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same shot as [link] except taken with a friends fisheye and HDRRelated content
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Thank you again 
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yeah the fisheye I want to buy one of those XD
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The fish eye is pretty tricky to use, wouldn't recommend it - wide-angle is way more usable imo
And I really need to start this paper now
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oh really? I have never used none of those ha ha, but the picture is just amazing!
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The bright colors match so well with the more melancholy feel of the rest 
Though the first shot had a more 'romantic' feel to it, I do like this point of view better.
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Interesting "melancholy feel" - I was going for garish
Thanks much for the comment and
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'garish'....'melancholy' it can match 
And thankyou, so far no sign ups.
But ah well we'll see.
I could use your expertise though!
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Have you tried advertising the contest on the forum? I'd sign up, but I don't think I want a premium membership
Let me know how/when you'd like to use this "expertise" you think I have
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Forum? DA has a forum?
Good idea thanks! And you don't 
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[link] Yup
Nah sounds like trouble that premium membership
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Very nice!
I think you can tell a bit of the fisheye effect with the ceiling and the way the top left curves a bit... The bottom right is quite interesting, in terms of what it could be... makes me think of shimmering gold or something.
I like the HDR effect, anyway, and how that makes it more rust-looking with the grime and the general appearance of it all. The colours contrast effectively enough and... yeah, the atmosphere is quite interesting, especially as it feels as if it's accentuated in a warmer tone, if that makes sense.
Interesting perspective.
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Many thanks
Yeah that lens is pretty nice in tight spaces - and the HDR always adds a weird unexpected look to it
Do you ever use adjustment layers? I almost always hit brightness/contrast, levels, curves, color balance, and black n white (to bring out certain colors).
But you should be studying
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True, true... I think tight spaces is the key to this, but... eh. I did a small mini-shoot on the piano with the fisheye lens and it was quite interesting.
No... not 'layers', as such... it feels a bit too complicated and too intense for a photograph that I want to keep as natural as possible. I have other buttons for that... or rather, I adjust brightness, contrast, hue, saturation... and that's about it.
...I did study.
I can't study 24 hours a day!
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Yeah I've given up on natural-ness, or trying to have things look natural (I'm in a hyper-real phase I guess 
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... 
I don't know the meaning of study any more. To be honest, I just write notes and then look over them, trying to memorise them and that's it. O.o
I try and do it all in the morning, anyway, and once it hits 1pm+, I call it a day.
Your friend, though... that's scary. O.o
I can kind of relate. I know that there are some people that do do that, and... even though I want to do well, there's a part of me that just wants to stick a finger at the system and do my own thing... which is what I'm doing. >.>
Why a hyper-real phrase, do you know?
I wouldn't say so... it's actually a bit boring. I mean, they curve a bit, but that's all. I'm not sure if they're good enough to post here, but I'll have to upload them to the computer and then see if I can adjust it to make it more awesome. They're still on my camera.
..and as for your other reply, I'll have to put it with the others and reply to it all next Friday. To think that this time next week I'll be free is a surreal thought.. and hey, it really passed in no time at all too.
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Ah studied so much so that you've forgotten what it is to study. Thats almost a spiritual state isn't it
I still talk to him, but he's entered into a sort anatomy book laden hermitage
Do your thing man, why worry?
I'm not sure, it might be my environment - or I just like flashy colors
Edit + Upload!
Take it easy man, no worries...let the surreal thoughts carry you away
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That's what taking exams will do to you... not even exams, just tests... and there are tests every month. It's just... Sometimes I feel it's so pointless.
Ooh.. that sounds... fun. o.O
I guess, at the end of the day, I've tried my best? Ha. I can't really say that, because if I had tried my best, I wouldn't have gone on here at all. >.>
Ah, that's fair enough! Flashy as in...? I mean, I take it you're not referring to a rainbow, because my friend `Gwendolyn12 is the person most obsessed with rainbows.
Easy for you to say. I can take an hour just producing a photo for uploading.
Hey, just curious, you've had your wisdom teeth, right?
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meh...when I was in highschool I never cared enough for the tests to bother me, I skipped out on moving up to GT/AP level (basically college level) classes so I could ease my way through school
It usually takes me an hour or two of editing too man
I've got four - never had them pulled, why? Trust me, they don't make you any smarter
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Ah...
Yeah, I feel as if I've always cared in my life, mostly because of my mother, I think, and the pressure she puts on. We're Chinese, so it's sort of a given.
I know the ones you mean.
True... but I would think he worked for it there. Me? I don't know. I don't think I work for it. In fact, this year, I've just been coasting, and ... remaining somewhat average. At my previous school, I was one of the top people there, but eh.
I finished my Philosophy completely today, exam wise, and... yeah, I failed. That's not me being pessimistic, I literally failed from a complete mind blank. I wrote some stuff, but I bet it's not correct and I was waffling anyway. I just... There is so much hinging on this, almost. I don't think I'll get the A I've wished for. Heck.. if I do get an A, I'll believe in miracles. Truly.
How the heck did you find that?
Interesting... My ones are just poking through, and I knew someone who had to get them pulled so... they say it's best to do it now when the root hasn't set in. =/
I think my mouth can take it, though. My teeth has always been kind to me.
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Would you say its a good thing (the emphasis on grades/achievement) ?
Whats wrong with coasting, (I've done it most my life)?
Granted depending on your idea of success coasting can come back to haunt you can't it? I'm not a big consumer and I don't really enjoy the thought of having a ton of money...so the degree I'm chasing is more to get my family off my back than anything else (well a bit of ego too)
How are you defining failure, anything less than an "A"? But I'm surprised man - are you sure you didn't do well on it?
30 Million people have seen it - my brother showed it to me a while ago. "Double Rainbow" will never be as meaningless as it used to be
For me the ones on top have come out and the ones on bottom are just starting to. Haven't really bothered me at all so...I mean at first when they broke flesh it was kind of interesting (not painful)
Getting yours taken out? I wonder if the tooth fairy puts a premium on wisdom teeth (I imagine they're slightly more valuable)
Good luck with the rest of your exams though
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I don't think it's something that you can confine... or rather... no, it's not a good thing, but then I'm biased.
True, which makes me wonder how it all began, but I'm not fond of pressure anyway, especially when other people are laying it on you so that you feel obliged or you feel you have to do it otherwise it's the end of the world.
You know, with that way of thinking (polarized, I think it's called), it's no wonder that China has the least 'secure attachments'. That's what I read.
Ha. Some are. We've got our regular dumb folk too.
It just feels wrong because you're not trying your best.. you're not grabbing the bull by its horns; you're just sitting on it and wacking the bull once in a while.
I'm not a big consumer either, but money does help.
Yeah, I know what you mean. =/
Failure will be anything less than an A. I'm fine with Bs and all of that, but Universities want As and if you don't have As, you fail. That's life. o.O
I'm sure. I blanked out. That's why I'm so sure. >.>
Ah, I see. xD
Hmm... The ones on the bottom are coming out for me. I can't feel the top ones yet, but then it's typically hard to see them.
Interesting?
At least psychology was fine. That's all I can say. o.O
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There are more important things than grades (job, achievement) right, maybe contentment or happiness? But maybe immigrant communities (out of concern for children's financial well being) push them hard? You mean how the Chinese culture of achievement came about? Under pressure diamonds are formed
I get away with not having to try hard and doing alright - never felt guilty about it. I'm against bull fighting though
It makes sense, why not aim for the top if you're going to take aim
Going to get them removed? When the tooth came out it had like a fleshy cap on it, sort of like having something stuck in your teeth
Some is better than none
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There are more important things than grades, but society doesn't give a shit about that.
Possibly. I do think ... from discrimination, it can be made more difficult, if that makes sense.
My sister went through that, actually... and I did as well. My parents weren't around much so I was thrust into the hands of a random person and my sister went to China.
Yes, it does... which would explain why I have issues with my own parents.
Exactly. =/
It's a circle, in a way... I mean, my parents worked to provide for us, but... yeah, we had to be sacrificed in that?
That doesn't really bother me, no.. I don't really care about anybody else's success or progress, only mine.
Nope.. results will come in August.
That's nice.
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You're right, but I'd add its modern society that doesn't care about anything other than "grades"...(I hope) there are still nomadic tribes out there that have never been introduced to the insane concept that is "formal education" (learning stuff that is essentially useless, right?)
Yeah, the (very real) fear of discrimination does push parents to push their kids, probably more than they need to...
A random person? Do you feel a stronger parental bond with those guys or no? And do you think it was for your benefit (at least that was their intention I imagine) that your parents did what they did? Its easy to understand if you hold it against them...
What good is success if you're the only one that benefits from it? Then again if you see success as a means to freedom (do you?), maybe you should be your primary concern.
I meant passing some exams is better than passing none
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Possibly...
Isn't formal education important, though?
Define 'essentially useless'? Is there an example?
Eh, who knows. Society can change quite fast sometimes.
I don't even know them. It was probably for my benefit, yes, but... lots of things can influence you when you are a child, and those can carry through to your adult years.
One only needs to benefit from it, but then one can share it afterwards, no? After sorting out a few things.
Moving out for me means freedom, so I need money to do that first, which depends on success.
Oh right.. perhaps so. Then again, you need a minimum and if you don't have that, you may as well say goodbye to it all.
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Formal education is important only in the context of modern/industrial society, no? A farmer living in an agrarian society needs to know how to farm and survive - he has no use for what we learn through formal education right? This raises interesting questions about "progress"...but then I don't believe in progress - only a greater increase in production (which I see as an increased rate of environmental destruction). Society does seem to change rapidly
Definitely, childhood years are formative
Does freedom require money? In Portland, Oregon (I think) theres a ton of homeless kids that live as free as they can (though most are drug addicted and victims of insane amounts of abuse)
Sad but true...
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Only in that context, yes. Heck, if there was an apocalypse or the destruction of government/society, I bet nobody would give a shit and it would lose all meaning as well.
Interesting... you don't believe in progress?
So... no progress in art or anything like that?
True.
Yes, they did. I honestly can't remember, but given the state I am in now, I would assume it was traumatic. My sister went through the same thing but with our grandmother and she's pretty fine.
True... but they're not free of their hunger or their needs, are they? =/
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Most people would perish no? Since we never learned the important things, like starting fires, hunting etc (but we could solve right triangles
Nope, don't you think modern art is an attempt at returning to ancient symbolism? Realism is only copying reality (and to an extent because the rules are strict its less creative isn't it?).
Why assume it was traumatic if you can't remember? Are current states that firmly linked with the past? So you and your sister were raised separately?
Fair point (though I'd say their drug addictions are the biggest hindrances to their "freedom")
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Most people would suffer and die, yes. I do feel that if we were put into the situation and position, some of us would pull through... because it's still natural instinct, isn't it? =/
We'd probably lose our humanity, but that could work in our favour with us behaving like animals and all of that, if that makes sense? Have you heard of the 'state of nature'?
I haven't really looked into ancient symbolism to make a valid judgement there, but I think I get what you mean.. it's like we've come full circle then, in that sense?
I agree with your point about realism. I suppose it is less creative if one has more boundaries and restrictions in that sense, whereas modern is the opposite of that? O.o
Still, there is difference in modern art in comparison to ancient symbolism, but that could be because of the materials we have today as opposed to however long ago when they didn't really have that much.
I assume it mainly because your early years have a very large impact on who and what you are to this day. I guess it could be a genetic factor, which would mean it would be inherent and I wouldn't be able to change it... and I don't have choice to change it, which... yeah, do you understand my reasoning there?
If I don't want to believe in that, then I've got to assume the way I am today is because of my early childhood, because my sister and I were brought up in the same household in the same way, thereabouts, after I was five or so, but before that, my sister was with my grandmother, and I was with somebody else.
There is much evidence that current states are linked with the past. I've studied it in psychology, anyway, and there is quite a lot of evidence... not to mention, Freud had some plausible ideas himself with how early childhood can impact on adult years, if you disregard all that sexual guff.
Early years we were... since birth to age four/five, which is actually termed the 'critical' period in which we either grow up as psychopaths or something else.
It could be environmental factors later on, as well, but there has to be the foundation for those factors first, if that makes sense?
Drug addictions... possibly. Then again, the trips they go on could lead to a new sense of freedom.
You do, but if you have enough success, you can pull back and relax, no?
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Some of it is natural instinct - but isn't a lot of it know how that was passed down generation to generation? If we needed to would we be able to figure out how to hunt something big enough to live off of before starving to death?
It is a bit cyclical
I think I get what you're saying - you can't change certain things that are ingrained in us (whether genetically or environmentally)?...but what about children that are happy and care-free at age 7-8 (or even people that are happy for the majority of their lives) but then end up depressed? Is the chemical imbalance caused by the depression or does the depression cause the chemical imbalance?
Is it really a freedom that leads to being enslaved to an addiction? I had a friend that got hooked on hard drugs, he had to go through rehab and move about 500 miles away so he wasn't tempted any more...but he is happier now than he's been
You can always be more successful - and I think that's where people forget to relax right? If you make 50k a year, you could always make 100k
I have some training this morning but I'm enjoying the longer replies
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Depends on the parents
Have you read Cormack McCarthy's "The Road"? It describes a post-apocalyptic world where some humans have become cannibals but there are others who survive while holding on to their sense of morality. I mean I'm not sure if it would break down along lines of dominant/aggressive and submissive/passive. Yeah cub scouts
Imagination/fantasy is just about as real as reality (I had this crazy weird dream last night thats still really bothering me a bit
I think the notion of "those backward natives" (or the inverse "look at how civilized we are") is racist. Doesn't it imply that the way we are is better than how they (those barbarians) are? Granted this whole idea doesn't have to based on race (it can be cultural). Am I making sense?
I saw a video of Jackson Pollack "painting" - it looked like he was walking around the canvas splashing colors around-its more kinetic than anything else, motion for motions sake. Yup, didn't all cultures have a purpose, or supposed reason for being?
I'm not so sure - if its the emotions altering our bio-chemistry or the other way around (haven't read Ellis and Beck, enlighten me please)...so I guess I'm more in the cognitive camp than the biological one? I've read when people are in love male oxytocin levels increase (as testosterone decreases) and the reverse happens in females (hormones altering based on emotions). So in this case isn't it the emotions and bonding that occurs between people the cause of the chemical change?
It is paradoxical. I think drugs give a release that I guess can be confused for "freedom" - illusion is a good word for it. Drug addicts lack the capacity to think rationally don't they? And on a secondary level can't they harm society at large (robbery to fuel their addiction since they can't hold a job)? So is it really patronizing to want to help them, and from what I've heard the guys that work in the rehab centers are usually former addicts.
A cold in summer 
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Quite a bit is from the knowledge passed down from generation to generation, if that is what you mean... I'm not sure if many people do that nowadays. Sure, parents teach their children stuff, but... perhaps it's not of the same calibre, if that makes sense?
I think it depends on who and what you are. There will be 'dominant' people, people who have an inner locus of control or a sense that they are... I don't know. I guess they would be more aggressive, confident and so on. Those people will be the ones to hunt something and strive to survive, whereas the opposite will just let things happen and probably waste on the sidelines as a result.
It wouldn't hurt to have those skills... I know that a lot of people go to clubs and scouts or whatever and they learn some skills there, don't they?
Yes, I know what you mean. You have repeatedly stated that.
However, sure, actually practising it all in real life would help, but... books, and things like those can impact on things as well, no?
Certainly, I read books about many things myself and I've imagined what life could be like... I think that helps. It's not the same as feeling it and experiencing it for real, but imagined situations are just as powerful? What do you think?
How do you mean with that last point?
Isn't that construct of us being so civilized motivated by a bit of subliminal racism?
That, I mean? Subliminal racism in what sense?
I see your reasoning there on things being more chaotic than free. Modern art... sometimes modern art is created with no intention, but just to let it all flow, right? Whereas older cultures had a purpose, even if it was abstract? Is that what you meant?
Mm-hmm. Isn't that the age-old question?
I would think that those that had the chemical imbalance would be the ones who would be depressed when hormones hit and puberty hits too, if that makes sense? Sure, people can get depressed later, but... it depends, I suppose. Part of me feels that they're just going through irrational beliefs, negative thoughts and illogical errors as stated by Ellis and Beck. All of those depend on cognitions, rather than chemical imbalance which is a more biological approach to depression than a cognitive one, if you get what I mean?
It's a paradox, isn't it? It gives freedom, but perhaps it's just an illusion of it instead.
Depends on them, I suppose... Part of me feels that drug addicts should go through rehab, but other times... other times, I feel we should just leave them be, like treat them as if they had a choice and chose it and stuff, mostly because to interfere is almost like domineering or patronising or believing that they don't have the rational thoughts to choose their own way of life... does that make sense? =/
Yeah, that's true... that comes with 'what if', I suppose.
Training sounds interesting?
I'm ill, myself... caught the cold a few days ago and I feel like shit now. Not to mention it's summer too.
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