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RobertMacQuarrie1 — A Message from DC Comics
Published: 2013-09-09 02:15:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 4626; Favourites: 41; Downloads: 18
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Alternate punchline- "That thumping noise you hear is the sound of all our fans beating their heads against the nearest blunt object."DC has made quite a bit of news in the past week regarding a pair of decisions that are... questionable... at best.
I fully understand that no one tries to put out a bad product, or chooses to make a bad decision. But given what we've heard coming from DC these past few years ever since their reboot and re branding, from fans and creators alike, and given the fact that it doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon, it looks to me that we are seeing a company in the throes of self-destructing.
Fans are pissed off at their product, they are bleeding creators like a siv to the point they are recruiting writers who haven't been relevant in decades, and they make questionable decision after questionable decision that has no impact on the quality of the stories they produce. Personally speaking, I think that the better route to telling good stories that entertain readers is letting the creators tell the story they want, not to arbitrarily decide "No Marriages- WHATSOEVER!"
I've seen this sort of thing before, from DC and from Marvel. But not to this extreme. I hope that DC sorts itself out and soon. Because at this point, it's heading down a very dark and scary path that I think will cause a lot more harm in the long run.
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... Can we block people here? I wanna block that troll hichcoot.
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I think so, but I'm not sure how.
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Well, I'll look for one.
Thanks.
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To be fair, Marvel loves to ruin heroes marriages too.
But a contest for "nacked woman tries to commit suicide"?
Even when its supposed to be in comedic fashion, its still bad taste.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. This is why I tend to like manga better, the creators have a lot more control over their characters and know best how to utilize them, rather than letting the company control every aspect of the stories. Of course, no manga has made it to 80 years of existence yet, but still...
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Plus, a lot of manga isn't really as independent as they seem. They still have to deal with editors, publishers, and a lot of other headaches.
Plus, western comics have the benefit of allowing for multiple views of an individual franchise. Yes, there isn't the freedom seen in the Asian market, per se. But there might not have been the same situation as there was with Deadpool, where the original creator lost interest/ moved on, and another creator came along and added depth and dimension to the character where there was little before.
A lot of good Batman stories haven't come from the original creators. And the original creators aren't around anymore to keep telling those stories. And, hell, the original creators on Batman weren't all that creative in the first place. Bob Kane had Batman dress in red tights and a blue cape, while Bill Finger- despite all he contributed- was notably described as not being a naturally creative person. He kept many notes for future story ideas. In fact, the villain "The Black Hand" was based on Bill Finger, and the fact that he would pull things out of his "Magic Bag."
So, in a lot of respect, the "pass the torch" approach does benefit western comics in a way that asian comics lack. Granted, there are downfalls to this situation as well, as we see currently at DC. But as with everything, there are always plus and minuses.
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Oh, yeah. I forgot about Deadpool. *considers a world where Deadpool remained in the chands of Leifeld* Oh, you poor, poor, sociopath!
You're right, there's a lot of pros and cons for both markets, but sometimes its hard to remember the pros when there's such a heavy miasma of dumb.
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I love how you didn't take into account the fact that 1: Harley is NOT actually commiting suicide, 2: The whole scene has CONTEXT to it, its a satire of dark strorylines, is making fun of those scenes 3: naked is not the same as sexy, in the contest it never says anything about '' making the suicide look sexy!'' 4: Those images are meant to test the skills of the artists, they are making then draw something that they won't usually draw and they are the one that have to INTERPRETATE the text and make it sexy, sad, funny or whatever they feel should be done with those scenes, that's the point.
Did you know that Paul Dini, the creator of the character, doesn't mind that she is a more obviously sexy character now? He was the one that wrote her in that dress for the Arkhan Games.
Also Bruce Timm, the one who designed the character and was creator of Batman the animated series, has no problem with drawing the character naked and doing provocative poses for the fans.
If you are going to make a comic like this at least put all the information that its out there rather than jump on the hate bandwagon.
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"I love how you didn't take into account the fact that 1: Harley is NOT actually commiting suicide, 2: The whole scene has CONTEXT to it, its a satire of dark strorylines, is making fun of those scenes 3: naked is not the same as sexy, in the contest it never says anything about '' making the suicide look sexy!'' 4: Those images are meant to test the skills of the artists, they are making then draw something that they won't usually draw and they are the one that have to INTERPRETATE the text and make it sexy, sad, funny or whatever they feel should be done with those scenes, that's the point."
But then it wouldn't be as funny.
"If you are going to make a comic like this at least put all the information that its out there rather than jump on the hate bandwagon."
Not really. I did this to be funny. I'm not obligated to give all sides of the story.
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So you just basically posted a big lie in order to make a non joke?
As if making '' bandwagon comics that fuell on hate and whining'' wasn't bad/unoriginal enough.
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Hi, Dan! Or is it Jim?
The contest never says one goddamn thing about the context; the only reason we know at ALL about Harley breaking the fourth wall to rebel against the editors in that page is because Jimmy Palmiotti told us AFTER the scandal broke. The script excerpt given out for the context never said anything about it being a humorous scene; the implication, based on the stuff DC is putting out today, that it's supposed to be taken seriously... and then they had the additional "naked" in there. Yeah, in context, it means she's not taking a bath in her costume, but without the context, it seems like they want to emphasize her nudity and thus sexualize it.
So yeah, the whole "it's not that bad in context!" argument fails on the grounds that it was presented WITHOUT any context and thus without any way to know how it was intended to appear.
On top of all that, it's a horrible choice of page to use for a talent search, since it's a montage and doesn't demonstrate any ability at *sequential* art, thus showing the ability to show us what the hell's going on in the story on probably 95% of all pages you have to do in the business. (Nor does it show if you're able to maintain the rate of output needed for a regular assignment...)
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Still you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.
She is naked, so what? Is not like we are getting to see anything and she is not actually commiting suicide, its just making fun of the idea.
If you get offended by that then stop reading, the problem is not that the comic is being offensive, which is not ( Want to see offensive? Go read The Boys by Garth Ennis, they have a scene of a Superman like character raping a guy by drilling on the back of the guy's skull with his Super dick while the guy is still alive, also somebody eats a baby, really graphic... still one of the most inteligent comics that I have ever read, really interesting comentaries on super heros, war and the use of power. )
This is not a comic made for kids, this is not Batman the animated series.
Just because you are that easily shocked doesn´t mean that the whole world is. Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti are brilliant artist and writers, they have proved to be good enough to even take part on the Watchmen prequel comics, I'm pretty confident that the comic will be good.
A lot of people get offended by video games, lets all ban those, right?
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"Still you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.
She is naked, so what? Is not like we are getting to see anything and she is not actually commiting suicide, its just making fun of the idea."
So am I.
So why are you making a big deal out of nothing?
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Because you asked Linkara to re-tweet this, I read it and found it annoying and ´´bandwagoni``.
Post incomplete information, expect to be challenged about it.
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OK. And expect to get the same response- "I did it because I thought it would be funny."
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Also, I don't care if Paul Dini and Bruce Timm don't mind her character being sexed up or being depicted in an attractive manner. One has nothing to do with the other. I make no claim that this would make her creators angry. I just point out that it's kind of in poor taste.
Also it's kind of a funny juxtaposition that we have DC saying "No" to marriage in any form, but they're completely OK with people drawing a naked Harley Quinn as part of a contest.
Don't know why it had to be a naked Harley Quinn. Could have been Batman or Superman. Could have been anything. But DC chose a naked Harley Quinn. In a scene where she contemplates suicide. It's kind of a weird choice.
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Yeah, not a "big lie." I posted a comic about recent developments within DC. One of them being an art contest to draw a naked Harley Quinn in a sequence where she commits supposedly commits suicide.
But I'm under no obligation to "play it fair" when telling a joke. This is a humor comic, not an in depth essay weighing both sides of the issue.
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You should tell the whole story if all you are going to do is make fun of current events.
I mean, again, bad enough that all the ´´content`` that you are providing is making fun of the content created by others, even worse is that you are not even taking the time to give the facts the way they are.
That just makes you sound like a hack artist ´´ is not meant to be an in depth essay `` its like saying ´´ yeah I don´t like to put that much effort in my comics really ``
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I didn't know Dan Dido had a DA account!
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I had totally forgoten about this bandwagon comic. Is that bad.
Go read My Little Pony, maybe is more your thing.
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And now you've descended into troll-level insults. Classy.
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When talking about a crappy comic that just wanted to used a controversial topic just to get likes you don't use your best material.
Doesn't deserve it
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I sincerely doubt you have anything that qualifies as"best material." Instead actually making an legitimate effort to defend DC's decision's addressed in this "crappy comic," you just make excuses to trivialize their actions and throw out groundless, inflammatory accusations like "hate bandwagon" and the like.
If you believe this doesn't warrant a thought-out, critical response, why bother commenting at all?
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Because is fun, unlike this comic
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Oh. Oh wow...
So this is the true definition of fun? Not playing games with a friend or reading a good book or even looking at any of the art on this site that you like and praising them? Just bashing "unfunny" comics?
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Not unfunny, gimmick comics.
Like jumping on the '' everything should be politically correct'' bandwagon just to get faves
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Just a correction, I wasn't arguing for political correctness with this comic.
I've got no problem with nudity in comics. Well, as long as it's tasteful and appropriate to the story.
The issue I was making fun of was that DC declared that none of their characters would be married, around the same time they had a contest depicting Harley Quinn in the tub, contemplating suicide. It seemed to be a bit of a weird week for DC, and one that I found very funny.
I wasn't arguing for "no nudity" in comics. I was arguing for "better stories."
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And now we're back to the "bandwagon" refrain of your little song.
Here's something new for you to try. Make an actual effort to come up with an argument as to why this is a legitimately bad comic, as opposed to simply making up excuses to hate it on the spot. And bear in mind; this comic was completely made for free, whereas DC is actually paid for the comics, contests, and other things it creates. Even maintaining the propaganda that RobertMacQuarrie1's is simply in it for the faves, that doesn't automatically make him an evil little troll. You can't buy anything with faves.
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Is a shit comic, only argument that this comic deserves. Even if is free
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And now your jumping back to the "comic doesn't deserve my effort" schtick.
You seem to have the delusion that your effort is something sanctimonious that you should reserve for special occasions. If you can't be bothered to grow up and get over yourself then I'm done with you.
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shit comic, all there is to it, all there is to be said.
Fave bai.
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My Little Pony probably makes more sense!
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Too bad it has a creepy fandom.
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Go search Spiderman Yaoi or Shota, you'll see Spidey has his own creepy fandom.
Yaoi is homosexual stories with stronger male + weak feminine male (Spidey in many cases) with lots of "fanservice" thrown in. I think I described that right.
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Not as creepy as sex with horses.
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"You should tell the whole story if all you are going to do is make fun of current events."
No I shouldn't. I'm doing this for a joke. I don't have to be "fair."
If you don't like the humor, fine. But I'm not obligated to play fair.
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Yeah I can't believe a company is busy prepared to say that no one should be married because it's boring. I mean never mind just gay marriage, but all marriages. Apparently we've been told that despite being King and Queen together Mera and Arthur aren't married either... seriously DC? I mean that's saying that I should bother enjoying a relationship in any comic because it's never going to evolve anywhere.
Also they're still dressing Harley like a stupid goth chick, the sooner she gets back to something akin to her classic attire the better.
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Yeah...DC Comics is REALLY loosing it these days, and this is a good satire of their current downward spiral in stupidity.
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Love the picture, it made me laugh and also made me sad. Use to love DC, but it is getting harder and harder each day with each idiotic announcement.
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Would you really want the creation of DC arcs equal to the atrocious "One More Day" Spider-Man story? Or better yet another killing off of Red Arrow's daughter.
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One More Day? As in Flashpoint even though DC doesn't like Day time. owo
Though I thought Lian didn't exist thanks to the New 52. I thought it was just DC shipping Arsenal x Trucker Hat. o3o
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Yeah, in one more day Marvel used Mephisto to break up Peter and Mary Jane's (why is her full name always needed?) marriage because they thought their relationship was slowing down the comic. So I assume that DC are trying to avoid that scenario, although its really lazy to not try and write around it...
Yeah, you're right. They wrote her out of existence.
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It's needed because it's not her full name. It's sorta like someone being named Billy Jo or Bobby Sue (Also, game faces people, +1 to whomever gets it). It's basically a first name. Her full name is Mary Jane Watson.
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Eh, could be worst. They wanted to destroy many more towns plus Speedy 2 in Cry For Justice. So My faith was fragile at best. :/
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dc has been shit for years...but then again the same can be said about marvel
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