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Assalaamu alaikum [Peace be to you],Imagine if I call the American people Washingtonians. for example, "I met a Washingtonian yesterday". or "the Washingtonian president went to Europe". or "I have many Washingtonian friends"...
that sounds silly, no? it looks like they are followers of George Washington...
Americans already have a word to describe them. there is no need to invent a new one for that. right?
Same with Muslims...
According to Islamic belief, the Prophet Mohammed was the last Messenger of God. He, like all of God's prophets and messengers - such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, John the baptist and Jesus -peace be upon them all- was only a human being. But many Christians came to the mistaken assumption that Muslims worship Mohammed by formulating an incorrect analogy - the Christians worship Jesus so Muslims must be worshipping Mohammed. This is one of the reasons that they called Muslims by the incorrect name "Mohammedans" for so many years! what helped spread this misconception in the west is the writings of many Western historians and religious scholars who authored a number of books about Islam, Muslims and the Middle east in the past centuries...
Muslims strongly dislike the word Mohammedanism and insist on the word Islam. It's true that Muslims revere Mohammed -peace be upon him- as a glorious Prophet but they insist on making clear that he is not a god and does not deserve to have their religion named for him. They feel that Islam is the only correct name chosen by the God for the right path he decided for mankind. The Arabic word "Islam" means total submission to the will of the God. the word "Muslim" means he who submits to the will of the God. more on the meaning of the word Islam can be found in the description here:
Mohammed -peace be upon him-, like Jesus -peace be upon him-, never claimed divine status. He called people to worship only the Almighty God, and he continually emphasized his humanity so that people would not fall into the same errors as the nations who came before and took humans as partners in worship with the Almighty God. In order to prevent his deification, the Prophet Mohammed always said to refer to him as "the Messenger of God and His servant".
Muslims strive to follow the great example of Mohammed -peace be upon him-, but they do not worship him in any way.
Additionally, Islam teaches Muslims to respect all of God's prophets and messengers - but respecting and loving them does not mean worshipping them. All true Muslims realize that all worship and prayer must be directed to Almighty God alone. Suffice it to say that worshipping Mohammed or anyone else along with Almighty God is called shirk and considered to be the worst sin in Islam. Even if a person claims to be Muslim, but they worship and pray to other than Almighty God, this cancels and nullifies their Islam. The Declaration of Faith of Islam (said when someone converts to Islam) makes it clear that Muslims are taught only to worship God. This declaration is as follows: "There is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God, and Mohammed is the Messenger and Servant of God".
The words "Mohammedan" and "Mohammedanism" reflect total ignorance of the meaning of the words Islam, Muslim, and the Message of the prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him-. if you are a non-Muslim and you want to refer to Islam and Muslims, don't fall in the mistake of using wrong terminology.
from [link]
I hope that's beneficial...
Wassalaamu alaikum
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Comments: 103
StillDeciding In reply to ??? [2016-01-05 14:13:59 +0000 UTC]
Actually, "Islam" is the correct term for the religion. "Islamism" is the political ideology that uses Islam as its base, especially political-Islamic terrorists - so they are very distinct things.Â
A "mohammedan" is synonymous with "Muslim" (both terms are meant to refer to a follower of Islam) but mohammedan is considered derogatory because, as Nayzak said, it is a term based on the assumption that followers of Islam worship Muhammad, which is incorrect.Â
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8Nephila8 [2013-09-16 13:32:30 +0000 UTC]
I have never heard that word "Mohammedan" It sounds like something a school child would make up. lol XD Oh the names people call others.  Â
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Itsukiart [2013-05-23 11:09:55 +0000 UTC]
I call muslims rag heads, and my opinion from them is. they are all crazy fanatic idiots killing each other or americans. further from here than better.
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Khadijah-maryam In reply to Itsukiart [2014-04-30 14:32:26 +0000 UTC]
That is evil, may god guide you...
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Nayzak In reply to Itsukiart [2013-05-23 12:52:35 +0000 UTC]
this comment has to remain in order to show to people how sick and racist you are.
may the God guide you and correct your thinking and remove hate from your heart.
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Mistrique In reply to Nayzak [2013-07-23 13:40:06 +0000 UTC]
not to criticize. but how is that comment racist? Islam is a universal religion that transcends race. when you insult islam you do not insult a specific race of people.
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thetravelingbard [2013-03-18 05:02:54 +0000 UTC]
Hey there, I was wondering if you were willing to answer a question for me? I like learning about different religions and I ask questions of people whenever I can. I am doing a bit of research and I was wondering if you would be willing to give me your opinion on this question I had. But before I ask let me just be clear. I'm not asking this to start some kind of religious fight or debate, I merely want to satisfy my own curiosity. A simple Q and A.
The question I wanted to ask was about your comment. <<"Mohammed -peace be upon him-, like Jesus -peace be upon him-, never claimed divine status.">>
Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but I was curious as to what Muslims believe about this. Your comment indicated that you believe that neither Mohammed nor Jesus claimed to be divine. Or did I misunderstand and you only meant Mohammed?
In the Bible Jesus regularly calls himself the Son of God. For example, when he was on trial just before his crucifixion.
Matthew Chapter 26:62-66. (Chapter 26, verses 62 to verse 66. This quote is taken from, "The Living Bible".)
<<<<<" ...Then the High Priest said to him, " I demand in the name of the living God that you tell us whether you claim to be the Messiah, the Son of God."
"Yes," Jesus said, " I am. And in the future you will see me, the Messiah, sitting on the right hand of God and returning on the clouds of heaven."
Then the High priest tore at his own clothing shouting, " Blasphemy! What need have we for other witnesses? You have all heard him say it! What is your verdict?" >>>>>
This is just one example among many others where Jesus himself claims to be the Son of God.
Does the Muslim Koran describe a different series of events? Again, I ask this only out of curiosity since I have never read the Koran myself and I haven't met many Muslims. Or does the Koran agree with these events? Do the Muslims have different religious books that they use, or only one?
Thanks for your time. I enjoy your artwork by the way, its very well done.
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King-of-Not [2012-10-09 05:04:38 +0000 UTC]
I remember early on when I was a wee laddy, a discussion where a man from an Asian country was referred to as such... "An Oriental"...
He was a bit taken by this and said "I am Thai! Should I call you a person of the Americas?"
And the people he was talking to, yes Americans, said "Well, we ARE people of the Americas..." and an old gent said "Chinamen is Chinamen..."
Personally I'm making a lot of "Pulp" type stories set in different time periods. The problem is, until very, very recently Muslims were called "Mohammedan" just as the correct term. While I'm rabidly "Anti-PC" if it comes up I'll try to fit in the Muslim being able to politely correct the term.
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Mloun [2012-08-05 23:43:19 +0000 UTC]
The only time I hear the word "Mohammedan" is in old books...
Actually I read it one time, in French "Mohametan" and I though it was a sect or a specific group of Muslims who were inspired more by hadith and suna than other Muslims were...
Yep, this word sure was confusing...
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TheRealMaestro [2012-07-09 03:58:57 +0000 UTC]
Buddhists don't believe the Buddha was a god, Confucianists don't believe Confucius was a god. Just because the name of a belief system consists of a person's name followed by "-ism" doesn't mean the belief system involves believing that person was a god. Christians believe that Moses, Elijah, &c were prophets, but their name refers to Jesus the "Christ". They don't ignore the speakings of previous prophets: how many Christians do you know that believe the Ten Commandments don't apply because Jesus came along? Your argument is, quite frankly (no offence intended), invalid.
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Nayzak In reply to TheRealMaestro [2012-07-09 05:31:43 +0000 UTC]
Buddhists don't believe the Buddha was a god, Confucianists don't believe Confucius was a god.
I saw Buddhists lighting incense and praying to Buddha and asking him things.
a god is anything that people believe it helps them and gives them what they ask for. therefore, those who pray to Buddha ARE considering him their god. you may not want to accept it. so I suggest you check what 'a god' is.
how many Christians do you know that believe the Ten Commandments don't apply because Jesus came along?
you better ask the Christians about this.
Your argument is, quite frankly (no offence intended), invalid.
You seem to have missed my whole argument. my argument here is that Muslims are not Mohammedans.
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TheRealMaestro In reply to Nayzak [2012-07-09 13:20:01 +0000 UTC]
I'm just going to discard the Buddhism analogy because it may or may not be flawed. Regardless, I presented other examples (like Confucianism), so my point still remains. Just because the name of any belief system begins with someone's name and ends with "-ism" doesn't necessarily mean part of the belief system is worshiping that someone. Islam is based upon the teaching of Muhammad in the Qur'an, so there is no reason why Islam shouldn't be called Muhammadism, and Muslims Muhammadans.
(And with the question on Christians and the Ten Commandments, I'd like to say that at least here in America, there are no Christians who think since Jesus came, the Ten Commandments don't apply.)
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Nayzak In reply to TheRealMaestro [2012-07-09 16:53:33 +0000 UTC]
Islam is based upon the teaching of Muhammad in the Qur'an, so there is no reason why Islam shouldn't be called Muhammadism, and Muslims Muhammadans.
Well, THERE ARE MANY REASONS:
first, Islam already has a name. it's not waiting for anyone to name it as they wish.
second, we already have a label that represents us. We are called Muslims. the word Mohammedans does not represent us. we don't like it, we don't accept it, we see it offensive and we don't respect anyone who uses it to address us.
I believe these are ENOUGH reasons for anyone NOT to use these words.
if, in spite of all these reasons, you want to use it, then know that for us, you are talking about somebody else. if your aim is to look ignorant and disrespectful, you can use that word. the choice is yours.
I'd like to say that at least here in America, there are no Christians who think since Jesus came, the Ten Commandments don't apply.
In the Christian Bible, Jesus is reported to have said:"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
Jesus followed the law until the last day of his earthly ministry. therefore, the true followers of Jesus are those who follow the law and the commandments, just like he did.
besides, he also said "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Jesus -peace be upon him- still didn't return to accomplish what he has to accomplish, so the law is never destroyed.
peace
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Nayzak In reply to TheRealMaestro [2012-07-09 17:57:48 +0000 UTC]
this comment is to be flagged as spam.
reason: use of a vulgar word.
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TheRealMaestro In reply to Nayzak [2012-07-09 18:28:03 +0000 UTC]
Okay, I can only think of two possible "vulgar" words that I have used, because I know that you don't like "swear words" so did my best to refrain from them. The first word is "Mohammedan", which is sort of the whole thing we're discussing. The second word is "anus", but the whole point was that "disgust" isn't an intrinsic quality of the orifice from which the waste products of digestion are expelled. I don't recall swearing at all in my post. If it was one of those two, I fear the point was completely lost over you, and if it wasn't, please tell me what word it was (in a PM if you wish). Thank you.
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Nayzak In reply to TheRealMaestro [2012-07-10 00:51:46 +0000 UTC]
this is what I said earlier:
"the word Mohammedans does not represent us. we don't like it, we don't accept it, we see it offensive and we don't respect anyone who uses it to address us."
sir, by calling me using a word I already stated that I find offensive, you are being disrespectful to me in my own page and you are making me disrespect you for your insolence.
when you plan to establish peaceful fruitful discussions (like what you claim) you should refrain from calling people with words they dislike. if you choose to ignore this, then complain not when I hide your undesired comments.
peace
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GTFOwl [2012-02-07 23:30:11 +0000 UTC]
Calling a person a "Washingtonian" does make sense, however, if that person is from the state of Washington.
Mohammedan is an archaic term, similar to Mussulman. The latter term was used in the Treaty of Tripoli, which was first signed in 1796.
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Itchy-Bird [2012-02-04 21:57:31 +0000 UTC]
You know, I can't believe people still use that term, Mohammedan. I'm pretty sure it might have ended somewhere in the 20th century, but really?
It's like calling the Arabs "Saracen" or Christian Friendship members "Quakers".
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Marahuta [2012-02-04 09:03:58 +0000 UTC]
True, I've heard that term before. Christians aren't named after Jesus either.
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Nayzak In reply to Marahuta [2012-02-04 11:26:50 +0000 UTC]
then what are they named after?
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Marahuta In reply to Nayzak [2012-02-04 14:53:36 +0000 UTC]
"Christ" comes from the Greek word "hristos"(ΧĪΚĪĪĪĪ) which means "anointed". It is the equivalent of the word "moshiach", or Messiah, in Hebrew.
So basically when you are saying "Jesus Christ" you are saying "Jesus the anointed/the Messiah". It's just been mistaken as his second name. You can sind more details here [link] The word Christian means the follower of the anointed/the Messiah. We follow his example and try to live like him.
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Nayzak In reply to Marahuta [2012-02-04 19:08:38 +0000 UTC]
I know all this. but Christians are called Christians after the Christ. but not any Christ. only Jesus the Christ -peace be upon him-. so what did you mean when you said "Christians aren't named after Jesus either"?
do you mean they were named after 'something else'?
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Marahuta In reply to Nayzak [2012-02-04 19:41:54 +0000 UTC]
the term Christ throughout history hasn't been used only for Christ. It was a common term (usually for kings) in the past. If we were to be named after Jesus we would be called Jesians, or something like that. But we are called followers of The Son of God. Since in Christianity Jesus is The Son (part of God on earth) we are technically followers of The Son/God which through his example will find Fhe Father.
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Nayzak In reply to Marahuta [2012-02-04 19:52:53 +0000 UTC]
But we are called followers of The Son of God
let's use some logic:
- the word "Christian" comes from the word "Christ"
- and, according to you, Christians are called followers of the son of god.
- so "Christ" should mean "the son of god".
but just now, you said "Christ" means "anointed" and there were many christs throughout history.
you are not making sense. you just want to push "the son of god" in the middle.
I say, Christians are named after the Christ Jesus. and this is what I read in all Christian articles. and Christ doesn't mean "son of god". so the word "Christian" doesn't mean "the follower of the son of god", but it simply means "the follower of the Christ", just like Buddhist means the follower of Buddha.
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Marahuta In reply to Nayzak [2012-02-05 08:27:00 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, but in Christianity Jesus isn't any simple man. In Christianity Jesus is God on earth. So we are the followers of Jesus who is God (on earth). Christ doesn't mean Son of God. When we say Christ we are refering to Jesus. So since we are the followers of the anointed/the Messiah, we are at the same time followers of the Son of God. You can't sompare it with Buddha because Buddha is a man, Jesus is God. You need to understand the Trinity here.(or it could just be me doing a really bad job explaining things)
I didn't say there were Christians in the past. I said the term "Christ" had been used in the past usually for kings (kings were thought to have been chosen/anointed by God). But that term has been completely forgoten and now when we say Christ we meen Jesus.
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Nayzak In reply to Marahuta [2012-02-05 10:40:34 +0000 UTC]
I don't know what's your point. Christians are named after the Christ Jesus (it doesn't matter what he was) just like Buddhists are named after Buddha (it doesn't matter what he was). if you don't want to be named after the Christ, then you should choose another name for your religion.
correction: Jesus -peace be upon him- is not god. he was a man. son of a woman. he submitted to the will of the God like any Muslim does.
but you are free to believe he was god if you like. this doesn't change anything anyway...
peace be to you.
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Marahuta In reply to Nayzak [2012-02-05 19:24:00 +0000 UTC]
well. I do have problems explaining things to others.
I believe Jesus is God. He said it. And I believe he was crucified.
Anyway. Your religion, my religion.
God bless.
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mumtiTV [2012-02-03 01:55:40 +0000 UTC]
Assalamu Alaykum, I like your art such as this one. Based on your profile/long journal , it appears you would not mind if someone uses your art in non-commercial projects?
I am looking for simple drawings to use like I tried to put together here [link]
I need boys (young man) with Muslim clothing (Indonesian, Malaysian and/or Middle-Eastern) If you can point me in the right direction please do so I will certainly post all the credits to authors/contributors.
Regarding my "collage" shown in the album, perhaps I should even remove the photo with the pointing fingers and replace with cartoonish like drawing, what do you think?
I am not an artist however if you have basic sketches in AI, Fireworks (I can handle psd if in layers) I probably could do some basic editing, like remove eyes [] , background to produce some transparent PNG files.
If you decide to upload something for me here is a link for uploading
[link]
The following drawing is are good examples...
[link]
[link]
[link]
I need about 3..4 variations of a Boy and the same for a girl.
All mumti productions are free inside [link] for the children of the world, "The Ignored Majority"
In case you can't install Microsoft Silverlight on PC/Mac in order to try out mumti.com you can experience this particular slides set here on an older player (requires flash) [link]
Thank you for any input, suggestions comments.
BTW, I just joined DeviantArt so if you know of other artists who specialize in "conservative" Islamic art, please point me.
I am looking for characters portraying positive attitudes no anger, defiance, etc.. I see all over the place.
So characters for Muslim girls, boys, father/mother, grandparents in different context/postures/activities (sleeping, eating, studying are much welcomed.
Jazaakum Allahu Khayran!!!
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Nayzak In reply to mumtiTV [2012-02-03 02:06:59 +0000 UTC]
the group Muslim Manga may be helpful. you'll find many Muslim artists there.
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mumtiTV In reply to Nayzak [2012-02-03 04:04:26 +0000 UTC]
Before I forget Jazaakum Allahu Khayran.
I will go and check it out.
I am looking for quick derivations I can hack with my "Adobe" skills. IOW, eady2use or close is what I am after, as I have a huge load running the whole show almost alone.
-) web-app development (Silverlight C#/VB, JS, C#, ASP.NET)
-) content building (graphics, voice recording, ..)
-) marketing
If you have children check out the Arabic / Stories section, perhaps one day if I manage to get funding I will hire your services, ISA for putting together interactive stories.
If you can't do Silverlight (like running linux ,
Here is in flash
[link]
This is in Silverlight outside of mumti.com
[link]
Use browsers like chrome or firefox or safari. I can't guarantee the ziballa from Microsoft like Internet Explorer.
Hope you like this one concept out of many inside mumti.com
Salam!
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RAIN-s [2012-02-01 17:58:08 +0000 UTC]
thank you brother Nayzak..... wonderful art wonderful message
you clarified it well
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Eric-Neo-Matrix [2012-01-31 03:35:18 +0000 UTC]
I thought "Mohammedan" was just an old name for Muslims (like, 19th century-old). Didn't think people still used the term.
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YNot1989 [2012-01-15 21:20:16 +0000 UTC]
I've never heard that term before in my life. (Mohammedan, I am a Washingtonian actually )
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ooopslucky [2012-01-15 05:19:17 +0000 UTC]
I fully understand where you are coming from, however as a muslim myself, if I say I follow Rasoolallah Salallahu Alaihi Wassalam (peace be upon him), it is saying im following Islam, not that I worship him and do shirk by placing him, Astagfirullah, on the same level as Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. However, your point about non muslims, perception of this, is fully correct, and I support you on this basis. =]
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Fifianna [2012-01-11 17:54:38 +0000 UTC]
Asalamu Alaikum!
Oh I never knew about this! Mohammedan they call? really?
thank you so much for explaining it brother Nayzak! so useful info!
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CyprusBeetle [2012-01-10 17:37:58 +0000 UTC]
Ive noticed this word lately around the internet, its been getting on my nerves, hah...
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Steamrider86 [2012-01-10 05:06:11 +0000 UTC]
Yes of course. But in this age, Americans will assume that that Muslims Idolize the prophet (peace be upon him) as if he was untouchable. This is a common problem as people relied on limited information from the internet, or failure to understand what is Islam (or a Muslim, or Muhammad, etc). Its the same ridiculous assertion that the cresent moon = Islam, which is blantly false.
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karkooz [2012-01-10 01:37:30 +0000 UTC]
I agree with what you said, although I have not seen the term Mohammedanism used much. I have the impression that only old writings use this term.
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Yukiko-berrie [2012-01-09 22:31:23 +0000 UTC]
Loved it, I've never came across a person with that saying XD. I think people forget that we Muslims hold all the prophets in high regard and respect all of them for their teachings.
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kageko [2012-01-09 20:30:30 +0000 UTC]
I've started calling moslems muselmen. I never called them mohammedans cause it's too long to say. Especially when calling a woman in my native tongue. It would have six syllables.
Mohammedan does NOT reflect ignorance but knowlegde since moslems follow Mohammed's teachings about islam. Whatever a moslem does, you told it yourself, he tries to do what mohammed would have done. Not jesus, not anyone else. he follows teachings of islam written down in the quran which was dictated by Mohammed. you even have books ABOUT Mohammed. every day thousands of imams spend hours of thinking and discussing about the quran and about writings that mention mohammed.
When a moslem talks he usually quotes Mohammed, the LAST prophet of god... neither jesus, nor abraham, nor moses, nor anyone else.
What does the word "moslem" mean? Are Christians and jews moslems, too, because they bow to god? Or is their god different from Allah?
Christians follow jesus christ's teachings about worshipping god. A jew does not worship a god called Jehuda.
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Nayzak In reply to kageko [2012-01-09 22:35:38 +0000 UTC]
What does the word "moslem" mean? Are Christians and jews moslems, too, because they bow to god? Or is their god different from Allah?
A Muslim, by definition, is the one who submits to the will of the God and follows Islam.
Islam is a religion of total submission to the will of the God.
we believe that the first man, Adam -peace be upon him-, was a Muslim. and all the prophets of the God: Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed -peace be upon them- and many others, all taught the same message: Islam.
every time the message was corrupted, the God would send a new prophet until he sent the last prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him-. and since he was the last and no more prophets would come after him, God preserved the message of Islam.
now, regarding your question, the true followers of Moses -peace be upon him- and the true followers of Jesus -peace be upon him- are indeed Muslims. but those who follow a corrupted message are not. for example, Jesus -peace be upon him- was not god, or son of God. if someone worships Jesus, then he can't be considered a Muslim. but those early followers of Jesus who worshipped the God the way Jesus taught were Muslims.
I hope this answers your question.
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kageko In reply to Nayzak [2012-01-10 07:54:52 +0000 UTC]
I think this sounds great. I am willing to learn new things. If something does not convince me, it does not necessarily mean its totally wrong. I know that billions of people live happily in the way of Islam, so it definitly is not nonsense.
But there is one thing that I have not got yet concerning the moslem/mohammedan issue. You told me that every human is born a muslim. At what point don't you constitute this child as moslem anymore if it's not raised in the way of Islam?
And if muslim means totally submitting to God I think that no Jew, no Christian can call others a muslim (when they know the meaning of the Arab word) since this word is implying that they obviously do not totally submit to God. There is no "totalierly". Each religion thinks of itself to be the only true way of worshipping God.
And last but not least, you told me that it is a sin (for moslems) to call others non-moslems except good or bad moslems. So if every follower of an Abrahamic religion is actually a moslem (be it a good or a bad one), this word is too comprehensive for just calling the followers of Mohammed's teaching moslems.
For this reason, "Mohammedan" is actually "political correct".
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Nayzak In reply to kageko [2012-01-10 09:49:19 +0000 UTC]
Alright, I reply to your questions here before I provide my answer to the Uthman issue.
But there is one thing that I have not got yet concerning the moslem/mohammedan issue. You told me that every human is born a muslim. At what point don't you constitute this child as moslem anymore if it's not raised in the way of Islam?
It's Muslim (or Moslem if you want) not Mohammedan.
Well, we believe that the God is just. so when he creates a new born baby, this baby is destined to heaven. if he dies while a baby, he will go to heaven. destined to heaven means that the belief in the monotheism of the God almighty is in the heart of the baby (not belief in Mohammed -peace be upon him-, but the God). but when he grows us, his parents, family, environment may affect his perspective and may make him into a Christian, Jews, or any other religion... or Atheist.
in Islam, 3 kinds of people are not responsible for what (wrong)they do, the child until he reaches age of understanding things, the sleeping person until he gets up, and the mad person until he gains his mind (if he does). so the Child is not accounted for his belief and actions until he reaches the age of understanding. in that time, if he was raised as a non-Muslim, the God would bring signs and hints to his life to guide him back to Islam...
And if muslim means totally submitting to God I think that no Jew, no Christian can call others a muslim (when they know the meaning of the Arab word) since this word is implying that they obviously do not totally submit to God.
You have a good point here. but you see, the Jews accepted an outside name (Judaism) that was not given by the so called founder of their religion, and the Christians also accepted an outside name (Christianity) that was not given by the founder of their religion. these two words don't appear anywhere in the Jewish or Christian scripture. while Islam appears in our scripture. it's chosen by the God to call those who follow him. when I tell Christians that Jesus -peace be upon him-, some feel offended because in the back of their mind, they think a Muslim is a person who wears the taaqiyah, grows the beard and follows Mohammed -peace be upon him-. this definition is totally false. a Muslim, by definition, is the person who submits to the God. but here, submission is not how the man wants, but how the God dictates. so not anyone can call himself a Muslim, unless he is following the true religion of the God. you may ask "how do you know that you, Muslims, are following the true religion of the God?"
this is a very good question, it's like asking "How do you prove that Islam is the true religion of God?"
but this is a big issue and in itself is a whole conversation. I'll leave it for later, in case you are interested.
Each religion thinks of itself to be the only true way of worshipping God.
I don't think this statement is fully correct. I do agree that each religious group thinks of itself to be the only true believers of the God. but to my knowledge, the Christian Bible, for example, does not state clearly that this book is from the God. it doesn't even state the name of the book. while the Qur'an does. the Qur'an makes a clear claim that it's from the God, that it's the only way and that all other religions are false. the Qur'an is the only religious book that makes such claims explicitly.
And last but not least, you told me that it is a sin (for moslems) to call others non-moslems except good or bad moslems. So if every follower of an Abrahamic religion is actually a moslem (be it a good or a bad one), this word is too comprehensive for just calling the followers of Mohammed's teaching moslems.
For this reason, "Mohammedan" is actually "political correct".
Well, yes and no. yes, a Muslim can't call another Muslim a kafir (non-believer). but you see, there are acts that if done by a Muslim, he is automatically out of Islam. for example, idolatry. any Muslim who practices Idolatry is no more a Muslim. calling him a kafir is correct. besides, not every person who claims to be follower of an Abrahamic faith is a Muslim. but followers of the true Abrahamic faith is indeed a Muslim.
in Islam, we believe that the Abrahamic faith was Islam (submission to the God). but after him, people changed the religion, so the God sent prophets to restore it. among them Moses -peace be upon him-, the followers of the true message of Moses were Muslims and they were also following the true message of Abraham. but after a long time, some people, out of ignorance or evil purpose, changed the message so the God sent Jesus -peace be upon him- and the same happened, people corrupted his message. so the God sent his final messenger Mohammed -peace be upon him- and here, the God perfected the religion that started from Abraham and ended with Mohammed -peace be upon him- and promised to preserve it. this also can be checked and proved.
calling Muslims Mohammedans is not correct. because, first, Mohammed didn't invent a new religion. he never claimed copyright of Islam. he stated clearly that he only came to restore the religion of the prophets of Old. we are not followers of Mohammed -peace be upon him- alone. we are followers of all other prophets. sadly the hadith and Sunnah of the old prophets was lost and changed with time. the only prophet whose hadith and Sunnah are still preserved is Mohammed -peace be upon him-. that's why we are following him. if someone were to bring us the true Gospel of Jesus -peace be upon him- (not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John), we would analyze it to check it's authenticity. if it's truly from Jesus, we would follow it as well.
calling us Mohammedan is not correct, even if it doesn't imply we are worshipping Mohammed -peace be upon him-. it implies that we only follow him alone and reject the other prophets. besides, we already have a name for us and our religion, we don't need a new one.
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kageko In reply to Nayzak [2012-01-10 23:19:11 +0000 UTC]
Thanks a lot for your answer. I think I keep calling moslems muslims (in English... cause I'm used to write this word). (Mohammedan is a much too long word anyway.)
Nevertheless I have to correct you: Mohammedan does not mean that someone follows the teachings of Mohammed only. But Mohammed the prophet plays an important part in Islam since he brought back the true way of worshipping God, - so the muslims believe if I haven't got it wrong.
A Christian does not either follow Jesus only... he also believes in the "Ten Commandments" and the strong faith of Job, Noah and many other Bible stories. (By the way, does the Quran include these "Ten Commandments" we know from the Bible?)
Before Gabriel paid a visit to Mohammed what was Mohammed's religion?
Of course, a founder of an ideology does not call his followers or -worse- himself an *-ist. Marx was no Marxist. Buddha was no Buddhist. Mohammed was no Mohammedan. This self-labelling would have been ridiculous.
The term Jew/Yehudi refers to Judah and means "member of the tribe of Judah". If we had not taken the word from latin, we would probably call them judaists today.
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Nayzak In reply to kageko [2012-01-10 23:42:34 +0000 UTC]
I'd like to start the issue regarding Uthman and your claim. but first, allow me to ask you a few questions to see what you know in the topic. just provide short answers based on your understanding:
1- was the whole Qur'an written in the time of prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- if you think no, then when was it written?
2- who wrote (literally) the Qur'an in the time of Uthman?
3- based on what did they write the Qur'an in the time of Uthman?
4- how many copies did Uthman make and where were they sent to (if you know)?
5- when did Uthman make these copies?
6- how many version of the Qur'an we have today?
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