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Sorry to break it to you, but while Western society might be influenced largely by Christian values, the United States is not, has never been, and never will be a "Christian nation".

But the founding fathers were Christian!

Sure. A bunch of them were Christians, but many of them were deists . But regardless of their religious beliefs, the fact of the matter is that the Constitution that they formed was deliberately secular.

But the Puritans wanted the nation to be Christian!

Neat, but they didn't found America. In fact, the Puritans migrated to America in the 1600s . The United States of America was founded as a separate nation in the late 1700s - (1776)

But we say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance! You can't explain that!

Actually, I can. The original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, by a Christian Socialist named Francis Bellamy. Here's the original Pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The words "under God" weren't actually added to the Pledge until 1954, a move that was made at the height of anti-Communist fervor in the USA as an attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets.

But - the national motto is "In God We Trust!"

In God We Trust was established as the national motto in 1956, not in 1776! Additionally, this was another example of a reaction to "godless communism," a McCarthy-era action that may violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment!

By the way - before the motto was changed in 1956, the national motto used to be "E Pluribus Unum", meaning "One from many." Isn't that a nice little saying? It was suggested in 1776 by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere, to the committee responsible for developing the Seal of the United States. Thank you to ~Kotego for the suggestion!

I still don't believe you. The US is totally a Christian nation.

If the United States Constitution isn't enough, never fear. I know that whole "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" bit in the First Amendment is too confusing, there's also the clarification that Thomas Jefferson made to the Danbury Baptists:

"Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

If even that's not enough, I'll direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli, where it states quite directly that:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the said States have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

So... guess what. The US isn't a Christian nation.

But that doesn't mean that you can't be happy to be an American. As a matter of fact, the United States Constitution, was a wonderful and ground-breaking model that more than 160 countries have used as a model for their own charters. That's pretty awesome, if you think about it.


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MermaidNinja [2022-07-30 20:02:22 +0000 UTC]

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Stardust-Artway123 [2022-05-01 08:28:58 +0000 UTC]

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LW97 [2022-03-07 20:18:51 +0000 UTC]

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Paulthored [2022-01-09 01:14:43 +0000 UTC]

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TheKnucklesMainG4 [2021-07-19 16:15:34 +0000 UTC]

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LadyClassical [2020-02-22 04:02:01 +0000 UTC]

I think Christianity might be the most popular religion here, but that doesn't make us a "Christian nation." I'm not even really sure what that means.

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SevenEyedLamb [2020-01-30 01:33:17 +0000 UTC]

That's right because a nation can't have a religion, can a nation pray and ask Jesus to live in her heart? I think not!

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rodentlover12 In reply to SevenEyedLamb [2021-03-28 00:29:49 +0000 UTC]

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kittycrumb [2019-06-29 02:16:30 +0000 UTC]

majority

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EmpathicDesign [2019-06-15 08:57:28 +0000 UTC]

Ah, the denial.

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DaBair [2019-05-28 15:06:04 +0000 UTC]

America was founded on separation of church and state. That's why we don't have an official religion.

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Kissasheep [2018-12-31 23:10:53 +0000 UTC]

USA is religionfluid

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kittycrumb In reply to Kissasheep [2019-06-29 02:16:44 +0000 UTC]

XDΒ 

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RavenHeart1984 [2018-05-22 01:37:07 +0000 UTC]

loving it

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RJDETONADOR97 [2018-03-10 14:35:31 +0000 UTC]

How is USA not christian if it was founded by protestant Christians and at sametime, most of the people are Christians?

Explain me please!

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DemonicFury5678 In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2019-09-22 23:42:44 +0000 UTC]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oa0He…

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GayWeeabooMuslim In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2018-10-28 00:40:56 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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RJDETONADOR97 In reply to GayWeeabooMuslim [2018-10-31 01:29:51 +0000 UTC]

But the question here is not if the state religion is forced or mandated, it's how USA is not religious if most of it's citizens are religious.

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PokemonSoldier In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2018-06-05 21:45:34 +0000 UTC]

Statistically, yes, it is a Christian nation. But in terms of the intentions of the founders, and in regards to any official religion, America has not, is not, nor will it ever be a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or ANY religious nation. It was meant to be a fully secular nation, but of course the McCarthy 'Red Scare' just had to force Christianity down America's throat. You literally sound like my middle aged parents.

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RJDETONADOR97 In reply to PokemonSoldier [2018-06-09 18:30:22 +0000 UTC]

I was talking about statistics, not origins... and what do you mean with "middle aged parents"?

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PokemonSoldier In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2018-06-09 19:42:33 +0000 UTC]

Born in the 1950's, grew up during the Cold War and did not fall to the counter culture movement.

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RJDETONADOR97 In reply to PokemonSoldier [2018-06-17 02:02:11 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I understand this 1950's stuff, but... I don't understand what it has to do with what I told about USA?

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PokemonSoldier In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2018-06-17 03:25:23 +0000 UTC]

Nevermind. Not getting into a political discussion any further than I have.

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DandyBandi In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2018-04-14 18:39:42 +0000 UTC]

Read the description.

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RJDETONADOR97 In reply to DandyBandi [2018-04-21 16:40:05 +0000 UTC]

According to that pie chart: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion…
Christians are about 69%, which makes them the majorty, that makes USA a christian nation.

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Ch3rry-C0ke In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2019-05-19 00:40:23 +0000 UTC]

America has religious freedom we are not a Christian nation. Majority doesn't mean anything.

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RJDETONADOR97 In reply to Ch3rry-C0ke [2019-05-20 00:36:54 +0000 UTC]

"Majority doesn't mean anything."


Hmmmmm... I think that's not how it works actually

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Ch3rry-C0ke In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2019-05-20 00:41:41 +0000 UTC]

America was not founded on any religion as the Founding Fathers realized it would cause trouble. Our 1st amendment is "Congress shall not make no law respecting an establishment of Religion,". That means no one religion is favored by the country nor can congress make that so.

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DandyBandi In reply to RJDETONADOR97 [2018-04-21 16:59:18 +0000 UTC]

No it doesn't mean America is ChristianΒ 
Have you still not read the description it's not hard man and it explains everything. I'm not going to discuss with you if you don't read it and I won't need to discuss once you read it. Simply read the description and comprehend it if you have any brain cells. You do have those, right?

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RJDETONADOR97 In reply to DandyBandi [2018-04-21 17:00:17 +0000 UTC]

But I read it.

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PsionicsKnight [2018-03-07 20:02:30 +0000 UTC]

Oh boy, you have no idea how much I agree with you.

I mean... I get the idea that some of the things about the Constitution might have been based on Christian Ideals, such as having freedom of choice or encouraging changes of power through non-violent means, but that does not mean that we are a de jure or de facto theocracy that says (conservative) Christians have the ability to do whatever they want, while all other religions other need to be silent or excluded entirely.

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Green-Tea-Flower [2017-07-11 23:12:25 +0000 UTC]

America doesn't need Freedom of Religion, it needs Freedom FROM Religion!

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Bloplol07 In reply to Green-Tea-Flower [2017-09-01 03:05:09 +0000 UTC]

-and by that, do you mean forcing people to be atheist?

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Green-Tea-Flower In reply to Bloplol07 [2017-09-04 21:13:56 +0000 UTC]

I fail to see anything wrong with that.

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Bloplol07 In reply to Green-Tea-Flower [2017-09-04 21:18:25 +0000 UTC]

it goes against human rights x d


you cannot force people to agree with you. Deal with m8. I thought atheists were about "tolerance"


And sorry kid, but America is ABOUT freedom: and the right to believe what you want. Nobody is forced to believe anything.

But hey, lemme know if you enjoy it in North Korea, there's no religion allowed there.

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Green-Tea-Flower In reply to Bloplol07 [2017-09-04 21:49:18 +0000 UTC]

"Β I thought atheists were about "tolerance""
So does that mean we just have to accept Islamic Terrorism, the KKK, Child Marriage, and other atrocities committed in the name of someone else's phony-baloney "God"?

Say will you know about North Korea, at least in North Korea there's no Jihadist movement.

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Bloplol07 In reply to Green-Tea-Flower [2017-09-04 21:54:25 +0000 UTC]

yes, but if you disagree with Kim Jong for anything, you get put into slave labor. Any "slight" criticism gets you in the gulag.


(And I'm not definding Islam, say what you will about it. Infact, most of the things you listed were Islam based, except KKK, which isn't really Christian, just southerners butthurt that they lost the civil war, and they aren't really doing alot of things anymore so...)

And just because a few folks dressed up as ghosts do something, does not mean ALL Christians are bad.

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Green-Tea-Flower In reply to Bloplol07 [2017-09-05 23:30:42 +0000 UTC]

"yes, but if you disagree with Kim Jong for anything, you get put into slave labor. Any "slight" criticism gets you in the gulag." Well then keep your thoughts about Kim Jong to yourself. Problem solved.

"And just because a few folks dressed up as ghosts do something, does not mean ALL Christians are bad."
Not all Christians are Klansmen, but enough are like that to discredit Christianity as a whole. Same is true about Islam. Not all Muslims are Terrorists, but enough are terrorists to discredit Islam as a whole.

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Bloplol07 In reply to Green-Tea-Flower [2017-09-06 00:02:48 +0000 UTC]

And then there's the "if someone does one thing wrong, their entire family is arrested" thing...



And there are only aroundΒ 3,000 KKK members, and 2.2 billion Christians...

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sarahsuz [2017-06-12 11:35:08 +0000 UTC]

HEY. ITS A FREE COUNTRY. SO SAVE IT FOR THE GAYS.

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kappaprince [2017-05-11 00:49:28 +0000 UTC]

tell that to westboro or landover lmaoooo

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Bloplol07 In reply to kappaprince [2017-09-01 03:05:44 +0000 UTC]

landover was actually a satire x d

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kappaprince In reply to Bloplol07 [2017-09-01 03:14:17 +0000 UTC]

ik
this comment was old afΒ 

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DictatorChocolate [2017-04-18 04:43:03 +0000 UTC]

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GodsofWarAndRock [2017-01-05 01:47:38 +0000 UTC]

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petewentztheemogod [2016-12-18 03:29:28 +0000 UTC]

america doesn't have a national religion, making it not a christian nation.

just decimated whatever petty argument those may have had.

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PeteSeeger In reply to petewentztheemogod [2018-01-15 22:03:18 +0000 UTC]

It's not exactly a "petty argument" to point out that 1) most American are Christians and 2) American culture has been heavily influenced by the Anglo-Protestants who founded the colonies and the nations.Β 

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PrincessMagical [2016-11-18 17:01:31 +0000 UTC]

The truth is we were a God-fearing nation until around the 50's. God has blessed this country for so long because we had Christian values. People can deny and suppress the truth all they want but this is the truth. All this chaos going on is our fault. We keep turning away from God and keep taking Him out of everything and Satan comes in. We can't have our cake and eat it too. We are either for Jesus or we are for Satan. There is no middle ground. We have to choose whom we will serve.

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Santa-Kruz In reply to PrincessMagical [2018-02-27 14:05:59 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, so loving in the name of God when people are murdered at abortion clinics and even outside the 1996 summer olympics by Christian terrorists. Christianity is a milder version of Islam. I am a former Christian because these bible-nuts like you. When you say "there is no middle ground", you make more people leave Christianity. If you really think that the pre-50s were such a godly time, think again. Did Christian values bring the fear of a communist revolution? How about the depresssion, the fear of a nazi invasion, anarchist bombings or the Spanish flu? Decades when America had Christian values were not blessed.Β 

And this is not even the reason why I'm non-Christian now. Better study history, moron.

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petewentztheemogod In reply to PrincessMagical [2016-12-18 03:30:02 +0000 UTC]

i would normally put something witty here but what you said is so stupid i cannot think of anything to say.

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