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My take on the Timeline-15 concept. What is Timeline-15? According to xawazyx :Basically, Timeline 15 is a timeline in which things are just the way you like them. Your best possible timeline. Things that you like are popular, things that you dislike are unpopular.
Your political candidate of choice is doing well, your crush likes you back, you're healthy and happy. The way you currently dress is fashionable in Timeline 15, movies and tv-shows you enjoy are a critical and financial success while those you dislike are failures over there. Your favorite music is topping the charts, your favorite videogames are the most played, etc.
The catch is that Timeline 15 diverged from our world on the day of your birth and not sooner, so whatever Points of Departure you're introducing cannot happen earlier and the world was exactly like OTL until you were born.
I normally hate to make preachy politics things like this, but it's an interesting concept, so I decided against my better judgment to make this. So yeah, keep it civil in the comments and all that jazz. I would add the disclaimer that this isn't exactly my idea for a utopia, because utopias are by definition perfect and thus impossible and boring. It's still a flawed world, with quite a few eggs broken to make the omelette. Also, an ASB world, so don't think too hard about how this came about.
- The PoD is the government reacting to the 1993 World Trade Center bombings in a more intrusive fashion, which helps stop events like the Oklahoma City bombing from happening, but causes more pushback and sympathy towards anti-government movements. Anti-government movements rise on the left and right, causing greater polarization. The 2000 election is even more of a mess, with Bush and Gore pandering more to the extreme elements, and the result being even more hotly contested as the controversy lasted longer and Gore's popular vote win was by a much larger margin. 9/11 doesn't happen, but an analogue to the Patriot Act is passed anyway. The Americans intervene during the Second Iranian Revolution and depose the government there. Discontent with the federal government grows throughout the 2000s, coming to a head after the 2004 presidential election, which is canceled thanks to a series of domestic terrorist attacks throughout the country during election day. The militias quickly deny involvement, claiming it's a false flag by the desperate Bush administration. Crackdowns occur across the country, things get more violent, cities are lost to riots, and before anybody knows it, several states have declared independence from the Union and Washington DC is surrounded by a mob of protesters, many of them armed. Many military units defect to the revolutionaries. Pretty much every politician in DC is arrested, and a new constitutional convention is held, forming the American Confederation.
- The new American Confederation is a far looser union than the old United States. Guarantees of power being left to the states are much stronger, and quite a few things are expressly prohibited from being managed by the federal government. Welfare and entitlements at the federal level are pretty much abolished, and these responsibilities are devolved to the states. The new constitution also has several measures intended to stymie government corruption, such as stricter term limits on Congress, limitations on donations and the degree of collusion a candidate can have with large donors, and expressly limiting the "speech rights" of political action committees. There are also greater civil liberties protections, to ensure that another *Patriot Act is never passed. Otherwise, the new constitution was identical to the 2004 one.
- Not every state rejoined the Union. Some states remained independent as Associate States. The Associate States are independent for all intents and purposes, except that they pay the Confederation for defense, allow the Confederation to station troops in their countries, and there is free movement between the Associate States and the rest of the Confederation. These states have their own constitutions and are not beholden to decisions made by the Confederation's government, but they often pass equivalent legislation to help smooth things over.
- NATO fell apart as the Confederation wanted to keep its influence to the Americas and, to a lesser degree, the Pacific. These treaties are mutual defense treaties, and the Confederation has sworn off getting bogged down in foreign wars. Foreign military aid from America has all but dried up, which has helped curb the number of American firearms in circulation around the world.
- The War in Iran was largely costly and cost many lives, but with an actual secular, democratic movement existing in Iran, it managed to become a successful, secular democracy, although they are having problems in Afghanistan. Egypt's authoritarian government fell in 2008 and led to a relatively peaceful transition to a democracy. Israel finally let go of Palestine as a fully independent state, although border disputes remain.
- The European Union as we know it never stayed for long, with referendums renouncing the Maastricht Treaty happening rather quickly after its ratification and with the EEC slowly devolving into nothing. Along with the fall of NATO, the European states have taken to creating their own blocs. However, realizing that fighting wars with one another would do them no good and only help Russia, they did sign their own, broad, alliance, while their blocs remain mostly economic. UKIP disbanded itself rather quickly, having no European Union for the UK to be independent from, and this culture war stuff isn't as much of a problem in Europe since there is no civil unrest in the Middle East feeding a migrant crisis. Also, the War on Terror was less of a thing, with American efforts directed at the Iranian state, not some nebulous group like Islam or terrorists.
- The transition away from communism went better for Russia, with the economy doing better and the West being a bit more trusting of the Russians. Putin never came to power, and his brand of turning Russia into a frenemy of the West never got anywhere. The Russian sphere is rather richer and less top-heavy than OTL's as a result, and has good relations with the West.
- The Chinese Communist Party fell surprisingly peacefully in 2008 after the financial crisis caused by the 2004 chaos, leading to a genuinely democratic government taking control. They did lose Xinjiang and Tibet in the process, as the revolutionaries there demanded referendums and got them.
- South Africa did transition out of apartheid, but the ANC's power wasn't as absolute, and they had to compromise more. This ended up actually making the ANC less corrupt, and helped race relations in the long run. South Africa is much richer than IOTL, and crime rates are much lower. The country, along with China, also leads investment in the rest of Africa.
- There is a much greater regard for science, and there is a pro-science mindset in general. There is no widespread opposition to the idea that climate change is happening, but it isn't happening at such a rapid pace thanks to China's new government focusing a lot on environmental cleanup. It is still regarded as a problem, but proposed solutions are more tech-based, such as greater reliance on nuclear power. Space exploration is highly regarded, and is something the Confederation's government actually invests money in. The Russian government, being rather richer than OTL, also has more money to spend on its space program. Private firms are also participating; there are several SpaceX analogues, and they're more successful than OTL's. Space is seen as the next step of human development, necessary for long-term human survival.
- Globalism is more of a "black, brown, or white, your money's all green" idea. Multinationals still exist, although they are more focused on providing goods and services than buying lobbyists. The world still has problems with moneyed elites interfering against the will of the people, but that would be the case in any system. The Confederation itself is already having issues with corruption trials its government. Regime change in general is seen as a horrible idea, given the mess that was the War in Iran.
- Culturally, people are more live and let live and generally moderate. The SJW and alt-right movements are even more fringe, with people espousing those views roundly mocked online.
- Social media as we know it doesn't exist; the Internet remain more Wild West, and anonymity remains king. Only a fool would put their information up online, and anybody asking for it is probably a criminal. Cyber surveillance is a very real threat that people take seriously, so attempts at Internet censorship are roundly denounced. Twitter isn't a thing, or rather there was an analogue that appeared but died without anybody noticing. Facebook and MySpace never materialized, having butterflied away, but their analogues were around before the 2004 revolution, and quickly assumed to be some NSA phishing scheme. That wasn't the case (although the NSA did ultimately try to strongarm these companies into handing over private information), but perception that social media is some kind of backhanded surveillance program persists, so it never took off.
- The world is generally more secular, and the Islamic world is considerably more secular. Most of the reform in Islam have come from within, and the idea of "cultural Islam" that rejects the most backwards part of the religion is in vogue, particularly as the biggest sponsors of Islamic radicalism had been taken down.
- Space operas and military science fiction is more popular than the superhero stuff of OTL. Warhammer 40K is about as well-known as Star Wars.
- The Star Wars prequels are better. LucasArts was never bought by Disney. The sequel trilogy exists (or rather, will exist), and Episode VII isn't a de facto ANH remake.
- Alternate history is a more popular genre than it is IOTL, to the point that people are readily aware of tropes like Operation Sealion.
- RTS games are still a thing, while MOBAs don't exist.
- Reality TV never took off; nobody knows who Kim Kardashian is. Edgy shows like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and House of Cards exist, but are more oriented towards dystopian science fiction. There's a science fiction series based on Orwell's work that's rather popular, and there's even a really good Warhammer 40K war drama focusing on the Imperial Guard; think Band of Brothers in the 41st millennium.
- Donald Trump remains a rather obscure figure from the 1980s who occasionally shows up in cameos, and Hillary Clinton was never Secretary of State and is busy peddling books about her days as First Lady.
- Classical music is popular; pop, country and rap aren't.
- People actually like anchovies on their pizza.
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Comments: 104
MartyrFan [2020-01-04 02:23:58 +0000 UTC]
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metalheadjohn [2017-06-21 23:41:04 +0000 UTC]
So in that Warhammer 40k Imperial Guard drama, which regiment will be focused on, and who will they be fighting? The Tau?
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RvBOMally In reply to metalheadjohn [2017-06-22 14:17:12 +0000 UTC]
Probably a Cadian clone, and probably Tau.
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cthulhufhtagn1987 [2017-01-30 19:23:11 +0000 UTC]
This is an awesome timeline, especially the pizza with anchovies!
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RvBOMally In reply to InfernoMole [2017-01-02 19:12:28 +0000 UTC]
Not familiar enough with Russian politicians to answer intelligently.
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Void-Wolf [2016-11-25 04:55:11 +0000 UTC]
COnsidering this is your best possible timeline, how is your ideal you doing in thsi timeline? Have your works made you a successful author and or showrunner?
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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2017-01-02 19:12:06 +0000 UTC]
Pretty much. I'm making a lot of money making science fiction and alternate history.
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2017-01-03 01:21:07 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, same in my Timeline-15, though you're just a successful sci-fi author. You haven't gone into television... yet. You'll end up being the first big television hit of alt history ITL.
Hooray for success
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xawazyx [2016-11-22 18:00:11 +0000 UTC]
What a fantastic setting, clearly it must have been using a genius concept
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Void-Wolf [2016-11-21 02:31:55 +0000 UTC]
I'm hoping that the Drug war ended. Brought nothing but trouble to the US and Mexico (among corrupt governments and the large wealth gap)
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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-11-21 02:48:55 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, the drug war has ended.
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TheDirectorOfATHF [2016-11-14 01:33:20 +0000 UTC]
Well, looks like we have quite a lot of ideas in common for our ideal world (in case anyone cares, I ditched the radicalism and now identify as a Libertarian Centrist). All in all, I'd move here in an instant if I could. Just one extremely minor quibble- I have no problem with classical and the vast majority of pop and country can burn in hell as far as I care, but rap is far too awesome to languish in obscurity.
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HCAOC [2016-11-13 05:16:26 +0000 UTC]
A couple things I noticed:
-Having individual states be responsible for all of their welfare programs would result in weaker welfare systems for some states. Ohio would likely have the economy for it; Wyoming less so.
-A tech-heavy approach to global warming is genuinely nice, but it doesn't entirely address the underlying issue of a growth and consumption-oriented society.
-While I'm not denying the left has its fair share of idiots and kooks, "SJW" is at this point a term that's routinely abused to describe, depending on the user, either strawmen or anybody to the left of Joe Lieberman. It's also a term that in my view signifies disrespect towards people who do believe in social justice, whether or not they're strident about it. Trying to draw general equivalence between people who are generally angry about injustice and people who are generally angry about LGBT/minority people existing doesn't help.
-Anchovies aren't so much bad as they are salty af. I imagine pizza joints would see higher beverage sales ITTL with slight ripple effects for food companies.
Other than that though, this is an interesting and relatively pleasant-looking timeline. Would be nice to see more dakka boyz in popular culture. The MEC is a nice nod to Battlefield too.
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RvBOMally In reply to HCAOC [2016-11-13 07:23:58 +0000 UTC]
- I would argue that states like Wyoming would have less need for such an extensive welfare system. I suppose we could debate whether that would actually work, but assume it does in Timeline-15.
- I don't think there's anything that would stop growth and consumption, apart from nuclear war. People want stuff, and with more people, there's more demand for stuff. Nothing's going to change that.
- I'm not sorry for comparing the social justice movement to the alt-right, because I honestly believe that the modern social justice movement acts in such a way that it defeats its own stated goals by acting in an obnoxious manner. Talking down to people, or giving them caustic labels, for merely disagreeing or doing something obviously innocuous, only strengthens the vilest people on the other side. A genuine racist doesn't shrink away from being called a racist; he accepts the label, and seeing people he opposes react in an extremely negative manner only emboldens him. There's also the fact that demonization creates demons. If someone is to be labeled a bigot, why wouldn't he decide to act like one, if only to anger the opposition? I'd bet top dollar that a good percentage of those Twitter neo-Nazis don't actually believe anything they're saying, they are just saying it to be provocative. By throwing condemnation around like candy, the social justice movement has succeeded only in making bigotry hip, cool and edgy.
People who desire social change should be open to discussion, instead of shutting it down. If their ideas are good, then they should not run away from honest discussion. If someone were advocating killing the Jews, I would let them speak to as many people as possible, so as many people as possible can see him as the kook he is. If he's being shut down, he can complain that he's being oppressed because the powers that be are hiding some terrible truth. That immediately gives a degree of legitimacy, no matter how small, to his message.
I understand that not everybody on the left, or who shares the goals of the social justice movement, acts in that manner, but there are definitely people who do. They are loud, and they are alienating normal people from the left's causes. That's what leads to things like Brexit and Donald Trump winning the presidency. I think that the establishment left damages its cause to a tremendous degree by allowing the most radical, obnoxious elements of its movement run around without condemning them. I would never condone silencing people, but the left needs to disavow these elements if it wants to start winning back ground with the average person.
- Huh, I didn't think about that. I hope they're drinking water. I have nothing against the occasional soda, but I almost always drink water when eating at a restaurant.
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HCAOC In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-15 01:54:35 +0000 UTC]
-That's a fair point re: consumption, but maybe they could get by with [i]less[/i] stuff. Maybe more biodegradable stuff. As long as it's a capitalist approach, firms of all kinds would prioritize consumption and growth over sustainability, and that would include the fossil fuel industry. Of course, given the heavy tech approach, it's possible electric cars and other tech could take the market by storm and lessen the problem.
-You're right that it's a problem - every movement has its clods. You're wrong to act like it's anywhere near as bad as what's going on with racism/sexism/anti-LGBT bigotry. It hinges on a similar logic to "racism only became a problem once people started protesting it", which, well.
-You know they're pushing soda, dude.
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RvBOMally In reply to HCAOC [2016-11-15 02:16:18 +0000 UTC]
- I think that bigotry was a problem, but it always was, but people in general were and are have turned against it. People in the First World were becoming more educated and tolerant, and the sort of openly bigoted attitudes now being expressed with wanton abandon were rightly looked down upon. There would always be assholes being loud, and I think that stamping them out is the wrong approach. But what has happened is that the obnoxious overreaction from elements of the left has allowed the alt-right to prosper, and all they needed to do was calm their message. The optics of that is that the alt-right looks reasonable compared to hysterical social justice warriors. I would also argue that the social justice movement is far more dangerous than the alt-right, for the simple reason that they have more political power. Yes, there has been significant pushback recently, but they have the ear of more First World governments and media figures. I think that there are elements of the social justice movement which are definitely bigoted, and definitely anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight, etc. Yes, a minority of that minority, but it does exist. I'm not going to ignore those parts of the movement because they speak the language of tolerance.
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skyrish10 [2016-11-12 10:05:17 +0000 UTC]
What about the Beauty pageants like Miss Universe and Miss World and video games like Overwatch, Fallout and Call of Duty
Are they changed in Timeline 15?
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RvBOMally In reply to skyrish10 [2016-11-12 17:23:46 +0000 UTC]
Trump still runs the pageants. Overwatch and Call of Duty don't exist, and the FPS genre is far less samey. Fallout is more like NV.
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skyrish10 In reply to RvBOMally [2017-03-15 06:25:05 +0000 UTC]
and what about Half-Life 3? is it confirmed in this timeline
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Meerkat92 [2016-11-11 08:25:13 +0000 UTC]
I rather like this world. 40K is for dorks, though. And country music is an acquired taste, but I can see how someone who doesn't like rap would dislike country too. Country is basically poor whites complaining how bad their lives suck, and rap is poor blacks complaining how their lives suck. Maybe you just hate poor people, capitalist swine
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XamuelReyes In reply to Meerkat92 [2022-02-03 05:19:12 +0000 UTC]
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RvBOMally In reply to Meerkat92 [2016-11-11 16:23:13 +0000 UTC]
Hah, I have no problem with poor people, or poor people complaining about how their lives suck, and I certainly wouldn't prevent people from producing or listening to music I don't like. I just don't want to hear any of it (at least, as entertainment), and since Timeline-15 has mass culture adopting my personal tastes, that's how it happens.
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Flagman15 [2016-11-11 03:40:34 +0000 UTC]
Wow this world is particularly peaceful well compared to our world . Well expect the US being American I'm a little bias but then im Texas so I'm happy but I love this and keep it up
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Twiggierjet [2016-11-11 02:28:23 +0000 UTC]
Have the Star wars movies incorporated the extended universe into their stories? And has Russia deviated from OTL socially, and if so, in what ways (besides being more secular)?
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RvBOMally In reply to Twiggierjet [2016-11-11 02:37:26 +0000 UTC]
Some elements, but they are still a revamp that don't follow the EU. There was too much crap in there anyway.
Russia is better for LGBT folks, and more open to the West.
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-11 04:03:31 +0000 UTC]
I imagined a steamlined version and hooray for better Russia
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Silas-Coldwine [2016-11-11 01:14:15 +0000 UTC]
Some comments:
-I actually don't see it as so ASB. Even Classical displacing Pop is doable, as the big upheavals this world has passed through open the possibility to all kinds of cultural reactions.
-In the end, not a bad world to live at all, but it would be absolutely unbearable for me. Not because of the breakup of Spain... that's a minor and temporary disappointment compared to the absence of the EU. Yeah, right now I care about the EU even more than about my own country's unity. That detail utterly cancels everything good about this.
-I forgot to mention reality TV and gossip TV in my TL-15. As I don't watch TV at all, I can forget for entire months that such things exist... maybe there's a blocking mechanism involved. I'll fix that.
-Joke's on OTL: I DO like anchovies on my pizza.
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RvBOMally In reply to Silas-Coldwine [2016-11-11 01:31:52 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I don't actually watch much TV myself, but I'm good friends with people who do.
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PersephoneEosopoulou [2016-11-11 00:35:04 +0000 UTC]
Does the Confederation have nukes?, if so NZ might have issues doing naval exercises with them given our 80's anti-nuclear stance that among other things broke ANZUS.
Not trying to nitpick though.
I'm tempted to try one of these if I get off my lazy ass, how realistic does it have to be?
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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2016-11-11 00:48:46 +0000 UTC]
They do have nukes, but the nuclear submarines and weapons are kept away from New Zealand.
As realistic as you want it to be.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-11 00:52:46 +0000 UTC]
Hmm monarchy world!
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PinkJenkin [2016-11-10 21:08:30 +0000 UTC]
Getting some Burkean vibes from this TL, which is cool in my book.
I'd make one of these if I could figure out a way to combine widespread veganism and decriminalized sex work with stuffy, civilized conservatives running the economy. Right-wing hippies party alone.
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RvBOMally In reply to PinkJenkin [2016-11-10 21:20:30 +0000 UTC]
That's not exactly where the world is heading, but it's getting there.
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RvBOMally In reply to wilji1070 [2016-11-10 20:28:04 +0000 UTC]
Awesome! I'd love to see it.
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wilji1070 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 20:29:08 +0000 UTC]
I doubt I could approach the horrors of your Timeline 15 though. Seriously, anchovies on pizza?
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RvBOMally In reply to wilji1070 [2016-11-10 20:39:59 +0000 UTC]
Think of them as a condiment that enhances the flavor of the pizza.
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wilji1070 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 20:41:03 +0000 UTC]
I think of them as a food that aggravates my gout. Plus, I'm not a fan of fish in general
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RvBOMally In reply to wilji1070 [2016-11-10 20:46:24 +0000 UTC]
Fair enough. One reason I actually like anchovies is that many people don't like them. By putting anchovies on my pizza, I don't have to worry about people stealing a slice.
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 22:05:41 +0000 UTC]
I actually tried anchovies on pizza. They weren't bad, but really salty. I manages to finish two slices before I reached my limit.
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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-11-10 22:08:57 +0000 UTC]
How many anchovies did you put on the pizza?
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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 22:18:23 +0000 UTC]
It was a New York slice so maybe kinda 2-3 smallish anchvies per slice. It was at a local joint back when I was in university
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RtasVader In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 21:32:22 +0000 UTC]
Asset denial. It's the only possible excuse.
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