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Ehetere β€” Fawn Gene and Variants

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Note: This pattern variation is not free to create on existing fawnlings and may only be received through special group auctions, gifts and foals (from parents with the colouration). The variation extends the fawn gene to cover all sorts of deer patterns, and NOT horse markings. Horse white patterns do not exist within the breed.

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1) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
2) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
3) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
4) Partial Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nrz)
5) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
6) Partial Restrictive fawn fwfw/(rzrz)
7) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)
8) Restrictive fawn fwfw/(nRx/RxRx/Rxrz)


The Fawn Gene
The fawn gene is a recessive gene represented by fw (fwfw in its expressive form) where pale countershading and spots can be found on the torso of the fawnling. The edges are soft and faded, with markings varying from white to a few shades paler than the base coat. The fawn gene is dominant over the smoky fawn gene.

The Smoky Fawn Gene
The smoky fawn gene produces faded countershading similar to pangare, only usually a darker shade than the base coat. This is not a rule however, as it has been known to produce lighter fading on some coats (never more than a few shades lighter than the base coat), usually on colours where dark shading would not be seen (eg. black). The smoky fawn gene does not have any spots (and thus there is no difference in its expression of the fawn variants Rx and rz, see below) though dappling may appear. The gene is represented by fws and requires two copies to express (fwsfws).



A new variation in the fawn gene has been discovered, where fawn spotting fades away in adults leaving only pale countershading.

New Markings
This new fawn gene variation can cause both defined and faded countershading, or a combination of the two. Fawn spots may also still remain, or not fade completely in some areas. Markings include pale fur around the eyes, ears, muzzle, forehead, legs, underbelly and tail. Darker countershading along the back and on the head and ears is also associated with this variation. Markings can vary in hue from white to a few shades lighter than the base coat, though white to pale cream is most common. This fawn variation can range from very minimal with almost no expression of the gene (restricted to the face) to more extensive areas of pale fur.

New Genes
In addition to having the fwfw or fwfws genetic code, fawnlings who display these colour patterns will also have another gene, depending on their expression. Both the Rx and rz genes fall on the same locus, with the Rx gene being dominant over the rz gene. The genes may be combined in a number of ways, similar to how wild bay is dominant over seal bay.

The Rx Gene
The Restrictive Expression gene, or Rx, is the gene whereby fawn spots fade away and solidifies faded areas of fur to defined patterns. Fawnlings displaying this pattern will have no fawn spots, and a varying array of white expression, not influenced by homozygous or heterozygous forms.

The Rz Gene
The Partial Restrictive gene, or rz, is the gene which solidifies white patterns, however only partially restricts fawn markings. Fawnlings with this gene will either partially or totally express fawn markings as well as solid white patterns, depending on homozygous or heterozygous forms. nrz or heterozygous will have partial fawn spot coverage, often faded. rzrz or homozgyous will have complete fawn spotting and complete white markings. Partial Restrictive is recessive to Restrictive Expression, and will not show if there is a Rx gene present.

Examples:
fwfw/nRx = Restrictive Expression (no spots)
fwfws/Rxrz = Restrictive Expression (no spots)
fwfw/nrz = Partial Restrictive (minimal spotting)
fwfw/rzrz = Partial Restrictive (complete fawn spotting)
fwsfws/nrz = Partial Restrictive, Smoky Expression (dark markings)

As stated above, the Restrictive genes also work with the smoky fawn expression, however these markings are dark instead of light.
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Comments: 82

Ehetere In reply to ??? [2013-12-13 19:56:47 +0000 UTC]

Typically the more diluted the coat the more diluted the markings, so smoky fawn on a pale fawnling is only a few shades darker at most, usually it shows up as a light colour on most.

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Crimson-Forest-Farm In reply to Ehetere [2013-12-13 19:58:57 +0000 UTC]

Ok thank you

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KL-Sincerity [2013-12-12 20:06:34 +0000 UTC]


I just want to make sure I get this right... I'll be (eventually) getting a breeding between Anubis and Β IgΓ©tis, and I'm just playing around with the possible genotypes of the baby (I love doing that haha).Β 


I do have a question though. Anubis is fwfw / nrz, while IgΓ© doesn't have any fawn genes. Since the fawn gene is recessive dominant, that means I won't have any possible fawn genes in the baby, right? Or is it still possible?


Just making sure, haha.


Also, while I'm asking about genes... horses have multiple agouti genes - At results in Seal Brown and A+ results in Wild Bay, while A is simply bay.


Anubis has AA, while IgΓ© has Aa. I'm wondering - are you able to produce At or A+ from a normal A gene?


Thanks!


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Ehetere In reply to KL-Sincerity [2013-12-13 01:57:54 +0000 UTC]

If both parents don't at least carry the fawn gene, then no fawn markings for baby (though it's babies might have some!)


And nope, those work like horse agouti genes. You have to have A+ or At in the parent's genetics to get them in the baby

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KL-Sincerity In reply to Ehetere [2013-12-13 18:53:29 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!


Since I've got your attention...


How the heck do you make sooty markings in Photoshop?Β 


I specifically have CS6, but that doesn't matter to me. I'm having SO MUCH trouble designing a fawn because I can't get the sooty markings to look right! Hah ):

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Ehetere In reply to KL-Sincerity [2013-12-13 19:57:25 +0000 UTC]

I never use photoshop 8D Paint tool SAI all the way, but usually I just draw circles at low opacity >.>

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KL-Sincerity In reply to Ehetere [2013-12-14 03:57:55 +0000 UTC]

You draw all the little tiny circles separately? 0__0

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Ehetere In reply to KL-Sincerity [2013-12-14 04:12:04 +0000 UTC]

I scribble them - I'm the laziest person on the planet

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KL-Sincerity In reply to Ehetere [2013-12-14 17:42:05 +0000 UTC]

But yours look so good!

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Ehetere In reply to KL-Sincerity [2013-12-14 19:49:15 +0000 UTC]

Scribbles

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Jian89 [2013-12-07 12:25:10 +0000 UTC]

I have been looking around and ...

I've sen there aren't so many smoky fawns around

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Ehetere In reply to Jian89 [2013-12-08 05:56:10 +0000 UTC]

No, people seem to forget them!

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ennelya [2013-09-30 21:41:50 +0000 UTC]

What would happen if you bred a nRx (sire) to a nrz (dam)?

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Ehetere In reply to ennelya [2013-12-08 06:21:18 +0000 UTC]

You'd get one of the following:


nn - No restriction gene

nRx - Restrictive gene

Rxrz - Restrictive gene

nrz - Partial Restrictive

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Jian89 In reply to ennelya [2013-12-07 12:26:31 +0000 UTC]

in case you still need an answer


it depends on how the gene's are passing

nRx =Β Restrictive Expression, so no spots

nrz = Partial restrictive, minimal psots

Rxrz =Β Restrictive Expression, so no spots


Rx is dominant over rz

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ennelya In reply to Jian89 [2013-12-07 13:50:30 +0000 UTC]

Thank you <3

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Ettid [2013-04-08 16:38:37 +0000 UTC]

How are these genes affected by the Grey-gene, if affected at all? Will the markings fade in colour or stay? Eg. Imagine #2 here [link] having the grey gene. Would the black fade to greyish(later white) colour together with the base colour or would it stay black?

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Ehetere In reply to Ettid [2013-04-10 10:09:42 +0000 UTC]

Aye, grey does eventually lighten all the fur to white

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Cahalen-Avenue [2013-04-01 15:56:13 +0000 UTC]

Okay, so if the Fawn gene is present and is visible, does the Fawnling have to show the other white on the body? Like on number 6, would the fawn have to have all that white that's not the spotting?

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Ehetere In reply to Cahalen-Avenue [2013-04-01 16:13:25 +0000 UTC]

Do you mean the fawn gene or the additional partial restriction gene. Number 6 would be fwfw/rzrz, which hardens and intensifies white, unlike on a character with just the fawn gene where the countershading is much more faded and subtle.

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Cahalen-Avenue In reply to Ehetere [2013-04-01 22:25:43 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm....Like, say I would want to have hard white spots, requiring the fwfw/rzrz gene; but, say I don't wish to have all of that white on the belly and underside of the neck. Would the white have to be there because of the Fawn gene, or is all that white optional.

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Ehetere In reply to Cahalen-Avenue [2013-04-01 22:38:06 +0000 UTC]

The fawn gene creates white markings, often with partially restrictive (nrz) there's less white but also fewer spots.

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Cahalen-Avenue In reply to Ehetere [2013-04-05 22:54:06 +0000 UTC]

Ohhh okay thank you that makes more sense now

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LozzLovesHorses [2013-04-01 09:29:37 +0000 UTC]

Oh and is the Second from the top on the right image, an example of the Rx gene?

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Ehetere In reply to LozzLovesHorses [2013-04-01 10:46:59 +0000 UTC]

Its an example of the nrz gene. Spots

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LozzLovesHorses In reply to Ehetere [2013-04-02 10:04:11 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I have a question concerning this gene.
Are you allowed to have some of the markings /very minute markings/, on the ears? Also, personalise the look of the white on the throat?

Thanks for all the help ^^

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Ehetere In reply to LozzLovesHorses [2013-04-02 12:00:58 +0000 UTC]

Of course; check the design sheets in future you'll see lots of what is possible / not

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LozzLovesHorses In reply to Ehetere [2013-04-02 20:50:36 +0000 UTC]

Awesome, thanks.

Sorry if I've been bothering you with all the questions x3

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LozzLovesHorses [2013-04-01 09:28:22 +0000 UTC]

This is a quick question, would a Cream Grullo/grulla have blue eyes?
I'm thinking about this being the colour of my Winborne entry!

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Ehetere In reply to LozzLovesHorses [2013-04-01 10:46:33 +0000 UTC]

Only double creams have blue eyes.

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LozzLovesHorses In reply to Ehetere [2013-04-01 20:34:53 +0000 UTC]

Ok. Thanks for letting me know ^^

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ShopKey [2013-03-29 12:49:49 +0000 UTC]

I'm really sorry to bother you but would markings like this beautiful fellow: [link] be allowed?

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Ehetere In reply to ShopKey [2013-03-29 12:52:33 +0000 UTC]

Yes

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ShopKey In reply to Ehetere [2013-03-29 12:53:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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dontkillthekarma [2013-03-25 23:00:55 +0000 UTC]

If we find a deer breed with a marking we like can we use it on our fawnling? This is the fawnling for the design your own contest. I was thinking a fawnling with lesser kudu stripes would be awesome.

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Ehetere In reply to dontkillthekarma [2013-03-26 02:28:34 +0000 UTC]

Within reason; we've had a few people ask about lesser Kudu and we don't allow vertical white striping at present.

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leenei [2013-03-15 19:52:45 +0000 UTC]

I have a question....
i have a breeding between a fwfw x FWfw....
what kind of fawn markings would the little fawn have?

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Ehetere In reply to leenei [2013-03-15 21:11:29 +0000 UTC]

Fawn would either have Fwfw or fwfw, meaning they'd either be a fawn carrier (no visible markings) or a fawn (light countershading and spotting)

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leenei In reply to Ehetere [2013-03-15 21:17:20 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much fur answering!

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Jo-san [2013-03-02 22:56:06 +0000 UTC]

I'm a bit uncertain regrading fawnspotting. Is it a recessive or dominant gene? Could a visibly fawnspotted fawnling and a non-carrier, nonspotted fawnling have spotted offspring?

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Ehetere In reply to Jo-san [2013-03-03 00:25:05 +0000 UTC]

The fawn gene is recessive, the smoky fawn gene is recessive to the fawn gene. So both parents must carry the gene for an offspring to exhibit it.

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Jo-san In reply to Ehetere [2013-03-03 07:28:46 +0000 UTC]

Okay, got it.

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BrindleTail [2013-02-26 04:01:00 +0000 UTC]

How would fwfws/nrz be expressed?

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Ehetere In reply to BrindleTail [2013-02-26 05:54:01 +0000 UTC]

Exactly the same as fwfw/nrz: the fawn gene is dominant over the smoky fawn gene, similar to how bay is dominant over seal bay.

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BrindleTail In reply to Ehetere [2013-02-26 05:59:36 +0000 UTC]

Oh that is a great way to look at it. Thanks!

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Jian89 [2013-02-11 09:11:35 +0000 UTC]

oke, let me see if I get this.

fw is the fawn gene. the fw gives clear white-ish spots.
fws gives a very soft fading look.

the Rx makes that you don't see the spotting. but solid white can appear on the muzzle/head, belly ...
rz then shows the spotting.

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Ehetere In reply to Jian89 [2013-02-11 19:32:32 +0000 UTC]

Yus. fws is the fw gene generally without the crisper more defined spots (in reference to the rz gene, it has no spots to show as it were, so a fwsfws/rzrz would look the same in theory as a fwsfws/nRx )

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strideroo [2013-01-12 20:17:12 +0000 UTC]

Question about the fawn gene!
So without the Restrictive Genes, what could "fwsfws" be expressed as?
Minimal dark markings/fawn spotting? I know the "s" makes the gawn gene smoky but I'm a bit confused as to what that means/allows for, exactly...
Sorry if this is explained here but I just wasn't quite understanding.

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Ehetere In reply to strideroo [2013-01-12 21:04:45 +0000 UTC]

Smoky fawn, essentially an inverted version of the fawn gene - so yes.

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Crimson-Forest-Farm [2013-01-11 20:24:37 +0000 UTC]

Is there a difference when the fwfw or nfw is capitalized? Or is it just typing and habit to capitalize sometimes?

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