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Description The Evolution of the Combat Shotgun


Pictured are the Mossberg 500A Mariner (Top) and the Winchester M1897 (Bottom)

The Winchester 1897 was designed by John M. Browning and was a recreation of a previous invention, the Model 93. The Shotgun featured an external hammer and a 30-inch barrel and the new 'Pump Action' design. Though the gun was overly complex internally, it was extremely simple to use, making it one of the Sporting Arms of its time and many years to come. The shotgun first saw military use in the dence jungle of the Philippines, where it was seen as the perfect close quarter combat smallarm, capable of leveling an enemy within 25 meters instantly, or better yet, sometimes multiple enemies with one shot. The gun the went through a radical cosmetic redesign during World War I, where the barrel was chopped down to 20 inches, a headsheild and bayonet lug where added, for the simple fact that every weapon had to have a bayonet fixture for the age old bayonet charge. It then became the Trench Gun or the 'Trench Broom'. The US Army issued this weapon as a Trench Clearing smallarm, for the Bolt action rifle was too slow to load and get a follow up shot in close quarters. With the lack of a aproper disconnector, the 1897 had the 'SlamFire' ability by design. This meant that if one where to hold the trigger down, the gun can be fired as fast as one can pump the action. This weapon was loved by the US army and the Doughboys who carried it. The gun was tough, reliable and could take the beating of a lifetime and still function, the only problem was that during World War I, paper hulls on the shotgun shells where still being used. Brass ones had been made, but they where never shipped to Europe during the war, so in damp weather the paper hulls would weaken, crimp and warp, causing feeding problems for the shotgun. Reguardless, the Winchester 1897 is the most popular pump action shotgun in the world, and becuase of its emence popularity, the gun saw service in the Military and law enforcement up until and even a while after the Vietnam War.

The Winchester M1897 was replaced by three weapons in most armories, the Ithica 37, the Mossberg 500 and the Remington 870. All of them are slide action shotguns as well, each alot simpler, lighter and ultimately more manuverable then the M1897.

The Mossberg 500 was released in 1962 as a sporting shotgun that was much simpler in design and became popular amongst the fowl and bird hunters. There are dozens of models and variations of the Mossberg 500, ranging in different guages, even a .50 cal muzzleloader. They are all slide action shotguns and they all feature an Aluminum receiver for weight purposes. Many people cringe at the hearing of an aluminum receiver, simple becuase it is not strong enough, and it does not blue like steel. The Mossberg 590 is the Mil-spec version of the Mossberg 500, and it features a steel receiver and was abopted by the US Military for a period of time, and it is still found in many Military armories. The Mossberg 500 can be outfitted with many different lenght barrels including rifled ones, heatshelds and foreward mounted taclights.

The Mossberg 500 Mariner is the Mossberg 500 with the MarineCote finish. This makes the gun itself impervious to rust, even when exposed to salt water.
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Comments: 14

Reddbecca [2013-01-07 02:52:34 +0000 UTC]

Technically you left out the Winchester Model 12 and 1200/1300 in terms of replacement models.

It's pretty amazing. In 116 years time the science behind the pump action shotgun has changed very little. The internal designs have been simplified, but overall there's not much more that could be done to improve upon the basic platform.

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TheDrawingFedora [2007-12-01 02:46:03 +0000 UTC]

Nothing says "Goodbye" like a good ol' Trench Gun. What I would do to get my hands on one.

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GangsterLovin [2006-06-20 06:01:12 +0000 UTC]

I coulda had a Mariner for a couple hundred dollars more. My papa's a penny-pincher! But still, I'm satisfied with the Persuader I got. Also, what's the standard magazine-capacity for a M1897?

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FNPhil In reply to GangsterLovin [2006-06-20 23:28:31 +0000 UTC]

the M1897 is 5 rounds in the mag, then +1 for the chamber, so, 5+1.

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GangsterLovin In reply to FNPhil [2006-06-23 00:09:25 +0000 UTC]

Oh, just like the no-longer-manufactured Remington M31 riot shotgun... I coulda sworn I saw a Winchester 1897 in the gun section at a Scheel's sporting goods store last summer... Well, maybe not an M1897, but a remake or a clone.... I favorite this now, I love this pic.

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IggyHazard [2005-11-28 23:26:08 +0000 UTC]

Technically, the combat shotgun has evolved even beyond that with examples such as the Neostead, a reverse pump-action ambidextrous bullpup with dual top-mounted magazine tubes. -> [link] -> Not that the Mariner isn't awesome. It is. It's just that the fixed tube design concept hasn't changed much. Well, that's probably because it works. But I personally would like to see more variety available on the civilian market. We can get the Saiga 12 (or 20 or .410 bore version), but it's neutered! Neutered in the sense that it has to have an ordinary stock to be legal for import instead of its proper pistol grip stock. The standard-type neuter-version stock adds unnecessarily to the overall length which is already longer than the weapon was intended to be due to the draconian laws governing barrel length. Firearms shouldn't be built around laws, they should be built around functionality.

Where'd that rant come from?

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FNPhil In reply to IggyHazard [2005-11-28 23:35:17 +0000 UTC]

Ha. yeah I completly understand. I only stopped at the shotguns I stopped at well, becuase I don't own those...Anyway, I know what you mean about the Saigas. I own a Saiga-20, and when I get the correct amount of US parts for it, the conversion to take the pistol grip should be easy. I was told it should take no more then an hour to do so. If you look on the bottom of the Saiga, you can see where they welded a plate over the original trigger cut out, its just a matter of opeing that back up again, putting in the correct trigger, and then...well, you know the rest.

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IggyHazard In reply to FNPhil [2005-11-28 23:45:06 +0000 UTC]

Sad that they have to butcher their guns to make them legal in the Land of the Free.

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FNPhil In reply to IggyHazard [2005-11-29 00:03:46 +0000 UTC]

I don't blame the russians thought, I blame the Anti-Gun nuts in our government who pass rediculous laws.

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IggyHazard In reply to FNPhil [2005-11-29 03:06:18 +0000 UTC]

Precisely. That's exactly what I mean. Our nation is infested with defeatist internationalist degenerate scum.

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nklstheone [2005-05-21 03:11:26 +0000 UTC]

Now where in the hell did you pick up a god damn Mariner? Are you a good getting 55% pattern density at 40 yards? I'd expect as much from that gun. That and the Ithica. Damn 16g. Never can find ammo for those, which is why I sold mine. Not very versitile in my corner of the globe either. I've caiugh a few 10g shells at a Rowanda customs office while checking in my hunting gear once. Then they confinscated my .38 special glock, and set it next to the biggest rifle I'd ever seen in south africa. Still don't know what that thing was, but I learned that they don't allow handguns in Rowanda or Botswana. Pissed me off. Didn't get it back until I went state side three months later. They thought my oneida bow was a rocket launcher. Took almost eight hours before the governor in Peirl let me go.

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FNPhil In reply to nklstheone [2005-05-21 03:42:36 +0000 UTC]

Someone I knew was looking to sell it, and I snatched it up that day. As for the Patern Density, I've gone trap shooting with it just for shits and giggles and did rather well. I got some scary looks from people but it was worth bringing an 18.5 inch barrel to the trap range. Also, I have never really set up a target at 40meters and shot at it for pattern, I've only shot at a 75 meter row of targets and peppered them all with a few shots and it looked pretty decent. Someone would defenelty be getting hurt out there if I was shooting at them, but then again, If someone 75 meters away, I'm gonna switch to slugs.

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JazzLizard [2005-05-21 02:35:54 +0000 UTC]

Now THAT's a bayonet!
Very nice job on both of them!
I love the diversity of art forms on DA, it's refreshing to see something like this, it really is.
And you knowledge of these weapons is fascinating too.

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FNPhil In reply to JazzLizard [2005-05-21 03:06:09 +0000 UTC]

Thanks dude!

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