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AshZeCat In reply to asylum1388 [2015-03-28 03:16:53 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it is. And they have no intention of anything less than Israel being wiped off the face of the Earth.
And with Palestine's supposed "allies," let's be honest, they don't actually care about Palestine, they just hate Israel and use Palestinian nationalism as a way to advocate the destruction of the only non-Islamic state in the Middle East and the only Jewish state in the world.
Besides, there's already a Palestinian state. It's called Jordan. Even their flags are almost identical!

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ghostraptor1917 In reply to AshZeCat [2015-11-30 06:23:42 +0000 UTC]

argee

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AshZeCat In reply to ghostraptor1917 [2015-11-30 19:31:48 +0000 UTC]

I've changed my stance since then.
I'm sort of anti-Zionist now I guess, in the sense of Zionism being the mandate that Israel MUST be a Jewish state and MUST have a specific majority percentage of Jews as citizens, so basically it's a theocracy.
Also, Palestine wouldn't be able to support itself without Israel, so a two-state solution would still have the same colonialist dynamics as we have today.

So I support a single secular state, at least until the revolution comes and there are no states.

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ghostraptor1917 In reply to AshZeCat [2015-11-30 21:50:24 +0000 UTC]

Agree. The jihadists use Palestinian nationalism as a excuse to hate Israel.

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asylum1388 In reply to AshZeCat [2015-03-28 17:24:57 +0000 UTC]

Meh, the Palestinians were kicked out of Jordan for trying to overthrow the government and seize power.

Honestly, it seems like nobody gets along with them.

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CodyOP In reply to ProgressforPeace [2015-03-27 21:20:50 +0000 UTC]

Writing as a leftist to say you're full of shit.

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ProgressforPeace In reply to CodyOP [2015-03-28 04:35:30 +0000 UTC]

Writing as a leftist?  So are you a leftist or not?  Also, I'm on the left, I just think that centrist democrats, or "New Democrats" and their supporters are generally very ineffective at accomplishing anything but trivial changes and often, these changes are very negative.  NAFTA has done nothing but make it more convenient to manufacture some of the most expensive cars in a place they don't have to pay workers near what they would make here (Mexico) and ruined the local agricultural sectors.  Workfare is ineffective at legitimately getting poor Americans a job that will last, and takes much-needed time and funding away from those who really need social welfare.  And the AFA (Obamacare) is nothing more than some half-assed, market-friendly ploy to avoid the creation of a single-payer health system.  Hell, there isn't even a clause that forces the states to take the medicaid expansions that would have covered the poorest citizens.  Then, there are Liberals who will shower select Democratic politicians with praise, then accept no criticism.  Try talking to someone who thinks war is bad, but it's okay to intervene in Syria because of chemical weapons use.  Had Hillary Clinton not been all for going hawkish and essentially invading Syria, then this person, and actually a good number of her supporters, would never have even thought to intervene.

I've also seen many Liberals who blindly support either Israel or Palestine, and somehow neither are guilty of crimes against humanity because of their situations.  "Israel is surrounded by barbarians waiting to destroy it, of course we have to support them!"  Or, "Palestine doesn't have any terrorists, those are freedom fighters against Israeli imperialism!"  Instead of lending support on an issue-by-issue basis, they unilaterally support one side or the other.  Don't get me wrong, I've seen many Socialists do the same, but generally those further on the left than Clinton have a more flexible grasp on what they will stand for, and what lines they won't cross.  Israeli civilians are getting attacked pointlessly by Palestinian rockets?  Use of precision airstrikes on non-civilian targets, or satellite-guided artillery is perfectly acceptable.  Israeli ground forces are shooting up every single apartment complex they can find just in case there may be a militant among the civilians?  Mowing them down is acceptable and understandable.  But both sides commit heinous acts of cruelty just because they feel entitled to do so.  Neither side deserves their demands to be met.  And my fellow countrymen, of many political shades of the spectrum can't see that.

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