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In case it goes by a bit quick: "A person's sexuality does not determine their ability to parent."One of the favored arguments of late is the "Well, gay couples could never raise a child to the same quality as a straight couple could" argument. I say that's pretty silly if you ask me.
People using that argument conveniently forget that most kids who are abused have.... wait for it.... straight parents!
Most people who turn out to be criminals had straight parents. Most people who commit murder and genocide... straight parents. Hmmmm.American Psychological Association: "There is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children." (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);
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As one of my friends said; so what if they can't reproduce, we don't need to breed like were rabbits
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If sexuality decided how well of a parent somebody could be, then a transgender couple would be the best parents. The child would have four parents put into two! (Not literally, of course.) Β Β
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Not at all really hahahaha
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Straight is only the best when you're building a house, as a crooked line would be useless unless the builder is EXTREMELY talented. Straight PEOPLE aren't better, nor are they smarter, faster, stronger, etc. as a default. Now can a straight parent be better than a gay parent? Yes. BUT a gay parent can be better than a straight parent. The fact of the matter is that people need to realize that it depends on a person's PERSONALITY, not SEXUALITY.
And yeah, Beetlejuice is a good one
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True, You can be gay and be a shitty person; you can be gay and be a good person.
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I saw an article in the brazilian Yahoo! about a study that said that kids raised by lesbian parents are more prone to have a higher IQ. If I ever find that article again, I'll comment it here.
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The reason most kids area used by straight parents is because there are more straight parents than gay "parents."Β
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tbh;; this is not statistics but i usually find gays to raise better because of less woman should be like this&men should be like that. c:
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To take a page out of American Dad's quotes: "It doesn't take straight parents, it takes loving parents." it doesn't matter if the parents are gay or straight. What matters if they raise their kids properly, and your stamp hits it dead-on.
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True. Just because someone has homosexual or heterosexual attractions, doesn't automatically mean they're a bad or good parent. And I don't doubt that there are same sex couples who could raise children well, indoctrinating them aside 
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Are strait parents indoctrinating their children to be strait... but otherwise you are correct! Frankly I think being separated from your real parents would be detrimental to a child's well being and it would take better then average parents to compensate... Thereby if this is completely true what Manderz is saying then I think they are better!Β
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"strait parents"
so the parents of a small river?
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When I said "indoctrinating", I meant "telling them that homosexual behavior is fine and there is no room for dissenting opinions". However, kids are impressionable and sexual attraction isn't something set in stone, if you catch my drift.Β
Of course it's detrimental to be separated from your real parents. In a perfect world, real parents would act like real parents, and there'd be no need for adoption; regular or deviant.Β
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Well yes every parent will indoctrinating their kids with something... When we teach right from wrong it is mostly our opinion! I mean I believe acts of sex with children is wrong but it is mostly because my parents told me... I don't know if it is wrong wrong I have never read the dissenting arguments and mostly have the opinion because my parents did... But I don't have some personal experience saying it is with kids I and talked to about their experience. So I do have some confirmation but I don't know about every case or even most cases! I mostly just assume.
I mean further more because of my once being obsessed with bestiality porn I have the opinion that no picture should be illegal. I have the opinion because I talked to a psych doctor about the issue. But the only reason I respected the guys opinion is because my parents wanted me to respect him. I no longer look at actual photos as I believe it fuels savagery against animals to look at the real thing! If my parents had taught me to respect preachers I would probably yell it was a sin!Β
I am a progressive because my parent's were!
I am a little between Deism and Christianity because my dad was a Deist and my mother was a Christian...
I am a anti-racist because my parents were!
My parents didn't divorce till I was out of the house so I believe parents should try not to divorce!
Most of your personality is because of the way your parents raised you and little is determined by Genetics. Hitler became who he was because his father was very strict and died while he was young. Einstein was the way he was because his father lived up till his later years and was very flexible with him. Both had Aspergers Β and were very intelligent but turned out very different... Your parents indoctrinate you no matter what!
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The looking at pictures of people raping animals is not a sin to me but actually raping a Animal yourself is! Just like watching a violent movie doesn't make you a murderer but actually killing people does!
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I have mixed thoughts with you.
But you're alright, I suppose.
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"I have mixed thoughts with you."
They have free cookies in that Club.Β
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Dang, I was looking forward to that too.
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Now that I think of it, wouldn't LGBT parents actually makeΒ prettyΒ good parents? You know, not teaching their children to hate a group of people for no reason?
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Your mother should know that people don't simply wake up one morning and say, "OH! Guess what? I'm going to start liking penises/vaginas!"
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Well, straight parents are the overwhelming majority. There are bad gay parents, there are bad straight parents. That's just bad parenting, not sexuality.
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I want to try giving them the scenario where a gay man and a lesbian woman marry each other and they adopt a child. 
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It`s both true and wrong; if there`s 4 person, 3 guys and 1 woman, with equal parenthood skills, a heterocouple would be better than gaycouple.
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What are you laughing at?
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Your bullshit.Β 
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What I meant was that as a factor in parenthood, heterosexuality is better than homosexuality. Just how is that bullshit?
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Because that's exactly what it is, bullshit.
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I asked how is that bullshit? We all know there are differences between heterosexuality and homosexuality for sure. Why can`t homosexuality be a bad thing?
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Why can homosexuality be a bad thing? That's the real question.
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Why can incest be a bad thing?
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Inbreeding can cause physical and mental deformities and eventually can cause the inbred baby to die an early age over the generations.
Also, homosexuality has been documented in the wild.
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Exactly! But there's two problems here.
1) You do not have a reason to opposite same sex incest.
2) Our disgust towards inbreeding is actually biological; we want a partner whose immunity is different from ours (as opposed how it's similar among relatives). The thing is, by the very same biology, that we all share regardless of our sexual orientation, we have a need for a sexually mature partner of opposite sex as well! So by biological standpoint, pedophilia, homosexuality and incest are all nonsense, regardless how much clearer harms there are of the first and the last one.
As for the document, it's completely irrelevant.
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Your close mind amuses her.Anyone,regardless of sexualit, could parent.Did you read the description?No offense, though.
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My comment was about two couples with equal parenting skills, only difference being the fact one was straight couple and other same sex. I merely pointed out that it`s better for a children to have straight parents than same sex parents. It`s true there are many other factors for a good parenthood, of which is the reason straight couples are not always the best in reality, but as for my point (to examine one certain aspect) they`re all irrelevant.
None taken.
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More like fool to whom? Some folks reading these comments might think that you`re the fool one here and I don`t frankly give a damn about some stranger(s) thinking that I`m a fool. Despite that, I`d gladly give more reasonable and detailed explanations for my older statements when asked. Although I have to tell ya first that this truly is really complicated matter to discuss about so I have to tell alot of things.
Basically both animals and humans acts according to what`s the best for their survival, and passing healthy genes is one important aspect of that. Symmetric bodies are sexy because it`s a sign of healthiness. Women`s wide hips helps when giving a birth. Men`s voice tells something about the quality of their sperm. Things like that. In scientific point of view we became like that through evolution and it`s subconscious thinking like that that has the last saying of what we`re actually attracted to. That`s why, for example, there are women who says that they`re looking for a sweet and caring guys when actually falling in love with a douche! That douche is clearly not a sweet guy, but he has some Alpha features! Or at least something that woman in her foolness finds Alpha (or maybe both, real and fake Alpha features). She isn`t completly wrong about her ideal man, though. She just need to find an Alpha NICE guy!
There are times when something we knowingly desire is something that helps with the survival thing: We want someone who would stay with us forever (Side Note: and being healthy and staying alive defenitely helps with that, no?). For the survival of species, it`s really beneficial to have a family or, like in most animals` case, a herd to belong in. I belive that our subconconscious thinking is the purest form of our way of thinking. If and when there are some big contradictions with them, we feel confused, honestly having no idea for an answer because our thinking way is unable to produce one. At least momentarily. You see, our complicated mind is slow to change (Newton`s II Law of Motion), which can be easily seen in cases when something dramatic happens in all the sudden.
One, if not the most, important aspect of my worldview is the consept of Two Extremes; Good and Evil, Peace and War, Natural and Unnatural, Truth and Lie, Love and Hate, Wisdom and Stupidy, Life and Death (purposelly chosed 7 opposities). War is Unnatural as we were meant to live together! Lying is Hatred as it`s caused from not trusting eachothers enough! Choosing the Death is Stupid as we all know that this life is our only change to make the change! Ultimately the world is black `n white, we just can`t see things clearly enough to tell when it is which. And in this bad world, we sometimes have to make compromises. Not to opposite the Good within us, but to choose the less worse choise we have. And that`s why the expection confirms the rule; killing is wrong unless doing so can save more lifes than not doing anything.
As explaned before, the reasoning behind the sexual interest and thus, ultimately, romantical love, is Natural, and Good, and Wise. Everything that goes againts it in the other hand is Unnatural, Evil and Stupid.
Now, you asked how homosexuality is bad (or at least that`s how I understood the question and am going to answer to it). Well first of all I say it`s useless; in some cases it might be the less worse choise but altogether it would be better if it just didn`t exict at all. Second reason, compliting the previous, is that it has none of those things that make heterosexuality so special and unique. Thinking those two sexual orientations as completly equals is an insult, no, a downright blashphemy to heterosexuality that has made it possible for human-, and every animalkind and such, to survive more than, oh I don`t know, one damn generation!
Every single humanbeing is a damn important, or at least such a way of thinking would be good for everyone, and that`s why, by any means, we should not take lightly the method used to produce one! God Himselfs want to make sure we don`t screw around with that thing and that`s why He forbiden premarital sex! The true marriage is when God Himself says "Yeah, okay, you two get my permission to make mad love with eachothers.". The wedding ceremony is arranged and executed by humanbeings so not every time God agree with the folks who lives in a belief that He has blessed their relationship and give His approval to things they`re gonna do starting from the wedding night. It`s kinda the same thing as Crusades. They shout out loud how they`re "fighting in God`s name", but that Big Guy at the Upstairs Himself never told them to do that. So all in all, not every marriage is a perfect and working, and even when God has given His approval and blessing to the relationship, it has it`s own tough times and hardships just like any other (form of) relationship. You know why? Because even married couples are humanbeings, that`s why!
Of course, if you don`t belive in the God, such a statement might seem pretty pointless no? Well I`m kindly asking you to ignore that arrogant attitude of yours, because haven`t otherwice everything I`ve said so far made sense here? Non-belivers often wonders why people belives in God as there`s no proof of His existence, but they, and even some of the belivers, might not realise that the proofs, things suggesting that God really exisct, are absolute everywhere. It`s belief because that`s how I and many other belivers explain the things that happens around us, which the both of us, you and me, can explore and witness and still give the different explanations for them. As long as we`re disagreeing with eachothers, one of us is right and one of us is wrong, no matter how hard we both belive to be the one who`s right. So what can we do the help ourselfs and eachothers to find the truth in this discussion?
Be opeminded, that`s what.
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I read that shitstorm about five times.Β I read it very carefully.Β It did NOT make sense even after I woke up and analyzed it paragraph by paragraph.Β And I'm not going to bother to responding to most of it, because you assumed my question was "why is homosexuality bad?"Β And while I certainly am asking that (because it's not), my question was, "How is [the idea "that as a factor in parenthood, heterosexuality is better than homosexuality"] not bullshit?"
Though I will point out one thing.... Arrogant attitude... from me?Β If I recall correctly, you are the one who thinks that an omnipotent and omniscient God created the whole UNIVERSE just for you, and that he loves you with all his heart.Β But of course, I don't think such things, so I'm the arrogant one.Β Answer me one more question.Β How the flying fuck did you get that I'M arrogant when I DON'T think the universe was created just for me, and you do??
Be openminded yourself.Β Don't think I've fallen for a second your bullshit that you want to "find the truth in this discussion" to convince me to be open-minded.Β
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I do not think the points in my comments were stupid, but certainly understand that I`m still having hard time to understand other people and I`d like to apologize from some things.
Usually folks I argue with thinks that adding God into an argument makes it (basically) automatically bullshit. I assumed that you were rather agreeing with that instead of approving God, and though that that would be an arrogant attitude. "if you don`t belive in the God, such a statement might seem pretty pointless no?". I mean, if people are going to ignore an argument of mine, I want them to at least to do so with a good reason, not only because of they just don`t like God.
The funny thing is, homosexuality being bad is my reason of why heterosexuality, as a factor in parenthood, is the better option. I thought that was obvious so I made no effort to point it out on the comment of mine.
And I didn`t meant that "Be openminded"-thing to be an personal insult. I just wanted to ensure that you will give an fair, logical answer to me. Afterall, to me you`re just a stranger that so far had only laughed at my claims. Now I see that was unnecessery as you seem quite rational guy.
And about that God-thing, not only is He Omnipotent and Omniscient, but also a Loving. He loves everyone of us, this world He created was meant for us all. And it`s true the one who`s right doesn`t find the truth but has already found it. Even then, questioning own beliefs is good as it will, if not change, make them stronger! (Basically, just consider other folks opinion by thinking them carefully through.)
Lastly, for you, doing that might seem useless as you`re already sure of your beliefs, but after 4-5 years of exprience of discussing in internet, I`ve realized alot of things (about my own beliefs and opinions) while discussing with others (as I really had to think about them in order to explain them). I`ve also learned more about others and their beliefs and even might`ve taught something to others, too! I told you to be openminded so we could have a meaningful and constructive conversation, while forgeting other important aspect of discusser such as patience, which I don`t certainly lack. Afterall, opeminded or not, people won`t discuss long with people that pisses them off, no?
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I said they didn't make sense.Β And unlike disliking God, a good reason would be thinking the story is a crock of shit.Β And I do.Β I see no reason to accept "homosexuality is bad because God said so" as valid when I don't think the supernatural is real.
So, not only is God all-powerful and all-knowing, but he's all-loving, too.Β And he's got your back.Β Not arrogant at all...
I really don't care about how the Internet affects your beliefs.Β What I care about is your view on homosexuality insofar as you will interfere with another person's life.
All I'm hearing is "homosexuality is bad and heterosexual parenting is better", and while I don't care at all to get into a God debate, I do want to know what you think of the following:
A triplets are born: three males.Β They are put up for adoption.Β One boy gets adopted by a female-female couple.Β One boy gets adopted by a male-male couple.Β One boy gets adopted by a female-male couple.Β The three couples raise each boy, for all intents and purposes, the exact same way.Β All three boys grow up into outstanding young men of approximately the same caliber.Β As the results of parenting were basically indistinguishable, why is the heterosexual couple "superior"?Β -___-
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More importantly than the fact God sayd so, I would like you to think of the reason He said so. At least I think I made that reason quite clear there. Why exactly do you think it doesn`t make sense?
Let`s just say that everyone`s special. What`s wrong with that? And who are you to tell God of how much He can love us, even if He wasn`t real?
Internet is a mere tool that made it possible for me to think things so far. The point was that arguing and discussing with other folks is great way to learn more about yourself and others. Why can`t I recommend it to others, including you?
It is your belief that the manner I`m interfering to another person`s life is inappropriate. In case I`m right, I at least have a point, but might bring it up in a wrong way. But at the moment I really can`t see anything wrong with it.
Seriously? The true equality between women and men is not about treating everyone the same as men and women are clearly different. It is accepting those differences and thus treating them differently what could be considered as respecting both sexes equally. That said, you simply can`t say that gay couples are exactly the same things as straight couples.
Needless to say, father and mother have both their own roles in the family as well. That dude with two mothers has no male rolemodel as his parent. There might be other adult men really close to him, but that can not be directly compared to a father`s role. Women might not give their sons example of what they should be like as men, but they can teach them other things, like, oh I don`t know, thing or two about wome and their craz...err, different way of thinking. Having both father and mother defenitely gives a different overall parenting results than two fathers or two moms could.
And I just simply think that straight parents affect to their children is better. Afterall, that`s the way things are meant to be. Homosexuality is just a one possibility that, as said before, might in some cases be the less bad choise, but in a such a simple comparison, heterosexual couple is, without a doubt, superior here.
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I do not believe in God, therefore anything he "said" or the reasons behind them is not an established fact in my book.Β You have not demonstrated why "homosexuality is bad" other than "because God said so", and, if I bothered to ask why God said so, I assume your reason would be "because homosexuality is bad".Β Another crock of shit you expect me to swallow, I presume?
Who are you to posit that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving God exists for your arrogant benefit?
You don't need to recommend something I already use.Β -___-
I'm aware.
Seriously?Β Where the hell did you get ranting about gender equality from my comment?Β And where did I say that hetero couples were the exact same thing as homo couples?Β Where?Β That's utterly senile and beside the point.
And you are straying.Β Let me rephrase my hypothetical situation:Β Three grown men are standing side by side in front of you.Β They have similar jobs, capabilities, likes and dislikes, hobbies, everything.Β It is obvious they are triplets, but they tell you that when they were infants, they were each adopted by a different family: one was a couple of women, one was a couple of men, and one was a man and a woman.Β They tell you to identify who was adopted by whom, without asking questions to figure it out.Β If you cannot figure out based on any criteria who parented which triplet (because the results of parenting were the same), then on what criteria are you suggesting that the hetero couple is superior to the other two?
It's fine to assert that there are differences and superiority as long as you put your money where your mouth is and back it up with something more substantial than "I just simply think that straight parents affect their children better".Β
I will not even deign to pretend to be openminded, you disgusting hypocrite.Β
"Women might not give their sons example of what they should be like as men, but they can teach them other things, like, oh I don`t know, thing or two about wome and their craz...err, different way of thinking."
Don't tell me to be open-minded about your point of view when you've just called every homosexual crazy.
Follow your own fucking advice before getting high and mighty.
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Well I didn`t meant to tell them as established facts, either. Just wanted to hear your opinion and views of the logic behind those resoning behind God`s Word, whetever it`s true or not.
And during this whole conversation, my point is not to try to make you belive the same things I do, but rather, explain the logic behind it so you could at least understand why I belive what I belive. That consept of Two Extremes I mentioned earlier and the idea that people were meant to be straight (along with all the reasons I belived so, which I have, at least partly, explained to you) leads to a conslusion that homosexuality is bad. It`s less good choise than heterosexuality and it`s unnatural. Supporting it would be the same thing as supporting anything else that isn`t natural. That said, giving an exact, undenyable physical evidence of how homosexuality is bad is downright impossible and completly unnecessery.
My benefit? I thought I made it crystal clear already that God loves everyone. Just what arrogant benefit could I possibly get from God who loves everyone equally?
Well, of course I can see you`re doing the same thing, but I couldn`t be sure you were doing it with the same reason or attitude as I was. I mean, some folks can`t argue in a rational manner and even if one`s argument were rational, they might have unnecesserily negative attitude which can decrease their ability to understand one another. And quite frankly, your answers seem to have quite negative attitude towards me, at least comparing to my attitude towards you. Before I sounded little pissed, but it wasn`t meant to be as a personal attack, but just expressin myself in a strong manner, or something. I just felt like that at the moment.
Good to hear.
It`s true you didn`t say that, I just wanted to be sure you were aware of that (as it was important thing for the next part of the message). It seems I`m bad at reading between the lines of your comments. My apology.
Oh, I see. That is really logical question to ask indeed, but I`m afraid to be unable to give a convincing answer you`re looking for. According to my beliefs, doing that should indeed be possible, but I would have to know alot about them so that I could actually tell which differences were caused by which parenting couples. But if I had to guess, the one with two mothers might be more feminine or at least more aware of girls stuff than his two brothes. But then again, adobted child usually resembles more like their biological parents than the ones who adopted them. On the other hand, I have two brothers to compare him to, so such a method could indeed give me a good idea of their parents. And if he were to have many male friends, he might not be any more feminie than his brothers.
Thinking as their roles as adobted children, it is little different to be a adobted child of straight couple as they should actually be able to have child of their own. Will he have more brothers and sisters or are his parents unable to have child of their own. Those are questions that his brothers won`t be ever thinking (unless of course those parents could adobt more children). He`s given a different position and that could make a difference, although I wouldn`t be able to point what exactly that difference is, which I belive to be understandable as I can`t know everything about humanmind. That`s why I have a difference approach on this conversation than you do. I do have to give explanation to your statements, but if you want to properly understand me, you should give a little more thought to my overall logic than these little details. Or at least that`s what I think.
That last part was supposed to be a joke, man. It wasn`t about lesbian (those exact parents) way of thinking, but what women`s complicated way of thinking can look to us men. I mean, sometimes we just can`t figure that out, now can we? Yes, it might`ve been mean to women, but fair for lesbians as I`m implying that their way of thinking is as great mystery to us men as straight women`s as straight and homosexual women are not that different. And I`m not looking women down because of that "crazyness", either, because I could also say it like this "Men are bad at understanding women". It`s the fact, that I can respect their differences, precisely that have made me not to be too serious about this and even joke about it. But if you find that joke inappropriate, then fine. I just want to tell this beforehand because I have this feeling that you`re not cool with me calling women, even jokingly, crazy. Frankly, being serious enough to being bothered of such a joke might actually be a good thing. I just would personally prefer if you didn`t complaing about this as much as you`ve done before.
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