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People are already trying to paint me as a villain, but really they are painting themselves as villains.
A double sided sword cuts both sides.
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Ha yeah I know what you mean. I say "so what", better to live free as a villain and enjoy it, then live enslaved as a hero and hate everything.
And yeah it does cut both ways, always, and time will also reveal who the real traitors to justice/vengeance are in the end
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So it's better to live as a tyrant and hate free trade and capitalism than to be free to trade and capitalize while risking everything? Russia called, communism died ages ago.
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What the hell are you talking about? Capitalism and free trade is the best thing under the sun, more of that and less of everything else.
And I'm talking about hero and villain in a more mythological sense, or psychological archetypes in a way, you know. It's not a literal polarization, hmmm maybe words are too vague in that way and leave too much open to interpretation without knowing in me personalty.
But I'll give it too you like this, I'm a classical liberal, I lean towards where ever the most freedom is for everyone.
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I agree that free trade is good. Problem is that Corporations hate the idea of competing with each other and demand Corporate Communism. They want the Government to give them free money for simply being corporations, they want participation trophies. This in turn reduces the need to compete, and the idea of Free Trade loses momentum because the Corporate Oligarchs are making more money doing nothing than by hiring employees and competing to have the best product or service.
And I was talking that way about heroes and villains too.
I just hope you can see that Trump leads to the least freedom we'll have during America's entire life.
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Yeah corporatism mixed with government is a terrible thing, you are right, it destroys the free markets and healthy capitalism. The government should not them bail out, they should live and die by there own financial merit in fierce competition so that new companies and services can take over the market space with new better and cheaper ideas.
I don't know, from the media that I have see, it has looked like the democrats have been moving america closer to this corporate communism and Trump is trying to push it back closer to the free markets. I could be wrong, there is so much info flying around these days it's hard to get a grip on it all and from reliable sources, I try to stay away from Legacy media because I think they are all captured by the crap-tivism of the large corporations.
So I don't see it that way, I see it that Trump is leading america towards more freedom, not less. Looking at what he has campaigned on for his core constituents, he is delivering on most of those promises. It is more right leaning and populists direction, but it looks to me that Trump is more of a old school business democrat then a true Republican.
But honestly I think/believe this is all just for fun, for the show, none of this politics matter really, though it is nice to pick a tribe and get down and dirty in the political street fight that this whole thing has become. The thing that scares though is the amount of debt that america has, it's almost at the point where is will eclipse there own GDP and if the country/empire can't finance it's debt and it's currency takes a dive with hyper inflation then all bets are off and it over in a catastrophic way. No more add and protection/stability for the rest of us (I live in Africa) What mathematically can''t continue, won't continue. And I think that all of this will happen on good old Trumps watch/presidency, he'll take the blame, and it will be damn hard times for the whole world in an economic depression.
So I think we live in a golden-age. People people just don't realize it yet.
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WOAH!! Hold on, you think Donald "Bail out the failing Coal INdustry" Trump is pro-free market? Fuck no, he's the Corporate Communist I was talking about. Handing out Welfare Money (disguised as tax cuts) like they're candy for the rich. He is most certainly not a Free Market type.
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Interesting, I'll have to take a closer look at this. I thought one of his campaign promises was to prop up the rust belt, so the industries there can get back on there feet. But the way you state that, would be he is buying votes with tax welfare. Could be, could be. I do think the tax cuts has brought some relief in the short run though. Strange the propaganda on this one must be quite high on ether side of this issue because I haven't head much about the coal industry. Though your growth rate is a 4%
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He promised Reaganomics, Trickle Down stuff, Wall Street Welfare. His Tax Cuts are incentives for companies to NOT compete.
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There is a too much polarization for me to find good info right now on this. One side says it's all hogwash and the other side says it's nothing but the truth, hard to make a good analysis. Not too sure about that as incentive, but I have seen the the Tax cuts have helped relieve lots of normal people and small businesses as well.
But time will tell, I was very disappointed to see Trump rise the debt ceiling. that is one clear thing he has renege on. So if what you are saying is true, then time will show it out and it can not be hidden. But right now the economy is doing very well and people are very happy with that.
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1. Reagan nearly killed the economy and Bush caused the Housing Crisis. The culprit was Reaganomics both times.
2. The economy is barely running on the residual effects of Obama policies. Unemployment is already up and Trump is merely hiding the data.
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I think Bill left the economy kind of where he found it really, but then I didn't follow his precedence very closely, so could be. From what I've seen it's more the opposite of that when it comes to Obama. I'm sorry, I don't know who Hannity is. . . I see he is from fox. I don't follow any of the legacy-media, fox might be more right-leaning but I think they lie just like all the rest of them. The legacy-media is too hysterical and flashy for me, I like to listen to more objective people (that I think of a classical-liberal in disposition/philosophy) analyze the issues in a long format, trying to poke holes in arguments and walk ideas down in a kind of dry manner. haha Kind of like Obama, that man has a voice of deep honey and can make some great speeches that are fantastic to listen to.
I must say, it's amazing/fascinating to see how different blocks of news/info changes our perceptions of the issues/people. I wish we could just get the pure truth, but is different for every person I think. I orientate my life with the blocks of info/media that makes sense to me, and gives me some sense of confidence that fits my sensibilities and view of morality. I just don't have the time or inclination/energy to get the truth out of all the lies that everyone seems to be peddling these days, but I try, when I can. Even so, it always makes me wonder if I know what the truth really is. I will keep an eye/mind open to what you have said and focus more on trying to catch the lie (if there are some, and I'm sure there are), should be a good acid test to see if they are lying too much, or giving a false analysis of whats going on.
Thanks for the conversation, it was enlightening for me. Maybe in time with some deep thought I'll change my mind
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Ah, I don't know about that, there is a lot of economic data to go through in that time, but I will give you Reagan and bush (if we look at them alone), but the Bill and Obama have to take some blame as well, less Bill though. Obama nearly doubled the debt, that catastrophic in my mind. And Obama-care was a mixed bag full of snakes. And I think at this point it's unfair to still give Obama credit or blame for the how things are going now, it's now all on Trump, good or bad.
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Bill gave us a surplus, Obama raised employment and lowered the deficit despite the whiny Republicans that cried to Congress to stifle a guy they whined about. THe point is, stop listening to Hannity.
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The very fact that you see 'the others' as 'traitors', instead of just people of another political leaning is a bit disturbing. You don't honestly think that Americans that don't vote republicans are traitors, do you?
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waaa? no, I see them as people. Normal people can be traitors, and you are right, they are just normal people of a different political leaning to me. And it's more in ethical scene within the political theater, next elections things might change again. What again? no, people can vote any way they want, in the 90 the democrats were my jam man, but for various philosophical reasons the republicans have a better moral stance in my view. And I'm sure to other people I am seen as the "traitor" as well.
Besides, my own people ( Afirkaans boer ) are getting slowly slaughtered right now. You bet your ass I'm going to gravitate to anyone that is willing to help us.
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I thank you for the clarification. It settles the unease.
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The first part I agree with completely.
Only the victorious write the history books, and the left winged myopics are scared because they are losing ground exponentially with the ones in the spotlight. Socialism can work, but it never lasts, not even America could get behind socialism during its founding.
I can dodge an attack from a double bladed sword, but the wielder cannot.
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Ah things will play out as they must
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Don't give that guy any credit, he instantly buries his head in the sand when people bring counter arguments that make him look wrong.
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Yeah that's how Trump operates, this is a political street fight. People are not well informed or very educated, and have the attention spans of hyper toddlers, he only needs do convince 51%and/or the majority in a democratic fashion that his party is right and damn the rest. There are not debates anymore, there is only the spectical, and Trump is a master at this manipulation. Trump may look foolish and stupid but the majority respond favorably to his message, and the legacy-media have over played there hand in turning him into a one-dimensional villain, his core fans flock closer to him with every message that demonize him. It's almost Shakespearean, that way that this whole thing is playing out, in my opinion.
It's really is a great weakness of democracy that we westerners have never addressed. The vote of the dumbest persons in society counts just as much as the and the most highly intelligent and well informed persons. And there will always be more foolish people then wise intelligent people. I don't know how that can be fixed, but some smart people should spend a goodly amount of time thinking about a fix for that problem. But right now I'm happy, cus I like Trump, I think he is a good guy. I loved Obama at the beginning of his presidency, hated him at the end of it though. Maybe next election I'll be unhappy and you will be happy with how it turned out, that's just the way things go. 10 years form now Trump will be dead anyway and we will all have other things to keep ourselves busy with
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Now what we need is someone to do to trump what just happened to Turnbull
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I'd be laughing at this if it wasn't so true again.
Well done sir.
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Ignore . He buries his head in the sand by blocking those that would bring logical arguments towards him, that guy is a total communist.
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How is this true? My head is not in the ground. It is too busy proving people wrong and insane by giving cold hard facts
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i do hope that they take a look around soon...
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Do mind that Fallendragonwolf is the character in the picture, as he keeps blocking anyone that have even the slightest opposition to his views.
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I'm pretty sure he's doing a bit. That or is just extremely obnoxious in his stupidity.
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I am right now. And everything is awesome!
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Well played, good sir, well played.
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So many comments of crap... Can't breath too much shit being thrown around. I wanted to eat popcorn and read the comments of banter back and forth but it's just making me feel motion sick.
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Almost an entire political vacuum on this site, wow.
Doesn't promote healthy patterns, mannerisms or anything, but honestly all of us are here because you provide some entertainment with little stingy political comics, which many are quite entertaining. Some are just in bad taste, and others are just simply there. Appreciate it though, really illustrates the mindset of any wild fellows on this app.
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I think you guys are missing the point (and some of you proving it, as well). Some people, and in fact the majority, who voted for POTUS Donald Trump refuse to admit that it was a mistake and that no matter what evidence to the contrary, will defend him against any charges, no matter how much proof there is.
Is Donald Trump guilty of crimes? That's for the courts to decide. But we know he lied and tried to subvert the American Democratic process even before he ran for office. Donald Trump was the chief and most vocal proponent that then POTUS Obama was not a citizen of the united states. In fact, Obama, and ever other candidate must submit a notarized copy of a birth certificate to run for the office. Obama was born in Hawaii, at the Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital Honolulu. His birth was announced in two newspapers at the time. His birth certificate was published and confirmed on numerous occasions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pre… Yet people decried all this evidence as a forgery and 'fake news'. Donald Trump also stated during his run up to the election that a.) he would release his tax returns if elected, and b.) he couldn't release his returns because he was being audited, and the IRS wouldn't allow it. The IRS stated that this was not the case, and Waren Buffet, one of the richest persons in the would, released his tax returns while he was being audited, just to prove that it was a lie. He is worth roughly 90 Billion USD.
His attack on mainstream media has a clear aim, the same that Nazi Propagandist Dr. Joseph Goebbels had. To discount and weaken the free press. It should be remembered that back then, and today, presses were in competition. None of them could / can afford to misrepresent important news because it's rivals would castigate it and drive it out of business. As Goebbels said, "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.".
If one discounts the media as a source of information, where is one to go? Donald Trump's tweets? They have constantly been in error and contradict themselves. His own administration issues statements that conflict with his own (like the question of did the Russians interfee with the 2016 elections)
The majority of "fake news" which have made provable wrong and misleading statements, are supporters of the right wing neo-conservatives. Most of who support POYUS Donald Trump.
Before you all jump to the conclusion that I'm a right wing, communist, pinko liberal, I am not. I have served my country in the military, and I am a Jeffersonian conservative. I think Trump has done a lot better than I thought he would. For democracy to survive, it requires an educated, engaged electorate, a free and un-frettered press, and a respect for your opponents point of view and a willingness to compromise.
A nation of Red Capped Ostriches deserve to be robbed of their freedoms. But what about future generations?
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What about alternative/online media? The mainstream/legacy media is utterly corrupt and anti-American.
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What'd the gain be in being anti-American over imaginary flaws it has? If America is so great, and it used to be, people would be jumping at the opportunity to kiss up to it.
The reason mainstream media seems 'anti' America is because the way it's currently being run is atrocious and all normal citizens as well as people aiming to do legitimate regulated business with the country are being shoved aside in favour of corruption and powerplay. If you want to really make America great again, listen to what the criticism is saying instead of acting like those flaws don't 'really' exist. This whole attitude is like someone who took up binge drinking getting defensive over people saying it'd be better for them if they got therapy instead of drinking their problems away.
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With any media outlet, there is a bias. The trick is to know what the bias is. As I said, media outlets are in competition with each other. Any news should be checked against multiple sources. Alternative sources are certainly a valuable asset. Especially when the state controls the media. However, alternative news can be very biased.
I would disagree with the statement that mainstream media is 'utterly corrupt and anti-American". Media in the USA are, as I said, competitive. And in the USA, they are, for the most part, American companies. Not that they aren't subject to some "spin' on the news. Some media outlets, to be sure, have twisted the news to agree with what their audience want so hear. Shame on them!
As an aside, people in the media are human like everyone else. How they feel will affect how they report things. When POTUS Trump says all the media are liars, and you can't trust what they say, and that anything that he disagrees with is "fake news", he is insulting the people in the media, and no matter how much they try to be objective, it's going to influence how they see the news. Ol' Donald shot himself in the foot with that one.
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I should point out, that not all state controlled media is pro-government. In many a country, state funded news outlets is very critical of the state and what it does, and will go out of it's way to expose things that from a government's point of view would be best left out of public knowledge. But I fully agree with the rest of what you said.
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Media in general is something that you need to check up on. Especially if it is something that you yourself agree with. Especially if there is a political leaning presented for the media outlet. The better news outlets will tell you where their information comes from, so that you can check them for yourself.
It's really all over the place, and there is no truly safe way to go about it.
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Yeah, we can Make America Great Again, but first we gotta get the stooge out the White House.
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Actually, the USA IS still great. But the middle class, once the backbone of the USA economy, has been sharply reduced by the one percent and their financed politicians. Mean while, then percent get richer, and those living below the poverty level increases dramatically.
But I have to wonder if it's time to do away with the electoral college.
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Yes, it is time to kill the Electoral College, it causes the very problem too many people are fooled into thinking it prevents.
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I don't think it helps to say 'aw, this binge drinking fool still has a heart of gold'. No, this is going worse and worse, an intervention is needed, no point embellishing things.
America is worth saving, its citizens are great people and having the USA as a strong and stable pillar in the world together with other nations is something everyone will benefit from. But the way it's currently being run is actively damaging.
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... unless you want revolving revolutions like crazy, you have to keep the electoral college. The US is built upon the 'Balance of Power' concept since the Constitution's inception (James Madison, the man whose basic plan -the Virginia Plan- was extensively modified to create the constitution, was a Machiavelli fanboy... I'm serious...) and given the power disparity, you have to balance out the power of the urban, suburban, and rural or have problems.
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The Electoral College is not a balance of power, it is a fascist power grab that gives all the power to 2 states. 2, racist backwoods states that probably are 3rd world countries.
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... you don't look at the maps much don't you?
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Ever heard the term "Swing State"? It's the only ones that matter for Elections, everything else (almost all of it) is literally just flyover country. Wyoming literally has 3 times the power that California has, and most of California remains uncounted.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY… Educate yourself, look at the maps.
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New York City alone cancels out 17 states, and the rest simply make it worse. By making it a popular vote, you get the Sword of Damocles of the farmers simply not farming. Most of those farmers are CoOps and not corporate.
Since the US is the only nation in the world that can sustain itself in terms of food supplies and is the largest exporter of food to the world...
To quote myself from a forum:
Balance. Of. Power. It's pretty much the politics of the US since day one. We almost didn't become the US because this was paramount between the states. The less-populous states threatened to walk out because they wanted the balance of power in their favor so the more populous states don't run ranshoad over them. The more populous states threatened to walk out because they wanted as much power as they can grab. Then you've got the representatives of the various slave plutocracies in the US who wanted to use the slaves as a way to get power -despite at the time the entire institution of slavery was becoming economically nonviable until the Cotton Gin was invented, and thus compromising the shitout on this issue with the expectation that it would economically die out before it exploded- at the expense of everyone else while the abolitionists (yes, they were around at this time, just not a truly major force in US politics until a better part of a century later)/don't-have-strong-feelings-about-slavery-but-don't-like-the-slave-plutocrats-running-things groups wanted to keep the slaves out of the equation entirely...
This is rather evident in every facet of the federal government. Hell, Washington DC was built and carved out of two states just because Pennsylvania was being a major dick when the US Government was in Philadelphia (as in 'won't allow the US Government to function by forbidding it from entering the city' major dick moves, and yes that did happen).
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