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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to ??? [2014-10-02 14:24:57 +0000 UTC]
Ah. Okay. Sorry, I guess I kind of assumed you were promoting conservatism / republican rhetoric.
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Archlord93 In reply to ??? [2014-10-01 15:40:44 +0000 UTC]
Luna gets away with it because she's basically a deity, so these episodes feel more like some sort of religious experience and less like a dystopian nightmare, but I think this picture is trying to make the point that it would be downright terrifying if the government had access to our dreams. It's bad enough that they read our emails.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Archlord93 [2014-10-01 16:25:55 +0000 UTC]
Google reads your emails too. And in all honesty, I trust the government more than I trust commercial corporations. After all, when a commercial corporation says "we're here to help" ... no, they aren't. They are here to make money by exploiting people.
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Archlord93 In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-02 00:13:44 +0000 UTC]
On the other hand, no one is forced to use Google. And it does help you a lot if you choose to use it, which is why everyone does.
Governments do need to exist, but they need to know their limits, which is hard since they're the ones making the laws. In my country it's estimated that each senator costs about US$ 13.5 million a year, or more than 46000 minimum wages. All that for them to sit for hours discussing whether or not to legalize marijuana, and that's when they show up to work at all.
That's probably a discussion for another forum though. This is just a cute picture of NSA Luna.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Archlord93 [2014-10-02 14:28:57 +0000 UTC]
Google needs to know their limits too, which the government needs to start enforcing. Google effectively has a monopoly on the search market, and they abuse it on a regular basis. For example, by penalizing companies who make products that compete with them by lowering their search ranking so people can't find them. That kind of stuff should be illegal for a company with the monopoly power that Google has.
I agree, that congress get paid way too much. As far as sitting around for hours discussing whether to do something, again, that's part of my issue. Our current form of government (in the United States) doesn't work because it encourages gridlock. It takes too long to get anything done and because of that, we have basically become completely stagnant and the rest of the modern world is steamrolling the United States.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to ??? [2014-10-01 10:46:49 +0000 UTC]
It's intended simply to be a joke, and it doesn't reference those two incidents, it is creating a New incident showing government intrusion is scary. It can be helpful, but it can also be used in corrupt manners, and we don't know what Luna has done other times.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-01 14:22:50 +0000 UTC]
The joke is pretty much lost given that once again, in every single case we know of that Luna has intruded, on the lives of any colts or fillies, it's been beneficial and helpful.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-02 02:02:05 +0000 UTC]
Based on the comments, it was only lost on you.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-02 20:11:38 +0000 UTC]
Most people aren't as political as I am.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-02 22:46:44 +0000 UTC]
I'm political, but I'm also not a mindless automaton, and have learned that government is the worst non profit organization ever created. I prefer freedom and liberty in all things and for all people.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-09 15:27:32 +0000 UTC]
I would argue that the church is the worst non profit organization ever created since organized religion is the biggest scam that has ever been created in the history of the world. The only reason it's legal is because it's protected by freedom of religion.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-09 22:11:14 +0000 UTC]
I don't think you are using the correct definition of the word church. The church is simply the collection of believers in Jesus Christ. Denominations are not the church, they are individual organizations of believers founded on common interpretations of the bible. If your problem is with certain Christians throughout history, or with certain acts of denominations, then you shouldn't impose that problem on the church as a whole. Those problems are the result of the fact that people, religious or not, are imperfect, selfish, and corrupt. The foundation of the church is Jesus Christ, namely his words and deeds recorded in the gospels and revelation. If you have a problem with the church, then your real problem is with at least one of the teachings of Jesus.
Moreover, freedom of religion protects much more than an individuals faith in God, but also any belief of any philosophy on life, such as your belief that organized religion is a bad thing. If not for freedom of religion and freedom of expression, then your personal views could be infringed upon.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-09 22:56:29 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I have a problem with christianity and with the bible in general. It's a terrible moral guide, considering that it teaches that it's okay to hate, and in some cases, downright kill people who are different than you.
But also, christianity is a business. Make no mistake about it. It's a business masquerading as a non-profit organization. Christianity is a busienss that brings in billions of dollars of profit every year.
Freedom of religion basically protects the right of people to be selfish bigots who think it's okay to hate others, legislate their religious beliefs on others, and tell everyone else they are on a road straight to hell despite the fact that they have absolutely no evidence at all to support their own religious beliefs.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-10 01:07:11 +0000 UTC]
If you have read the bible, namely the New Testament, you definitely misread it. How can a book that teaches to love your enemies and pray for them that persecute you be interpreted as hate?
The Only time the bible advocates killing is for capital punishment for crimes in the ancient nation of Israel, which is gone and no longer applicable, and to carry out God's wrath on certain people in the old testament who did horrendous acts. The New testament teaches that justice is good, but mercy is greater. Jesus teaches to turn the other cheek.
As for Christianity being a business, if that were true then Jesus should have been rich. He was dirt poor, and lived on the charity of others, though many people donated to him and the disciples graciously. Most of the early christians either had to keep their religion secret, or be exiled, persecuted, or martyred. They sure weren't making money from their faith. Money and the church didn't really become a concept until the Middle Ages when corrupt bishops and popes used their power to obtain land and wealth, because of The establishment of the Holy Roman Empire. Even so, that only applies to the Roman Catholic church.
I can tell you how the finances in my church are paid out, and almost all the money coming in goes to renting The space we use at a movie theatre each Sunday, and to various social ministries throughout our town. Almost every position is voluntary. There are certainly churches run like businesses like televangelists, but I could say the same of many charities, the American Red Cross and United Way being two of the most corrupt in terms of how Mich money they make.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-10 15:58:33 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I have read the bible. "Horrendous" acts you call them? "Horrendous?" Here's just a short list of the so-called "horrendous" acts that the god of your bible commands capital punishment for:
- Anyone who does any work on a Saturday must be stoned to death. (Exodus 31:15, Numbers 15:36)
- Any child who dishonors their parents must be stoned to death. (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18)
- A woman who is raped, but does not cry out, must be stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)
- A woman who is found not to be a virgin on her wedding day must be stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
- Anyone who worships any other gods must be stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5-10, Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
- Anyone who says a curse word must be stoned to death. (Leviticus 24:16)
- Anyone who touches Mt. Sinai must be stoned to death. (Exodus 19:13)
- All homosexuals must be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:13)
Those are just some of the so called "horrendous" acts the god of your bible demands capital punishment for.
I refuse to accept the idea that a child dishonoring their parents is such a horrendous act that the child should be stoned for it, for example. That's not justice. That's flat out murder of a child. Plain and simple.
Yes, I know what the new testament says, and I know what Jesus says. However, that doesn't excuse, or justify what the old testament says. It does not excuse or justify the fact that in the old testament, the god of your bible promoted murdering children, homosexuals, people of other religions, people who work on Saturday, women who aren't virgins, and women who get raped. I'm sorry, but I for one, want nothing at all to do with any god who ever prescribed capital punishment for things like that. I don't care what Jesus says. The christian god's past is simply too horrific for me to ever accept him or want anything to do with him.
As far as christianity being a business, it is. Christian book sales, seminars, and so on, bring in literally billions of dollars a year. Mega-church pastors are making millions of dollars a year and living in mansions. So no, none of this only applies to the roman catholic church. It applies just as much to protestant churches today.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-10 21:29:19 +0000 UTC]
You overlooked the fact that I said the ancient nation of Israel had those laws. Those laws were not intended for the whole world, only for the people of Israel as a means of setting them apart from the world. The law was supposed to be extremely burdensome, so when the rest of the world would look upon the nation of Israel they might inquire why they have set themselves apart with such a heavy burden, and the Israelites were supposed to in turn explain it was to honor God for saving them from the Egyptians. The Israelites volunteered to take on this burden in Exodus 19, though they failed to keep their covenant, and at times hardly followed the law at all. This is why God took away their inheritance, scattered them across the world, and destroyed Jerusalem.
Also, almost every mosaic law was in contrast to existing practices of the nations around Israe to better make a contrast between his chosen people and the rest of the world. Additionally, the laws were mostly written not to be followed, but for judgments and rulings. For example, the rape laws were to help judges determine if their was sufficient evidence to define the crime as rape, and to prevent women from making false accusations. Inevitably, some victims would not be able to see justice because of the wording of the law, but no law can completely guarantee every criminal is convicted, and every innocent person is freed, because people lie. In the case of the child stoning law, it would only have been referenced if a child was killed by their parents that way. They would be brought before a judge, and at least two witnesses would have to testify of the disrespect of the child. Even with such testimony, the judge could rule the child had not been in violation of the law, and then the parents probably would have been publicly stoned for murder. The laws are meant to be used in hindsight, just as we use the law today. You're problem like many modern readers is that you read the ancient laws as if they were written like laws for today, except they were written in regard to the culture of the people around them, and with the assumption that judges would decide whether a person was guilty. Those judges were supposed to make use of both justice and mercy, punishment and compassion, etc.
Once again regarding business, you make the mistake of using the faults of specific churches as provocation to condemn Christianity as a whole. Just because a person fails to practice what they preach does not mean that which is preached condones their actions. In the modern world, we claim that voting and elections are good things, but by your logic I could claim they are not, because even countries that elect still have leaders who are corrupt, cruel, and evil. The fault lies not in voting, but in the people who vote, so it is with the church. The problem is not the church, but individuals in the church. This is true for every organization.
There is only one true argument against any belief and that is a lack of faith. You have no faith, trust, or love for God, so you reject him. The same applies to why most people in the western world reject Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Urology, etc.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-10 22:56:33 +0000 UTC]
No, I didn't overlook the fact that you said the ancient Nation of Israel had those laws. The bottom line is that I don't care who had those laws. The fact is, according to your bible, your god made those laws. In my mind, that makes your god a sociopathic murderer who thinks it's okay to kill children and kill women for the "crime" of getting raped. Sorry, but it does.
Also, I hate to be the one to tell you, but the Israelites were never slaves in Egypt. It's been 100% disproven by modern archeology. The biblical claim that they were slaves in Egypt is just flat out wrong. Sorry, but it just is.
Your next paragraph flat out denies what the bible clearly states (it's also word soup that makes basically no sense). Furthermore, it's misogynistic. You are effectively blaming women for the fact that there had to be a law saying it was okay to stone women to death for the crime of being raped. That's disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm sorry, but again your bible CLEARLY states that any child who dishonors their mother or father should be stoned to death. No amount of trying to spin that on your part is going to change the fact that your god specifically ordered his followers to murder children for petty crimes.
The main reason I condemn christianity as a whole has nothing to do with business. The main reason I condemn christianity as a whole is because it's a religion based on one of the most racist, sexist, and hateful books ever written. Again, no amount of spinning on your part is going to change the fact that the old testament is racist, sexist, homophobic, and basically advocates murder of children, women who are raped, people who believe in other gods, homosexuals, and so on. (Also, I don't believe that voting and elections are good things. But that's a different topic for another time.)
My lack of faith is based completely in the fact that I think your god is an awful being. He's a being who committed genocide on more than one occasion in the old testament, he's a being who commanded his followers to murder children. You are right, I have no faith, trust, or love for your god, and I reject him. But the reasons are because of what I stated previously.
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Pink--Champagne In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-11 01:08:03 +0000 UTC]
Well, I hope someone's story of grace will touch your life.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Pink--Champagne [2014-10-11 01:20:31 +0000 UTC]
I was raised christian. I spent 20 years as a christian. Leaving christianity was the best decision I ever made. And there is no way I am ever going back to it.
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Sandwich-Anomaly In reply to ??? [2014-09-11 14:22:34 +0000 UTC]
just like the NSA...
do you hear that guys... i know your reading this. you read everything...
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Mickeymouseisgay In reply to Sandwich-Anomaly [2014-09-17 04:01:24 +0000 UTC]
The government is so paranoid they can't even trust their own citizens with out drugging them out of there minds
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Sandwich-Anomaly [2014-09-11 16:19:23 +0000 UTC]
Except Luna actually did help. She helped both Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle. The problem in the United States isn't government interference. It's that our government is full of the wrong people. It's full of politicians and lawyers instead of people who actually know what they are doing.
Smaller government isn't the answer. Replacing incompetent politicians with people who actually know what they are doing is the answer. And no, that's not a partisan argument. The politicians on both sides of the isle are equally incompetent.
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MediumSizeTex In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-02 06:58:56 +0000 UTC]
I'd say the Democrats are much more incompetent than the Republicans-- they clearly have no idea how to work the spin machine properly, or they would own The Poor Vote-- and the Republicans are much more evil. Elections these days are like throwing a bunch of scorpions and wasps in a box and shaking it up, then putting it on your head and seeing which faction is the one that gets to spend the next two years crawling around on your face; adding loons like the Tea Baggers and Libertarians to the mix just means you get a choice between scorpions, wasps, and fire ants.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to MediumSizeTex [2014-10-02 14:23:19 +0000 UTC]
The Democrats do pretty much own the poor vote, except among poor white southern rednecks. And the reason they don't own that vote is because that demographic is convinced that the Democrats want to take their guns, shut down their churches, and throw them in jail for reading the bible.
But I wouldn't say the Democrats are more incompetent than the Republicans. After all, keep in mind it was the last Republican president that nearly crashed the global economy, caused the worst recession since the great depression of the 1930's, and got us involved in two wars we can't win that have been going on for 13 years now.
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MediumSizeTex In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-03 10:30:08 +0000 UTC]
The Republicans have successfully managed to trick millions of working poor and middle class voters into supporting a platform of fascism and corporate welfare which fundamentally benefits only the super wealthy, and their propaganda empire has tricked millions of poor White people into thinking that poor Black people and poor Hispanic people are their enemies instead of wondering why they're all poor and the ones telling them to fight are all rich; I'd say they've been frightfully competent at bamboozling and boondoggling the American electorate.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to MediumSizeTex [2014-10-09 15:17:59 +0000 UTC]
They've managed to attract some of the poor and working class, yes. But the poor vote and the working class vote are still primarily democratic strongholds. After all, keep in mind that the Republican Party has made numerous attacks on the poor in the last several years, including:
* Cutting welfare and food stamp benefits.
* Cuts to Head Start and other programs that primarily benefit poor people.
* Several attempts to strip unions of some of their power.
* Reducing unemployment benefits.
* More than 40 attempts to repeal the health care act.
So if the republicans are trying to gain the support of the poor, they aren't doing a very good job of it.
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MediumSizeTex In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-10-10 05:50:24 +0000 UTC]
It really would be great if more po' folk actually voted in their own best interests, but it constantly horrifies me just how many of us drink the FOX "News" kool-aid without questioning it. The Republican Party is absolutely and undeniably the party of the super wealthy.
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to MediumSizeTex [2014-10-10 16:14:20 +0000 UTC]
I agree, the republican party is definitely the party of the super wealthy (and the religious right-wingers).
The good news is that liberalism and socialism are on the rise among younger people in the country, particularly college students. The bad news is that young people are also the least likely to participate in elections. Until that changes, I suspect the republican party will still be able to maintain a significant amount of power. People are finally waking up to the fact that no, the United States is NOT the greatest country in the world, and has not been for a long time now. There are more progressive socialist nations in Europe such as Denmark where people are happier, have better access to health care, are living longer, crime is lower, and unemployment is lower.
Last year, I had hoped the republican party was going to split because of the internal conflict between mainstream republicans and teabag candidates. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. If it had split into two parties, it probably would have made sure no republican ever won another election because their vote would be split between mainstream republicans, and teabag candidates.
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Mickeymouseisgay In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-09-13 19:18:08 +0000 UTC]
I think that's what tex was going for
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MoonriseUnicorn In reply to Mickeymouseisgay [2014-09-13 19:50:27 +0000 UTC]
Maybe. But typically "I'm from the government. I'm here to help" is an argument made by people who basically don't want the government involved in their lives at all. They don't want to fix the government. They just want the government out of their lives.
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Mickeymouseisgay In reply to MoonriseUnicorn [2014-09-17 04:02:17 +0000 UTC]
I gotta give that one to ya
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waraiigoe In reply to ??? [2014-09-11 08:40:32 +0000 UTC]
xD
I think you needa take it down a notch, Luna. Young Scoots probably has a second nightmare now.
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bbasco2 In reply to ??? [2014-09-06 01:35:41 +0000 UTC]
"Be wary of strong drink. It can cause you to shoot at tax collectors. And miss."
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Maran-Zelde In reply to ??? [2014-09-05 03:45:56 +0000 UTC]
: No thanks, I have all the government I need.
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