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GrantExploit β€” Some Native Nations by 1650 (Arab Trader AH)

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Published: 2018-05-02 05:27:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 540; Favourites: 7; Downloads: 5
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Description (Originally dated 2015-03-23.)

A map in a rather unlikely alternate history scenario where Arab traders land in around ~1250 on the coast of Texas, introducing the Native Americans to Eurasian diseases, Islam, and many Old World material goods (horses, citrus, dates, etc.) before just leaving, preparing the natives for the later arrival of Europeans.

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Planet1337 [2021-12-15 01:06:53 +0000 UTC]

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DaMummyFox123 [2018-06-14 03:50:48 +0000 UTC]

have some Seneca Indian in me

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GrantExploit In reply to DaMummyFox123 [2018-06-14 04:00:00 +0000 UTC]

Ah. Interesting.Β 

As you can probably tell, most of the stuff in my gallery is so old you probably couldn't even carbon-date it.Β Β I was interested in markedly different stuff then. Actually, no, I was interested in the same stuff, just to different degrees, and my ability back then to draw stuff not related to maps, climate, or pixel art was the same as it is today... zero.

I just wish I had the remotest of art skills and/or cash to bring my universes to life...Β 

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DaMummyFox123 In reply to GrantExploit [2018-06-14 04:10:26 +0000 UTC]

Eh im no artist either, i do it for fun.

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ComradeMaxwell [2018-06-11 06:44:40 +0000 UTC]

Fascinating idea. I assume the Europeans wiped out the natives even more radically in this time line?

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GrantExploit In reply to ComradeMaxwell [2018-06-11 20:18:45 +0000 UTC]

No. The entire point of it was the exact oppositeβ€”the Native Americans are "pre-introduced" to Old World diseases and goods before the Europeans arrive, giving them preparation.

I've been thinking of reviving a similar scenario currently, with a slightly different premise:

  • There is no pre-introduction of material goods.
  • Immediately after the ancestors of the Native Americans crossed the Bering Strait, a mutation occurred that resulted in them having inherently more adaptable immune systems than Old World denizens. Therefore, no contact and massive plague outbreaks were needed to give them relative immunity to Old World diseases. This would be supremely helpful to the development of Native culture, especially as some theories attribute the fall of the Ancestral Pueblo cultures and many Mississippian cultures to smallpox brought by the Vikings.
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    ComradeMaxwell In reply to GrantExploit [2018-06-11 22:01:20 +0000 UTC]

    Hmmm. Yeah that sure is an interesting thought. But I think the radically Christian settlers from Europe would have killed the natives in bigger numbers because they would have had a more violent attitude towards them right of the bat since they are muslims in your timeline. At least some of them I mean.

    Forceful conversion wouldn't even be considered and they might just would go full crusader on the natives. XD

    But that's just what I was thinking.

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    GrantExploit In reply to ComradeMaxwell [2018-06-12 01:03:42 +0000 UTC]

    Ah. There was supposed to be a "Tours/Talas-style" battle in the early 1400s at Cahokia that mostly stops the advance of Islam beyond the Mississippi, though.

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    ComradeMaxwell In reply to GrantExploit [2018-06-12 14:54:11 +0000 UTC]

    Oh. I see now. But I think the caliphates in the east definitely will become targets once the westerners have advanced that far.

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    GrantExploit In reply to ComradeMaxwell [2018-06-12 19:54:40 +0000 UTC]

    对。

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