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Published: 2008-04-19 08:33:05 +0000 UTC; Views: 20964; Favourites: 460; Downloads: 290
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I was looking for inspiration for something colourful to do in a graphic style for my AP portfolio and noticed =gutterface was having a contest. Voila!You're amazing and I hope you like it~
It could have turned out better :c
But my portfolio works were due earlier today and I was rushed.
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Stunning.(:
The details are fabulous.
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Love the bright colours.
You can never go wrong there.
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you've been featured here: [link]
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Neat she looks awesome........and yes she's a she.........Not being fooled here
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it's not like he's lying or anything. he's a transguy.
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I know. I'm not stupid lol
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Hm, I love the colors, the composition and all, except for how the picture's divided.
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You've divided it up quite nicely, everything works so well
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This piece has been featured in my news article [link]
if you would like it removed, please let me know
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For the truth about gutterface see here: [link]
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I am not under any sort of bizarre delusions about Gutterface, what you are doing is rude and kind of stupid.
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Don't shoot the messanger, just trying to get this around so people can finally find out who gutterface really is.
GUTTERFACE is a SCAMMER. SHE is NOT a boy. She is a girl. She uses this facade for more pity and love.
And guess what, it works. You've fallen for it. Have you ever been promised something from her and never got it?
Guess what, you've been scammed! Congratulations. But how long will it take for everyone to actually realize that she is a scammer?
It's been going on this long, for YEARS. But what? Nothing.
Ayla Chisler is her real name. She's not going to get hormone treatment. She's been saying she will for years, never happened.
She doesn't even make herself look anything like a boy.
Anyway, here's some links for you to judge for yourself. Thank you.
And once again, don't shoot the messanger.
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Here's some links:
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* Kazakaiβs feedback thread on DOA: [link] 
* Another feedback thread on DOA:[link]
* and another feedback thread for Kazakai: [link]
* and another: [link]
* and another: [link]
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that isn't the truth. who cares if he hasn't gotten hormones yet? i'm trans myself, and i'm 13. you think i can afford that? it's expensive. HE is a boy. everyone should stop being such a bitch about this.
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She's physically female, therfore she's a girl. PHYSICALLY.
Wanting to be a male, does not make you a male.
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It's not WANTING to be male. It's being male, just on the inside. You think you'd just accept it if you were in the body of the opposite sex? Don't think so. Gender and sexual orientation isn't black and white. We're in the new millennia, stop being so stuck in the past.
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Yeah, that's how you "feel on the inside". As in, you wish and want to be the opposite sex. You're physically one sex, and that's how you're always going to be unless you get a sex change. If you have female genitalia, you're a female, if you ave genitalia, you're a male. Even if you feel the opposite way around.
And who even spoke about sexual orientation? That has nothing to do with transgenders and transexuals.
It's not being stuck in the past, what you physically are, you are, even if you're mentality is not.
Even though I've always felt like a fairy on the inside, I'm not. You see, I don't have wings. Same as a person doesn't have a penis or a vagina.
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I'm not transgender but I see that you have little gender education.
The SEX of a person can be female, male or intersex. Your sex is only useful in medical (and sometimes sexual) situations.
The GENDER of a person however is completely different. Yes, Gutterface's sex is FEMALE, but his gender is MALE. The gender is the one that dictates social situations. You should call a person by the pronouns of their gender, not their sex. Nobody says your sex suddenly changes if you want it to, you're still male/female, but the right way to address someone is by their preferred pronoun.
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Um, if you read later comments then you'd see that that's exactly what I say and believe. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IN THIS ONE TOO. xD REEEEAAADDDDD
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I did. I know you know it, but the whole point is to address to someone by their preferred pronouns, according to their gender, not to their sex. Nobody is trying to say their sex changes, but their gender is the one that matters.
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Then you would know why I refused to adress him as a guy then.
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Considering he mentioned his gender is male, no, I can't really figure out why.
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I know his gender is male. I just felt that if someone doesn't show you respect and doesn't act kindly towards others, why should you do the same?
I pointed that out in my comments, you said you read. Don't attempt to jump into things when you have absolutely no idea what is actually going on. It makes you look like a self-righteous idiot.
But he did something that really brought back the respect that he had lost. AND I KNOW I DON'T MATTER TO HIM, So why should it matter if I didn't want to call him a guy?
BUT SERIOUSLY, THIS WAS FINISHED IN MAY THIS YEAR. MAAAAY. WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DIG UP SOMETHING OLD, BURIED, AND RESOLVED?
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Yes, I do because obviously, it wasn't resolved.
I'm not a fan of gutterface, or anything like that. I'm quite in the gray area, I don't really care what he did or didn't do, I only follow him for his art and period.
But refusing to call him by male pronouns is not a PERSONAL insult to him, it's disrespectful towards all trans people. It's like not calling a cisguy a guy just because you don't like him. I don't care if gutterface ate babies, he's still a guy. It's not a thing of respect, it's common sense.
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Okay, so have you just completely ignored "his" and "him". Really, Do you read at all? Please ACTUALLY READ MY WORDS. Do your eyes just see HATE HATE HATE HATE in my comments instead of what I'm actually saying?
It WAS resolved.
He personally attacked me when I was younger and I first came on this site, saw a picture of him and I never knew he was a guy, obviously he looked female so I said something along the lines of "oh, i've never seen a girl as pretty as you" or something like that, and he started yelling at me that he's a guy and I'm rude and hateful and too closeminded to ever understand anything like that. I'm not anything like that. I have transexual friends now and I did then, I just simply didn't know that HE was transexual and he attacked me because of an innocent comment. I just saw his picture, not profile, so I had absolutely no idea. But when someone acts out like that, they deserve absolutely no respect and I will not give them any.
Please, CALM THE FUCK DOWN.
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It's funny how you're the only one "yelling" in this conversation, but I am the one that needs to calm down. 
Hey, I never said you hate trans people or anything. I just said that just because he's/might be a douche, it doesn't mean he's suddenly not worthy of being called by male pronouns, he's still male.
Also, you're getting kinda worked up over a simple conversation. Honestly, you shouldn't take stuff so personal.
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Seem more calm*
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I'm not yelling, or it would all be in CAPS lock. CAPS LOCK RAEG.
No, you're the one who keeps going at it and who STARTED it even though it ended in MAY. Unless you are ignorant of the date, it is now the first of October.
If you ever see an argument that happened months ago, and you feel the need the jump into it, even though it ended, then you are indeed a self-righteous idiot.
PS, putting a smily face doesn't make you seem less calm. c:
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So if it's from may, it means it's not relevant? People are still debating over a 2000-year-old book and I can't debate over a few moths old comment. That sounds rather ridiculous.
Also, insulting me only proves that you're not mature enough for a conversation. So I assume we should just cease having it.
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Because that debate hasn't ended, the problems haven't been resolved. This has, so you're just picking fights that have long been forgotten.
Actually, I remember that it was you that first insulted my intelligence, by questioning my knowledge of a subject that I was arguing about. Really? You can't start a "conversation" with an insult and then not expect anyone to judge you for what you have said and done.
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If you take it like that, any kind of debate is an insult and the world wouldn't get anywhere by not "insulting" others. However, there is a difference between that and just simply calling someone an idiot because oh, you're so smart and everyone else is so dumb.
Considering you answered one of my replies saying you think the fact that gutterface doesn't respect others takes away his right to be called by male pronouns proves irrefutably that there was indeed a problem to debate. Just because you closed the "topic", it doesn't mean the conclusion you got to is right.
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I gave a reason as to why I think you're an idiot. It isn't my fault that you just looked over that completely. Though talking to you, I know to expect that you just ignore the most important parts of peoples' arguments.
Key thing. I THOUGHT that. I THOUGHT IT. PAST TENSE. ABOUT 5 MONTHS IN THE PAST.
But it does in a way have to do with respect. When people call someone a man or woman, most times they ARE referring to the sorts of genitals said person has. Not many people really look to someones gender to identify that person in their eyes. But when you know someone is transgendered it is respectful to refer to them by their gender and not their sex. You could very well call someone a woman because they have a vagina, even if their gender is male. And that is incredibly rude to anyone.
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Well, considering people don't walk down the street showing their genitalia, I don't see how you can refer to their sex rather than their gender.
And really, you replied some time ago to ME in a comment saying Gutterface didn't deserve to be called by his preferred pronouns because godknowswhathedid. So that wasn't 5 months ago. That's what I was arguing about.
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That's completely different. Don't bring fairies into a serious argument like this. Not cool or funny (or even valid). You have no idea what it's like unless it's you. You don't know what you're talking about so shut up.
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It's not completely different, it's both your mentality being different than you physically. It doesn't matter if you're talking about sexes or fairies.
And yes, I had for a time believed I was transgendered, and had friends that WERE transgendered, I just felt like I wanted to be the other sex, they saw themselves as the other sex. Their mentality was that they were male when they were actually physically female. Like a person can see themselves as a fairy when they're actually a human.
I DO know what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter how much you feel that you're a male trapped in a woman's body, you are still physically female, and will still be called a female.
I ACTUALLY do feel like I'm a 50 year old man inside a teenage woman's body, but I'm sane enough to realize that if I have a vagina and breasts, I AM FEMALE.
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Fine. Drown in your little pit of denial.
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"Denial"? You're the one that thinks you aren't a girl, when you obviously physically are. xD Who's denying the obvious?
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That is the most horrible thing I have ever heard. So what if I had gotten a sex change then? Would that suddenly make it okay?
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What's "okay"? If you get a sex change, you change your sex, instead of being female, you're male. And then people can call you a male.
I doubt you've really understood any of this. The only thing that I have been saying, is that when people call you a boy or girl, it's based on your body, and not your mentality. If you have breasts and a vagina, you are a woman, if you have a penis, you are a man. Until you have a sex change, you can't expect other people to call you a man instead of a woman, and you have to except that instead of getting worked up about it.
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That's how society/everyone else views it, yes. But gender isn't black and white. If you look like the gender you want to be, most people will leave you alone. But I'm not talking about society's views. I'm talking about people's individual feelings. To disregard that would be chosen ignorance and not to mention mean.
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I'm not talking about gender, I'm talking about SEX. So many people go and argue to the government that because they're trans they should have it changed. Sex isn't based on feelings, sex is based on what you physically have.What someone feels has nothing to do with sex, feelings can't change your genitals.
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Okay, fine. But that's not what this is about. If someone's gender is female, then you call them a girl, regardless of whether or not their "sex" matches that. It's the polite and considerate thing to do.
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You know how you can put in your age and name in your personal info on here? It also asks for your sex. Not gender but sex.Nowhere do people ask for gender because anyone can have different gender identities that don't relate to sex at all.Male and female is sex, girl and boy is gender. It's again with the fairy thing, inside you are a fairy,even though your outside is human. You cannot expect people to call you a fairy when you are human. There might be people that are sympathetic and will call you a fairy because you believe you are one, but you ARE a human, and must learn to come to terms with that unless you want to get wings in your back and learn to fly and spray fairy dust everywhere. My point is that gutterface put in her sex as "male", not female. And, no, she is not male, she is female. She might be a boy, but she is female, with a female body, and she can't come to terms with that. She also acts hostile to people that mistake her gender and call her a woman because on the outside she looks like one, and her sex is, so when meeting someone you must assume that what is on the outside is also on the inside. That is the first thing you think of, and when you see a person nothing can really tell you "oh, this person's sex is different than their gender." She doesn't want to accept that she does have breasts and a vagina and chooses rather to rudely reply to someone and then block them, instead of explaining to them that "yo, I'm trans, no hard feelings towards you."
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But there ARE hard feelings! It feels like shit when people constantly deny you of who you want to be! Imagine something you are truly passionate about, the one thing you love more than anything in the world. Now imagine that everyone told you that you could never do that thing or have that thing or become that thing that you so desperately wish and strive to be. It feels like absolute shit. Most people, unlike you the god damned grammar nazi, would interpret the little "sex" box as what pronouns and gender role that person wishes to use, not their freaking genitalia.
Besides, if HE wants to be known as a HE, what the fuck does that have to do with you? Absolutely nothing! How is that harming you? It isn't!!! So seriously. Your pointless arguing is pointless. You could just let it alone and walk away, but no. You come on here and you make a big fuss about something that isn't affecting you personally in any way.
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