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So, I realize that everyone has heard of Mary Sue characters, but the thing that bothers me is that Mary has never really been as clarified as she could be. Girls go around crying Mary Sue at every character with long pink hair, then go and create even worse Mary Sue characters in the false illusion that they're making nonMary Sue characters (or even anti-Sues) when in fact they're doing the opposite. Allow me to explain how this seems to happen.

First of all the term "Mary Sue" desperately needs to be clarified to these people, so this brings us to the very important question: What IS a Mary Sue?
At least everyone can agree on one thing. Mary Sues are characters that are so perfect it's annoying.

But. What do they mean by perfect? Everyone has different ideas of that, naturally. Unfortunately, this is how many fanfiction (and other) writers make their biggest mistakes.

When you hear the name Mary Sue what pops up in your mind? A beautiful princess who gets everything she wants, has magical powers and is loved by all the other characters around them? Is that really perfect to you?

Are you sure that in your heart you wouldn't rather be the mysterious emo that everyone else dislikes and is seriously misunderstood or the tough butt-kicking karate girl with short hair? These kind of characters can just as easily be Mary Sues as the girly girl Mary Sues that writers seem to be under the impression are the only ones.


"But my character has faults!" some might point out. Granted, this may be true, but your idea of perfect might in fact include these faults.


A common example of a Mary Sue fault that isn't really a fault is that they get into trouble because they are too caring or too nice to everyone. Well. . . This is an obviously stupid way to go about giving your character faults, BUT it's definitely not the only stupid way. You see, many people only pretend to give their characters "faults" by giving them something supposedly bad that they actually think of positively. Someone who thinks it's cool and funny to be sarcastic might make their Mary Sue character sarcastic, thus making them even closer to their personal definition of perfect.


Heck, if the author thinks shooting a gun off in an orphanage is a good thing and makes their character do it, then their character is STILL a Mary Sue, so long as it's portrayed as good (whatever "good" means. More on that soon).


Why do we hate Mary? While some of the writers might hate her because they hate girly girls in general (and labor under the impression that only girly girl characters are Mary Sues) true authors find her degrading not just because of her (usually) corny looks, background or history. Oh, no. That's the least of the problems with Mary Sue. We hate her, because she can do no wrong.


Mary Sue cannot do anything wrong. Sure, she can trip over a rock if it's funny and cute or maybe even accidentally press a button that blows up a city if it adds to the plot (naively assuming there is a plot). But she can't do anything that makes her a bad person. She cannot do anything morally wrong. At least, (and this is the most disgusting part) what's morally wrong according to the author.


"Ah, so as long as I make Mary do something unchristian she isn't a Mary Sue?"
No. Remember, this is perfect according to you. Even if you use the words "morally wrong" we all know that you're not thinking of it that way. You're not thinking, "This is the part of the story where Mary Sue makes a mistake that the audience knows is wrong and doesn't want her to do!" Give me a break. You're thinking, "This is the part of the story that makes Mary Sue more deep and mysterious and interesting!"


Also, it doesn't help that a lot of people skate over describing Mary Sue as sweaty, smelly, fat or anything like that even when it would be the realistic thing to do. Still, I'm not saying that just because you did use one of those words you're character isn't a Mary Sue either.


Mary can be your own twisted, lame or just plain pathetic idea of perfect.
Everything she does is your type of perfect. Basically reading about a Mary Sue regardless of what person's type of perfect she is feels like reading "BE LIKE ME, BE LIKE ME, BE LIKE ME," which is both tedious and insulting.


Then there are the "self-insert Mary Sues." There is nothing wrong with inserting yourself into a story. However, when people do this, they tend to make themselves seem (admit it) cooler than they really are. This could be by focusing on or emphasizing the (in some cases exaggerated) most interesting things about themself (which sometimes even leads to them getting big-headed and sometimes even believing they're really this mysterious, great person in real life). No wonder the phrases "self-insert" and "Mary Sue" usually go together.
How can you possibly try to portray yourself this way and not get a Mary Sue?


I guess, what I'm really trying to say, is that "perfect" is a very very very broad word to use as a definition for Mary Sue and if that's the definition you're going to use, don't you dare turn a blind eye to your own Mary Sues just because they don't fall in line with someone else's idea of perfect.


It doesn't matter whether they have long, flowing pink hair, special abilities, or who they fall in love with (it doesn't even matter if the author personally believes they ARE perfect). It doesn't matter if they're a tomboy full of flaws either. A Mary Sue is a character who is plainly, mercilessly and unfairly worshiped by the author (directly or indirectly, usually indirectly or even unintentionally so watch out). It's in the portrayal. What could be a Mary Sue in one author's hands could be a perfectly reasonable character in another's.

Real people could take a so-called "Mary Sue test" and score as a Sue. What then? Is the person unrealistic? Perfect? Not at all! How then do so many "self-inserts" get labeled as Sues? Because of how they are PORTRAYED.

How can stereotypical perfect characters in cartoons be bearable? Because the cartoonist is not worshiping them; they are making fun of them.

Mary Sues are not so much characters who are "so perfect that they are annoying" but characters that authors worship. "Perfect" is merely a differing opinion among everyone in the world. So Mary Sues are types of characters *portrayed* as perfect.

One could even go on to say that "perfect" isn't the only thing characters can be unfairly portrayed as. Instead of perfect, maybe evil, mysterious, deep, interesting, random, tough, or funny. It all comes down to how much the author is forcing their opinion on the audience (by doing so, they are either worshiping their character or a view of their character that we may or may not share, in an obnoxious and unfair way).

(I do have to admit at least, it seems that negative opinions are generally more tolerable than positive ones. Everyone loves to hate, but nobody likes a goody two-shoes, and calling a character out every so often can be good for a story).

One could go even FURTHER to say that not only characters can be unfairly portrayed, but THINGS in your story as well. Emotions, objects, lyrics, perhaps even the plot... The list is quite infinite.

One way to avoid doing this is to show and not tell (not even show AND tell. Worry about showing). Be fair. It's almost as simple as that: keep your opinions out of it.

While super-strong, beautiful, all-holy princesses can be corny and obnoxious that's not always the stuff Sues are made of and certainly not the only.


FALSE IDEAS OF MARY SUE:

Many people who claim they hate "Mary Sues" actually just hate girly girls. Most of these people tend to be girls themselves, who are bitter at the stereotype and mistake it for Mary Sue or vice versa.

Others mistakenly believe that Mary Sues are girls who don't fight for themselves or rely on men. Regardless of whether that's stupid or not, it's NOT what Mary Sue means. One of these characters wouldn't be a Sue if the author portrayed them as an idiot. They would be however, if you were supposed to look up to them.

Yes, that's right: stereotype Sues made to make fun of Sues are contradictions, for Sues never make fun of themselves.
Also, Sues are not "characters who are underdeveloped." That is simply a bad character. Underdevelopment and Mary Sue characters, while they tend to go hand in hand, are not the same thing, and the absence of one doesn't necessarily mean the absence of the other.

When all is said and done, perhaps what we need to realize is that Mary Sue isn't a type of character, but a type of attitude.




Oh, and you know all of that goes for Gary Stus too, even though I used Mary Sue as the example instead of the less heard of male-version, right?
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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 20:00:00 +0000 UTC]

Characters that are portrayed fairly.

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NataLeeSan In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-06-12 00:57:05 +0000 UTC]

Haha. Short and straight to the point. Thanks

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NataLeeSan In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 18:25:30 +0000 UTC]

I just realized that if you give me examples of characters I don't know off then it won't be of much help so I'll be a bit more specific. Is Bella from Twilight a Mary Sue?(I think so) Is Katniss from Hunger Games a Mary Sue? (I thought so at first but the last book made me think otherwise)
I don't think the little girl who narrates in To Kill a Mockingbird is a Mary Sue or any of Jane Austen's characters, but she must have liked her characters, they are so nice (well some of them).

Sorry if it sounds like I'm rambling. I'd be so sad if you didn't reply after I wrote so much T.T
English is not my first language so please say if you don't understand something.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to NataLeeSan [2013-08-21 03:53:05 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the late response, I didn't see your comment for a while. 

Katniss is an interesting case for a few reasons. While the author didn't necessarily have a biased positive opinion of the character that showed through, she failed to call the character out in a lot of situations (i.e Katniss approving of people from the Capitol playing in the Hunger Games, etc.). This was due to the style of the book, which was more of a bland narration than the typical "this is good, this is bad," style of writing most stories are in. In my personal opinion, that made the story a little hollow, but I can't really accuse Katniss of being a Mary Sue character. She wasn't portrayed as necessarily having faults nor was she portrayed as being perfect. It was simply bland; left completely up to the audience. I know that's kind of what I was saying in this deviation: to leave the opinion up to the audience, but it seems that should mostly apply in cases of positive portrayal, whereas negative portrayal once in a while (or calling a character out) can actually be good for a story. This was certainly lacking in the Hunger Games. So really, I don't think Katniss was a Mary Sue per say, she was a unique case. Kind of in the middle.


I honestly have never read Twilight, so I can't say I know about Bella. I know she is usually accused of being a Sue because she is pathetic, but I'm not sure if she is pathetic in the same way as a Mary Sue. I don't know the author's attitude toward writing her. Is she portrayed as pathetic or is she always supposed to be looked up to? If the latter, then I'd say: yes. That's a Mary Sue. If not, or if somewhere in the middle (she's supposed to be looked up to sometimes, but not always), then no. That doesn't, however mean she's necessarily a good character, as she's probably a bad character for other reasons (though, again, I've never read the books myself and can't really judge her fairly yet).


One well known character that I can say with certainty is a Mary Sue would be Anne from Anne of Green Gables. Of course, many people still enjoy the Anne books, (I personally couldn't stand them myself), which goes to show that depending on the style of the book, you really can get away with just about anything. The whole point of the series seems to be about an "ideal" girl (Anne), who the author clearly wants us to be impressed with (and any character who isn't is always shown to be in the wrong). I suspect that the popularity of these books is due to girls liking to pretend they're like Anne (and it makes them feel impressive). It's supposed to be charming, I suppose. 

It all goes to show that everything, even Mary Sues can sometimes be accepted. Never say never in story telling, though I think it's safe to say, writing a likable story about a Mary Sue is a hard job.


I hope those answers helped.



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NataLeeSan In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-09-03 00:56:37 +0000 UTC]

thanks! it truly was helpful and unexpected jaja didn't think you'd answer

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to NataLeeSan [2013-09-04 03:38:50 +0000 UTC]

xD Sure thing. I like to talk about stuff like this.

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CuttingAcidity In reply to NataLeeSan [2013-06-09 19:06:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, I agree with you there. As far as I can tell, Bella from twilight is a Mary Sue, but the entire story is quite corny/emo, so. Katniss has flaws, is unsure of herself, and, while the author probably liked her, the last book showed her not broken, like Mary Sue, but unstable. As far as Jane Austen goes, I think that she liked her characters (she wrote books about them, she had to have some degree of affection to them, otherwise it's like... Uh... Literary hatemail, or something.), but she didn't worship them, nor ask anyone else to, so. I guess they wouldn't qualify as Mary Sues. The same goes for To Kill A Mockingbird.
In my opinion, you board the Mary Sue train when you consciously try to make others like your character. "My character is kinda judgmental, I should change that, or people won't like her," or "Maybe they won't like an average girl, lets make her a DIVA," or even "OMG, she sounds so much like a Mary Sue, I'll make her all sad and angsty, so people can, like, relate and stuff". While you shouldn't make a BAD character, you should try too hard to make her appealing.
I know, I know, so long, but I couldn't help it, I wanted to answer your question, as it was also one of mine
Thanks for reading

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NataLeeSan In reply to CuttingAcidity [2013-06-12 00:56:09 +0000 UTC]

Exactly the kind of reply I was expecting, thanks!

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PredatorGirls [2013-06-09 17:12:14 +0000 UTC]

I always thought "Mary Sue" ment some one who was two plain

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Carshia In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 16:49:31 +0000 UTC]

I don't think there's anything wrong with showing your opinion as long as you are not forcing it. I don't see how a character who is thought of as perfect to the author could ruin a story either. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion.

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qutrez In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 15:47:15 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! Always said this, hate mary sues to me, the best way to avoid them is writing in third person, and make them do things that you hate and makes you feel bad (example- betray their friend (get pissed of at my characters when they do that) And also, lots of people in school write about either really depressed, suicidal people or murderers. All-day characters are the best, like the ones you passby at the street, or that girl in school you hate, but still kknow a little about. Real flaws are the ones you would like die if you had yourself (mentally). Even if you love your character, make somethingthat makes you hate them.

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thanatosgrimreaper [2013-06-09 15:23:45 +0000 UTC]

Now I'm scared that I'm unknowingly worshipping my characters. And That there are sues.

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SnapShot120 In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 15:14:41 +0000 UTC]

Do Mary Sue characters only exist in literature or can the Mary Sue concept apply to plays and movies and stuff like that?

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to SnapShot120 [2013-06-09 20:00:50 +0000 UTC]

Yes, they can pretty much be anywhere.

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SnapShot120 In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-06-09 22:57:58 +0000 UTC]

'Cause I was thinking: Wouldn't Sandy from Grease be a Mary Sue? They even have a scene in the movie or play (whatever it is) about how she's such a goodie goodie.

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the-solimnludic In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 13:39:54 +0000 UTC]

I agree with the fun fact, generally...
...although even Dickens has done it before, so like anything here a professional can pull it off when handled and treated carefully. So don't say NEVER.

I would've liked it if you made more of a point to say that Mary Sues are not necessarily female characters (for people like me that haven't really heard of them), although this is a nice argument against them.

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mirz333 [2013-06-09 12:19:28 +0000 UTC]

OMG, I love this. Thank you. I have been ripped on by so many people who insist that "this Mary Sue test has the formula to assure my character isn't a Sue." I want to scream and rip my hair out. I have seen character score far in the "safe" zone and they are the worst Sues ever. Then I have the flip side with high-scoring Sues being some of the most well-rounded and interesting characters.

Anyhow, thanks for writing this. I intend to direct people to it often.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to mirz333 [2013-06-09 20:03:19 +0000 UTC]

Haha, I know. Those tests miss the point so horribly.
Thanks so much!

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mirz333 In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-06-09 20:09:11 +0000 UTC]

Actually, you inspired me to make a stamp. I linked your article in the credits. Keep up the good work.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to mirz333 [2013-06-09 21:46:25 +0000 UTC]

That's brilliant!!!

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LittlePigArt In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 12:17:07 +0000 UTC]

I love this as it is pretty precise on what a person should "NOT" do; however, I think it is vital that you point out ways to avoid this stereotype. I find in writing that my biggest problem is I add things I like to stories. It's only natural to write about what you understand and we understand best what we like. Also, people tend to be self-obsessed and, even if we refuse to admit it (going so far as denying it), we adore ourselves. It's hard for people to write about other people, especially if they don't understand that person. What would be your tips on creating characters? How about developing a character's personality in a way that is entertaining to the reader? What would you suggest? Would it be wise to write about the character in several scenarios that won't be in the story just to get an idea on how to write them better? What about making them more human? What kind of mistakes or negative reactions should they have that would be appropriate? How does/should plot affect characters? I'm sorry if I'm being pestering, but I'm really curious about your opinion since what I've read of your works so far I have found very informative. Keep up the good work. I'm going to go read more of your...work...I can't think of the word right now. Thanks again!

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to LittlePigArt [2013-06-09 20:17:58 +0000 UTC]

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LittlePigArt In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-06-09 21:19:57 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for replying!

I'll have to try out your motto and see how it works for me.

Thank you for all of this new information. I find it useful and I will most definitely make a point to keep it all in mind when I write my stories. You've been a huge aid for me and these...I want to call them tutorials...have helped me regain focus on my current project.

Thank you again and I look forward to seeing what else you come out with.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to LittlePigArt [2013-06-09 21:42:57 +0000 UTC]

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Greenglassnotes In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 10:58:54 +0000 UTC]

Does this count as a Mary-Sue then? 'Cause this is what starts to push my Sue-button.
Everything is just handed to them because the author can't seem to let some genuine plot and character development occur. They need to unlock the big 10' steel doors? Character in question goes ahead and pulls some knowledge out of their ass on how to open it when they would realistically be as stuck as the rest of their companions.
Or maybe that's just a lazy author. But it still gets on my nerves.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Greenglassnotes [2013-06-09 20:19:15 +0000 UTC]

It definitely sounds like a lazy author at least. I can't tell from that description about them being a Sue because it's hard to see the author's real attitude that way.

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Star-Bell-22 In reply to ??? [2013-06-09 08:22:56 +0000 UTC]

The psychopathic murderer cliché makes me wonder a lot about how much antiheroes fall into that category. I both read and write about that kind of protagonist often, and Have noticed that kind of "Swaying the audience toward author opinion" trait a lot when this particular character type is central in the story. I've always figured Mary Sues were limited to characters with too many traits thrown in without any real development of any sort. This post really sheds some light on the subject, but I admit, I'm still a bit confused about just what constitutes it.

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cerbereth132 In reply to ??? [2013-05-03 05:11:34 +0000 UTC]

A few things about what a Mary Sue is or how to use one

A Mary Sue isn't really limited to female characters although most people call the male equivalent a Marty Stu.

A Mary Sue also isn't necessarily bad and can be a good thing to add to a work if you follow a few rules.

It's ok to have a Mary Sue in the work as long as
1. She/he isn't the main character
2. She/he is the main character, but grows up/has character development through the story you are telling.

1. It can be ok or even fun to have some perfect hero/wizard/god like creature in your story that the hero admires, despises, is jealous of, as we can relate to those emotions of admiration, hate, and envy that the character is feeling since we have all felt those emotions in real life. And it can be fun to hear the exploits of prince perfect the ultimate do gooder as long as it's a side joke or a reason why the main character is trying to do what he is trying to do.

Maybe the main character discovers prince perfect isn't as perfect as he thought or maybe he is perfect, and the main character feels inadequate to filling their shoes when they leave. Those are good ways to use a Mary sue.

2. Let's say your character is a Mary Sue, and does ride a Unicorn, make friends with everyone, glow with the light of the sun, etc, but then something happens. The character gets defeated somehow, has a crisis of conscience, comes across a problem his perfection can't solve, develops a god complex, etc. Now your on the road to a good story.

Lucifer the Archangel was pretty much perfect. He was the right hand of god, but then stuff happened and the resultant story is beyond legendary.

Basically being perfect isn't a story. No one want's to hear about how perfect king steve ruled perfectly forever the end. We want to hear about the coup attempt on Steve or Steve's less perfect son who had to take over the Kingdom after King perfect choked to death on the cake served at the party dedicated to his own perfection.

As far as determining whether or not your character is a Mary Sue look at how he is perceived by the other characters. If everyone feels she is perfect, and the one character (villains generally don't count for this) who doesn't feel that way gets an unsympathetic portrayal that tends to lend itself to a Mary Sue. If there is no non villain character who doesn't like the character then your character's last name is probably Sue. (note the situation is good for setting up an unknown villain or a mole however since the character suspects them, but none of the other characters will go along with it and the villain isn't revealed until it is too late or the character has to stop them himself to which everyone remarks they are sorry for doubting him(it's cliché, but it's still a good story) Also it's not enough to say the character doesn't like the possible Mary Sue it needs to be a solid reason. Does the character feel she is frivolous or naïve or weak. This can go back to flaws, but if the author just flat out lists some weak flaws that never come up or the flaws make the character even more perfect like too honest, too trusting your back to having a Mary Sue. It's even fine to just say she is jealous of her beauty/position/powers, but if jealousy is the only reason for any character not to like the maybe Sue your firmly back in Sue territory.

Finally to weigh in on the whole breast size thing it's fine to describe a character as having large or even nice breasts, but if you just jump out and say she had DD's that's pretty unpolished writing. I mean you call a character tall or over six foot you don't say he was 6'2'' unless your writing a DND character sheet and even then your rolling off a table.

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NihonKiku28898 In reply to ??? [2013-04-23 19:32:47 +0000 UTC]

Never knew/heard what a Mary Sue was until now.

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kawaiifairytaledream In reply to ??? [2013-04-17 21:34:39 +0000 UTC]

Now all we need is something elling us how not to write a Mary Sue

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Ryusoku In reply to ??? [2013-04-07 04:48:32 +0000 UTC]

I think a Mary-sue can look pretty and be described with odd traits as long as its not overboard. I also despise Creators pet who get everything handed to them in stories. It gets annoying after a while.

I think a good female character can show weakness and vunerability without going overboard. They have to have some sort of personality while not being sad/whiny/PMSing/Depressed/ Suicidal, etc.

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silver-bluewind In reply to ??? [2013-03-26 12:18:28 +0000 UTC]

I believe a Mary-Sue is a horribly-created character who goes through no actual character development the entire time in whatever she is (a movie, game, fanfic, etc.)

Of course, I could be wrong.

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zombie1242 In reply to silver-bluewind [2013-03-26 16:03:04 +0000 UTC]

I think you're pretty correct.

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silver-bluewind In reply to zombie1242 [2013-03-26 16:20:10 +0000 UTC]

I feel like it's still a pretty vague description, though...

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zombie1242 In reply to silver-bluewind [2013-03-26 21:29:19 +0000 UTC]

Somewhat.. But I think you're getting there.

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silver-bluewind In reply to zombie1242 [2013-03-26 21:46:12 +0000 UTC]

Well, I hope so.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to silver-bluewind [2013-03-26 19:40:58 +0000 UTC]

I think that would just be a plain old, bad character. A Mary Sue is a character who's portrayed unfairly (from what I can tell).

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silver-bluewind In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-03-26 20:29:30 +0000 UTC]

Hmm...I'm still not too sure. Though I very much agree with you that most of the time Mary-Sues are portrayed to be "perfect" or something else as such...There are times that characters are badly-portrayed but aren't Sues, its just that whoever wrote it was failing in literature.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to silver-bluewind [2013-06-03 06:07:27 +0000 UTC]

True, but I think the ones that are unfairly portrayed as perfect are mostly the ones we tend to think of as Sues, if not unfairly portrayed as anything else. After all, there's no such thing as a real perfect person, so what else could it be if not portrayal?

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Bellette In reply to ??? [2013-03-19 13:47:27 +0000 UTC]

I guess the problem with OC x Cannon in Fan fiction is the way the insert of the story of the said "Mary sue" leads to the OOC of the character in interes, going to the point that you describe (you know, a character for example, like Chase Young for Xiaolin showdown acting all nice to the Oc and as a jackass to everybody else, threating overly bad some characters of your choice). I am not bad at fics that makes OOC (because for a fic you need some of it, you are not the author), but sometimes the exploided it really, really, really bad.

Is difficult to find a cannon/Oc that is a bit in-character and not overly cheesy, that's the reason why people tend to relacionate the marysues with the OC/Cannon

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EliTigre [2013-03-16 21:27:39 +0000 UTC]

Is my OC a Mary-Sue if she's a tomboy girl who has some flaws but who isn't at all someone who would fall in love with every "so-said" sexy character *cough*Edward E., Sasuke U.*cough* ?
I like what you've done here, it helps me to avoid some little bad things.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to EliTigre [2013-03-18 00:08:40 +0000 UTC]

Well, I don't think any character is a Mary Sue until they're put into a story. When we see how a character is portrayed in the story, that's when we can tell if they're a Sue or not.

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EliTigre In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-03-18 13:33:53 +0000 UTC]

Okay, thanks !

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to EliTigre [2013-03-19 15:28:39 +0000 UTC]

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maragorikun In reply to ??? [2013-03-11 11:12:53 +0000 UTC]

Although I know "hate" is a strong word, I can't help but truly hate mary-sues. Almost all of them are abused OCs, buuuuuut they have superpowers aaaaaaaaaaaand all the crew of characters suddenly want to hump her. Most of the time OCs are mary-sues and vice-versa. I hate them, especially the random ones that scream I LIEK PANCAKES out of nothing and the whole story keeps on capslocking. Jeez!

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to maragorikun [2013-03-12 06:26:54 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, saying "I like *insert funny/cute noun here*" isn't even original enough to be "random" anymore, so it's a fail either way.

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NightEphemeral [2013-03-07 18:41:17 +0000 UTC]

I try to think outside the box. its just hearing so much about this stuff gets me down. like even if I put a new spin on an old cliché its still not going to be good. but your right. not all of these things are bad. its just hard not to see them as bad when it always sounds bad. I read things like this to try and do something right. I`m sick of all the bad books I find. so I guess I`ll just keep trying my best. thanks for replying back. and for your help.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to NightEphemeral [2013-03-09 00:54:21 +0000 UTC]

Well, don't feel down. Keep looking for inspiration

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NightEphemeral In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-03-09 15:04:29 +0000 UTC]

thank you. I feel a lot better now.

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NightEphemeral In reply to ??? [2013-03-07 05:36:51 +0000 UTC]

I agree about weak characters. but it seems like everything is a sue or cliché. I don`t disagree with you. its just very frustrating when you want to tell a good story and have memorable characters. my question is. is there really anything that is original. like I said I don`t disagree. no character should be perfect. but it can be very aggravating.

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