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Here's a tutorial I've created based on my latest YouTube video, which you can view here: [link]I am hugely grateful to anyone who purchases my books! Here are direct links to them at Amazon:
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Mark
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What do you mean? Most of Mark Crilleys tutorials is just to show one way, but of course there is more ways than this, and you have to add a little of yourself to it
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You're actually explaining it yourself already actually, she's just showing one way. Real tutorials give you hints and tips and an insight which allow you to understand the subject better rather than showing just how a piece was drawn with each line.
The title should be "How I drew two people kissing" rather than how to draw people kissing. there's thousands of other ways to draw two people kissing, but frankly, this tutorial doesn't help in any way to help you understand how to draw those.
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ok, ok... BUt have you watched the video? Maybe he explains some more in it? I have not watched it myself, so I don't know
Btw, Mark Crilley is a man
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A, I guess that's a pretty terrible mistake, sorry for the terrible assumption that he would be woman. I guess it might be because of the somewhat shoujo-manga style. But even if the youtube video would be better, that wouldn't change how this wouldn't be a very good tutorial.
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You might not find this very useful, but for those who are just starting out to draw, it helps to see just one way instead of being confused with five other ways people kiss.
Starting out to practice with the most simple way helps to make your way to drawing more complicated poses. Some people (like me) need to see things step by step. I'm sure you're capable of drawing different poses, but not everyone has reached that level. ^_^
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I guess you make a pretty valid point there.
In my opinion, if you're serious about drawing, you should first get your understanding of the how the human face looks and works before you start drawing people kissing. Because drawing kissing people is a tricky thing to do. But I guess you could say that this indeed sort of the helpful, but also kind of cheating way to get two people kissing on paper.
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mark has made other tutorials building up with such things as autonomy and how to draw various other things. He said in his video that the main point of the tutorial is to get the intersecting point correct. the whole "her top lip is showing and his bottom lip is showing but her bottom lip isn't really showing and his top lip isn't showing." he also said it was to help get the space between them right.
people will probably just use the basic lines almost like using a base but if you want to learn you'll have to watch more of his videos. >.> that's just how he is i guess.
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He may have done that, but like I said those things don't change how this tutorial doesn't seem to be a very good tutorial. I've seen others explaining the different angles in which people pose the heads and different kinds of kisses and how they are drawn together with explanations of why and how.
But all of the text in this tutorial just pretty much says "look at this curve and the relation to that other line" Those sound like instructions to copy the image.
A better tutorial for example would have explained why her eyebrow had that shape, and how different ways of drawing it would have had a certain effect on the piece.
And frankly, the space between them differs for each piece, poses and angles differ per drawing, there is no such thing as 'the right distance' between them.
Ah no you got me wrong there. I am not really interested in learning from this person. I'm just pointing out the big flaw of this tutorial, and I guess that's the whole point of critique, you try to help others learn something by telling them about your vision and experience?
And like I said before: Other videos don't change how this is not a good tutorial. And if that's the way he is, then I discourage people to try and learn something from him, at least, if they really are serious about drawing.
But most of them just want the quick tips and tricks to drawing a 'pretty' manga-picture anyway, which is a shame really. If people would really like to know about how to draw people kissing, then I suggest they go out there and play the voyeur with their sketchbooks, or watch more romance movies. Because referencing from life is the way to go.
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Well as for one Mark constantly repeats the mantra of "This is one way of drawing. I'm showing you how I like to draw it." and things such as that. I know the tutorial doesn't go into a variety of other kisses and such. I would think of this more as something like reference material. like this is just a representation of how to draw this kind of scene in a "manga style" as for the distance, your right that there is no "right distance" just like there's no right way to draw. There are wrong ways to draw though just as there could be wrong distances. this just shows one way that may look right.
I know you had no intention in learning from him. I meant 'you' as in 'someone that is viewing the tutorial with the intention to learn'. Sorry if that didn't come across correctly XP. and you have to learn from other's experience. An example of this would be "The earth orbits the sun." Most people don't go to find proof they just believe the experts.
I think that if someone is going to learn, they should learn step by step. If they are looking to learn to draw they should look at the basics before something like how to draw people kissing. But if they already have an idea of the basics but are having trouble drawing two characters kissing they may want to look for something to help. which is one of the main reasons he made this.
I agree that people will probably be using the tutorial for a quick way to draw something like this. I however disagree that referencing from life is the thing to do. because if someone wishes to draw in a style other that realistic they should probably reference something in the style they wish to draw in.
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That's another thing from the youtube videos right? because the only part here where he seems to encourage you to be original is with the hairstyles?
And if it were reference material, it would still be wrong to call this a tutorial. It's more like a walkthrough of how he drew two people kissing, and thus not a tutorial.
There are indeed distances which are wrong, but frankly I don't think he really gives a fitting solution to the problem. Since first of all it's just one way, and secondly it's wrong from my perspective too, I know I laughed pretty hard at the proportions in the 6th image or so. But I'll leave my opinion out of this for now.
I understand what point you make with finding the proof yourself, but this matter is a little bit more complicated. Since we're talking about categorizing here, and these things always seem to have blurry borders where they overlap with some other categories. The line between a walkthrough and a tutorial can be very vague, but we still try to put down guidelines to know the differences well enough. If he would decide to read the other comments I left to all of you here, then he could see my reasons for believing why it would be categorized as a walkthrough according to my definitions of walkthrough and tutorial.
Learning step by step indeed, but frankly, if they 'know the basics, but still have trouble drawing people kissing' then I would reply that that person didn't really know the basics after all.
Just like people who refuse to learn from life and just want to draw in a certain style aren't really serious about drawing in my opinion. Any good artist knows that you have to learn from reality before stylizing something. Copying someone elses style is stupid and amateuristic, do you really want to draw? Learn how things really work and what they really look like. You'll develop your own style as you go, and if you've developed some real skill, then it shouldn't be too hard to recognise how someone elses style works, and how to reproduce it.
So no, this isn't a real tutorial, and it certainly isn't fitting for those who really are serious about art.
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Wikipedia defines a tutorial as "one method of transferring knowledge and may be used as a part of a learning process." This is one method of transferring his knowledge of this one way of drawing two manga characters kissing. It also may be used as part of a learning process.
Google defines a tutorial as "An account or explanation of a subject, printed or on a computer screen, intended for private study" this is an explanation of one way to draw two manga characters kissing. It is obviously on a computer screen and also in intended for private study.
so by those two definitions it is a tutorial. I do however see how this could easily be called a walk-through as well though.
By basics I mean enough to position a character's body in a variety of positions. However quite a few people have problems drawing certain things like hands is a big one. I also know a few people that have trouble changing a profile of a character into someone kissing because they don't know exactly what to show with the lips.
well by the idea that you should learn everything from reality first and the rest will come. Then tutorials aren't really necessary anyway. Since all the "good artists" will be learning from a blank slate and all the "stupid and amateuristic" artists will be learning from people that have already made the same mistakes and wish to help the new generation.
so by definition this is a tutorial and can also be called a walk-through. and people who are serious about art should be learning from real life anyway.
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According to those definitions it would indeed be a tutorial. But it's a tutorial of "How to draw this picture of two people kissing", not "How to draw people kissing".
I do have to admit that I generally don't use the term 'basics' a lot in drawing. I guess what I assume when talking about the word, is that the person having learned these 'basics' had knowledge of different proportions and an understanding of how things look while rotating them in a 3D space. This can be interpreted in multiple ways however, since someone might argue that 'an understanding' equals that of an expert. So I'm afraid I can't argue with you there.
The way you speak about your friends and them having trouble with determining this 'problem' would suggest that this is the only way to draw people kissing. I know that's not the way you meant it, but I do understand that this angle and pose are the ones all of your friends seem to desire when drawing two kissing characters. I guess I already saw this coming. I can't blame, them, drawing kissing people is very tricky, and this kind of way to draw them is by far the easiest. "What to show with the lips" still differs per kiss and per style, but this looks like the correct way to draw it to many, but it's also still very specific to this certain kind of picture. So in a way they have a specific problem with drawing this specific kind of picture. And not with "drawing two people kissing" in general.
I never said that good artists learn from the blank slate. Of course it's good to make some mistakes yourself some time, but tutorials can be very helpful by drawing your attention towards certain things which are often misunderstood. I also apologize for using "stupid and amateuristic" so loosely like that in my previous comment. I had no right to offend anyone that way. But one should know that tutorials aren't enough to help you understand a subject just like that. So what I'm saying is that the good artist knows how to use tutorials, what they're worth and what would make a good and a bad tutorial.
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I would say it's more of "how to draw this position and style of two people kissing." and I think I get the point that our thoughts are disconnected. I think that the tutorial "How to draw people kissing" is okay because in the end one would know hoe to draw people kissing. I also think that you think if it said "How to draw people kissing" you would think that you should be able to use the knowledge from it in any situation when you would need to draw people kissing. >.> or not exactly that but you want to have a larger knowledge of the subject than something so narrow. If that's right then it's just a difference in personal expectation.
I agree "basics" is something that's variable.
I said that just because I have a few friends that try to draw in the manga style and in this specific position. I would think it's because it shows both character's faces equally or maybe it's because they've seen this position used quite a bit. They normally don't look for further than this position so in a way they don't look for a general understanding of "two people kissing"
Tutorials are definitely not enough to learn how to draw.
the main point I'm trying to get across I guess is if someone is trying to learn how to draw in the manga style might find that this tutorial is useful so for them this would be a good tutorial because it would be useful to them.
>.> I also think the terms "good" and "bad" are very relative terms.
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Well done. Always great to have instruction from such an excellent artist, and it's very clear and concise.
Thanks for this one!
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I'm sorry Mark, but perhaps you should study anatomy a little bit more. It seems like your eyes aren't well trained to see mistakes, because I see that in most of your tutorials/drawings there are a lot of mistakes (that are easy to fix!), stuff like perspective or placement of features... On this drawing for example, the head shape is REALLY awkard and the guy has two angles going on on his face =/
Sorry again, I don't mean to be rude...
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Thank god I'm not the only one... I'm not saying he is bad, I just think he should be careful with these HUGE mistakes that could lead other people to do the same, because people seem to trust him a lot =/
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Actully my dear in most anime and manga, the anatomy is really stylized, and this is mostly how kisses in anime/manga are drawn in his lates series bodys ghost his anatomy is mostly almost spot on, but in this stylized style it's really cut down and the perspective is fine in this drawing.
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I'm just comparing his older work with this and seeing the same mistakes, style has nothing to do with it... And even if it's about style, he shouldn't use a stylized way to teach, especially in a line-by-line tutorial.
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Actully my dear it you compare his older work to his newer work you would actully see how far his work has come. and he doesn't always teach in a stylized style, he does have more how to draw realistic manga characters, but most pepole do draw manga in a stylized style so he teaches how to draw both ways hun.this is actully very helpful to alot of pepole my dear.
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Don't be so patronising, she has a valid point and her opinion counts.
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i wasn't patronising hun, i had a opinion so i siad it.
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If you don't want to sound patronising, maybe you should stop adding things like 'my dear' or 'hun' to your sentences. Otherwise, it sounds as if you're talking down to people.
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i'm not i have always called pepole sweety or hun or my dear or any other name like that, doesn't mean i'm patronising anybody, it's just something i've always done, and i'm not really going to change.
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Well, that's your decision. But then you don't be surprised when people misinterpret the way you talk to them.
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i've talked to alot of pepole calling them sweety or hun or my dear, and noone has ever had a problem with it, in fact you seem to be the only one.
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I almost didn't respond your first comment because you were talking like that, it pissed me off.
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well thats you noone else has ever had a problem with it before i was just being polite it's not my fault you took it the wrong way.
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Since there has been at least one other person to notice this (which is the comment this conversation is based on), I am in fact not the only one.
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umm hi there i'm just going around old comments to aplogize for my freind, i just wanted to say that none of these comments were written by me, my freind had gotten ahold of my password again and she left those comments, she no longer has access to my account i'm glad to say, but i just wanted to tell you that none of those comments were made by me and i'm terribaly sorry for anything she might have said to you.
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Oh, it's no problem, it was both part misunderstanding and part confusing grammar, so I didn't take it too serious. Have a nice day. ^^
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thank you
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well then you guys are the only ones, no one else has ever had a problem about it before, you guys only really have a problem on it becuase we have diffrent opionions, so if you don't like it you dont have to talk to me becuase i really dont care, if you dont like it if i call other pepole sweety or my dear or not.
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ok ok, whatever. I was talking to him anyway, he can disregard it if he wants. I was just stating my opinion like everyone else, and it happens to be a negative one.
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um hi there hun i just wanted to say that those comment that you got were not left by me, my freind had gotten ahold of my password again, she's been posing as me even going as far as to call pepole sweety or my dear or hun like i do, i'm terribaly sorry for this, and she no longer has access to my account anymore i'm glad to say, but i want you to know that those comments where not left by me, and i aplogize for anything she might have said to you.
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you can say your opinion my dear, just like i said mine it's a free contry
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THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS! 
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OMG!! I finally found your dA!! I've been watching your youtube for like over a year now, and now I can do you're tutorials!
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I sound totally creepy, but ---
I could kiss you this is sofuckinghelpfulaaahhhh. >.>
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Thank you very much for this tut! It's very helpful!
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OMG You amaze me with everything you do. BTW I love your icon X3
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=w= i rly think you need to improve your art...
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;A; i can't believe this comment exists... sorry, I was such a tard back then. Now that I look at it, it really is a good tutorial ^^
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