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I did. And you clearly don't think about the live of the mother. You Religious Assholes are the ones who deny people abortions when they "need" it. You have no idea what God wants. You think you do, because you read a 2000 year old book. Well sorry dear life isn't that simple. You need to find the answer yourself. It will not be given to you.
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... Actually, might I point out, that they aren't even alive and probably don't even have blood yet when they usually are "killed"? [Actually, you cannot kill what is not even alive... That's basic logic...]
... And honestly, there is nothing wrong with at least having a choice. It isn't murder until the child is actually alive, or has functioning organs.
... And also, The matter really angers what to the core...? You never stated that...
Also, I suppose you don't support the act of eating eggs... Since, you know, it's an unborn chick...
... But, that's just how I see it.
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Do you even give a care in the world about human life? Cos from what you written you don't.
The child is still a human being, even if one day old. And to even abort it, its murder before God.
Btw, if you are referring to rape: fcu777.deviantart.com/art/Evil…
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... But technically, by one day old, that could mean AFTER birth.
... And killing a child AFTER birth Is wrong.
... However, if the child isn't even alive, or technically not even a child yet, then honestly, I don't see the harm in it, since all you're doing is just breaking up a group of cells.
... When you argue with someone, be sure to have the specific facts in place... Because a child is considered 'one day old' AFTER THEY'VE BORN.
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Yes killing a child after birth is wrong.
I'm talking about the unborn child here. And even if its one day old, it is still a human being.
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Indeed it is.
Then, as I said earlier, you should also fight for the life and rights of an egg.
... And in a way, you undermined your own statement by using the term "it" to refer to what you think is a person... If you're referring to something that you see as 'alive', then at least use the term "they", as it is more respectful...
... And actually, within the first day, they aren't alive. It's just a group of cells continuously dividing and multiplying...
... So, there is no blood spilled.
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Actually blood will be spilled. Blood of innocent unborn babies are spilled in hospitals each day and you don't seem to care. And before God that's murder.
Let me ask you this: how would you feel if you were aborted?
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Hey buddy. If I was aborted, I WOULD NOT GIVE A FUCK. You know why? I wouldn't be alive.
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... Yes, but at the point they usually are even aborted, they don't have blood of their own, and it isn't spilled.
You see, the form of death known as bloodshed usually consists of someone having their blood literally spilled, splattered, or drained.
... Breaking up a clump of cells doesn't spill any blood.
And if I were aborted, and I wouldn't feel anything.
Why? Because I wouldn't be around to care, plus my nervous system wouldn't have been fully developed yet. Therefore, I wouldn't feel pain, or anything.
[... I have a feeling that your argument suddenly backfired on you...]
... But otherwise, I see your point, sort of...
But just know this before you go off using the whole "EVERYONE WHO IS DIFFERENT FROM ME IS A MURDERER" argument.
In the seventeenth century, abortions were legal to a certain point because of valid point that 'The soul had not yet entered the body'. Except, they were typically done in a very inhumane manner at that time.
[And yes, you did pull that card. I only replied because you should know that not everyone who is pro-choice is a murderer, just like how not every pro-lifer are selfish people who take the words of a dead man out of context.]
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... And that's fine. I don't see why you would need to, though.
Oh well. It was fun conversing with you, as it's always interesting to see how people respond.
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First off: Do not shove your religion down people's throats.
Secondly, if the fetus has already grown an organ then abortion is too late. So therefore it's nowhere near murder.
"The bible says" is not an excuse for every opinion and make it solid and 100% unargueable.
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Excuse me, who says I was forcing you?
Secondly, even if the fetus is one day old, it's still a human being living inside the womb. Unborn children are not products in which people think they can use and dump.
On "The Bible says", its actually the Truth not an "excuse".
You may think now, "What if the woman was raped?", well let me give you a simple answer to that:
Being defiled (which is another word for rape mind you) is not pleasant at all. And God Himself is against rape. However, resolving the issue of rape with abortion (murder)? That's wrong. That's paying back evil with evil.
Paying back a horrible and sinful act with another sin (which is abortion) will only worsen it.
A woman being raped is not funny nor pleasant at all, but it is most certainly not the baby's fault. Why? Because the baby is innocent. By aborting a child out of rape, the woman is not only committing murder in the eyes of God, she is also blaming the unborn child for the hideous act committed against her.
The woman would have to do what Jesus would do: forgive.
It may not be easy for her to forgive a rapist, but it is worth it. If she keeps on holding grudges against the rapist, it's not doing her any good. And as I'm telling you now, there are people who are in Hell because they didn't forgive. And The Bible speaks of the importance of forgiveness:
"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." ~ Ephesians 4:32
"And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses." ~Mark 11:25
"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." ~ Matthew 6:14-15
And finally, ALL children matter to God, even those who are born out of rape.
"Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward." ~ Psalm 127:3
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Well, what if the mother was raped and cannot physically look after the child if it is to be born?
What if the women in question to be having the abortion wasn't even a women, in fact, a fourteen-year-old teenager? What if the birth of the child would kill the mother?
Women have abortions for a REASON, not simply because they can. They have the right to an abortion if they want.
I myself do not really believe in god. Murder is wrong, but the fetus isn't even a bloody child yet, it wouldn't have had developed even a brain yet if abortion was still an option. I guess I would go to hell then, because if I were pregnant from rape, I would get an abortion also (seeing as I'm not female, it's a stretch but whatever). I wouldn't have the support of a father for the child, the child would have a terrible life.
And if the fact the woman had psychological problems because of being raped? How would she be able to look after a child if she couldn't even look after herself?
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Answer to that: fcu777.deviantart.com/art/Evil…
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That didn't really answer anything. At all.
Also, I had a quick look through your other art and stuff, it's quite nice, except the fact that you're putting down a lot of people. I noticed you're Christian (a bit hard not to notice), and I myself used to be Christian when I was younger, but never in my time as a Christian did I judge people for being who they were. That's God's job to judge people. You're supposed to love your neighbour, but you're not, you're offending a lot of people. And that's a sin... Is it not?
I don't feel quite right with your opinions, though. I myself am a transgender boy. And I like boys... So I'm then homosexual. I'm sinning? Maybe, I don't care. If God is real... Then I'll just rot in hell. But if rather be stuck in hell with people like me than live this lifetime as something I'm not.
I don't mind you being Christian; my Dad is Christian, and so is my brother, and that's fine. But they don't necessary hate me.
Out of all my friends, only three aren't Christian. And almost all of them accept me as me; in fact, most of the people who dislike me don't even believe in God.
If you want some religion in this... God created me. God created me as me, to be who I am and to have free will. He then created me, and all of my bisexual and homosexual friends, to be who we are.
One of my friend's mothers is around as faithful in God as you, and she still loves her bisexual daughter as who she is.
And back to the topic, abortion isn't necessarily killing a baby, because its a fetus, not a baby. Not even alive yet.
I sometimes think God is real. But I think he'd be kinda ashamed of what his people have become.
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I'm gonna be really honest with you (as I hate lying):
If you think I'm being judgmental, I would care less. Why? Because I would rather say God's Truth than being credited by the world for diluting it. And if you think I'm "offending" people, that is your problem, not mine. I'll rather say The Truth as it is.
As for the homosexuality, bisexuality whatever you listed, well, they are sins before God. And there are verses in the Bible that actually condemn the practices:
Genesis 19:1-11 (Concerning Sodom and Gomorrah)
Leviticus 18:22 (Makes it crystal clear that homosexuality is wrong before God. It's not the only verse that warns of such practice)
Leviticus 20:13
Judges 19:16-24 (Similar to the situation in Sodom)
1 Kings 14:24
1 Kings 15:12
2 Kings 23:7
Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (Says what happens to the homosexuals and to other categories of people if they do not repent)
1 Timothy 1:8-10
Jude 7
But bear in mind this: Just because I'm against homosexuality, gay 'marriage', bisexuality, transgenderism and other LGBT related stuff, doesn't mean I hate gays, and that doesn't mean I hate you. I can't hate homosexuals, but as a Christian I cannot and will not approve of the lifestyle. God loves the sinners (including the homosexuals, bisexuals, transgenders, etc.), but He does not approve of the sin. And sin is what separates God away from man, and it is what is leading many to Hell.
Consider these:
fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…
And if you wanna know what real Christianity is: fcu777.deviantart.com/art/Real…
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And now back to the issue of abortion, bear in mind that children are one of the greatest gifts from God. And have you heard of one of His commandments "Thou shall not kill"? By aborting the child, the mother is murdering the baby. A baby is still a human being even if it is one day old.
Good day.
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First off, you read that and put your emotions at front which is never how you give a proper arguement. You've made assumptions because of it.
And nobody told me it's the way you spoke, and your choice of words that made it at the very least seem that way.
If you want to bring religion into it then here; after a day the baby has no body to hold a soul. After a week? No. 6 weeks it takes to develope a heart [or at least begin to] and at that point the mother would most likely have to remove the developed organs from her system to abort and I do not know about you; however I personally have never heard of anyone doing that to a living fetus.
Therefore until the systems actually and properly begin to form, the cells are still the mothers and not the childs [though they are not capable of taking care of themselves fully for a long time].
Rape? Of course you have that opinion. And though I havent read the bible due to my lack of care in a religion I don't adopt (and quite honestly I find the book a bore. No offence, but I prefer Ender's Game.) I do hope you realise that jesus is a man who died thousands of years ago and his opinions are basically out-dated. That is back when humans were still in need of baring children. There are now roughly 8 billion humans on the planet and your god or whom-ever it is specifically you're listening to is neglecting parentless children already born for a child who hasen't even a single organ yet.
Again you bring religion right in the middle of an arguement -- once again, never good. It means you respect 0% of my own religion [really appreciate that]
I'd be much more respectful of your own opinion if you would quit dis-respecting mine, sir, you can't argue with a man who stubbornly says the words of a man who died thousands of years ago is law. It's hard to argue when you know the other one isn't really going to listen.
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I'm actually a girl thank you very much.
As for Jesus, He is the Messiah. And His Word is, always, will be true.
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My point taken. You refuse to argue, and so therefore why should I dare respect anything you say?
I apologize for reffering to you as a male. I don't have telepathical powers.
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As for the referring me as a male thing, apology accepted.
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Don't hate the religion hate it's members.
Each bible has been re-typed by someone. God knows how many changes have been added.
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No, it's perfectly valid to hate the religion. The religion is the underlying force that draws its members into taking onboard the memes of belief it perpetuates with its dogma.
If we didn't have Christian fundamentalism, we wouldn't have to be fighting a cultural war against fundamentalists who propose to return us to a dark ages mentality. If there was no extremist Islam, we wouldn't have people blowing themselves up in crowds and on busses trying to fulfill their brutally repressed sexuality by getting an ostensible reward of 72 magical virgins to be their fucktoys for all eternity.
Some forms of religion, the pathlogical ones, need to be hated and stomped out until they disappear forever.
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Well, yes. I can't say that I could keep myself from hating someone like that if I met them. The extreme ones, yes, I do believe they should go away.
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Okay,situation time:
There is a woman,we'll call her Barb.One unfortunate night,Barb got raped.She was impregnated by her attacker and was given a choice.Give birth to her child or get an abortion.
Give birth to a child
Abortion
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My grandfather was a child born from rape and he was gratefully loved by my great grandmother. So that story proves nothing.
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Its a situation,not actual facts.
actual facts:98.6% of woman who have rape-children mistreat them.
Your great grandmother may have cared for your grandfather wonderfully but that is because she probably was a great person and her tragedy was cared for with therapy and self-help.
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But killing babies is so much fun...
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So does eating meat but your not demonized for that. If a beating heart alone made you human how come its ok to eat beef when a cow has a heart?
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Women have the right to do whatever the fuck they want with their own bodies.
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So if a 12 year old got impregnated, she would have to give birth to it? If she did, the baby and the girl would die. Abortion saves.
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"I hate abortion! It's ending a life!!!!11!" *takes bite of bacon and cheese hamburger*
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Some people get raped, yknow. And some women have a fear of being pregnant, or giving birth and would kill themselves first before having the child. Suicide, or abortion? Hmm.. tough decision.
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Not till 24 weeks, it aint.
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It still is murder at 24 weeks
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I have reported you for stalking me. Now kindly fuck off.
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I'm not afraid of you
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Be afraid of the mods. Now fuck off.
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Still, not scared. At all.
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Why is it you feel the need to repeatedly reply to me? I stopped messaging you ages ago, and yet you are still following me around and messaging me. Go read the Bible or some shit, or pester someone else.
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For one, when you say that at 24 weeks abortion is not murder (which is a complete lie cos it is), I told you at it is still murder even at 24 weeks old, because the baby is still a human being.
And before you even ask "What if the girl/woman is raped?": fcu777.deviantart.com/art/Evil…
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