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Rebmakash — Engulfing Ruins
Published: 2005-10-10 05:34:53 +0000 UTC; Views: 1561; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 51
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The art to another cover for the comic project WAS doing, and I finally got to upload. (Thankfully I had the foresight to throw art onto a CD). Cover 5, Ghosts of the Past, sans text )check my scraps for that).Fun stuff first, then my long rant about how a fellow artist's rights were violated here.
Fun stuff: When offered originally to do this cover, I knew immediately I wanted to reference Disney's Atlantis: the Lost Empire in some way, especially since I suspect it was Ecco that inspired my love for that movie (Powerful crystals, alien being(s), Atlantis, strange creatures...) So by the end, I decided to do it as close to the same posterized, angular style as the movie, "Disnola." Disnola is a style descibed as being a cross between the style of Disney and comic artist Mike Mignola. And so we have it.
But sadly, no one will ever see the fruits of Okura's dedication to GTK's story.
Let me tell you why.DevaintArt and a couple people, one in particular, ruining it for everyone.
Okura noted that one of teh best Ecco Fanfictions, written by GTK, was often overlooked because of it's large size. In effort to get it more recognition, he decided to make a comic version to honor it. He tried to contact GTK for permission, but sadly to no avail. GTK didn't respond at all. However, Okura's dedication remained true, and he went ahead with it, being careful to credit the author.
But a few people raised heck about it, complaining so much that Dev, in order to pacify them, asked him to remove the comics entirely.
Now, Dev will let people TRACE other pictures so long as the original artist is credited. Tracing, a direct copy... And yet this is Okura's interpritation of the story, not a direct copy. Sounds nicer to me. It's more original, and Okura still credited the original author.
Now, if anyone can explain to me how tracing (with credit) but without permission can be allowed, but not this, please do so. I believe DeviantArt, as well as those people who ruined the project, are out of line.
Oh, and if people want to raise heck about the versions of the covers I've been putting up, good luck. I'd love to know how you can copyright the shark and anglerfish designs here to GTK. If anyone owns the anglerfish design, it's Okura, since that's what it was based on, and the shark's only similarity is teh black tipped fins. All else is owned by Sega.
Biased? Perhaps I am, but I think Okura's been violated. This is my own personal protest. Now, do we have to abide by DA's rules? Of course, we use their services. But they should abide by their own rules.
Story copyright GTK, Anglerfish design by Okura, Ecco and this version of Atlantis copyright Sega.
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I totally agree that Okura's rights were violated
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Pretty cool, I guess they all are friends.
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I've actually read GTK's fanfiction in fact i have the story saved onto a cd so i can read it over and over again. like the artwork by the way.
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Thanks. Too bad the project went down the tubes, though, thanks to controversy.
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hmm.....it sounds like Okura's comics were truly fan art, and should not have been taken down. fan art is fan art, it isn't theft, so....erk...=.= stuff like this drives me nuts, can no one get down from their high horse and enjoy other peoples interpretations on things? if Okura wants to make a comic version of that story, who can say no?? its clearly fan art, at least in my opinion. And like Reb said, how come people who draw owned characters are allowed to keep their art up, but Okura gets nailed? :\ somethings wrong with that. If someone were to CLEARLY without a doubt prove there was wrong-doing, we might all understand why, but I have seen no such evidence as of yet.
I mean, seriosly, there are TONS of ecco fanarts here, no one complains. example: [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] .....I could go on, and on.
if fan art was theft, why is there a FANART category? O_o......=.=; fan art can be anything, even a comic version of a written original......oy. well, I think may have ranted ._.;
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Ranted, yes, but taht's what I did too. 
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Woah Dude you I don't see lot of Ecco Fanart around here. Very cool. Very neat thign ya got going here. Keep it up.
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What is that supposed to mean? 
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er... what do you think it's supposed to mean?
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I get a vague idea what all of you are talking about, but I agree with Reb and Okura. I've been e-mail pals with Reb for a very long time, and since she's older than me and know's more, unless she's wrong, I'm siding with her. You want to hit her or Okura, you're gonna have to get all three of us.
There's NOTHING wrong with fanart as long as you post credit. I believe the same thing as Reb. How do you think people write fanficition?!? How do you think they do parodies or flash videos or the like?? How do you think your friends make funny Star Wars jokes over the phone?
There's a point, as Reb said. I would let her draw any of my spaceships and characters hands down as long as she gave credit to who got the idea in the first place and as who made them. I'm sure she would do the same.
I rest my case.
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According to da's posted rules, tracing, in part or whole, of another's work is not allowed. I questioned the helpdesk and found out that you can, however, trace your own work.
Most of the traced/stolen works are not removed because of the manner in which they were reported.
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Interesting, that's not what I've been hearing and seeing,
Please, then, tell us how they should be reported.
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The report should be highly detailed, and aimed to inform them of the theft, not to complain about it. It's really the same for all the things you report. When I had Okura's violation of GTK's work removed, I tried it short, and lacking details the first time. When I took the time to write out a full report on how and why, it was promptly removed.
DA doesn't want to really read through a report that is little more than a whine about someone tracing something. So if you're not really going to put the effort into writing a nice report, don't bother. Nothing will happen.
One little thing off topic: Ecco is owned by Novotrade/Appaloosa Interactive. It is only licensed for use to sega.
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Oh, so that was you...
Please, then, explain to me how it was a violation of GTK's work any more than any piece of fan art is. I have been given no right to draw Disney characters (well, with one exception by the company as volunteer work) but I still do, giving the company credit. In fact, the company at least at some level is aware that I do it, since a piece was submitted as a part of a resume.
Okura couldn't get permission from GTK, nor could I from Disney, yet both of us credit the owner of the concept and original work. Okura's comic was fan art of both Ecco and GTK's work. Believe me, he was a fan.
Please, explain how this is different.
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There's point in explaining it. You, like the people who complained that it wasn't on atlantis, wouldn't understand it anyway.
You should resign from that company. Not knowing will get you in trouble there.
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That should read "There's no point."
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How can anyone understand when you don't even attempt to explain? And what wasn't on Atlantis? GTK's story?
And not knowing what? I told you, Disney at some level does know I do fan art, and that was before I was hired for a second internship.
You make no sense.
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Actually, Ecco is owned by Sega. There was an interview with a worker who worked on the games, who confirmed that Novotrade/Appaloosa Interactive wanted to make another Ecco game, but Sega didn't want them to, as they considered it a waste of money and time.
Hence the fact, we have Jaws Unleashed instead of a new Ecco game.
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You said it Reb! DA had takened down my fanfic poster to Okura's winning entry way back in the caverns, once again.... under COPYRIGHT POLICY when I said the story was credited to him. My comic covers are almost done, and I shall post them up and SHOW credit. I think the old arseholes of COH just want to ruin abunch of Fan groupings and dreams for their own amusement.
Anyways, great picture! I shall fave it!
Venturer (also known as yours truely, Clan Keeper)
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Cool to hear the covers are almost done.
At some point after I move, I'll build my own private site and host the comics there.
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That picture was taken down because you ripped off someone elses work and used part of it in the picture.
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It was an exact copy and a theft. Everybody in the Ecco community knows about Asti's ancient story of how she took several screenshots of the Asterite and put them together to get a full body montage. She might be gone now but her pictures can still be found in several places. CK copied her full body Asterite montage, removed the background, and position, lighting and even the size were exactly the same on her book cover. Asti even posted on CK's page and asked her to get credit for that but CK fully ignored her. Someone has to stand up for the people whose art gets stolen after they leave the internet and that's why things are getting reported.
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As you can see, she even made a poster of it. CK's image isn't there to compare them but if you take a closer look, you will see it was a full copy.
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Whatever you say.
Just don't assume you know everything, because the fact of the matter is, you don't. CK actually told me she found that elsewhere and it wasn't Asti's.
Maybe she did lie. Maybe she didn't.
What makes YOU so sure you know the truth after all?
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I took the few seconds to look at both, and did the very simple task of matching them up.
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ClanKeeper didn't actually steal someone else's work in that (I am assuming you are meaning Asti right?). The image of the Asterite was take from a sprite sheet ClanKeeper found ages back on a sprite site.
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Though, as sprite sheets are usually also made for public reasons, you could argue that it is a theft, but using that is a bit of a borderline. It depends on how you read into it if you consider it a violation or not.
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no one can contact GTK, I think s/he left the internet long ago.
anway, I'm supprised they don't crack down on sprite comics, I thought those were aginst the rules
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Sprite comics are against the rules. Someone who sent me a note had a few, which I took a shot at reporting. All 3 of the ones I reported were removed.
DA doesn't patrol for these things. People have to report them for things to get done. If you don't point it out for them, they won't notice it.
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Wow, I very much agree with what you said. I've seen so many people grab someones picture and just trace it (it's a "learning project" *sigh*) and post it up, with credits, and no hassle. Heck, I've even known some people who complain when something like that happens to them, but they don't take down the traced image.
I think that is horribly unfair. Some serious re-thinking needs to be done in the way of the interpertation of the rule, especially as it applies to the written word to images and word, considering it is somewhat the same thing as the tracing, but much more in the way of the artist work.
Either way, you have a beautiful piece of artwork there, and I'm happy to see your pictures (Ecco was the greatest game ever - it totally got me into video games in the first place!)
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