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Sturmlion1 In reply to michealdark [2016-12-11 20:09:31 +0000 UTC]

I think there plan is to disconnect her. She controls the internal defenses and the last thing the NCR wants is someone not under there control having that type of control. Right now the NCR still needs Spike to get them inside because she still hasn't unlocked the door!

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michealdark In reply to Sturmlion1 [2016-12-12 00:50:32 +0000 UTC]

That's my worry too. I mean, it wouldn't be unfitting. The NCR are well-intentioned douchebags in the games, but douchebags nonetheless (then again, that's pretty much all factions in the games. Even the Enclave and the Brotherhood believe they're doing the right thing. Even the Master and Cesare believed themselves to be the heroes. Kkat did a nice job of portraying that in the story). But all that would do is a) raise all kinds of questions about what happens to a soul that's been trapped in a digital medium, only to have it cut off, and b) be an absolute betrayal of Pip that would just make her into their enemy. And it's not wise to have Pip as an enemy. Bad things tend to happen to ponies that Pip deems the enemy. Also, having her do horrible things to them would just basically undo everything she worked for, and start everything back at square one. And no one wants that.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to michealdark [2016-12-14 01:20:28 +0000 UTC]

If she isn't in the SPP and never goes back Littlepip will never know Celestia has been disconnected. I'm guessing Spike has a terminal to her but I could see that once Celestia was disconnected the door could be opened from within and they wouldn't need Spike any longer. And the NCR is the type that would see Spike as a liability. It all comes down to keeping Littlepip away from the SPP.

Which is why we need Blackjack! Security saves pony's. And right now Celestia MUST be saved. From the new villians. The NCR!

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Masterbuscus In reply to Sturmlion1 [2017-01-08 02:39:03 +0000 UTC]

I think that regardless of whether or not she goes inside to see her, she'd come to a similar conclusion. I mean she would possibly want to talk to Celestia at some point and when they say 'No' enough she'll go to sneak in and find out on her own or question people until she finds answers. Which sounds like an adventure  One full of joy, love, hardship, and the death of characters that we love. Or maybe someone working on the inside would help, idk. As much as I love BlackJack, this story doesn't feel right to have her in it. For a major part at least, so far it doesn't feel right to me, but that's just me It would probably be fine if King-Koder can think of a way to write her in.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-01-08 14:20:52 +0000 UTC]

Security saves Pony's. And Celestia must be saved! 

Oh I have to agree with you it would be odd to have Blackjack just show up and help out. Especially with the end we have for Horizons. I do see Littlepip eventually forcing her way back into the SPP eventually though. And possibly having the support of the NCR Citizens while doing so with the government working against her.

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Masterbuscus In reply to Sturmlion1 [2017-01-08 22:36:45 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't be surprised if her meddling in their affairs would make them consider an assassination order. They have very skilled soldiers and since the NCR exist then the Rangers should exist to, from what I know about the lore at least (I only played 3, 4, & New Vegas).

To say that the citizens would jump to her side is not something I would entirely bet on, not everyone would know littlepip the same way others do; and for her to appear about of nowhere and start rebelling against the government that has been establishing a form of order for the last decade may not give her the right attention. I know the NCR would likely use this very fact as Propaganda.

I have my ideas and educated guesses on the ending of PH, but I honestly don't know. I'm stuck on chapter 63 about mid-way through, I heard many opinions not being very fond of it to say the least. If you can please refrain from spoilers if you mention the ending at all.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-01-08 23:28:59 +0000 UTC]

Ah! I won't give you any spoilers then. Hate to ruin perfection for you. I'm just noting that the NCR is still relatively new and what looks like the council is still consolidating its power. Pony's don't know there names. They know Littlepips. They consider her a hero. That right there is enough to split the NCR from its citizens, especially if Littlepip is actively seen fighting against the NCR.

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Masterbuscus In reply to Sturmlion1 [2017-01-09 07:42:53 +0000 UTC]

Well for her sake, I hope you're right. I just played out what could happen for this comic a dozen times and it could go in many different ways from where I see it. Heck we could both be right, and a Civil war could erupt in the NCR and Littlepip, not that she would want that though.

I have to ask, are the NCR like a dictatorship to it's citizens? If you are betting that the people would side with pip before them then I would have to say they haven't been weighing the odds in their favor. But then again, pip could see out of the SPP for the last decade so I think she knows they aren't Nazi's or anything.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-01-09 20:54:09 +0000 UTC]

NCR isn't a dictatorship. But they are early on ruthless in there agenda of bringing lands under there own aegis. Fallout 2 showed how ambitious Tandy was in that endevour. If the NCR saw something they wanted they would send in the troops to try to negotiate for it but they wouldn't take no for a answer. They would take it and if someone got killed they would bury them. I think at this point in the comic the council has gotten big fro its britches and they have discovered they have power. And there going to exert that power.

Like I said, there uplifted Raiders and Mercs. They might mean well, but they will trample ponys and griffins under there hooves and claws if they have to.

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Masterbuscus In reply to Sturmlion1 [2017-01-10 02:48:04 +0000 UTC]

Thus encouraging the ways of before the war....History repeats itself. I didn't know raiders were part of FoE's version of the NCR. I don't even remember NV even going into extensive explanation on their origins if it did at all. I do know they are half a million strong by that point so they are the dominant force in the US. They indeed have power. I also remember reminants of the Enclave being absorbed into the NCR but idk in FoE, pretty sure it is the same as in the game though.

I know it isn't a dictatorship, I was just unable to find the words. I wanted to know if they were ever oppressive to their people, you know like tyrants or something but you answered that in the end.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-01-13 20:43:53 +0000 UTC]

I don't think there meaning to be tyrannical but I do think there a steamroller rolling over individual libertys and lands. NV shows us a NCR that is overextended facing off against another power as strong as its own. The NCR of Littlepips day is much smaller and more compact and controlled. Controlling arms, seizing the SPP, curtailing libertys. 

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Masterbuscus In reply to Sturmlion1 [2017-02-02 17:38:34 +0000 UTC]

All without being challenged by another big faction

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-02-04 02:23:41 +0000 UTC]

There are no other 'Big Factions' to the NCR. Only some mercenary's, whats left of the Enclave, Brotherhood of Steel, and Raider Bands. If this story is following the NV timeline than there still well before the rise of Caesars Legion. And even if they did exist the Legion in NV was the tip of a empire that was finally meeting the tip of the NCR's reach.

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Masterbuscus In reply to Sturmlion1 [2017-02-18 17:26:05 +0000 UTC]

If there is going to be a "Caesars Legion" I wonder if it will be a new character that King-Koder will make or if he will use Red eye's remaining forces. He as quite the charismatic individual and I wouldn't be surprised if someone stepped up to take his place. While red eyes forces are scattered and weak its always a possibility. That or the zebras, since they had a leader literally named Caesar.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-02-19 00:19:41 +0000 UTC]

We had a big Zebra bad with Horizons, I hope its a pony or even a Miniotaur. I could see a Minotaur leader creating a legion and attacking and conquering lands. 

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Masterbuscus In reply to Seanfall [2017-01-08 02:40:20 +0000 UTC]

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Seanfall In reply to Masterbuscus [2017-01-08 03:04:57 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. 

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vree In reply to Sturmlion1 [2016-12-09 12:16:57 +0000 UTC]

Worse thing about reading FOE fics:
all the fans who are only in for their unabashed love for totaliarianism, unjust vigilante "heroism" and unnneeded violence.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to vree [2016-12-10 05:07:37 +0000 UTC]

Its Fallout. We don't play it for the happy endings and the lovey dove stuff.

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vree In reply to Sturmlion1 [2016-12-10 14:44:45 +0000 UTC]

"Badass" hero gunning everyone down IS a happy ending, just for a different mindset.

I'm just worried about the kind of audience this gets every time I read the comments and a bunch of them be like "yea! Pip should just shoot everyone and take over! that pony who looked at him rude should die! yeaah!" etc.

Their hate (for these fictional characters who are acting sensible and in King-Koder's world are even super nice compared to original FOE) is often VERY real.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to vree [2016-12-10 17:55:59 +0000 UTC]

In Postapocalyptia justice comes from the barrel of a gun or the point of a knife. From a certain point of view the NCR is acting way outside its mandate by seizing the Single Pegasus Project and isolating Celestia to themselves as well as removing Littlepip and isolating her as well. And while she may be a peaceful type. Somethings sometimes need to be fought. Remember, yesterday these 'nice' ponys were mercenarys, raiders, merchants, etc that were fighting to survive as well. And given half a chance, they would kill Littlepip to keep her from being used against them by others.

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vree In reply to Sturmlion1 [2016-12-11 07:04:51 +0000 UTC]

So? Littlepip would do the same to them. I mean, don't you find it weird that when one character with no authorisation whatsoever decides life and death it's a-okay, but when it's an elected official doing it we suddenly get pedant about proper mandates and such? Littlepip in SPP basically put her hoof on a public good that she didn't have more right to than anypony else.
For the NCR, who have a responsibility to protect and serve the ponies who elected them (and thus, unlike Pip, can actually make a claim for representing the will of more than just one pony), it is a normal ambition to try to ensure a resource that all for their citizens', and indeed whole Equestria depends on, in a more reliable and democratic way than leaving it in the hands one pony, who has no proper mandate, is possibly sick or dying, and has a history of questionable decisions and violence.

As a young nation, there are some things the NCR must do, if its (only just created) system intends to be more than a joke. Littlepip can either submit herself to the same rules as everypony else, or acknowledge that she does not actually want a democratic rule. From a naive standpoint, this may seem unimportant, but she actually makes a politically volatile situation by monopolizing SPP tower.

You don't need Postponicaliptica for all of this, even. Nations in real life will use every mean they have to protect important strategic points and resources we their citizens, -demand- that they do so in order to protect us. What makes the difference isn't chiefly the means by which they do it (because violence, propaganda and such are a part of running any state), but true representation - the ability to claim that the officials do what the people want them to do. That to me is what makes the difference between a hero and a vigilante, too. (That the former will act out the will of others even if they differ from her own.)

It doesn't seem to me that king-koder's NCR is particularly cruel or authoritarian though. They make a politically neccessary step but: they try to have Pip understand why it is neccessary and give approval; they use minimal force; they are diplomatic; they are generally shown as grateful and concerned for the well-being of Pip and Celestia. And it doesn't seem like they are necessarily unsuited or incapable, either.
Why does Pip have to be the one to be Celestia's caretaker? That was something she just decided on her own in the first place.
Would Pip not be happier living with Homage, if her health allowed, than isolated in the tower? Also probably yes.

Is there really any way in which this is an unreasonable suggestion that calls for NCR-hatred?

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Sturmlion1 In reply to vree [2016-12-11 20:07:18 +0000 UTC]

For one, we have no idea what form of Government the NCR really is. And the NCR is still a bunch of hopped up raiders and mercenarys at this time looking for legitimancy. Also the SPP was also now Littlepips home as well as her lifeline. The gear inside is what is essentially keeping her alive after taking far to many rads in her adventures. Even further, the SPP was the last vestige of the original Equestrian Government and is the current home of one of its rulers. The very pony they don't desire to be inside it in the first place. They are very dismissive of her presence inside the SPP and now that Littlepip is outside it I can very easily see them disconnecting the Crusader Mainframe she inhabits (while it doesn't control the SPP, it does control the internal defences) killing her.

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vree In reply to Sturmlion1 [2016-12-16 09:44:46 +0000 UTC]

I did not expect this to turn into an interesting discussion, but it did, so thank you.

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Sturmlion1 In reply to vree [2016-12-17 14:50:08 +0000 UTC]

I just find the NCR reprehensible in this comic. Very self centered and self serving and willing to steamroll over Littlepip to get what they want.

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vree In reply to vree [2016-12-11 07:11:32 +0000 UTC]

(By the way - K-K may of course may decide to turn this into "it was all a trap!" - antagonists in fiction may go full retard at any moment for the sake of dramatic tension. But the NCR doesn't actually NEED to, even if they do here eventually because of general incompetence or whatever, because in this situation they DO actually have the proper authority, without needing to unnecessarily provoke Pip (or the reader).

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Bubbabuck123 In reply to Sturmlion1 [2016-12-03 07:35:44 +0000 UTC]

I'd read that... I'd pay money for that...

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Sturmlion1 In reply to Bubbabuck123 [2016-12-03 17:37:30 +0000 UTC]

You might convince Somber to write it for the right amount of $$$.

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Syketheassai In reply to ArcwindSaber [2016-12-23 02:16:24 +0000 UTC]

I think it would be better to say that they are a step up from Raiders because they're trying to be a professional govenment.  However in this situation their position is very difficult

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zsewq55912 In reply to ArcwindSaber [2016-12-02 12:36:09 +0000 UTC]

you sould read what i sat on last page

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