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Kodai-Okuda — Tirolean command ship
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Published: 2016-10-30 06:59:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 1613; Favourites: 27; Downloads: 0
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My replacement for the Zentraedi command ship from Macross. This command ship is for the re-imagined Robotech side-project I'm doing for practice and fun. The Tirolean command ship is intended to lead squadrons of landing ships during planetary assaults and solar system pacification missions for the Robotech Masters. At 3000 meters, this craft functions as a sort of assault carrier craft for space marine units. It has nearly all the same weapons as the flagship save for the heavy particle beam cannon. Just like in the actual Macross TV show, the command ship lacks a heavy beam weapon and only uses beam turrets and one nose-mounted medium-beam weapon. It carries large numbers of assault carriers, Tirolean battle pods, and bioroids.Related content
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Hello:
Another great addition to what Robotech should really be 
Keep it up!
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Hi Chiletrek,
I was watching Mazinger Z (the original 1972 series), and started thinking that a lot of what went into the anime of the 1980s came from those mecha designs. Also, I have noticed that Robotech is dying a slow, painful, death and I attribute the reason to the incessant copryright nonsense the Harmony Gold has engaged in with the Macross franchise owned by Big West. They need to let it go. Therefore, I don't mind putting up some inspirational 3D models that perchance might catch the eye of someone with influence over the Roboech franchise and maybe give them the idea to reboot it with a whole new--non-Macross--story and setting.
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Hello:
I can imagine that, back then, it was more likely to have more cooperation between series in terms of some design ideas (even DC and Marvel used to do that decades ago).
I am so glad I am not the only one seeing the obvious about Harmony Gold's problem... I really hope they'll someday see the light of reason before it's too late. And, ironically, Macross is not doing much great and will not do great if they keep doing series like Frontier and Delta (I really think that Macross plus was the apex of that franchise). While Robotech has sooo much unexplored potentials.
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Hi Chiletrek,
I saw Frontier but not Delta.
Frontier was just a combination of the original TV show, and Zero in my opinion. It was still a fun show, but like you said, Macross Plus was the zenith of the show. Macross 7 destroyed the franchise for me (I know some people loved it).
Robotech COULD have been great IF they had cut Macross loose and created an entirely new show/story using Southern Cross and Mospeada. There is a lot of potential using both of those anime.
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Hello:
I have mixed feeling about Macross7, I dislike Basara (with a passion, lol) but I loved the idea of the Emigrant Fleets, that is why I've made ships from Macross time ago.
Problem is that, originally, Carl Macek only wanted to bring Macross but no company would allow him to make the effort of dubbing such short anime (things were way different back then). And I agree that there are far more common things and designs between Southern Cross and Mospeada, but something tells me that the SDF-01 ships we've made will be the only evidence that we once watched Macross and we have some inspiration from it.
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Hi Chiletrek,
The ship designs, mecha (well most of them), and overall setting was good, the whole Sound Force nonsense was not. The Protodevlins were also really stupid in execution even if they were a good concept.
I've read that Macek only wanted Macross. Pity he couldn't just bring that show here by itself, although, bringing both Southern Cross and Mospeada here was a plus since those shows would have been long forgotten were it not for Robotech.
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Hello:
Protodevlins were a great concept indeed, and that's something it will need an eventual reimgination too, hehehe. I didn't like the Sound Force too much, but the idea became even worse in later series imo, at least in Macross7, I did like the Jamming Bird Valkyries 
Macross-purist fans will never see that what you just said, because I do know that, without Robotech, Mospeada and Southern Cross (more Southern Cross) would be totally forgotten. But I don't feel bad about Robotech's existence because I like the plots that were started by it much more than what Macross did.
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Hi Chiletrek,
I hated the "Transformer" looking valkyries. They were horrid.
Macross is a VERY Japanese show. There are cultural values there that people in other parts of the world will not grasp or understand well. I understand some of it, but there are many aspects that go over my head as well since I don't live in Japan.
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Hello:
Have you really taken a look at Frontier's Valkyries? all they are missing is to show them dancing ballet XD .
And it is getting more japanese with every new series ... 
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Hi Chiletrek,
Keep in mind that Shoji Kawamori designed ALL of the valkyries and his focus is on jet-fighters that transform into robots, not robots that transform into fighters. The difference being the focus on which design will dominate the model/vehicle. Kawamori's machines look great as fighters, and they are okay as robots (with the VF-01 being the best looking). Contrast these to the Gundams like the Zeta Gundam which are fantastic looking robots, but not great space-fighters/jets.
I focus on the Gundam Style myself since most of my stories lake place in space.
Kawamori tries to compensate with huge armor-systems that would be great in space, but totally cumbersome in an atmosphere, so for the most part Macross is done well in this respect, but not in Macross 7 because logic and reason went on vacation for that series.
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Hello:
That is true about Kawamori, specially because Macross started Earth-based and it totally make sense becasue Jet Fighters is what humans have been using for decades before the arrival of SDF-1. And I understand why you focus in the Gundam style for your setting.
I love the design of the Legioss/Alpha Fighter, because as a Jet it looks nice, as a robot it looks potent and still has quite the good mobility without falling into the Code Geass/Macross Frontier problem of ballet-dancing-robots.
Indeed, the armor packs it's what saves the Valkyries in Macross... but another reason why I like the Macross Plus/Macross 7 era it's because I love the VF-11s
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Hi Chiletrek,
It was once said by an interviewer for Newtype about Macross 7 that "when Kawamori creates mecha, he is an amazing mechanical designer, and when Kawamori writes a storyline, he is an amazing mechanical designer." That is a polite insult saying his writing is mechanical and boring/predictable.
I prefer the Legioss/Alpha fighter to the Valkyries because it makes more sense as a space fighter. However, the fighter that I have always thought was the best of the Macross fighters was the VF-02 from Macross 2. Jun Okuda designed that variable fighters for Macross 2 and they actually made SENSE! The VF-02J is a pure atmospheric fighter and thus is high-performance within an atmosphere. The VF-02S is a pure space fighter and thus a high-performance vehicle in its environment. That made sense, whereas the idea of a "multi-purpose" fighter for both space and atmospheric combat does not.
The Alpha/Legioss is still better than all of them however. It has everything needed for both environments and lacks any flair or fluff. It is a hardcore military weapon in the way it is presented and lacks the "air-circus" or "conventional airforce" look of Kawamori's designs.
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Hello:
Lol! That was a great quote XD . But yeah Kawamori's true talent is to be a mechanical designer.
Problem is that Macross 2 is like underrated, so I don't think that design became as widely-known as it deserves.
The Alpha/Legioss was made to fill it's purpose and not for show, or hardcore military weapon, so it was a design that always made sense to me. Same with the Beta/Tlead, it's not a fancy-looking mecha, but it's an amazing bomber with such great thruster capabilities that it can get out of trouble, but it has the armor if it needs to.
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Hi Chiletrek,
I agree. Macross-II didn't get enough love due to the fact that purists disliked it due to Kawamori not being apart of it.
Personally, I liked the idea of another alien race encountering and taking over the Zentraedi and using them for their own conquest of the galaxy. The Marduke were a really good idea. It is a pity they didn't continue to use them in future Macross shows/series.
I 100% agree on the Alpha Fighter. It is what a true variable-space-fighter should be like. The Beta/Tread is also an excellent design since it provides the booster and bomber functions to help boost the Alpha's combat capability.
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Hello:
I wonder how many of those purists are now loving Macross-II after watching Macross-Delta .
I've read that Macross-II is not part of the normal canon, so I don't think we'll see the Marduk again, which is indeed a shame 
Both of those designs were well.though 
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Hi Chiletrek,
Last I read, Macross-II is in another dimension/universe of Macross.
I think they should just redo Macross-II's storying with a colony world. Maybe even have the Marduk be from Misa and Hikaru's SHS-01 Megaroad.
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Hello:
Is the same separate universe than the "Do you remember love?" movie?
That sounds totally doable! specially if we consider how much humanity has expanded in the galaxy.
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Hi Chiletrek,
Studio Nue never really answered that question that I know of. It seems that Macross-II is an alternate universe where the Macross TV show took place, but not the movie and the Macross that gets destroyed in the show was just the refit Macross from the original TV show. Macross-II definitely had some problems in terms of continuity with the other shows at the time it came out, and that would need to be corrected if they chose to reboot Macross-II as part of the Macross timeline. I think it would be great if they did that.
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Hello:
That reminds me of the Amalgaverse rpg (ehich webpage doesn't seem to be active anymore) that they used the Macross-II mecha and ships as the new designs been made by Earth after the departure of the Invid Regis, while the REF continues in Tirol.
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Hi Chiletrek,
I don't think that Macross-II mecha would have mixed well with the Mospeada storyline. The VF-02S and VF-02J were designed to fight Zentran and Meltran forces, not Inbids.
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Hello:
They do not, but it was an interesting take to make Macross-II and Robotech to co-exist (with another story that I cannot recall it's name right now)... something like, we know we can do mecha, but we do them from scratch. And their creation was after the Invid war.... but yeah, I know what you meant
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Hi Chiletrek,
With the Invid gone and the Marduk as the new enemy, I could see it kinda working. But, the Alpha is more powerful than the VF-2S, so that makes the UN Spacy fleet look inferior to the REF fleet. That's why I said it didn't sound like it could work. The Mospeada ships are more advanced and more powerful than most of the Macross ships in my opinion.
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Hello:
Well, but since I rather keep Robotech and Macross as separate universes, then that crossover webpage was only good to get some views of things that could be done in a "what if" scenario
And I agree with your opinion, with Mospeada/REF ships been clearly stronger than Macross' ships.
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Hi Chiletrek,
Yep. The REF/Mospeada fleet would probably win against most (though not all) Macross type fleets.
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Hello 
That is something that really calls my attention, how will people compare Robotech (Shadow Chronicles) with Macross Frontier, but that is not fair because since both show have a common starting point, then the fair thing is to compare the fleets in the equivalnet era, so that is around the 2045 with "Macross 7" and "Macross Plus" era
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Hi Chiletrek,
I agree. It is very difficult to compare Macross and Robotech now that both storylines have diverged from each other so much. They are not compatible at this point.
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Hello:
That is also true for any crossover between any franchises, people will always try to compare them (like the infamous "Star Trek vs Star Wars" discussions).
But do you want to know something funny? I've found several franchises having rpgs with the same damage hitpoint systems (the MDC one)... Macross ships are so weak that they would blow-up like lightbulbs as we can actually see in the several tv series XD .
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