the guy whose energy is powerful enough to unleash a blast that affects the whole world.
He isn't going to let Alex do anything with the plethora of abilities he has. Disguise? Radar Pulse. Run away to eat people? Zap him before he does. Viral infection? Zap him before he does. Throw a car? Zap him before he does or make said car explode. Melee weapons? Gigawatt blades that can hack off a giant mutant's body.
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Durability to take on attacks from a guy who can easily shrug off buildings?
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He can do that.
I played this dance before, I will play it again. Though I hope to play it after Thursday evening since midterms are coming up. Comicvine, VSB, DA, OBD, KM, SB, and many more. Though that was the old days.
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Nevertheless he survived. Being reduced to a puddle.
Alex doesn't dodge bullets because he doesn't need it. Plus a lightning bolt, while incredibly hot, is extremely short-lived and always looks for the easiest way off a body- across the surface or through the organs. Alex has no organs- so what is the lightning going to hurt? Biomass? (And normal humans have survived being hit by multiple lightning strikes too)
I don't argue about the power levels- but Cole is a mage compared to Alex's Tank. Alex is simply a lot tougher than Cole (he had nearly been knocked unconscious in the comics too). If Alex slams into him going fifty miles per hour, even Cole's body will break.
Also, a lack of electricity will weaken Cole. While a lack of humans will barely affect Alex at all.
Sure, Cole was incredibly powerful- as long he had the RFI in his possession- but David Warner nearly killed him on several occasions throughout the comic, if you haven't noticed.
Also, Alex is a whole lot stronger- he can pick up an entire tank (61 tons), carry it up a wall and throw it fast and precise enough to down a helicopter (I tried it, it works). Cole has no chance. Alex doesn't need to be close to completely fuck Cole up.
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Bro bro bro bro bro~Did you listen to the next of my words? Let's list down what Cole's lightning bolts different from regular lightning bolts. Again.
- There's multiple of them
- There's 30 microseconds last time while Cole extends it to painful seconds which are about thousand of times more.
- Humans only survive because they're lucky it didn't go through organs, but Cole can control WHERE the current goes
- Cole sunk an aircraft carrier with it
- Cole destroyed the Supreme Hunter wanna be that can drain lightning with it
- Destroyed the Beast which regularly wipes out cities and dishes Island level strikes
- And barriers that are 100 years ahead of their time
- And logically anything that has no way to be electrocuted such as ice titans
You don't need organs to be hurt by lightning. You see trees being charred, steel being melted. You've seen the Beast and Ice Titans that has no organs. He just freaking fried you with his turbonuke. Your argument isn't cutting it.
And by the way? Web of intrigue shows numerous nerves and cells in Alex. He has a brain. He's not no organs. He's gonna end up frying either way.
Why yes, Cole is indeed a mage. A war mage. Not a squishy one but the same guy that survived numerous explosions in front of him and just walks it off. The same guy who constantly gets stronger and the same guy that survived a multi city block explosion at his weakest. And he's exponentially stronger than before. If Cole is the advanced hyper mage, Alex is nothing more than a barbaric fighter with lifesteal. Good luck trying to slam Cole when you're spasming on the ground. You have no counter for that. Let's think of it this way. Can you actually attack a water hose spraying water at you if you attack it from the front? Or a tidal wave? The answer is no. You're gonna get hit and you're gonna lose.
Cole at the end of Infamous 1/Beginning of Infamous 2/End of Infamous 2 has no need for electricity. Even WITHOUT the RFI Upgrade. And there's always electricity everywhere. Meanwhile humans are gonna run out for Alex and he's not gonna be able to regen. Whoopsee deoopsee
Yes. He definitely had the RFI when he turbofried this guy
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He was decking out blow for blow with this guy, someone who was unfazed by a building busting bomb. And this is without the RFI. Noticeably he never runs out of energy. Did I mention how he fried the military while dodging numerous bullets?
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Or how he fried rubber that's 100 years ahead of time and impervious to bullets?
With or without the RFI, he's gonna lol stomp Alex.
One hit, and Alex is gonna be dead. If he keeps zapping Alex another sub ability of his will allow him to keep recharging too if you still don't believe the near limitless energy.
Oh and yeah, Cole can fly. And freeze. And summon an electric tornado. Way faster than any devsatator.
Alex is gonna lose. I promise you that.
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Haha. You have a nice argument there- but again, Alex is faster, stronger, and a lot more dangerous.
Did you forget he is a quite literal walking hive of viral cells?
He is a disease joyriding around in a dead men's body. The body he has? He can also be an entire city. He is a sickness. You can't zap a sickness.
Cole is human. Alex is not. And it boils down to that. Cole needs to eat, to sleep (not as much as normal humans, but still), Alex does neither. If everything fails, he'd just outlast Cole.
I'm not saying it's going to be easy. I'm not going to say Cole is weak- but Alex is the stronger of both. He will win- except to Beast Cole, maybe.
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Hahahahaha nooooo~
See, Alex can barely outpace a nuke. Heck he can be gunned down. Meanwhile Cole can keep up with teleporters, Kessler (who can move as fast as lightning) and he has to have the necessary reaction level to control his own lightning. Lightning is Mach 1000+ bullets are barely Mach 10. You still think that Alex is faster than Mach 1000 when he could've just outrun the nuke if that's the case?
Do you seriously think Alex is still stronger? They should be equal on physical strength at worst considering even the conventional mooks in Infamous 2 (Ravagers) can stomp tanks.
Yes. That's why he got electrocuted by Cross right? that's why in his web of intrigue it was revealed that Cross hunts down Runners like Alex with that electric stick right? That's why he can be harmed by explosions and be defeated by James Heller right? That's why he nearly died to the nuke and chose to run from it right? That's why he was killed before right? Don't be absurd. The only thing disease ilke about him is his sequel.
Stop it. Alex is a conduit of the virus. Cole is a conduit of electricity. Neither are that human.
How many times do I have to do this....
Oh right, let's put it this way.
Guy who never obliterated a city versus a guy who obliterated a city
Guy who can shoot out lightning versus a guy who barely has any ranged weapons
Guy who got beat up by an electric baton versus a guy who's a walking power plant
Guy who can regenerate organically and has 'no organs despite clearly having them' vs a guy who fries organs
Cole is already leagues above Alex. I love both characters and hell would write more stories for Alex, but Cole wins this. He's the kryptonite man vs Man of Steel Superman. Alex. Loses. There's no chance for him to win.
Simple.
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Cole cannot outpace Kessler. He can dodge to the side, but that's it.
Let's look at it: Cole does not win!
He can't win!
This is a Superman vs Batman Situation here. I love 'em both (and I love Batman more) but realistically speaking, Alex is stronger.
Have you ever played Prototype 1?
Cole can and will be killed by a direct hit with a single Shotgun blast, or will be downed by turrets.
Alex can weather an entire troop shooting at him, it needs at least five to six direct hits with missile launchers to kill him, and even a direct hit with a Thermobaric Shell is survivable if you have the upgrades.
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Let's see what else he kept up with
- The same guy who can shoot out lightning just like him
- Frequent teleporters while being attacked by an army
- An army
- Frequent teleporters like Nix and Kuo
- And his own lightning
It doesn't matter if one cannot move as fast as lightning. In the future Cole can likely outpace Kessler considering Kessler is him, but this is the same man who moves like lightning and then punches you. Cole reacts to that. Considering the nature of conduits as conduits of energy, they can move as fast as their elements. It doesn't matter if Cole only dodges, he still reacts. And in this case, his lightning is still as fast as lightning. To him, Alex will be moving like a snail.
Let's look at it. Alex cannot win. He cannot. He cannot win!! Hi Alex.
Finally found an excuse to use a quote from the Room, yay me
Yes, indeed it is. That is indeed the case. If Batman can shoot out krypton energy beams and he can attack faster than Superman definitely yes.
Anyway I did, I enjoyed it. Easy in the first half, massive annoying difficult spike in the second. Love disguising myself and taking down bases without anyone figuring it out. AI is silly but I love it for that. Oh did I mention I love Alex?
Oh dear.. you seem to be unable to comprehend basic gameplay mechanics.. that's okay~I can do the same!
Alex receives high damage from a simple taser, so that means Cole's output which can power up cities would kill him in one shot.
Alex can get killed if an infected mobs him and he can't regenerate when that happens. Since the mob is barely above a normal civilian while Cole can send men flying, that means he can keep taking down Alex with melee attacks.
Alex got injured in the game when he was shot by an assault rifle and he fainted. I guess guns are very effective on him.
You see how stupid that sounds? Cole's low end feats are nothing compared to his high end feats. Such as surviving building level strikes while still awake, being crushed by giant magma men, and surviving mini black holes and sub-zero temperatures and acid. Should I add in the fact that he scales off the Beast which wipes out Multiple citie's worth of areas? Oh wait, I already added that.
Please. Just. Stop.
Gameplay mechanics is the exact same reason why we can't have Superman oneshotting Batman in Injustice the game. GM is the reason why Alex can't destroy every building in the city. GM is stupid. And to use it, is silly.
But alright let's continue... on the comics, Cole wiped out an army while being attacked from all sides. That equalifies your feat or is more depending on how fast they took down the other. A megawatt rocket is like a rocket but more considering it can take down a chopper in one shot while in Prototype it takes several. So that means a few rockets should be enough for Cole to win.
If Alex gets too close, a graviton shockwave would keep him floating and unable to fly since it counteracts gravity itself and not the actual weight.
And I ask... how in the world would Alex dodge homing lightning?
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This isn't about Speed- and normal speed is faster in Alex's case- he can quite literally run up to 120 miles per hour for an extended period of time and without needed to take a breather.
This about overall abilities.
Alex is, simply put, a lot more versatile. He doesn't need his powers- he can use any weapon, from rifles to missle launchers to tanks and helicopters, he can lift and throw objects as heavy as tanks with no trouble at all- there is no limit upwards. His boss battles are complete clusterfucks with dozens of people trying to take him down at the same time.
The only thing Cole got going for himself is the lightning- and it will do shit if he doesn't get to Alex.
Let's not forget water. Alex falls in water- he jumps out of it. Cole falls in water- he is dead.
What about Graviton shockwaves? Can Cole use them to knock back Ravager and/or Devourer? I don't think so- Alex has the same weight, after all.
Cole can float. Cute. Alex can float too- he is a lot faster and more agile when doing it too.
Cole fights armies? Alex does too. Let's not forget, the easiest way to deal with an army is to punch the floor next to them- and all of them are dead.
You claim to like Alex- but you don't see the realistically power he can put out, damnit. He claimed himself he is 'beyond life and Death'. He isn't alive, so he can't really die. If he wants Cole dead, he will be. No question about that.
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What's faster? Bullets from a minigun converging into a sprinter? You talk about speed but you can't seem to comprehend speed. Cole can also do the same thing with lightning.
They're useless. They're gonna explode to lightning.
Vehicles are gonna get oneshotted by lightning as Cole did perform with the numerous comic feats I have shown and you completely disregarded.
What the heck are you talking about... Taser > Alex. Lightning Storm >>>>>>>> Alex.
Oh yeah sure because that's how he flies right? Because he's ultra heavy that's how he can fly around? Don't be an idiot. He either has speed or has weight. And if he only has one or the other he's gonna get hit by lightning. Oh while we're at it, Alex can get smacked around by infected walkers and soldiers. That must mean he's weak enough to be hit by soldiers right?
Nope. And if he certainly loses all his weight in midair to glide, he's easily prone to lightning attacks and shockwaves. Not to mention if lightning hits him at that point lightning will not be grounded and he's gonna be fried even more. Not to mention unlike Cole who can steady himself in the air and keep hovering up, Alex can't.
Hey. I said that because you said that. And another easy way to deal with them is raise a finger, and bam. All of them are dead. Fried without you even having to get close.
Oh dear friend, I do love Alex. I like to think he's one of the few who can take over many sci fi and fantasy worlds by starting small and overdeveloping. I know the limits of his power. But I don't wank him like you do when everything has been laid out to you factually as you fangasm over Alex.
My dear friend~ This is what you're doing to Cole MacGraht. So if you don't want to portray Cole realistically I'll do the same. Alex is beyond life and death? I guess that's why he tried to escape the nuke or how he was beat up by James right? He never dealt with psychis, mutants ,magic, and more than enough of those will kill Alex. Superman, Naruto, Goku, Batman, even freaking Luffy. There are so many that it's not even a reasonable statement to say what you said.
If Cole wants Alex dead, he's dead.
Cole is the man who covered the world in a blanket of energy.
Alex got shit on by a guy with a taser.
Keep on downplaying Cole and I'll keep on dowplaying Alex. Same as you want. I'm only paying you back with what you do.Use bad logic against bad logic. At least you moved on from Gameplay Mechanics though
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*sigh* I have better things to do than discuss with ignorant people over the internet.
I love Cole just as much as I love Alex, but I see this realistically- Alex IS stronger than Cole. Like I said, the only thing he has going for himself are his lightning based powers- which are awesome, but not enough to stop the tank that is Alex.
But if you are going to bitch about it, fine. I don't need this. Now, if you want to continue this, I can send you a note containing every single reason and source comparing their powers. And you will read it and you will understand where I am coming from. And then we could continue it like civilized people.
If not, that is fine too. Because I certainly have better things to do than get worked up about somebody who is not willing to see reason.
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Oh my, you stole my words my friend! Though I kindaaa find that hard to believe if you'd go as far as to comment on my very very old work.
My friend. I also see this realistically. But let's see.... Since we both share each other's thoughts regarding the other's 'true knowledge about both characters' why don't we reset this and debate like fine gentlemen then in that case. We'll settle what stats both has and confirm how strong each one is by showcasing feats.
How's that? A reset? This time starting off with who's more destructive. Focusing on one topic at a time instead of being too scattered. How's that?
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After carefully thinking about it and not running on piss and vinegar; I've come to the realization that your entire argument for Cole winning is based solely on his electrokinesis and Alex's dislike for it. You've chosen to ignore my arguments.
How about we try this this way? Who says they have to fight face-to-face?
Right. You assumed it simply because of the fact that Alex is, in essence, a close-ranged fighter, and Cole won't let him close enough to actually do damage.
But what if Alex simply decides not to face him? What if he is content with stalking behind him, always keeping at the edge of his radar senses- out of sight but still barely enough so Cole knows he's there? He would wait until paranoia, stress and exhaustion take their toll.
Or what about Alex simply grabbing a helicopter, a jet, or a tank? He would be able to deal a massive amount of damage from afar.
Who says Alex won't just infect the whole city to take away any support Cole could have? He'd just have to lean back and wait until his infected and Cole's eroding health and sanity finish him.
Right, nothing really stops him from doing that in a fictional battle between those two. But apparently, a guy who can shoot lightning will surely beat the literal walking viral apocalypse with a chip on his shoulders. Of course.
I see you won't listen. Arguing with you is useless and meaningless, will only serve to further incite either of us.
I will end this discussion now for real.
Have a nice day.
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Nah not really.
My argument is
- Cole's kinetic output is higher than Alex
- Cole can tank attacks from Alex
- Cole is faster than Alex
- Cole has more varied attacks than Alex
- Cole's lack of melee game drawbacks isn't as severe as Alex lack of range drawbacks
- Cole's electricity can kill Alex
- Cole can freeze Alex but I didn't really talk about this
- Alex didn't survive the nuke
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and yeah, Cole can win by spamming rockets.
Sure, honestly the wisest thing Alex can do
Correct. Because him getting closer is like a guy trying to close in on a barrage of projectiles. And can be hit from any angle and be knocked back easily.
That's one way to strike I would recommend him doing that and slowly killing off his friends and families one by one. Although that might have the negative effect of ending up with an angry Cole. On the other hand, how exactly would Alex know the limitations of his radar pulse? Only people who seem to be aware of it is Kessler and Cole himself. And worst comes to worst, Cole can just move on to the offensive. And as conduits who grow stronger over time, that means their degree of power level would increase too. Meaning, range, and pretty soon... Alex might have to be on another city to be hidden
Projectiles from vehicles are the best option for Alex. Namely jets and helicopters. But Cole oneshots helicopters in the comics and tagged air drones before early on in the game. Infamous 1. Remember the screenshots? Tanks also greatly reduces Alex's mobility meaning if Cole uses a lightning storm on Alex after he identifies he's in there, he's not gonna get out and hes' gonna be in the equivalent of a boiling pan for a fish. if he was the fish
Cause then we would have the Beast looming around the corner nuking everything. Infection is also another way to attack, it's actually Alex's best method of attack.... If he isn't immediately stopped by Cole. And if we're going by push everyone to their limits, do remember. Good Cole Endgame blanketed the world with energy and stomped the Beast. Evil Cole brought about the end of the world. The moment Cole finds out what's happening to his city, he's not gonna stand down. And assuming this is verse vs verse, that means the Beast is gonna come into play. Since you seem to be moving into something less of a 1v1 and more of a verse vs verse situation. And Cole can also overchage himself to give himself more ridiculous abilities. I mean... we are pushing far to see what Alex can potentially do... That means we can do that for cole right? Pretty soon he can be freezing the area instantly- no wait he already does that. But pretty soon, he'll be even more powerful and faster than before.
Mhmh. Compare it to this. Who would win. Carnage or Thor?
Alex is powerful, but comes with limitations. And again think of it this way. What are experienced soldiers working in perfect teams and coordination compared to Alex? They're nothing. They're slower, weaker, and more fragile. That's the infected army to Cole. Oh and infecting Cole would probably be a bad idea since you're basically saying let's give infected powers to Cole, + his electric powers. That would be as great as turning James into an infected, tenfold
Seems so. And it's natural for vs debates to lead to that kind of scenario. It's why I quit them and was only incited to start one with ya upon seeing Alex vs Cole. Though really up to you. I think I'm making quite the progress.
Aight ttyl.
Same for you. Well, night from my point.
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Let's just agree on the outcome of 'Alex Mercer vs Cole MacGrath'- Winner is Kratos. Or maybe Ronan the Accuser, 6-16 Marvel Universe. They don't even go here, but they'll end this.
Because we both know you won't persuade me and I won't persuade you.
This is like the cold war all over again.
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Yeah sadly we don't have nukes.... darn...
I can keep on going tho~
But really let's stop. Just don't draw spiteful things and I won't start up wars
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Ps: Carnage once took over Silver Surfer...so we have that
Pps: How the Heck do you do the crossed-out lines?
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You know, I'm not even gonna question how that happened ovo
It's trade secret!! For me to reveal it you must say the words "Cole wins against Alex in a fight!! Or at least ties most of the time!" Muahahahahaha!!
Type this before a sentence you want to strikethrough, but without the enters.
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Afterwards you're all good
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I'm gonna forget it soon again, but eh. Thanks
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Good. Let's start over. I give you the notes I worked on.
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i feel like i'd have to disagree with the assassins creed being in the infamous and prototype world too
mainly because why bother searching for an apple that gives you powers when both the raysphere and a virus can do the same with less of the hassle?
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That is not true. You see, the Apple's purpose is not to give Powers, but rather control people (Isu slaves) and/or Isu technology. The Blacklight Virus came from the Redlight Virus. Latter was created to create Super Soldiers, while Blacklight was supposed to 'kill only specific genetic traits', speak different human races. The Ray Sphere was used to activate the Conduit Gene, but required the life force of a certain amount of non-Conduits for activating that Conduit Gene.
So they have different purposes.
Also, the phrase Moya said during inFAMOUS was what made me think that they are in the same universe: Moya claimed that using a nuclear warhead was the 'normal process when dealing with a biological threat'. However, this is a tad too extreme in my eyes- except for when [PROTOTYPE] happened before.
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i haven't played proto type before (want to though) but that would actually make sense if the virus was made to kill conduits
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Not just conduits. It was supposed to kill any random group of people it was programmed on. Like, they probably wanted to eradicate all Asians. Or all African.
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alright thanks for the info
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PS. I have finally Prototype installed on my computer.
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