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equigoyle — Mating Flight
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My entry for the valentine's day contest . .. from way back.It features my all time favorite couple, G & E. I once said this happens a couple months after their mating ceremony due to certain complications. But I think I'll move it up a little sooner.
Anywa, I thought it turned out really well. The pose is romantic - and yes, even a little passionate. But it's not explicit. ^__^
I like how Goliath's gloves and stuff turned out. Looks really sparkly. ^__^
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Thank you, I think so too.
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your welcome & i love disney's gargoyles too
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Your draw is Magnificent!! Congratulation I love it!!
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This is a nice picture, but I strongly disagree with the idea that one of them should have to change in order for their relationship to work. Really, why would she do that? Just, tell me why.
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I don't believe anyone here said anything about both of them needing to be the same species for a relationship to work. Elisa doesn't need to be a Gargoyle in order to have a working relationship with Goliath, nor does he need to be human in order to have a relationship with her work. Changing one of them to the other species, or even swapping their species, is just an interesting idea...and that's what fanfics or fanart is all about, creating interesting ideas.
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But it's a common enough recurring comment that I can assume there are a lot of people who want it to happen one way or the other. That conceit pops up even in the comments for this image.
"Goliath can never not be a gargoyles, Elisa can never not be a human. The Mirror was a fun one-shot deal, but anyone who would permanently change either of them does not understand the show or these characters." That's what the man himself, Greg Weisman had to say on this very issue.
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Again, nothing I've ever seen in my browsings of the Gargoyles fandom 
Eh, honestly, I don't care what Greg has to say about something that is entirely a subjective matter, I've seen that comment before (and a whole ton of others on his "Ask Greg" blog), didn't care about it then and still don't care about it now. I don't like the condescension and arrogance in that post or in other responses I've seen from him, especially in the way he addresses something completely subjective as an absolute or his interpretation being the only right one. I love the show, but I do not particularly care for Greg Weisman himself or how he interprets subjective things
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You oughtta look at the comments for some of those pictures; quite a few people are of the opinion that they should have kept Elisa like that and that would have made the relationship and/or series that much better. I'm sorry, but I think that'd be a horrible idea. In "The Mirror", Puck's magic made Elisa think she had always been a gargoyle, so if they'd kept the romance alive by making that permanent, then our heroes will just be taking advantage of a brainwashed woman, and that just makes me go "BLECH".
As for Elisa changing willingly into a garg so that the relationship with Goliath is somehow "better", all I have to say is this: So you're asking that Elisa leave behind her friends, family, and comrades-in-arms on the force, just to be with some supernatural creature? You know what that sounds like to me? TWILIGHT! And I refuse to see Gargoyles lower itself to that kind of wish-fulfillment crap that'd get laughed out of the Harlequin publishing house. The fact that Elisa is not a gargoyle is what makes the relationship so unique among animated shows.
"But it's not the way I feel. I am a secular, at times Pagan, Jew. And yet, I would not convert to another religion for anyone. Not for "love", certainly. If my "love" couldn't accept me for who I am, why would I want her? Most of my life, I dated non-Jews. It's theoretically possible that I might have married one. But I still would not have converted. As it turned out, I did marry a Jew who "practices" the religion more than I do. I haven't gotten "more Jewish " because of her. I've fundamentally stayed the same. And yet, being Jewish is part of who I am. Part of what made me who I am. Same with being short. Same with being nocturnal. Same with being a guy. A heterosexual. A storyteller. I can't change any of these things (or a bunch of other things) without fundamentally changing my identity. Who I am. Who I want to be. I'm not talking about changing breakfast cereals. I'm talking about fundamental factors to my identity in THIS LIFE. Maybe I was someone entirely different in another life, and maybe my "SOUL" is an unchanging light that shines through the prism of each new life. But the prism matters to me. And I think it matters to Goliath and Elisa too. And by the way, I don't see why ADOPTION is any less legitimate a way to share their love with a child than spitting a kid from one's combined loins. "-Greg Weisman on why he didn't do this very thing.
I'm sorry, but this is not a comic book: Gargoyles is not created by a bunch of writers who all have different views on the characters. This is all the brainchild of one man, pretty much everything that happened, he came up with. And since he made the whole thing, his interpretation gets a much higher priority over fan interpretations. You can't say he's wrong about something HE CREATED.
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It did initially, same with the Clan when they were turned into humans, and then they remembered the real thing once they were corrected, or at the very least knew that whatever was telling them it'd always been that way was completely wrong and a fake. Anyways, I really don't care if they do think that or don't, I'm not arrogant enough to dictate what one should think or feel about something, if some fans want to write or draw Elisa as a Gargoyle again, that's just fine and dandy with me as long as they don't go around attacking people who prefer canon.
And? People make deeply personal choices like that all of the time, it's all up to the individual, and who says that it has to be a choice Elisa or Goliath makes themselves? That's part of how you make characters grow and evolve, by forcing or placing them into situations where changes are required. To just toss an idea in the fandom out because you don't like it only leads to the fandom getting stale and dying out. Each individual's unique views or wants is what makes being part of a fandom so awesome. I love all of the freedom and discovering new ideas or ways to view things, even if I find something I don't agree with it's still something interesting to see, and if I find that I really don't like it, I avoid it and don't bother the people who do like it. You will never find me enjoying Angela/Broadway fanart or fanfics with that pairing, but I won't go and attack the people who do like or enjoy it. Differing views in a fandom only become a problem when the adherents start attacking each other >_>
In all honesty, the whole "interspecies romance" thing is kind of old-hat for me at this point, there are good ones out there (Elisa/Goliath for one, or Shepar/alien crew member in the Mass Effect series), I don't really find the concept unique anymore
And like I said, that's his view and interpretation of the characters, doesn't make it right or the only one, it's just one of many. Characters are one of the few things that I believe an author can't say anything absolute about, they can only give their opinion. And it's definitely a weighty one, and shouldn't be taken lightly, but when it comes to characters I don't hold the author or creator as the end all and be all.
Also, like with any TV show, you certainly have primary writers or lead writers (usually whoever came up with it in the first place), but you have other writers as well, Greg Weisman was not all by his lonesome and existing in a void during the show, there were other writers working on it as well, just like with any show. I think that's why the comic continuation of Buffy the Vampire Slayer became an issue for me, because Joss Whedon pretty much is working on the comics all by his lonesome self and doesn't really have other writers to keep it all grounded or ideas from running amok. And yes, the creators can be wrong, they're just as human as we are and just as prone to making mistakes, so yes, the writers can be wrong. Like the current writers for Halo for instance, 343 Industries, they're getting just about everything in the Halo franchise wrong.
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You still have to explain how Elisa as a gargoyle would be any better than as it was meant to be. Or why making that change not being a conscious decision would be good thing.
It only seems old hat now because everyone does it these days; Goliath and Elisa were one of the first inter-species couples on television or in the media, especially where one of them was so obviously not human.
The only time Gargoyles was truly bad was when the show wasn't written by Weisman, i.e. Goliath Chronicles. I'd rather not run the risk of that happening again, thank you very much.
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Haha, I never said anything about better 
It might have been unique then, but for someone like me only finding the series now, inter-species relationship is something old hat
Look at each individual episode, not all of them were written by Weisman himself [link] . Other writers is not bad 
And just as an edit, in the post earlier where I said "On certain issues such as characterization or character interpretation (something entirely subjective) I've very much come to embrace this concept." It was supposed to have this link: [link] . And meaning that that was the view I had come to embrace when it comes to things like characterization or other highly subjective material.
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Great work on this piece, love the color and flow. If there was ever a pair in all of animation who truly deserved to be together it's Elisa and Goliath. Puck should have granted her Demona's gift/curse, it would have been fitting revenge on his part. After all, he is the trickster...
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What a fantastic piece...it really shows their passion for each other. I always loved the coupling on the series and I love where you took it!
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Thanks, and I kind of did too. It's just too fun, you know?
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I would love to use this in my next youtube video. If you let me, what are your terms and conditions?
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Check out the video at this link [link] Thank you for your help.
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Lovely work and I like the fact that Elisa is a gargoyle here.
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Me too! They should;ve kept it that way from the beginning.
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It would have been a bit tough for her to have such a sudden life change, that is for sure. Though if it was a curse like Demona has, that would have been awesome in my opinion.
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Totally! I mean, Elisa's a tough woman, right? She could handle it. Besides, she'd get to be with the best Gargoyle in the world. Who'd say no to that?
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Loved this the first time I saw it years ago, and now that I saw it come up through the group I continue to love it if not love it even more.
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Thanks!
I wanna try doing more fan arts some time but time and other things are against me.
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I know the feeling, it's work (two jobs) and school that usually gets me. I'm sure you'll get to do it again some time
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Wonderful picture. I love the passion and flow to it.
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they are 1 of the best couples ever!
great job on coloring, poses, everything
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This is still one of my favorite pieces of these two.
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Are you planning on loading your fanfic up? On fanfic.net or wherever? 
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On FF.net, look up the pen-name Himuragoyle. I've got some stories up there, just not the story pertaining to this fic.... yet.
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Aww, too bad. You should upload it.
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Just beautiful coloring job, poses, & how passionate their kiss is. I love both Goliath & Eliza a lot!D
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i'm in love with you're Gargoyles pictures! AHHH! i'm sry...that was stupid. but they are just so good and they have a similar style to that of the comic.
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IF there's a fic behind this, I want to read it.
Also the art work is AWESOME! I just can't say this ehought about your work. it's really great.
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Um, not quite yet. There will be, but don't expect it to be explicit. ^_^
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This is so beautifly done. Great emotion and wonderful coloring.....so happy for them..*sniff*
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