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Plowplot — Bernie Sanders: Still Standing for what's right.
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Published: 2015-10-14 08:29:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 476; Favourites: 3; Downloads: 0
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For those of you who missed the first Democratic debate on CNN, I can sum it up for you: Bernie came, Bernie saw, Bernie ruled. All the policy questions where his policies. Hillary was the only one to not make a fool of themselves trying to keep up with Sanders. If it wasn't a 2 person race before, it is now.Related content
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"money out of politics"
>has a health care plan that, if implemented, would cost US$ 41 trillion in taxpayer money
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Every other first world nation has a universal health care system and pay less for health care then us for it so get that BS out of he
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Correction: The CITIZENS pay less. For health care. Every other developed first-world nation aso has an astronomically high income tax rat compared to ours. For what? "Free" health care.
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They get more out of their taxes then us, also they tax their rich more.
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They only reason they get more out of their taxes is because they pay more taxes.
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they still spend less per capita of healthcare then Americans
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Yes, they do. But this doesn't mean anything, because the government still has to pay for it somehow. The way they do this is by increasing raxes across the board. So they may end up paying less for health care specifically, but in the end they're still giving the government the same amount of money.
There's also the competitive factor involved. Privatized healthcare incites competition between different hospitals for clients. The result is a positive feedback loop which gives increasingly better quality care for the same price. A nationalized system does away with competition, and thus the incentive for hospitals to compete to provide better care than their competitor. You end up paying more for less. There's nothing complex about this. It's basic economics.
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Or maybe the US should spend less on invading other countries and then you would have enough money left for your citizens. How about that?
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-throws hands up-
We can't win.We can't fucking win. There's no way out. For fuck's sake, if you want us out of other countries, FIX YOUR OWN GODDAMN PROBLEMS AND STOP CRYING TO THE EU OR THE USA ABOUT WHO HURT WHOSE DELICATE LITTLE FEELINGS.
Christ, it's that simple.
Also, what kind of bullshit are you pulling here? Your ID says you live in Hungary. Why are you in effect telling me, a natural-born American, who I should vote for in an election that literally has no effect on you at all? More importantly, why do you even fucking care?
I don't see Hungary topping the list anywhere close to the countries with the most economic power. You can't tell a world superpower how it should do things. Despite what you might believe or think, that's what America is.
Now kindly get the fuck out of this comments section.
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Except it is not, in reality we pay more for worse care here. Between insurance and out of pocket cost we pay more for less care they we would have under taxes. There is no positive feedback loop, in fact one could say that private health care has a negative feedback loop. Medication here is almost 10x more expensive, you have pay more out of pocket, preemptive medical treatment is discouraged, prices are raised and serves cut for the sake of profit. Their are some fields where market competition is good but like prisons, health care is not one of them. If you can't see this your both delusional, and have never been poor and had to deal with the reality of the healthcare system.
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Also, in reality people are not as scummy(or incompetent) as you obviously think.
An owner of a hospital knows full well its importance to the surrounding community. Prices are raised and services are cut when they are wasted by the public. A person in the ER being treated for a hangnail by paramedics(yes, this happens frequently where I live) is a waste of the hospital's time and money. A hospital's nature as a public service means that to cut any quasi-essential service to the community "for the sake of profit" would mean an immediate public backlash.
The city I live in has three "standard" hospitals, a medical school which offers doctorates, and one non-profit charity hospital, all of which provide care with a high level of quality. If there is any "delusion" to my opinion, it is purely based on what I see. And what I see is hospitals participating in economic competition for customers, constantly trying to outdo the other. What I have observed in reality is what I describe.
As for my own economic status? I am a member of a middle class working family of five. Both my parents and all of my siblings hold either full-time or part-time jobs in order to make ends meet. I have friends of the same social status who have been unable to acquire vital medications for family members because they apparently make too much money to receive the benefits of Obamacare.
Again, what I have observed in my city is what I base my opinions on: concrete events.
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Just so you understand, how amazingly stupid you sound when you say that, America's annual gross domestic product is 16.77 trillion. It would take almost 4 times the total amount of money moving in America every year to pay off something that costs 41 trillion dollars. If you take the GDP of America, China and Russia combined, you could not move that much money in a year. That is how insane what you are saying is.
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Precisely. And when did I ever say it was going to all be in one year?
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Let me tell you why that's bullshit 
See where they say "CBO Baseline" and then "Baseline+Single-Payer"
CBO baseline is what we spend now and the +Single Payer is the amount they made up will be spent because of Single Payer.
Here is where they are misleading you: The stuff covered by CBO will continue until it is REPLACED with the Single Payer plan. They will never exist at the same time and if you notice, on their own graph, the difference between CBO and Single-payer means Single Payer will be almost 1/3rd the cost of CBO when it is implemented.
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That's not even remotely true. Where did you come up with that insane number?
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didn't he Voted NO on cooperating with India as a nuclear power.
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I looked into it and yes, he did vote against it because India at the time was refusing to follow the rules of the international nuclear nonproliferation framework. They wanted to get nuclear power but they didn't want to have to follow the rules with it that everyone else does so the U.N. was against the deal and many of the Democrats. The lead dissenting voice was Rep. BARBARA LEE (D, CA-9) who said:
"In withholding my approval, I seek not to penalize the people of India but, rather, to affirm the principle of nuclear nonproliferation. Jettisoning adherence to the international nuclear nonproliferation framework that has served the world so well for more than 30 years, as approval of the agreement before us would do, is just simply unwise. It is also reckless.
Approval of this agreement undermines our efforts to dissuade countries like Iran and North Korea from developing nuclear weapons. By approving this agreement, all we are doing is creating incentives for other countries to withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty"
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Well, what do you say, USA is strange........... My country should not be allowed to build nuclear weapons to protect ourselves from China, but US ally jihadi Pakistan is allowed to build nuclear weapons to threaten infidels.
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If your country didn't follow international law then you shouldn't be able to build nuclear weapons until your country follows international law. International law are the laws that the world's nations all agree to in order to keep peace. If you're not willing to follow them, why should anyone trust you with nukes?
It's like a child who keeps lighting things on fire and hitting other kids saying, "Don't put your new gun in a safe, you can trust me not to play with it!"
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Laws made by whom? the 1st and the 2nd world? is that some kind of joke, the US has the largest stockpile of weapons, has a history of invading many nations and toppling secular regimes.what right does america has to teach others about peace? why should anyone trust america?
what about us, we have been invaded many times, and that too with US support,...we have given back all the territory we have captured in the name of PEACE...without nukes our country would have be attacked again, its the only thing that is protecting us. when have we started a war?? america has always been the aggressor and they want it to stay that way.?
Its like a child playing TAG, and when he gets tagged he says its not fair and cries to make new laws.
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The world leaders, the U.N. got together and agreed on a set of rules that countries have to follow to prevent a nuclear war from breaking out. Follow the rules agreed on by the global community and you can get support from that global community, don't and that global community will turn against you.
It's like living in an apartment building where you're not allowed to have a dog. If you have a dog that barks all night and leaves shit on other people's yards the local community is going to protest to the management and you will get in trouble. There are rules in every community, even among the community of nations.
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lol....do you believe in UN? why did US attack iraq the 2nd time? what did the UN do to stop genocide in Rwanda? why was the UN powerless when it come to appartheid? what did UN do to liberate tibet? and most importantly what did UN do to stop a crazy country that attacked mine several times?
FACE IT - the UN is a western creation to cater only the agendas of NATO
did you know that china had attacked our country? they started testing nukes to threaten us into submission and we would have ended up like tibet...if they hadnt built nukes we never needed them in the first place. It was constant threat and aggression from our crazy neighbors that led us to ditch the peace and become south asian military hegemony....otherwise we didn't need a military at all..what about USA? is Canada and Mexico as major threat? why do US still need a big military force? simple, US always wants to be the aggressor.
nope...its more like living in an appartment building where youre not allowed to have a dog....still everyone else has a dog but they complain only about your dog
finally...if any nation is absolutely not supposed to have nukes at all..its USofA
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China signed a treaty with America at the end of WW2 that included them not making nuclear weapons. In fact they are even limited in the number of navy ships they have and active soldiers. You really don't need to worry about China. That is your new media fear mongering. If China was at all close to having a nuclear device America would swoop in and "Liberate" them like they did Iraq (AKA: Stealing everything not nailed down) China knows better than to give America an excuse. They own way to much stuff that the rich people in America want to own.
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China signed a treaty with America at the end of WW2 that included them not making nuclear weapons
lol...the number of nuclear warheads in China's arsenal is a state secret and is therefore unknown
denying that china has warheads is pure fantasy. even after all their H-bomb tests.
China's last nuclear test was on July 29, 1996. the yield of the 1996 test was 1–5 kilotons. This was China's 22nd underground test and 45th test overall.
In fact they are even limited in the number of navy ships they have and active soldiers.
whats the limitation size???? and yet they have the biggest standing army (twice as big as USA) and second biggest naval force (bigger than Russia)...sounds quite intimidating.
You really don't need to worry about China. That is your new media fear mongering.
even after they attacked us...i dont think so....you sound like the witch doctors saying, "you dont have to fear HIV, its all media fear mongering"
If China was at all close to having a nuclear device America would swoop in and "Liberate" them like they did Iraq
Now you live in dream land, they do have nuclear devices and america is not willing to do anything, partly because taking on the chinese military would
be biting more than you can chew.
China knows better than to give America an excuse
US general: oh noes...look theyre building artificial islands
Obama : we are not capable of doing anything :cries:
They own way to much stuff that the rich people in America want to own.
half their people are at gunpoint being forced to work to death
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