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Because everyone knows the USMC is better then the US Army lol... Just a compilation of sketches. Lav-27 will be in the comic, as a LAV-7 police variant.Seriously though, the USMC is one of the best fighting forces in RS; or, at least the most mobile. The USMC infantry are based around the M8A2 rifle, a highly modified XM8. It fires a 6.8x43mm round, which mixes the accuracy and range of the 5.56x45 with the stopping power of the 7.62x51. The M8A2 also features a picatinny rail system which the XM8 lacked. Still, for the most part, the standard red dot reflex sight found on the G36 and XM8 are still used. (Squad leaders and Fire Team leaders usually have some form of 4x optic instead) The M8A2 comes in a heavy barrel sniper version, which is not used by the USMC and another heavy barrel Squad automatic version which is to replace the M27 Automatic Rifle (the venerable M249 and M240 Bravo are still in service as of 2050, highly upgraded of course). The M320's on the M8A2 are connected to the Headgear Subsystem (FFW).
The Headgear subsystem was originally found on NA War era Marines and Army soldiers. The exact same system was employed on WW3 era Marines and Army soldiers. It works very much like the AWE system used by Canadian soldiers, giving soldiers increased situational awareness, a 180 degree view, while a map also gives soldiers 360 degree view and a constantly updated view of all known friendlies and enemies as well as zones marked for artillery, air strikes and orbital strikes.
The Scorpion Ceramic is also very much like the Canadian COFW, but the American system better protects the lower stomach and groin area. The large piece around the ribcage gives full protection from fragmentation artillery and grenades as well as small arms fire. The lower section is not quite as strong, but it is very effective against small arms fire and is usually good against grenades at a decent distance. Scorpion Ceramic is modular similar to COFW, but not to the same degree. When fully armoured, it is also heavier then COFW.
When is this uniform, soldiers are also fully protected against nuclear/biological attacks, meaning the soldiers don't have to rush into bio warfare suits. Of course, armour doesn't need to worry about bio attacks...
The tank pictured here is th American M12A1 Westmoreland. It replaced the M2A4 MacArthur, a problematic design from the 2020's. The Westmoreland features a Cold Fusion reactor, being on the of the first tanks to run solely on the new type of energy. It is capable of 60mp/h a fairly large jump from the Abrams (40) and MacArthur (35). From an armour standpoint, the Westmoreland is essentially unchanged from the tank it replaced. It features depleted uranium, then ceramic, and then liquid reactive steel plates. It also features the same gun as the MacArthur, a 155mm smoothbore canon. In Korea during WW3, Westmoreland's effectively replaced field artillery and howitzers for the USMC. Just one more thing adding to the Americans superior mobility.
Adding to this are the Lav-27 (immediately below the Westmoreland), the USMC's main APC, and the M6A2 Lopez, the Army's IVF. The Lav-27 is essentially the same as the Canadian LAV-7, but without the liquid reactive steel plates, those being replaced by older and lighter ERA. The Canadian Lav-7 uses a 27 mm Mauser while the Lav-27 uses a GAU-9 30mm. Similar to the LAV-7, both come standard with SLAT armor (the bars rapping around the tank).
The M6A2 Lopez, named after a Unit 731 sniper and Medal of Honor recipitant from the NA War, is an APC based of the Israeli Namer IFV. The M6A2 is the same design, but different, lighter, more modern, materials. This makes it much better for an expeditionary force, or for fighting in bad terrain. Unlike the M2 Bradley it replaced, the M6A2 can be used in amphibious landings, using the same system as the Sheridan tank, the only other American tank or APC (aside from the AAV-7A1) capable of safely crossing large bodies of water without modifications. Of course, calling the M6A2 simply an APC is almost insulting. These can also be used as tank busters, launching MBGM-79 (modified AGM-98 missiles) missiles. These can be fired from 10 km and accurately hit a target, giving it 6 km over the standard 4 km engagement range of most MBT's. It's main gun, a 30mm (the same as the one the Lav-27) is also extremely effective against tanks as well as any other targets.
Well, Semper Fi!
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Comments: 76
Ravajava In reply to ??? [2011-12-13 12:31:40 +0000 UTC]
I rarely comment on your stuff, and when I do it's a compliment and never turns into an argument... unless you accuse me of wanting to steal it randomly.
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-12-13 02:36:24 +0000 UTC]
Wouldn't know, tell me when you find out.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-13 02:37:38 +0000 UTC]
I can tell what serving in the 1st MEU was like although short
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-12-13 02:42:09 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for being my ugly hat!
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cpi [2011-09-20 03:49:29 +0000 UTC]
I'm feeling lightheaded all of this fluff, all of this content, is so incredibly heady
I LOVE IT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE WORLDBUILD!! Especially when they Worldbuild in a realistic/near-realistic manner
How heavy is the Scorpion Ceramic armour?
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-09-20 03:58:46 +0000 UTC]
I have a lot of info, but this isn't my best drawings
But, I love people who are interested in to all of this stuff, so here goes.
So, COFW weighs 12 ibs basic, 17-20 ibs fully loaded.
Ceramic plates are a thicker material then the liquid plates, so basic is wil be around 15 ibs. Wearing everything you possible can will be almost 30 ibs. On the flip side though, most American weapons are lighter. They use Assault rifles, Canadians use Battle rifles. Between the weapon being considerably heavier and the ammunition being heavier, it evens out.
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cpi In reply to Ravajava [2011-09-21 05:50:30 +0000 UTC]
For me, when it comes to art, I love the flaws and imperfections It personalizes the art for me. I love flaws and imperfections when it comes to Art, especially when the artist is honest about it. I draw the line when it comes to Photoshop in those regards though. Anyway.
30 pounds for a full loadout? Wow, that's awesome I bet it provides an excellent balance of mobility and protection, without having too sacrifice too much of one or the other
Is there a particular ceramic that you've chosen for the Plates? and for the Liquid Plates, I imagine they're a impact-reactive dilutant(shear-thickening fluid)?
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-09-21 19:53:36 +0000 UTC]
Well, there is a lot to respect in that first statement.
Well, that's for an average patrol or assault. If they are marching to enforce a position, and not expecting combat, they will carry the appropriate equipment. And with all of the advances in technology, you can't make a shovel, sleeping bag or medical equipment much lighter
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cpi In reply to Ravajava [2011-09-21 20:44:18 +0000 UTC]
And I see what you mean. It makes sense that when they're not expecting equipment that the weight of their gear would be in proportion to what they're doing. And you've got a point there in regards to lighter tech. Didja hear about one of the recent medical advancements in regards to replacing hypodermic needles?
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cpi In reply to Ravajava [2011-09-21 21:25:51 +0000 UTC]
Incredible Shrinking Shot Needles Get Pain Free Makeover There's other really cool medical tech that they've been coming out with lately Like RhinoChill, which uses liquid nitrogen in small doses, in order to keep the brain from dying due to brain trauma.
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-09-21 21:34:37 +0000 UTC]
That's the problem with Sci-Fi. Your idea of the future can only be the future for so long. And as I do research, I find that a lot of my science fiction stuff is a lot closer then I think. The whole eye enhancement is one of those things. Then I find out that they are already looking in to those in Australia. Of course, on the flip side, transportation isn't getting much better...
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cpi In reply to Ravajava [2011-09-21 21:41:13 +0000 UTC]
Indeed. I'm not overtly concerned with being outdated with tech and concepts, as long as its point it out so that others know. Its a tricky thing. Nevertheless, techheads and gear monkeys like me enjoy this stuff, outdated or not and most definitely in regards to transportation. They might be improving car tech left and right, but I still want a personal helicopter that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg.
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-09-21 22:25:41 +0000 UTC]
That would be nice. There is a flying school not to far from my house... perhaps one day...
I'm pretty pessimistic though regarding the technology of future, which comes through in RS. While a lot of digital technology and computers is really advanced, the cyberpunk influence, the only thing to really advance along with it was the Government. Which is a lot better then it is now. But even the military equipment here is just the perfection of equipment designed between the 70-90's
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cpi In reply to Ravajava [2011-10-09 20:38:35 +0000 UTC]
Sounds reasonable I enjoy it when someone makes those distinctions and clarifications in their works
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-10-10 00:42:25 +0000 UTC]
Well, that's good.
Oh, a friend of mine and myself are actually writing a new sci-fi. If you want to check out... [link]
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cpi In reply to Ravajava [2011-10-31 18:03:34 +0000 UTC]
I shall and I have I sense the great potential for this
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-10-31 18:42:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, we actually have 3 chapters written... but my American counterpart who I'm writing this with has disappeared...
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Ravajava In reply to cpi [2011-11-19 04:00:50 +0000 UTC]
Yeah... makes a cooperative project quite difficult...
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Dearly-Loved [2011-07-03 02:57:17 +0000 UTC]
I like the Marines a lot but none is better than the other. We both serve the same purpose just different ways of doing it
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Ravajava In reply to Dearly-Loved [2011-07-03 03:27:12 +0000 UTC]
Well, yes, of course. But the Marines are usually seen as a faster force, which is useful in the RS universe. Of course, the Army still has a purpose and they often work together.
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Dearly-Loved In reply to Ravajava [2011-07-08 03:53:54 +0000 UTC]
Im Army and my little brother is Marine and i honestly was so close to going that route but I just was led to Army.
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DarkProxy [2011-06-27 23:35:33 +0000 UTC]
Ah the lav25 is going to be replaced with the MAPC and is that a Namer IFV with turret on it. I also noticed you took my opinion on the M2 tank into consideration
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 02:43:12 +0000 UTC]
Well, I highly doubt the MPC (not MAPC, unless we are on totally different tracks) would be in service in 2050. And there are a lot of similarities, but the body has many visual differences as well. It's also held higher off the ground then the Namer. All the other differences are already mentioned. Really, the Namer is the base. Sort of similar to the MOWAG Piranha and the Lav-3
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 14:39:00 +0000 UTC]
MAPC was used as I don't know what you knew about it. I also noticed the m3 tank resemblance. if the Namer was the base I doubt it would be good for the USMC as it's meant to be like an army unit
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 19:44:01 +0000 UTC]
Well, I failed to mention there is just a combined US Armed forces. The Marines and Army are just branches, but they have to be able to act in each others role. Hence, the Army has LHA's, Lav-27's and so on.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 19:47:14 +0000 UTC]
I see Although that is not the way it works they fly in or roll in not storm beaches not since Normandy
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 19:54:18 +0000 UTC]
Well, until the NA War showed that because they were specialized, the Canadians and the Nationalists just had to play to the weakness of the unit they were fighting. For example, the Army is a lot stronger up front, but they are slow and easy to flank. They don't have any fast moving ground vehicles and for there infantry loaded with high tech equipment. The Marines are faster, but there equipment is on par or worse then the Canadian counterpart, so a head on attack would be easier then trying to out maneuver them. So the Nationalist government, not wanting to make the old administrations mistakes, mixed them so they could complete any role needed.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 20:02:47 +0000 UTC]
SO no Strykers or Asymmetric warfare detachments in RS the ones that can fight guerrillas or be guerillas. Canada has no marines which is where the UK comes in but they have an airborne. Since the USA stop doing heavy lift for the UN in 1991 and never supported the UK in the falklands are argentines no national tragedy occurred to end your airborne units
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 20:12:09 +0000 UTC]
Strikers are for the modern defense environment where your not about to get in a huge tank battle across the Eastern European countryside. In RS, where that (or something similar) is a likely possibility, a Stryker MGS would be a bad idea. A regular Striker would be more likely, but they would be as easy a kill for a Lav-27 as a JLTV. Hence, Lav-7's are used because they can defend themselves, unlike a Stryker.
Canada's regular Army is actual more like a Marine force (it's squad are structured the same as the USMC for example) then an Army in every category. While all the same, they also will have the heavier capabilities of an army by the mid way point of this decade (by adding vehicles such as the PzH2000 and CV-90).
And CSOR is our Airborne. Well, they are essentially the same, just better trained then the old Airborne.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 20:22:43 +0000 UTC]
Ah the Stryker is better protected then a heavier LAV3. Also how did you change the NA war again? In it still seems poorly investigated also wouldn't your airborne forces suffer from a USA cut off and constant blockades anyway my story for Canada is little better invested the older tech is used as cannon fodder while the new stuff acts as the defense and in dedicated assaults
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 20:41:18 +0000 UTC]
Lav-27's have 0% commonality in parts or design. The Lav-3 is a modified Swiss MOWAG Piranha designed by General Dynamics Canada, the Lav-27 is a modified VBCI by BAE and Rhienmetall Canada. One has an M242, the other has a 27mm Mauser. The Lav-27 also has similar crossbow mounts to the C3. In, they are different beasts.
Well, the NA War, as I said, is totally different since you left. I acted on a lot of Kozloff's suggestions to make it appeal to an American crowd more. It's a revolution supported by Canada, not a war between the two countries. But we Canadian's have the supplies and production capabilities for a far larger military then we actually have. Canada supplied itself and the Nationalists until the Nationalists managed to get enough military equipment to support themselves.
Smith has never been one to send units off to die. Lav-3's, Leopard C2's (modifed Leopard 1's) and CF-188's were used, but only in reserve and far behind the front line.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 20:49:46 +0000 UTC]
Well if you don't sacrifice some men then the local police could handle Canada's psuedo invasion the GG wants results and farmland food factories and reactors to keep canadas populace fed on real food and not rations remember my canada has no growing season it snows till late June and starts in late July
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 23:09:16 +0000 UTC]
Canadian history 101. After proudly being canon fodder for the British along with the Aussies for nearly 100 years, we decided that we would never use soldiers in that role ever again. Hence, Smith, is acting on the same emotion that lead to us having an independent military instead of being an extension of the British Army. Smith turns to devastating artillery strikes and air raids before ever using his men. Historically, all of Canada's greatest victories have relied on artillery and smart defensive infantry tactics, not dangerous ruses and suicide tactics, so why would it change in the NA War?
And we are talking about the RS Canada, which strives on the fact that it has more natural resources then any country in the world short of Africa, and has a small population (44 million) that is doing pretty well considering the circumstance. Heck, the Ottawa valley alone could healthy feed the entire country, much less Saskatchewan's wheat and the fish in the maritimes/BC area. Canada's interesting in RS because everyone wants a piece of it, similar to Australia.
Of course, 2032 was a bad year (snow from September to May... but part of the Wartimes Act (which was used in WW1, WW2 and the October Crisis) automatically puts the country on rations (of course, rationing was not put into effect during the October Crisis), so in the NA War, people were put on rations regardless of the actual food situation, which was not effected heavily. But in Cold River, it doesn't snow until December 25th, and it melts by March. Canada has a helter skelter environment.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 23:30:19 +0000 UTC]
Yeah 101 change as of 2018 see with the meglomanic of a GG and a desperate UK losing control of the commonwealth sort of bribed it canadian friend with German euros to regain the commonwealth as such canada has first dib on australian food. Also my war is the North American expansion war Montana was annexed same as maine. The USA decide to take Canadas oil from it just because it seemed fair plus the Canadian airborne did go rape crazy althought he USA did blockade the nation 3 times before it's in the timeline
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-28 23:44:01 +0000 UTC]
Commonwealth isn't really anything beyond the countries the left the British Empire peacefully (and two countries who were former French colonies who decided to join so they could be more noticed on an International scale). All we really do is promote democracy and human rights... but we don't have any military ties with any of the members unless they are already NATO or a NATO partner nation. Each member is equal, that was the whole point. So the UK couldn't really "lose control" of something they don't control.
And two Airborne guys got angry and went on a rampage because they were angry they could do nothing for there American friends who were killed. I can't see why an American would dislike them for that...
And really, I'm talking about RS and you bring a totally different timeline in to the discussion?
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-28 23:54:08 +0000 UTC]
Sorry although their is common wealth security act which filled the gap NATO left and with the USA supporting argentine in 1982 who would win it?
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-29 00:08:31 +0000 UTC]
With 51 members, we are too different. Pakistan and Canada are not about to get in any military alliances in any timeline. And if they didn't want in, we wouldn't waist our breath getting India, South Africa and the like to join in. (South Africa alone could take decades, don't even get me started on India, Jesus, we would probably even lose) Really, you'd just have Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zealand. Europe would be Communist (a British channel, it may have been Sky Tv or something, did a documentary on a world in which the US didn't repair Europe after WW2, you should watch it) and the UK would stand idly by while the USSR, several decades ahead of the US in tech, invaded. So, that's it pretty much... So the Falklands probably would have never happened. Russia would have dealt with Spain and Argentina long before then.
Let's suggest the US supported Argentina in the real world...
Well, if the US supported Argentina, things would get out of hand pretty damn quick. And we are forgetting the USSR and Cuba would love to play mind games with the confusion and loss of trust as well. The US would lose considerable presence in Europe, because the UK would kick the US off the island, along with there nuclear defense bases. The UK would have still won, it would have just taken longer. They would have left NATO, actually, "NATO" would really just be the German-America alliances since France had already left in the 60's (I believe) And the Cold War would have taken a path for the worse.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-29 00:22:34 +0000 UTC]
You honestly think the UK would be able to last against the us in 1982 or f14s would be unchallenged the vulcans wouldnt be able to make a round trip and the UK would be reeling
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-29 00:30:26 +0000 UTC]
Oh, full out military engagement? That would be a different bird. NATO falling apart from the inside? Sounds like the USSR is the only real winner. Yeah, Russia would just pick up the scraps of what was left after a few years fighting between the Americans and the British. Doesn't sound like that would be a good plan. Of course, that is the most unlikely scenario in history. It's like the Brits and the Russians teaming up with Libya in the 80's to take on France and the US, just doesn't make sense.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-29 01:46:28 +0000 UTC]
It does if britian doesnt decolonialize like Fdr said plus most thing in my story line involve the ira escalating after 91 in all the UK and USa start turning after nationalism takes over the USA the babyboomers loved the UK so it makes sense to destroy as much of the babyboomer frame work free trade oil industry and them like
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Ravajava In reply to DarkProxy [2011-06-29 02:03:26 +0000 UTC]
Well Mr., you said FDR was over glamorized. And Britain has lost most of their colonies that could act independently. South George and the South Sandwich Islands could act as independently as, say, Guam...
The IRA was cooked. As soon as the UK turned on, they would be gone in a few days. Same as the FLQ. If they had managed to complete their objectives in the October Crisis, we would have crushed them anyway.
babyboomers, for all of their problems also gave you everything the US currently has. Heck, I would not be talking to you via internet if it weren't for them.
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DarkProxy In reply to Ravajava [2011-06-29 02:16:40 +0000 UTC]
Yeah well the Ira killed the queen
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