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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Rb1996 [2017-01-23 00:40:55 +0000 UTC]

All of that has nothing to do with the actual comic, that's just you needing the comic to have a certain narrative because you just didn't bother to get into it. You say it's not interesting even though the comic did far more with story telling then the games ever did, so I can't take this with anymore then a grain of salt. And really, do you just have some vendetta with American material or something? Yeah I don't like Japan much but they were the ones that screwed up the entire company and Sonic as a franchise, SOA are actually responsible for their successes and actually stuck with a narrative and expanded on it.

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Rb1996 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-01-23 16:46:30 +0000 UTC]

Okay how are non of this problems of the comics (beside obviously that his are all problems that I as an individual have with them)?

And what do you mean I just didn't bother getting into it? It the comic's job to get me invested into it like the Hedgehog havoc sage originally did (being the first story I wrote from the comic that I actually liked) but with the older issues being full of artwork that makes by eyes bleed looking at it, dialog and narrator that makes me sleepy and plots that don't menage to get me invested than I am going to give my opinion on it and I just don't like it.

Even if it was true what you say there about story telling that all doesn't help when I don't like the focused characters or dislike a story in general and I am not going back with my statemented when I say that my personale favorite story in the entire Franchise that I have seen so far is Sonic Adventures.

Less a Vendetta and more that I simply don't like most of this stuff I mean I raster read an Archie comic form its dark age (my perspective) or marathon Sonic Satam than read any of Sonic the comic were looking it the "art" for longer then 2 minutes makes my eyeballs explode and the character are all so so Ultimate universe Marvel Aka Assholes and this kind of Character I am not even crossly interested in (and don'T give me the its realistically answer because This is the exact reason why I like DC heroes more then Marvels for the most part.) So I don't hate it with my entire soul (unlike Adventures of sonic the hedgehog, sonic underground, sonic heroes, sonic colors, sonic lost world or the flettway comics)

And SoA sticking to a concept in with universe do you live in SoA jumped from there own bibel to the translated manuals to Satam and than because of the sonic Extrem incident (and the fail of the Saturn in America) (And I know that Naka is to blame for a lot of this with him forbidden them to use his nights in to dreams engine)lost all the control back to SoJ. But yes Sega of America  jumpt to anything that looks like it was making good and could be used to make the brand bigger with out thinking that the developers didn't know any of this and just continue doing what there have done before with lead to that what The media shown, was the manuals say and was actually happened in the games didn't work well with each other . If anything that Its Japan with stuck to a singel continuing continuity from sonic 1 all the way to shadow the hedgehog (and because the Jap. manual form sonic 1 said that before the events of sonic 1 eggman and sonic had a few encounters of lesser meaning could even stuff like the promo mange and the sonic the police officer arcade game fit in as things that happened before Eggman became a real threat for the first time in sonic 1)

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Rb1996 [2017-01-24 22:03:39 +0000 UTC]

How are they a problem of the comics when it's clear it's your own personal bias? You say you have no interest in any of this stuff, that's one thing, but to say you're only interested when they're like the games shows you choose to only follow them if it's that way.

"And what do you mean I just didn't bother getting into it? It the comic's job to get me invested"
Because you flat out said you're only interested if it's like the games, which means this has nothing to do with the merit of either or, but just wanting to have the same stories.

"Even if it was true what you say there about story telling that all doesn't help when I don't like the focused characters or dislike a story in general"
Again, your words about only liking them when they were like the games. You do realize that when the comics rebooted, which you said you liked for being like the games, the focused characters you didn't like were still there. I also have this hard time believing someone having legit reasons when they like characters based on what canon they're from.

"Less a Vendetta and more that I simply don't like most of this stuff"
Then just leave it at you don't like most of their stuff, because hardly any of the arguments you make are legit and just sound like you're trying to justify not liking them, and you've done this with any meme I've brought up SOA or the comics on. I know other people who aren't interested in the comics but don't go out of their way to make up negative points they can barely explain.

"And SoA sticking to a concept in with universe do you live in SoA jumped from there own bibel to the translated manuals to Satam and than because of the sonic Extrem incident (and the fail of the Saturn in America) (And I know that Naka is to blame for a lot of this with him forbidden them to use his nights in to dreams engine)lost all the control back to SoJ."
None of that had anything to do with the subject at all dude.....

"But yes Sega of America  jumpt to anything that looks like it was making good and could be used to make the brand bigger with out thinking that the developers didn't know any of this and just continue doing what there have done before with lead to that what The media shown, was the manuals say and was actually happened in the games didn't work well with each other ."
Again, nothing to do with the subject.

"If anything that Its Japan with stuck to a singel continuing continuity from sonic 1 all the way to shadow the hedgehog (and because the Jap. manual form sonic 1 said that before the events of sonic 1 eggman and sonic had a few encounters of lesser meaning could even stuff like the promo mange and the sonic the police officer arcade game fit in as things that happened before Eggman became a real threat for the first time in sonic 1)"
Yeah, they stuck to one canon, that they barely gave any details on when they started, no depth in the lore, retconed the chaotix, suddenly made Knuckles a retard, Amy a stalker, and Eggman another retard. And you're using this as an argument again the US that had a comic that utilized different material and did a much better job at maintaining for a longer period of time. This is what I meant when I said you're argument don't sound legit, you're going after SOA for shit hat has nothing to do with the subject and elevating SOJ for shit they either didn't stick to or mishandled.

It's fine if you like SOJ more but don't argue in their favor, they didn't accomplish much outside of 7 or 8 games people care about out of a lot more in total, and for the most shallow reason most of the time. The classics because they are that, the Adventure games because they were actually good, and Shadow and 06 because fanbnoys wont shut the hell up about them. For everything you try to say against SOA, SOJ fucked up twice over.

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Rb1996 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-01-25 14:11:34 +0000 UTC]

Wow claiming that I only dislike a huge part of the comic because it isn't like the games especially the fact that I never said anything other than that I didn't like a lot of story's and the lore and some Characters from the Comics while I like the in the games established story's and lore more as well as the Characterization for some of the Characters this 2 things aren't interchangeable.
Also what it this carp about only liking Characters from a specific canon I didn't say I don't like all the Archie Characters Like Nicole and Mogol are some of my favorites in the franchises it just that there were a huge focus on characters that I hated like King Maxi or  Geoffrey St. John or lian da or one of the Character parents that are not sonic's (well at least got the main character the only good parents (even through that suck at giving names Maurice my ass).
Also beside Nagus are nearly all the Characters that I didn't like or hate gone or rewrite so that there aren't any more a problem for me (like Nigel in comparison to Maximilian)

And that I don't like a lot of this Teeny couple drama Storys or the Artwork for many issues between 25 to 160 doesn't help given that this is a visual and story driven medium after all.

Well all I give is my reason as to why I don't like a huge chunk of the comic and like the post genesis wave world better. And you as someone that will when he sees some one bashing SoA and praising SoJ goes directly into attack mode are in no position to tell me to just shut up.

You were the one that brought the whole Sega of America stocke to one canon thing up and I just proven this as false and don't give me this the Archie comics canon crap not only have the Comics fluctuated in style and direction based on the current head writer just as much as the games but also are in no way the fruits of SoA the only thing they have done was to allow Archie to make a sonic comics and given some Mandates (Like saving sally from death and no killing of Sega Characters without it being explicit allowed by Sega) 

So you call me out for giving some reason why I don't like the Archie canon and yet you are saying how bad the game canon is because of some little explained reasons and complete ignoring that Archie not only doesn't have to bother with a world wide franchise and just have to be concerned about the American marked but also just have to tell story's with out needing to worry how this will work together with a speed based Games with will need gameplay.

And now claiming that every one only cares about 7 to 8 games I at least be honest and give just my opinion and don't make some random numbers up (and of cause will the 11 main games be more well known that the spinoffs because that is how this stuff works most of the time).

Know know how you sound you sound like one of the DBZ dub fans that proclaim that Z is only good thinks to the rewrites and music changes from funimation and that with out it the series would have flopped.  

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Rb1996 [2017-02-01 22:15:48 +0000 UTC]

"Wow claiming that I only dislike a huge part of the comic because it isn't like the games especially the fact that I never said anything other than that I didn't like a lot of story's and the lore and some Characters from the Comics while I like the in the games established story's and lore more as well as the Characterization for some of the Characters this 2 things aren't interchangeable."
That seems to be the case given that you and many people who've said the same things as you never give legit reasons to back it up, especially when many of them have explicitly said so.

"Also what it this carp about only liking Characters from a specific canon I didn't say I don't like all the Archie Characters Like Nicole and Mogol are some of my favorites in the franchises it just that there were a huge focus on characters that I hated like King Maxi or Geoffrey St. John"
You never elaborated on such though, and neither have done anything to be hated, even if you dislike Geoffrey's face-heel turn.

"And that I don't like a lot of this Teeny couple drama Storys"
That only applies to Ken Penders, who Ian Flynn replaced backed in 2006, so your criticisms doesn't apply for almost a decades worth of material. I also went back and read many issues from back during Penders time of writing and found far less drama and romance as people stated. I know he's done it, but not as much as people claim as far as I've seen, unless I just happen to choose 4 or 5 randoms arcs by luck.

"Well all I give is my reason as to why I don't like a huge chunk of the comic and like the post genesis wave world better. And you as someone that will when he sees some one bashing SoA and praising SoJ goes directly into attack mode are in no position to tell me to just shut up."
When did I tell you to shut up? It's the fact you came spitting all of this hate for no reason other then some shit that applies to a few issues from over 10 years ago. Even if you dislike the characters, they barely do anything to be disliked as far as I've seen. I can see if some aren't an interesting but hate is a strong word, especially, again, when you don't back it up.

"You were the one that brought the whole Sega of America stocke to one canon thing up and I just proven this as false"
You didn't prove anything, they were made by different people in the U.S., the comics, another U.S. medium, stuck to what it did from the 90's(After adopting the Satam tone) till the reboot, where Japan couldn't stick to the same thing for very long, as they have an OVA, Sonic X which was nothing like the games for 2 seasons, and a bunch of mangas that no one cares about but SOJ.

"So you call me out for giving some reason why I don't like the Archie canon and yet you are saying how bad the game canon is because of some little explained reasons"
And do you need me to explain the reasons? We've all played the games so it would be redundant, but many archie haters have proven, as well as yourself, to hate the entire series over a few issues that don't apply for most of the recent decade. I didn't even say the game canon was bad unless you mean post 2010 which you agree on, but SOJ screwed up by giving us something good then ditching it because a bunch of nerds complained, many of them say the same shit you do about the comics with little reasoning, but even before 2010, Knuckles, Chaotix, Amy, and Robotnik were getting screwed, and Team Dark is usually MIA. Your best for the comics is hating a bunch of characters for old shit and most likely would be petty for as far as I've seen.

"And now claiming that every one only cares about 7 to 8 games I at least be honest and give just my opinion"
1. That's actually the truth. Most people who want sonic to be kiddy only like 3 classic sonic games, and praise Colors, Generations, Lost World, and Boom Shattered Crystal, that makes about 7 games. Many others stopped liking the games at the Adventure games and have mixed reception on everything else, so that is true.
2. Your honest opinion was not asked for, and have no value on reality. You decided to come in and start talking shit, so don't try to get mad at me for responding, especially after that bullshit on Satam Robotnik, sounding like another dude I know who hated him, who later went full retarded and start bashing the Sonic series because who couldn't handle being criticized, and disappeared after that.

"know how you sound you sound like one of the DBZ dub fans that proclaim that Z is only good thinks to the rewrites and music changes from funimation and that with out it the series would have flopped."
I don't follow that fanbase but there isn't much that disproves what I've been saying on the subject or you would've been an proved it wrong. Whether you like it or not, SOA is the reason Sonic got famous, not SOJ, and while you want to sit here and bash the comics, at least they kept up with their shit for a much longer period then SOJ, which is exactly why you don't like most of the games in the past 10 years, so you don't have much to argue with on that department.

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Rb1996 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-02-02 22:59:23 +0000 UTC]

How exactly are: Focus on dislikes character, Story's that don't interest me or lore that I don't like at all are not reason for me as an individual to dis like huge portion of the comic's and having problems to enjoy the new better contend because of the series continuity with are thing that were undone by the reboot. 
Your inability to accept that not everyone likes what you likes as well as the fact that you seems to have problems to understand that there people that dislike the comics for the contend in them rather then just because there classic sonic fan boys that can't handel changes or serious story lines isn't my problem.
(also if you would pay some attention to what I wrote than would you know that I state picking the book up by the king scourge sage with have about as much to do with the games as Sonic the comic has with sonic X)

You want a reasoning as to why I hate this characters well just for my Fav example and my most hated character in the franchises
King Maximilian Acorn:He is the Guy that wanted to force marry his dauter sally to Antuoan, he is the guy that has always a snob I am a king and stand above all other attitude that I hate in generals and all the more by character that aren't villains and or are in a ruling position, the guy that was never grateful to sonic or the freedom fighter for 

rescue him, his kingdom or the people under his dominion, he is the guy that is so much of a moron that he allowed Robotink an overlander of all people total control over the Acorn military with internes allowed for his take over, he is the guy that can't accept that his royalty is not only inferior the the counsel of knothole but also a huge problem in the long run for the still very weak reformed kingdom of acorn and that are just the thinks that is can thing of the top of my head while most other character that I ether dislike, hate or just not interested in would not have so long reasoning as to the why but I could still say you a basic reason as to why I don't like them.

As I said already The reason I bring up this badly written old issues that are mostly about Romance and political drama  is because the in this old story's introduced lore was until the reboot still rather important to know with means that If you want to have an change in having full enjoyment with this old issues is with the knowledge of what happen in the older issues with means that even long after there were written were there still relevant because there will get referenced frequently.
This in therms lead to me while enjoying the book I could do it to the full extend because I always know that lots of stuff there talking about reverenced older issues with I really don't want to read but most likely have to if I want to understand this and this is another thing that thanks to the reboot is no longer an issues for me. 

You told me to shut up about here"It's fine if you like SOJ more but don't argue in their favor," if you didn't mean it that way okay but that how is felt to me.

You didn't say USA you said SoA and as I have shown to you has Sega of America done nothing to keep thing consisted and also using the Archie canon as prove that America stuck to one concept is rather idiotic because this comic series fluctuate in ton just as much as the games and the games (even if 06 was an attempted reboot) never actually were rebooted there may were some retcons but all in all do the Japanese game continuity has never actually been rested and stayed the same even since 1991 so SoJ has always stucke to the same canon in the games.
And all the other things you just mention were not any worse than SoA handling of sonic in g´the 90 with had 3 deferent TV shows with were in ton and world there there depicted all completely different and a comic that at first tried to be a hybrid of the first 2 and latter then became for like SatAm.


I don't know were you get the idea that I hate the entire series even after I previously already wrote that even since I read the King scourge sage I started to enjoy the comic but I just often had problems with some story's because there constantly have to acknowledge the pre established continuity from older issues that I don't like and so drag the book down. 

1) only because the whine "classic" and "Adventure" fans don't care for the rest doesn't meant that this is the majority 

2) you ask if complainers are now ready to shut up and I despite the fact that I liked most of Ian's stuff even before the reboot was had many things to complaining about the comics (because of its continuity) are now satisfied (minus angel island being still in the sky because the fact that no one seems to get this right is one of the main reason why people don't get that in the games continuity angel island isn't flying anymore since at least sa1 finally)
Also now bringing up my problems with SatAm robotnik with has nothing to do with any of this but telling me in your last comment to not go Offtopic the hypocrisy is real.


Kind of hard tp prove you wrong given that the only way I could would by looking in an alternate dimension in with only change was that SoJ stayed in control for the Project sonic in the 90s with is kind of impossible. The best thing I would have that a more Japaneses sonic would be just as successful as under SoA's re-writes would be that sonic X not only is the longest running sonic cartoon but also was that popular in America that season 3 was only made on 4Kids request because the series was a hot seller.
The SoJ of today is really not to be compared to the ones in the times before colors because most of the people that know how a sonic games and or story have to look like were gone by the point Colors was released. 

So I hope I didn't miss anything after having to write this a second time.
   

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pokehero9 In reply to Rb1996 [2017-02-11 22:10:32 +0000 UTC]

really why did everyone thought that sega was going cancel the comic series  

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to XObed9876X [2015-12-22 21:30:52 +0000 UTC]

Actually,  I though they were too busy having orgasms our of small moments in boom.

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Ivan-ElTerrible [2015-08-20 17:48:31 +0000 UTC]

Chris from Sonic X? He doesn't have shit to do with the series. Anyway, look at it for yourself: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdV4q…
This was before the reboot though.

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Ivan-ElTerrible In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2015-08-25 16:41:18 +0000 UTC]

I would have created a better human friend for the hedgehog and with a better story.

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to rwa96 [2015-07-21 03:11:27 +0000 UTC]

I might have been better had the games at least adapted from the comics, the same way the comics adapted from Satam. Looking at how Sally was on of the original flickies in the first game, was in Spinball, was suppose to be in Sonic CD, and changed to Amy, who wasn't an offical character at all, and was suppose to be in the satam based game, it might've been the case. Not saying the games should be exactly like the comics, but share it's mythos. It's what Fleetway does, it's like the games, but has it's own mytho's and characters. The games themselves have hardly had a direction, and the one Sega tried with Colors and now, has only made Sonic less appealing.

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Rb1996 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-01-22 12:52:29 +0000 UTC]

I don't know if you were corrected on this before BUT sally was never suppose to be in CD that in the manual was nothing but a attempt from SoA to tie the game to SatAm and the developers of CD were most likely not even aware of the existent of Sally and Amy being from an official Licence Manga was just as much of an official character as Sally. And no the small animal is not the sally it was just the Dub name for the species that is known as the Ricky and When Dic prepared there more serious sonic series and wanted to have a lager character cast did there just take some inspiration from the renamed Ricky.

Also Why should the games the Source malarial adapt the comics mythos(especially when there 2 completely different ongoing series existed at the same time plus 2 other really different and more well known Cartoon series are running (AoStH and SU)
Not to mention that Archie comics it limited to America only while the Sonic the Comic were out side of England not only really published but were also limited to Europe at best.  

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Rb1996 [2017-01-23 00:38:09 +0000 UTC]

Yes, SoA attempted to tie in the game with Satam, so that still means there was a plan on their part to do something to that effect, where SOJ just bought Amy from a Manga that as far as I've seen, wasn't licensed. Even if Amy is as much as an official character then Sally, there why still replace Sally with a character we didn't know if you want to make the same argument for the games taking the comics material? Correct me if I'm wrong but you and many others had no problem with the games taking on material SOJ just thought up on the fly. So because Satam/Archie is "American", it's better suited to take something from Japan even though they hardly established anything that stuck with the narrative and kept changing the series to what we ended up with now? This is the exact reason I prefer the U.S. material over Japanese, they actually gave a shit and stuck with it, and not just come up with it on the fly for us to just accept. Even Fleetway comic did a better job at this then Japan overall.

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Rb1996 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-01-23 17:16:07 +0000 UTC]

I highly daub that a high profile manga anthology like the one in with the sonic manga was published would have taken a manga about a Licence character if there didn't have to Licence to do so.

Also why should sally just be allowed to tie into the games but Amy not?

When have amy ever replaced Sally Sega of Japan didn't even know about this character existent so the Cd team with was a Japanese one also didn't know about Sally and just thought that adding a female character like amy from the manga in would be cute and would allow them to to give sonic an extra reason to fight metal sonic.
And if you mean why she has become the main female in the series instead of Sally well that easy because she was designed as the one true love for sonic and Naka hated the idea that sonic would be in a stable relation ship and when it seams like she would finally enter the games extrem got cancelt and Soj from with a huge chunk still didn't even know that this character exited got the complete control over the franchise back.
Also Amy and Sally originating both from the year 1992 so saying that we already fully known one (from a non canon cartoon and the other one with originated from a also non canon manga) than this seam really wrong.

Because this is how new stuff is often make do you know how on the fly the plot for extrem would have been there like 8 different prototype versions of what would have happen. Archie comics makes most of there plots (with the occasionally long theme build up with is in a game with is suppose to tell its plot in just this one game not so possible)

Hell no the American canon stock to nothing there were 3 totally different TV shows the comics with while SatAm Inspirit were more some weird fusion of the first 2 Tv series the manuell and the Sonic bible and all of this at the same time and nothing of this works together with each other while the Japan's canon was consistent from sonic 1 till Shadow the hedgehog and form the 3 non canon material to came From Japanese were with the exceptions of the 2 very short lived manga's everything closer to the games then and of the stuff the the 3 dic tv series did. And the problems caused by 06 failure the and whine fanboys brought us in the situation were all sides of Sega are only ether dick-riding the classics or are "LOL SANIC iS 4 Da Kiz HoW All Love BIgthe CaD MEMES". 

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Rb1996 [2017-01-24 21:42:15 +0000 UTC]

"I highly daub that a high profile manga anthology like the one in with the sonic manga was published would have taken a manga about a Licence character if there didn't have to Licence to do so.
Also why should sally just be allowed to tie into the games but Amy not?"
Then why did SOJ have to buy Amy then if they owned the Manga? And when did I say Amy shouldn't be allowed? Sally and the rest of the freedom fighters were featured in Sonic Spinball without them having to be bought, oh wait, they were already owned.

"When have amy ever replaced Sally Sega of Japan didn't even know about this character existent so the Cd team with was a Japanese one also didn't know about Sally and just thought that adding a female character like amy from the manga in would be cute and would allow them to to give sonic an extra reason to fight metal sonic."
This goes towards the fact that SOJ started stepping in and trying to take control of Sega after getting pissed off at their success. Sally may have been put into the manual to get support from Satam fans at the time, but I had read she was Amy was used as a replacement, though I can't find it now.

"And if you mean why she has become the main female in the series instead of Sally well that easy because she was designed as the one true love for sonic and Naka hated the idea that sonic would be in a stable relation ship and when it seams like she would finally enter the games extrem got cancelt and Soj from with a huge chunk still didn't even know that this character exited got the complete control over the franchise back.
Also Amy and Sally originating both from the year 1992 so saying that we already fully known one (from a non canon cartoon and the other one with originated from a also non canon manga) than this seam really wrong."
So you pretty much prove my theory that SOJ, in this case Naka, were against the idea of Sally. You say SOJ didn't know who she was yet they own Sonic, so why wouldn't they know when SOA were the ones who made the changes and made Sonic famous? Again, you still try to deny that Amy was never and official character and SOJ bought her.

"Because this is how new stuff is often make do you know how on the fly the plot for extrem would have been there like 8 different prototype versions of what would have happen. Archie comics makes most of there plots (with the occasionally long theme build up with is in a game with is suppose to tell its plot in just this one game not so possible)"
I don't know where people get this idiotic idea that a game adaption of the comics would need to cram everything in one game, when its obvious they could be based on a single arc or 2, especially with Sonic Universe and other past spin-offs being published on the side.

"Hell no the American canon stock to nothing there were 3 totally different TV show"
The Archie canon dude, and Underground was made by both the U.S. and France to be an advertisement for Sonic Adventure. The Archic comic used elements form the first 2 cartoons and kept up with them for almost 2 decades, a hell of a lot longer then anything Japan did. They may have done 1 cartoon aside from the OVA but not only was half of it based on the games, but made Sonic a lot less cooler.

"From Japanese were with the exceptions of the 2 very short lived manga's everything closer to the games then and of the stuff the the 3 dic tv series did."
And the Japanese changed the games so how much does that matter now? This doesn't change the fact that the US. stuck to a similar or same formula they had for a much longer period. Being closer to the games or not, which the Japanese strayed from already.

"And the problems caused by 06"
I know the problem caused by 06, and if anything, caused by Sonic haters and fanboys pissed over Shadow, 06 was still a success. Doesn't change the fact that SOJ was still responsible for that and not sticking to what they were doing.

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Rb1996 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-01-24 23:11:17 +0000 UTC]

I want to see some prove from you about this Amy was bought thing because I have never heard that ever before.

What are you talking about First all big sub part of sega operated individually and CD was made by a Japanese team a team that had no idea what America was doing and just wanted to make a sonic 2 (its just that the actual sonic 2 was finished earlier and so the project was ported to be the big game for the upcoming Sega CD)
And what ever you read there was just wrong as I said multiple times now the CD team didn't know Sally even existed (not to mention that CD was long in Development as sally first appearance happend and information back then didn't passe the ocean as fast as to day so there was no way that there would have known about her) so how would there want to put a Character in the game if there didn't even know this Character even exist.

Well It is true That Naka hated nearly everything SoA was doing and he could do very little about it because the CEO of SoJ gives them the right to do what ever there want as long as it would allow them to crush Nintendo ot was the commercial fail of the Saturn in America and the fact that Sega Technical instituted didn't get Sonic Extrem ready that lead to SoJ getting the control back because over the 32bit era did SoA so bad there the higher ups lost trust in them.
Also to Make the changes that make sonic famose What the fuck all of this supposedly changes were done ether by Dic or By archie because both mostly ignored the translated manual and all of the sonic bible from SoA completely the only big thing that there did that stick for them most part in the 90 was that Sonic would have a mohawke (with even Archie would drop rather early and go instead with the in game designe) And that there whole marketing was basically look how much better then Nintendo we are (with would bit them in the ass as sone as the Ps1 did what genesis don't)
And as said prior prove to me that Sega needed to bought her prior I don't believe you in that.

You completely misses the point it was about you telling that SoJ just comes up with random new stuff that we have to except and all I said you don't say that is how new story are made and the some stuff was Archie doing was well or do you want to say that the revelation that Mobios is a do to alien terraformed earth with mutated animals didn't come out of fucking no were and we as the readers were just to accept this retcon.

First of all just to say the Japanese have changed the games is racist as fuck second You do know that its a lot easier to fiance a comic book than a video game the Archie comics had also massive ton swings from AoStH to SatAm over teen melodrama with a huge focus on relationships and a lot of Echidna glorification to the more to the games post 160 to the just like the games post 252 While the ton (going from the Japanese manuals) in the games never varied as much as the Archie comics before 06 Crashed the Drama side of the Francise and even then was it not until 2010 that a massive ton shift happend and technical is all of this even the post 06 era still canon with all that come before so there seam pretty even.
Also with makes you the ultimate judge in therms of cool I find Sonic X sonic way cooler then this self loving moron from the 3 Dic cartoons.

Did I even deny that 06  and shadow were commercial successes? 

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rwa96 In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2015-07-21 03:18:19 +0000 UTC]

I can agree, Colors is my least favorite game, and it would have been a little interesting to see some SatAM lore in the games. Though, Generations tried to at least tie in continuity, and Fleetway already brings some stuff from the games (like the Sega of America's scrapped origin). Though the mythos are lacking, I like the mythos from the adevnture games, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Unleashed.

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to EmperorMinilla [2014-11-18 21:17:37 +0000 UTC]

Well not all of it, but a good portion of it. At least the writing is still good.

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timelordeternal In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2018-11-11 18:44:03 +0000 UTC]

Anyone who thinks that any type of Sonic universe is cool is dumber than a sack of hammers

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EmperorMinilla In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2014-11-19 08:38:38 +0000 UTC]

I just say that because when compared to the games and tv series, the universe of the comics was far more unique due to the vast amount of different characters, story arcs, character interactions, locations, and just the whole thing in general. Yeah, it may not be all good but when compared to the games... the games haven't even scratched the surface .

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to lightyearpig [2014-10-15 17:40:31 +0000 UTC]

I've heard. If there's any chance that it changes this reboot from being like the games, I'm all for it.

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Wastelands-Knight [2014-09-02 18:06:19 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. We didn't lose the comics but they took a huge hit and lost some of what made it so good, but at least the good writing stayed. I also have this meme up as well: psyco-the-frog.deviantart.com/…

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Camunon [2014-08-20 18:09:34 +0000 UTC]

Pretty much this. If anything, they could've gone and still made a completely different canon then restrict themselves to the games. I don't know if this has anything to do with Sega or Archie making the mistake of listening to trolls on the internet who condemned the comics for not being like the games.

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Camunon In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2014-08-21 02:22:43 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, they really could have just started a new comic series that followed the games strictly.
But the thing is that SEGA was pressing archie to follow the games strictly for a long time, and when that whole legal isse with penders happened, archie had lost the right to a lot of characters crucial to the story, and SEGA took advantage of that to press harder then ever.
And then, the crossover with megaman served as a setup for the reboot.

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Camunon [2014-08-21 07:18:24 +0000 UTC]

So wait, I knew Sega had rules and mandates but they actually been pushing for Sonic to be like the games, and for a long time even? I knew something had to be up, Sega of Japan is just dirty like that. Damn dude, what Sega of America knew was that cool is different in other regions, that's why Japan had their shit, where Sonic was never popular, Sonic was cooler and had attitude here in the states, and the Fleetway comics in Europe was based more on the games but still with their own content, and Sonic being a straight up dick(Which I had no problem with). It really seems like SOJ is trying to force they're version of Sonic on the rest of us, which is easier to do since they have more power(while running the company into the ground to begin with), and them only going off internet opinion, and the loudest are mainly made up of hardcore Nintendo fanboys who have no idea of what cool is and want Sonic to be something he isn't, easily seen how the first 3D games were bashed for not being like the classics, yet Colors and Lost World get praised(and bad sales).
But enough about that though, I think you may get some idea of what I mean by SOJ if you read this: conflictingviews.wordpress.com…
But yeah, the bit about Sega wanting the comics to be more like the games is news to me, which confuses me now because Fleetway, as I mentioned, was more like the games, but Sega didn't seem to give a shit about it, though the cool factor may play a key role.

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Camunon In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2014-08-21 15:09:01 +0000 UTC]

Well, im almost sure that it was SEGA of america, since archie is not a japanese publisher

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Camunon [2014-08-21 17:20:56 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, that's too convenient, not to mention SOA barely has any power at all. I can consider it a possibility but they themselves have nothing to gain from it, plus, that destroys their own version of Sonic in the first place. It doesn't make sense to me, but it could possible, I just can't trust SOJ, at all.

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Camunon In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2014-08-22 01:37:45 +0000 UTC]

Well, from what i was told, the thing about the comics is that people looked at the comics (with their completely different canon and stuff) and said "what is this, this is not sonic". (at least supposedly. but y'know, i can believe that)
so sega started pressing archie to make it more similar to the games and all.

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to Camunon [2014-08-22 21:11:38 +0000 UTC]

Well I know people said that, that's what the meme is about, but now that I think about it, I do remember hearing that SOA had a Japanese guy in charge, but I forget if it was a certain department or the branch itself, but there's still some influence from SOJ in some way. I mean, Sonic X wasn't like the games until they directly the SA1 and 2 saga's but the seasons before and after weren't.

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Camunon In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2014-08-22 23:21:41 +0000 UTC]

that's true. i personally liked all the space arcs in sonic x. i just wish they had explored more of the dark sonic concept before ending the anime. it just has so much potential, and neither SEGAs want to use it. At least archie is doing something similar with the werehog right now. But it's still not the same thing =/

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Psyco-The-Frog In reply to ChickaruPocket [2014-08-18 20:53:31 +0000 UTC]

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