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Description My take on the Timeline-15 concept. What is Timeline-15? According to xawazyx

Basically, Timeline 15 is a timeline in which things are just the way you like them. Your best possible timeline. Things that you like are popular, things that you dislike are unpopular.

Your political candidate of choice is doing well, your crush likes you back, you're healthy and happy. The way you currently dress is fashionable in Timeline 15, movies and tv-shows you enjoy are a critical and financial success while those you dislike are failures over there. Your favorite music is topping the charts, your favorite videogames are the most played, etc.

The catch is that Timeline 15 diverged from our world on the day of your birth and not sooner, so whatever Points of Departure you're introducing cannot happen earlier and the world was exactly like OTL until you were born.

I normally hate to make preachy politics things like this, but it's an interesting concept, so I decided against my better judgment to make this. So yeah, keep it civil in the comments and all that jazz. I would add the disclaimer that this isn't exactly my idea for a utopia, because utopias are by definition perfect and thus impossible and boring. It's still a flawed world, with quite a few eggs broken to make the omelette. Also, an ASB world, so don't think too hard about how this came about. 

  • The PoD is the government reacting to the 1993 World Trade Center bombings in a more intrusive fashion, which helps stop events like the Oklahoma City bombing from happening, but causes more pushback and sympathy towards anti-government movements. Anti-government movements rise on the left and right, causing greater polarization. The 2000 election is even more of a mess, with Bush and Gore pandering more to the extreme elements, and the result being even more hotly contested as the controversy lasted longer and Gore's popular vote win was by a much larger margin. 9/11 doesn't happen, but an analogue to the Patriot Act is passed anyway. The Americans intervene during the Second Iranian Revolution and depose the government there. Discontent with the federal government grows throughout the 2000s, coming to a head after the 2004 presidential election, which is canceled thanks to a series of domestic terrorist attacks throughout the country during election day. The militias quickly deny involvement, claiming it's a false flag by the desperate Bush administration. Crackdowns occur across the country, things get more violent, cities are lost to riots, and before anybody knows it, several states have declared independence from the Union and Washington DC is surrounded by a mob of protesters, many of them armed. Many military units defect to the revolutionaries. Pretty much every politician in DC is arrested, and a new constitutional convention is held, forming the American Confederation. 
  • The new American Confederation is a far looser union than the old United States. Guarantees of power being left to the states are much stronger, and quite a few things are expressly prohibited from being managed by the federal government. Welfare and entitlements at the federal level are pretty much abolished, and these responsibilities are devolved to the states. The new constitution also has several measures intended to stymie government corruption, such as stricter term limits on Congress, limitations on donations and the degree of collusion a candidate can have with large donors, and expressly limiting the "speech rights" of political action committees. There are also greater civil liberties protections, to ensure that another *Patriot Act is never passed. Otherwise, the new constitution was identical to the 2004 one.  
  • Not every state rejoined the Union. Some states remained independent as Associate States. The Associate States are independent for all intents and purposes, except that they pay the Confederation for defense, allow the Confederation to station troops in their countries, and there is free movement between the Associate States and the rest of the Confederation. These states have their own constitutions and are not beholden to decisions made by the Confederation's government, but they often pass equivalent legislation to help smooth things over. 
  • NATO fell apart as the Confederation wanted to keep its influence to the Americas and, to a lesser degree, the Pacific. These treaties are mutual defense treaties, and the Confederation has sworn off getting bogged down in foreign wars. Foreign military aid from America has all but dried up, which has helped curb the number of American firearms in circulation around the world. 
  • The War in Iran was largely costly and cost many lives, but with an actual secular, democratic movement existing in Iran, it managed to become a successful, secular democracy, although they are having problems in Afghanistan. Egypt's authoritarian government fell in 2008 and led to a relatively peaceful transition to a democracy. Israel finally let go of Palestine as a fully independent state, although border disputes remain. 
  • The European Union as we know it never stayed for long, with referendums renouncing the Maastricht Treaty happening rather quickly after its ratification and with the EEC slowly devolving into nothing. Along with the fall of NATO, the European states have taken to creating their own blocs. However, realizing that fighting wars with one another would do them no good and only help Russia, they did sign their own, broad, alliance, while their blocs remain mostly economic. UKIP disbanded itself rather quickly, having no European Union for the UK to be independent from, and this culture war stuff isn't as much of a problem in Europe since there is no civil unrest in the Middle East feeding a migrant crisis. Also, the War on Terror was less of a thing, with American efforts directed at the Iranian state, not some nebulous group like Islam or terrorists. 
  • The transition away from communism went better for Russia, with the economy doing better and the West being a bit more trusting of the Russians. Putin never came to power, and his brand of turning Russia into a frenemy of the West never got anywhere. The Russian sphere is rather richer and less top-heavy than OTL's as a result, and has good relations with the West. 
  • The Chinese Communist Party fell surprisingly peacefully in 2008 after the financial crisis caused by the 2004 chaos, leading to a genuinely democratic government taking control. They did lose Xinjiang and Tibet in the process, as the revolutionaries there demanded referendums and got them. 
  • South Africa did transition out of apartheid, but the ANC's power wasn't as absolute, and they had to compromise more. This ended up actually making the ANC less corrupt, and helped race relations in the long run. South Africa is much richer than IOTL, and crime rates are much lower. The country, along with China, also leads investment in the rest of Africa. 
  • There is a much greater regard for science, and there is a pro-science mindset in general. There is no widespread opposition to the idea that climate change is happening, but it isn't happening at such a rapid pace thanks to China's new government focusing a lot on environmental cleanup. It is still regarded as a problem, but proposed solutions are more tech-based, such as greater reliance on nuclear power. Space exploration is highly regarded, and is something the Confederation's government actually invests money in. The Russian government, being rather richer than OTL, also has more money to spend on its space program. Private firms are also participating; there are several SpaceX analogues, and they're more successful than OTL's. Space is seen as the next step of human development, necessary for long-term human survival. 
  • Globalism is more of a "black, brown, or white, your money's all green" idea. Multinationals still exist, although they are more focused on providing goods and services than buying lobbyists. The world still has problems with moneyed elites interfering against the will of the people, but that would be the case in any system. The Confederation itself is already having issues with corruption trials its government. Regime change in general is seen as a horrible idea, given the mess that was the War in Iran. 
  • Culturally, people are more live and let live and generally moderate. The SJW and alt-right movements are even more fringe, with people espousing those views roundly mocked online. 
  • Social media as we know it doesn't exist; the Internet remain more Wild West, and anonymity remains king. Only a fool would put their information up online, and anybody asking for it is probably a criminal. Cyber surveillance is a very real threat that people take seriously, so attempts at Internet censorship are roundly denounced. Twitter isn't a thing, or rather there was an analogue that appeared but died without anybody noticing. Facebook and MySpace never materialized, having butterflied away, but their analogues were around before the 2004 revolution, and quickly assumed to be some NSA phishing scheme. That wasn't the case (although the NSA did ultimately try to strongarm these companies into handing over private information), but perception that social media is some kind of backhanded surveillance program persists, so it never took off. 
  • The world is generally more secular, and the Islamic world is considerably more secular. Most of the reform in Islam have come from within, and the idea of "cultural Islam" that rejects the most backwards part of the religion is in vogue, particularly as the biggest sponsors of Islamic radicalism had been taken down. 
  • Space operas and military science fiction is more popular than the superhero stuff of OTL. Warhammer 40K is about as well-known as Star Wars. 
  • The Star Wars prequels are better. LucasArts was never bought by Disney. The sequel trilogy exists (or rather, will exist), and Episode VII isn't a de facto ANH remake. 
  • Alternate history is a more popular genre than it is IOTL, to the point that people are readily aware of tropes like Operation Sealion. 
  • RTS games are still a thing, while MOBAs don't exist. 
  • Reality TV never took off; nobody knows who Kim Kardashian is. Edgy shows like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and House of Cards exist, but are more oriented towards dystopian science fiction. There's a science fiction series based on Orwell's work that's rather popular, and there's even a really good Warhammer 40K war drama focusing on the Imperial Guard; think Band of Brothers in the 41st millennium.
  • Donald Trump remains a rather obscure figure from the 1980s who occasionally shows up in cameos, and Hillary Clinton was never Secretary of State and is busy peddling books about her days as First Lady. 
  • Classical music is popular; pop, country and rap aren't. 
  • People actually like anchovies on their pizza.
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Comments: 104

wilji1070 In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 20:47:18 +0000 UTC]

That's... actually a fair point. Though in your TL-15, that becomes a concern for you then!

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Likaaon [2016-11-10 20:00:05 +0000 UTC]

I got a feeling like you're a bit libertarian, am I right? xD

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RvBOMally In reply to Likaaon [2016-11-10 20:28:07 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, although I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party or any other political party. 

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Likaaon In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 21:12:53 +0000 UTC]

Oh, thats great. I'm a libertarian myself

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BadgingBadger [2016-11-10 19:52:05 +0000 UTC]

"Rap isn't popular here"
what, no Nujabes, no Beastie Boys, no Yung Lean? You monster!

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Scrapknight-507 In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 18:19:23 +0000 UTC]

I feel the need to stand up for anchovies. All my friends think I'm insane for actually liking them, too.

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InfernoMole [2016-11-10 18:16:47 +0000 UTC]

Who is the current Russian president, and what are the dominant political parties in Russia?

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RvBOMally In reply to InfernoMole [2016-11-10 18:24:03 +0000 UTC]

I'm not informed enough about Russian politics to give names, but Russian politics in general is friendlier to the West, but at the same time has a Russia first policy. 

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nanwe01 In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 16:56:42 +0000 UTC]

A bit hard for the EU not to exist seeing as how it was created in 1992 if the PoD is in '93, to be honest.

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RvBOMally In reply to nanwe01 [2016-11-10 17:00:41 +0000 UTC]

D'oh! True, I'll fix that.

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Todyo1798 [2016-11-10 16:32:25 +0000 UTC]

Ach sure may as well give this a go.

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RvBOMally In reply to Todyo1798 [2016-11-10 17:21:48 +0000 UTC]

I'd love to see your take on it!

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Todyo1798 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 21:12:36 +0000 UTC]

See I was thinking of making a call back to stuff I used to believe when I was a teenager(ie Ancient Aliens), but since I wouldn't be able to have a POD after 1994 does that mean I can't have my little History Channel reference?

Or d'ya think I could bullshit that the AA stuff is otl until proven wrong?

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RvBOMally In reply to Todyo1798 [2016-11-10 21:21:29 +0000 UTC]

Just have the show and the theories be far more popular. 

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Zomg420 In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 16:22:14 +0000 UTC]

"Social media as we know it doesn't exist; the Internet remain more Wild West, and anonymity remains king."

Now this. I like this timeline. This bit even more than anything else, probably a really good utopia as it is, but this part just takes the cake. I really miss the internet of pre-2008. Social Media and Reality TV are some of the most cancerous things. I never got this whole debating and glossing over reality TV stars and constantly following and going into people's private lives through Twitter. What of Facebook, I guess it isn't around? MySpace stayed popular instead? I'm guessing Trump still has his big corporate empire, but isn't really a big thing in the news since he's just another rich dude? Would be amusing if instead he's a big time shareholder in WWE/WWF. Also no Erdogan messing things around, but rather a more secular leadership in Turkey?

What of globalism? With the American Confederation, I suppose its more of McDonalds everywhere and less the 'intrusive' kind we get in real life? Probably parties like FN, UKIP, Jobbik and Attack are fringe parties, if they even exist at all, and the right-wing and left-wing are actually right-wing and left-wing and don't make odd coalitions like in Germany and Estonia but keep the political tone to a decent level rather than going full SJW/alt-right?

It'd take the cake if Star Wars doesn't get a Sequel Trilogy and a Disney buy-out (No Disney monopoly at all, hopefully...) but instead LucasArts sticks around as does Lucas and Star Wars is continued in the form of an ongoing Expanded Universe. Oh yeah, what does happen to more 'edgy' TV shows like Game of Thrones, House of Cards, Breaking Bad and so on?

....Is Baneposting still a thing?

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RvBOMally In reply to Zomg420 [2016-11-10 17:17:53 +0000 UTC]

Twitter isn't a thing, or rather there was an analogue that appeared but died without anybody noticing. Facebook and MySpace never materialized, having butterflied away, but their analogues were around before the 2004 revolution, and quickly assumed to be some NSA phishing scheme. That wasn't the case (although the NSA did ultimately try to strongarm these companies into handing over private information), but perception that social media is some kind of backhanded surveillance program persists, so it never took off. 

Trump is just the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. There was no The Apprentice. He owns Miss Universe and makes a few comments on politics on *YouTube, which sometimes gets him into trouble, but most people ignore what he has to say. 

No Erdogan; the Turkish government is committed to secularism and reforming the Middle East. 

TTL's Globalism is more of a "black, brown, or white, your money's all green" idea. Multinationals still exist, although they are more focused on providing goods and services than buying lobbyists. The world still has problems with moneyed elites interfering against the will of the people, but that would be the case in any system. The Confederation itself is already having issues with corruption trials its government. UKIP disbanded itself rather quickly, having no European Union for the UK to be independent from, and this culture war stuff isn't as much of a problem in Europe since there is no civil unrest in the Middle East feeding a migrant crisis. Also, the War on Terror was less of a thing, with American efforts directed at the Iranian state, not some nebulous group like Islam or terrorists. Regime change in general is seen as a horrible idea, given the mess that was the War in Iran. 

Star Wars does get its sequels, under LucasArts, and Episode VII isn't a de facto ANH remake. 

Edgy shows like that exist (I happen to like the shows you listed, but I'm not fanatical about them), and they are as much of a cultural hallmark as IOTL, but are more oriented towards dystopian science fiction. There's a science fiction series based on Orwell's work that's rather popular, and there's even a really good Warhammer 40K war drama focusing on the Imperial Guard; think Band of Brothers in the 41st millennium. Also, all of the TV show ideas I've posted about exist and are actual shows.

Of coursh, but in a modified form.

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Zomg420 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 17:34:53 +0000 UTC]

Maybe in your world, the Dark Knight Trilogy is what all other superhero movies are based on rather than the MCU? So there's a DC Cinematic Universe, that often gets accused of being ' too sci-fi'. Man of Steel happens, but Batman v Superman is Christian Bale's Batman coming back after Superman accidentally kills Joseph Gordon-Levitt's Robin? Also Agents of CIA happen as a much less politicized 4chan memes it into existence rather than Trump's presidency. Maybe GoT doesn't go full matriarchy in S6 and turn Ramsay into a full-blown supervillain but instead follows the books more closely. I could also see a TV show based on V for Vendetta with the cast of the 2005 movie in your universe.

Please say Farscape and Stargate stuck around.

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RvBOMally In reply to Zomg420 [2016-11-10 17:43:52 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, those all sound like good ideas! The Dark Knight is actually my favorite movie, and The Dark Knight trilogy is my model for superhero films in general. 

Yeah, Farscape and Stargate stuck around. There's even a new Star Trek series. 

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Zomg420 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 19:01:09 +0000 UTC]

Also since this is your personal timeline... where are you? Confederation President? Alt-history big time writer?

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RvBOMally In reply to Zomg420 [2016-11-10 19:05:05 +0000 UTC]

Probably a somewhat well-known alternate history and science fiction author who makes enough to get by. Of course, the other details of my personal life would have also gone differently.

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PachPachis In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 16:02:07 +0000 UTC]

Well, this does confirm some things about your politics (and other interests) I always suspected. That's fine, I was getting tired of drawing inferences based on what the opposite of your dystopias would look like. 

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RvBOMally In reply to PachPachis [2016-11-10 16:56:07 +0000 UTC]

It's good that you can't get too good a bead on what my politics are based on my dystopias, because I aim to be as objective as possible. I want to give everyone's ideas a fair shake, even if it means hitting them equally hard. I certainly don't claim to have all of the answers, and I'm ready to accept being wrong on any issue. 

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TLhikan [2016-11-10 15:55:38 +0000 UTC]

"People actually like anchovies on their pizza"

Darn it RvB I knew we couldn't trust you to not make a dystopia. 



Really though, it's not too bad of a world and I don't think the scenario is that preachy. 

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RvBOMally In reply to TLhikan [2016-11-10 16:48:38 +0000 UTC]

My membership in the human species has been questioned by the anchovy thing. What people don't understand is that anchovies are more of a condiment than a topping proper. They enhance the flavor of the pizza. If the pizza tastes bad because you put anchovies on it, it probably tasted bad to begin with and your tastebuds are just now realizing this. Or, you made the mistake of piling anchovies on the pizza slice. Of course it will taste bad then! That's like dousing something in pepper, and then claiming salt tastes pepper! 

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TLhikan In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 16:57:49 +0000 UTC]

Maybe that's how things work in *your* home timeline...

I mean, I can't judge, I sometimes enjoy pineapple on pizza and my friends have seriously considered cutting me off for it. 

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RvBOMally In reply to TLhikan [2016-11-10 17:23:53 +0000 UTC]

Pineapple is great on pizza, but I like it with ham. Haven't really tried it with other toppings. 

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TLhikan In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 19:07:44 +0000 UTC]

Pineapple+ham+bacon is a great combo. 

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MetalSlimeHunt In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 15:46:39 +0000 UTC]

See, now that there's two T-15 maps it's gonna be a thing. Not that I'm complaining. I wonder what the inverse concept would be named? "Sum Of All Fears" is literal yet taken.

At risk of delving, what's your ideal for space exploration in this brave new world?

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RvBOMally In reply to MetalSlimeHunt [2016-11-10 16:54:21 +0000 UTC]

TL-16, I would be guessing.  

I actually forgot about space exploration! I'll add this:

There is a much greater regard for science, and there is a pro-science mindset in general. There is no widespread opposition to the idea that climate change is happening, but it isn't happening at such a rapid pace thanks to China's new government focusing a lot on environmental cleanup. It is still regarded as a problem, but proposed solutions are more tech-based, such as greater reliance on nuclear power. Space exploration is highly regarded, and is something the Confederation's government actually invests money in. The Russian government, being rather richer than OTL, also has more money to spend on its space program. Private firms are also participating; there are several SpaceX analogues, and they're more successful than OTL's. Space is seen as the next step of human development, necessary for long-term human survival. 

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jrh222 In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 15:34:33 +0000 UTC]

I too mourn how MOBAs destroyed the RTS genre as we knew it.

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RvBOMally In reply to jrh222 [2016-11-10 17:44:37 +0000 UTC]

I'm not even asking for something new and revolutionary from the RTS genre. Just give me a classic, fun game. Red Alert 3 was fun. Starcraft II was fun. Neither game really changed much about the RTS genre. 

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Whachamacallit1 [2016-11-10 13:33:56 +0000 UTC]

Anchovies on pizza? This world is hell.

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RvBOMally In reply to Whachamacallit1 [2016-11-10 16:54:41 +0000 UTC]

I knew that would cause some consternation.

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Whachamacallit1 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 17:12:52 +0000 UTC]

I actually don't mind anchovies on pizza, but I couldn't resist the opportunity

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WatcherInThePuddle [2016-11-10 13:20:48 +0000 UTC]

Anchovies on pizza! You've created a dystopia you monster!

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RvBOMally In reply to WatcherInThePuddle [2016-11-10 16:59:50 +0000 UTC]

It appears my superior taste has caused some controversy.

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WatcherInThePuddle In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-11 12:44:29 +0000 UTC]

REEEEEEE

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Void-Wolf [2016-11-10 13:14:10 +0000 UTC]

This looks very interesting!

I wonder if an event has to be on your birthday or if you can just do minor changes that lead to bigger events.

May 1 is an important day...

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RvBOMally In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-11-10 16:59:31 +0000 UTC]

The event can be after your date of birth.

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Void-Wolf In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-10 22:41:35 +0000 UTC]

I'm thinking I might just have several small events or make my own event starting and have it go from there (well, within reason).

No alien invasions or such XD

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InfernoMole In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-11-10 13:18:21 +0000 UTC]

I swear to God, if you balkanize Russia again...

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Void-Wolf In reply to InfernoMole [2016-11-10 13:30:12 +0000 UTC]

Or what? I get it, you don't like it tht I don't make your beloved Mother Russia into a superpower, but I am getting tired because it does feel like you are hassling me over alot in general.

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InfernoMole In reply to Void-Wolf [2016-11-10 13:34:14 +0000 UTC]

Sorry.

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The-Artist-64 In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 12:11:18 +0000 UTC]

I might have to make a Timeline-15. Sounds fun.

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RvBOMally In reply to The-Artist-64 [2016-11-10 16:57:43 +0000 UTC]

I'd love to see it!

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InfernoMole In reply to ??? [2016-11-10 11:54:15 +0000 UTC]

>Reality TV never took off

This means that there is no Dom-2. I believe millions of Russians would rejoice if this was a possibility.

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RvBOMally In reply to InfernoMole [2016-11-10 16:59:05 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure people around the world would love it if there were no reality TV. Of course, we make up the minority; otherwise, stations won't keep making the damn things. But I'm not going to tell people what they can or cannot enjoy; I can, and do, just avoid those things. 

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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-11 05:55:55 +0000 UTC]

Why do people even like that crap!? it's even worse then the cartoon channels, Disney, Nick and Cartoon Network (less so for the last one) going all teen sitcom BS!

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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2016-11-11 16:23:44 +0000 UTC]

I have no problem with people watching and enjoying those shows, so long as they can talk about other things. 

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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to RvBOMally [2016-11-11 22:15:47 +0000 UTC]

And those that only talk about them?

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