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This is the last map I had prepared for posting over the summer. A bit convoluted, but given the subject matter it's necessary. Enjoy.---
A war between the Western and Eastern Allies is, to many, inevitable. While the two were united against the forces of the Third Reich, it was a situation of the two sharing an enemy. To the Western Allies, the Soviet Union was another totalitarian dictatorship that would happily take all of Europe had it had the chance, and it did invade Poland along with Hitler. To the Soviets, the Western Allies were distrustful and happily let the Third Reich rampage through the East. Furthermore, the disastrous Trinity test, which killed everyone at the test site, convinced American military planners that nuclear weapons were too unstable to be used. Instead, the Allies planned on launching a conventional invasion of the Japanese Home Islands.
Things escalated quickly after Operation Downfall. Stalin reneged on declaring war against Japan, opting instead to keep troops in Europe in case of a major war. This was seen by some Allied planners, including Winston Churchill, as a nefarious plot to take control of Europe while they were tied up with Japanese resistance. Thus, the Allied troops in Europe were ordered to stay in high alert, in case of a surprise Soviet offensive. The Soviets responded in kind. This kept tensions high, when the powder keg was lit during the Berlin.
In November of 1945, as Allied troops were still hunting down Japanese fanatics in the mountains, the Soviets had refused to allow the Allies into Berlin. The Allies attempted to supply them via air, to which the Soviets responded with warning shots. It's not entirely clear whether or not the Soviets intentionally shot down an Allied transport craft or not, but this was responded to with fire by the transport's escorts. Soon, all of Berlin was engulfed in a firefight between Soviet and Allied troops. With both sides on high alert, fighting spread before a political arrangement could be reached. Churchill, Truman and Stalin had all believed that this day was inevitable, and thus ordered their countries to go to war.
The initial stages of the war heavily favored the Soviets. Allied troops were pushed back to the Pyrenees, upon which the Allies made a quick agreement with the Franco dictatorship to preserve his regime if he joined the war effort and opened his country up to Allied troops. Fearing Soviet invasion, Franco agreed. Meanwhile, Great Britain once again became a great staging ground for another amphibious invasion of the European continent, planned for Calais. The European continent itself was riven with partisan conflict and civil war, some conflicts involving up to five different sides fighting for pro-Allied and pro-Soviet causes, with some independent and even pro-Axis movements thrown into the mix. In the East, the Soviets launched an offensive into Manchuria and Korea, bringing the shaky Republic of China into the war. At the homefront on both sides, war weariness gave way to outrage at the "betrayal" their ally against the Axis committed, and both Allied and Soviet leaders had no trouble in calling for the imposition of a new world order to prevent another conflict from happening again.
By 1947, the bombing runs were taking their toll, as the Allies enjoyed total air superiority over their Soviet foes. The landing at Calais was a success, although not as successful as the Normandy invasion. Furthermore, the Soviets experienced difficulty in subduing southern Europe, where the Soviets learned about the danger of partisans as their German predecessors had, and they also blundered in Finland. But the true turning point was the discovery of various Trinity documents that revealed something drastic: the scientists had made a miscalculation in the bomb's construction. The Little Boy and Fat Man bombs, which had already been produced, should work without destroying the bombing craft. And at any rate, averting a Soviet-dominated Eurasia was worth a single bomber crew. At the news, atomic bomb production was put into overdrive.
The Little Boy was dropped on the city of Hamburg, which was serving as a major staging ground for the Red Army. Nearly eighty thousand Soviet soldiers perished during the bombing, along with about a hundred thousand civilians. Stalin was horrified at such a weapon, but the Allies demanded unconditional surrender. He would fight on. The decision proved to be disastrous: the Allies began to strike the Soviet Union proper. Sevastopol was hit with a nuclear bomb, and in February of 1948, Vladivostok was destroyed. In March of 1948, Minsk was hit, which broke the back of the Soviet forces attempting to defend their country against the Allied invasion. Stalin himself began to lose the confidence of his inner circle, who believed that if they did not surrender, they would meet the same fate as Hitler. Stalin would have none of it, and threatened his inner circle with another purge. This was the final straw, and a group of conspirators successfully killed Stalin in May of 1948. However, the conspirators were caught after the act, and a small civil war was sparked within the Soviet Union itself. This was ultimately stopped by Zhukov, who ordered the Red Army into Moscow to take control and, most importantly, surrender to the Allies.
The Allies agreed that a new, united, democratic world order was necessary to save the world from the dual threats of totalitarianism and world war. It was under these principles that the United Nations was founded, and after the Soviet Union's "betrayal," it was proved to be more necessary than ever. The UN today isn't the global superstate envisioned by its more idealistic founders, but it is a powerful global force, with a sizable detachment of Peacekeepers that have the authority to depose governments that are deemed to be threats to world peace. The UN even has zones which it administers directly, mostly carved out from the defeated Axis and Soviet powers. The European Community and the Pacific Community are two international organizations that share currencies, have free travel between members and share some regulations, in an attempt to keep these regions from going to war by banding them together.
The UN is technically led by the Big Four of the US, UK, France and China, but everybody knows that the US is the first among them. The United States sees itself as a global policeman, and thus has troops and bases all over the world. Internally, the United States is the most conservative of the Big Four, save China, with society being one of silent consensus much as it was during the post-war era.
The United States' European allies are just as committed to the cause of peace. Although much poorer due to having borne the brunt of World War II, the European Allies are no slouches in the military intervention department. Britain and France are democracies that a bit more left-wing than the United States, but are ultimately "radical" in their moderation: both overly right-wing and overly left-wing politics are seen as too close to Nazism and communism, respectively. Just ignore the fact that ex-fascists tended to run the show in Italy and the German remnants in the post-war era. The Intermarum, on the other hand, is very conservative and Catholic, seeing itself as a liberated nation continuing the legacy of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Intermarum is very committed to keeping the Germans and the Russians down, although they hate the Russians far more for historical reasons.
The Russian Republic is a corrupt democracy forged from the post-war Allied occupation of the Soviet Union. The Allies attempted to purge all elements of Soviet rule from the new Republic, and thus staffed the Republic's government with political prisoners. What the Allies did not understand is that many of these political criminals were also criminals in a very conventional sense, which quickly corrupted the Republic. However, Russia knows that it cannot challenge the UN, and so it keeps its military to within the levels permitted to it by the UN and abides by all of the UN's directives. After all, the politicians cannot loot a dead nation.
But the American-led UN consensus is not strictly obeyed. In the East, China has broken off and taken its own path. Although still a member of the UN, China merely uses it as a forum for keeping the UN out of its affairs. China remains a dictatorship under the KMT, but its vibrant economy and major trade with the West overshadows any possible internal dissent. Because of the world's aversion to war, the UN is content to let the Chinese be, and the Chinese are disinterested in hitting the American hornet's nest. China does have an international network of "independent" states, chief among which is the Union of Arab Republics. Founded on the principles of Arab nationalism, the UAR sees the UN as a Western imperialist plot, but the strongmen that have led the UAR have always seen the value in oil revenue. Thus, they work to keep the Middle East stable.
The world is a peaceful place, but not a pacifist one. There are still many armed conflicts around the world, but until they reach a level where the UN feels compelled to intervene, they are allowed to continue on. There are those that wish to overthrow the current world order, but they rarely have followings larger than a few thousand people. Nobody is fearful of nuclear war, as both the UN powers and China realize that it would be a disaster, noting the minor climate change that occurred at the end of the Second World War. This leaves some people wondering what a third world war would look like, but apart from novel writers and online posters, nobody really cares.
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XamuelReyes [2022-01-10 15:00:34 +0000 UTC]
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AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-10 02:05:18 +0000 UTC]
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RvBOMally In reply to AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-13 05:36:32 +0000 UTC]
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AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-07 03:04:34 +0000 UTC]
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AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-07 01:55:02 +0000 UTC]
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RvBOMally In reply to AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-07 02:46:05 +0000 UTC]
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AbleArcher1928 In reply to RvBOMally [2021-11-07 02:47:10 +0000 UTC]
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AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-07 01:18:14 +0000 UTC]
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RvBOMally In reply to AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-07 02:43:38 +0000 UTC]
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RvBOMally In reply to AbleArcher1928 [2021-11-07 02:47:19 +0000 UTC]
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holywhitehounds [2017-09-21 13:28:02 +0000 UTC]
Why did Stalin decide not to invade Imperial Japan and rather focus on Europe? Was it to distract the Americans from being fully committed to the "inevitable" war in Europe?
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RvBOMally In reply to holywhitehounds [2017-09-21 13:52:08 +0000 UTC]
Partially, but mostly because he wanted as many men as possible in Europe.
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JESzasz [2017-08-18 20:11:20 +0000 UTC]
Having Stalin ending up assassinated for refusing to surrender would have been pure karma. Bombing Hamburg (the place of the hamburger!) was a dick move.
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filip2000ko [2017-06-09 06:01:53 +0000 UTC]
So did the Allies/UN keep Josip Tito in power? Because I see a united Yugoslavia there, which would be nearly impossible without him. Or did they brought back the monarchy?
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RvBOMally In reply to filip2000ko [2017-06-09 08:15:33 +0000 UTC]
They kept Tito because he joined the war against Stalin.
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ptwolv022 [2017-03-04 21:16:14 +0000 UTC]
TL;DR Summary:
After the Trinity Tests result in large casualties, Nukes were put on the backburner, and instead the Nip homeland was invaded. With Soviets reinforcing Europe rather than helping in Asia, and the Allies distracted weeding out fanatics in a mountainous guerrilla war, Berlin access is refused, even by air. After a warning shot mistakenly takes down an air carrier, war erupts. The USSR quickly pushes to the Pyrenees mountains, the Allies agree to shore up Fascist Franco's Funhouse in exchange for military access and an alliance. As Europe falls in to chaos with complex free-for-all civil wars with Allied, Soviet, Independent and even Neo-Axis factions. The Soviets invade Korea and Manchuria, bringing Chinese republics into the mix. In 1947, with Brittannia, America, and the Allies ruling the heavens, a slightly less successful D-Day 2 (the sequel is never as good as the original) is landed in Calais. With the Soviets trying to reboot the Axis Invasion of Southern Europe and still cranking out crappy Red Invasions of Finland, the Soviets begin being pushed back. Their fate was sealed once it was learned that scientists had miscalculated in the Trinity tests, and that the already built Fat Man and Little Boy would not destroy its bomber like the Trinity Test bombs (though the Allies were ready to sacrifice a few bomber crews in order to stop a Soviet Eurasia). Little Boy was dropped on the fast food loving Soviets who had used Hamburg as a base for the Western Front. When Stalin refused unconditional surrender, the Allies went Nuclear. Svestapool, Vladivostok, and Minsk were all bombed by March of '48, breaking the back of the Soviet defense. After Stalin was assassinated, and civil war erupted, Zhukov marched the Red Army into Moscow, restoring order, and surrendering to the Allied invasion.
The UN was created, with a large army of Peacekeepers that deposes regimes that threaten to upheave the world's current order. The UN has direct administration of various former Axis and Soviet territories, while the European Community and Pacific Community act as a European Union of sorts and an Asian Union of sorts, each with their own "Eurozone", "Schengen Area", and international cooperation. The USA, just as it did in reality, decided to become the somewhat conservative world police, being more conservative, but less conservative than the odd one out of the "Big Four", China. Britain and France and the rest of Europe is pretty active in peacekeeping, though these two and most of Europe see the far-right as Nazism, and the far-left as Communism, making them the oxymoronic "Radical Moderate". Poland re-married Lithuania and created the Intermarum and is rather conservative, and Germany and Italy were led by fascist remnants. Meanwhile, the UN decided to purge all Soviet rule from Russia, putting political prisoners in power, which turned out to be a poor idea because many of them actually deserved to be in prison. But, the corrupt Russia knows its place and plays nice in global community. Nationalist China, on the other hand, basically uses its position in the UN to tell them to "F*ck off m8, you're not my real dad!".
This has led to an uneasy peace, the UN opposing the Kuomintang Dictatorship but fearing war, and China also has no interest in a war. Also, they are buddy-buddy with the Union of Arab Republics (and others), which are Anti-West and Anti-UN, but keep Middle East peace because they want oil money and prosperity.
War still happens, but the UN stops any that escalate too large, and China and the UN know that nuclear war would end the world.
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BadgingBadger [2016-08-24 19:47:32 +0000 UTC]
I remember Fenn-O-Manic also making a map of such a "danubian union" between Austria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia.
Mind, have you heard of Harry Turtledove's new book trilogy, The Hot War? It also imcoudes a war between the western powers and the soviets (though i think the soviets had too many nukes in the book).
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-08-24 23:08:30 +0000 UTC]
I have heard of it, but I haven't read it.
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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-08-26 02:21:55 +0000 UTC]
Okay.
(PS i noticed a typo in point of interest #18)
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Freedim [2016-08-15 19:03:52 +0000 UTC]
Some questions:
1) what exactly was the Japanese invasion like? Did the allies figure out a way to make it less gruesome for the invading forces?
2) could you imagine eventual German reunification (under UN surveillance, of course)?
3) Under what circumstances would the US return Vladivostok and Kamchatka to Russia, and do you see it happening someday?
4) is Tokyo still occupied, and if so will it ever end?
5) what is Korea like?
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GDSPatheII In reply to InfernoMole [2017-04-26 07:32:15 +0000 UTC]
of what the map or real life
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The-Artist-64 [2016-05-09 21:18:23 +0000 UTC]
We really should have kept going and ended the Soviet regime after Germany fell. For that reason, I like this scenario. It's sort of the way things should have went down.
I take it that Mao's revolutionaries were defeated and the warlords were conquered? It looks like the Republic of China has stabilized if they were able to take Mongolia.
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Jeova0sanctus0unus In reply to The-Artist-64 [2016-10-20 18:53:54 +0000 UTC]
The exact same thing that happened to the Wehrmacht would have happened to you as well.
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The-Artist-64 In reply to Jeova0sanctus0unus [2016-10-20 21:16:10 +0000 UTC]
Maybe with conventional invasion, of course. Napoleon and Hitler proved that. That's why we could have utilized the great power of the atomic bomb instead. It was right in that short window of time when we could have done it without response, too.
Of course, that would have had consequences that would make it wasteful and pointless. Stalin would become a martyr, we wouldn't be able to win the favor of the Russian people...pretty much an even bigger mess than before. However, in an ideal world where this can be achieved without major consequences or moral dilemmas, that's how things should have gone down.
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Jeova0sanctus0unus In reply to The-Artist-64 [2016-10-20 21:35:58 +0000 UTC]
The Power of nukes. Yea Both of the nukes you had at the time.
Also, maybe you should remember that using nukes is almost a warcrime in itself?
Just like Clusterbombs are?
Besides, trying to nuke russia is not easy. First Russia is Fucking massive, and most planes of the time could not fly that far. Flying from Britain to Germany is easy. Flying from Britain to moscow? good fucking luck. With the planes of 1945.
Also What favour of the Russian People? You think you have that?
Im sorry to tell you but the Russians dont like you. (of you are american that is, if you are british then replace that with "The Russians dont give a fuck about you, they think you are a American Colony")
And Finally "Where this could be without major consequences or moral dilemmas" ? You mean Prolonging a war that could end right there, attacking a soverign nation only because you happen to disagree with its Political System. and killing hundrets of thousands of people that dont have to die? that is not a moral dilemma that is flat out evil.
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The-Artist-64 In reply to Jeova0sanctus0unus [2016-10-20 22:03:30 +0000 UTC]
Wow. Someone takes his stuff seriously! I can respect that.
Keep in mind that we were completely ready to have another bomb built in a month or two, since we weren't sure how many it would take for Japan to surrender. It would have been possible, if that's what you're questioning. Now, with the planes, it would certainly be difficult. I'll give you that one. Still, it wouldn't exactly be impossible. In terms of morality, I actually see the atomic bomb as quite a merciful way to keep the peace- but I'm sure you have plenty of 'thoughts' on that.
While the Russian-hatred comment is true to an extent, are you a better source than I am? Are you a Russian? I somehow doubt that. Just as I don't speak for my country as a whole, I'm sure one Russian wouldn't speak for his people either.
Oh yeah, watch out, most evil guy in the world right here. I wonder how long it'll take before you call me 'literally Hitler'...oh boy, I can't wait for that. Stalin was worse than his counterpart in Germany, and he killed hundreds of thousands of people that didn't have to die. Are you saying his murderous regime had any right to continue tormenting generations for political insubordination, or even just for fun? This isn't so much about economic disagreement as it is a matter of democracy, and the USSR was a flat-out dictatorship. But sure, we'll just keep on thinking that the Cheka didn't slaughter innocent civilians, Gulags were nice and pleasant, Berlin wasn't raped, Hungary wasn't beaten into submission when it tried to westernize...y'know, everything a nice, morally upright nation does.
If you'd care to continue, let's go ahead and do so via notes. It's not exactly polite to clutter up a page with long-winded debates.
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Jeova0sanctus0unus In reply to The-Artist-64 [2016-10-20 22:23:28 +0000 UTC]
I would write a complete answer now, but i have to go to bed, i have to get up early tomorrow.
Ill continue this tomorrow evening, when i have time.
Also... what do you mean with a nuke to keep the peace? I thought in this scenario it was used to destroy citys? or am I mixing up the scenarios here (I have been reading a lot of them today)
Let me just assure you that as a german i know full well how shit it is to have the red army run through and conquer your nation. Is is just that as a german my perspective on this is: best summarized with: Leave us alone, the war is over i have a nation to rebuild.
I must admit though i have no fucking idea what a Cheka is supposed to me.
About why i assume that the russians dont like you ill tell you tomorrow. (I am really tired)
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The-Artist-64 In reply to Jeova0sanctus0unus [2016-10-20 22:46:29 +0000 UTC]
Well, of course when both sides have thermonuclear warheads, there's nuclear war. That's obviously not good. The only time where they had practical use was when we were the only ones who had them and could use them to bring peace. Japan refused to give up and Emperor Hirohito wouldn't stand down, so we had to bomb them until they surrendered. Not necessarily a happy ending, but it's one that saved millions of lives on both sides. A conventional invasion would have been horrific for everyone. Likewise, the Cold War could have gotten very, very bad. If there's a multiverse out there, the majority of Earth equivalents are atomized wastelands. I almost guarantee you that Russia would have been the aggressor, too.
I'm not asking for complete support of the U.S., but at least recognition that the Soviet Union was never the 'good guy'. East Germany, the Berlin Wall, the 1953 Uprising...yeah, Moscow wasn't too nice to your country. At least we let West Germany hold free elections, have peaceful protests and decide the affairs of their country for the most part.
The Cheka was basically the predecessor to the KGB during Lenin's time in power. They killed a lot of people.
Anyways, definitely shoot me a private message when you're ready.
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InfernoMole In reply to The-Artist-64 [2016-08-05 23:13:15 +0000 UTC]
I am appalled because I am Russian and seeing cities and lands vital to Russia occupied and Russia turned into a crime haven terrifies me.
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RvBOMally In reply to The-Artist-64 [2016-05-09 23:25:20 +0000 UTC]
Yes, Mao was defeated with the aid of the Allies.
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Freedim [2015-12-28 04:51:01 +0000 UTC]
If another nation was to take Russia's place as the fifth permanent member of the security council, who would it be?
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diamond0099 [2015-12-03 23:01:18 +0000 UTC]
This is a pretty cool map. However, the Intermarum's name just bothers me there. It only has access to 1 sea, so the name "Intermarum" - AKA Between Seas makes no sense.
Also, what is the font that you use? I'm planning to create my own scenarios using it and I really want to know what is it called.
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RvBOMally In reply to diamond0099 [2015-12-04 06:19:06 +0000 UTC]
Intermarum is an in-universe artifact name, because the original plans involved Ukranian membership, but that never panned out.
The font is called 04b03.
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BadgingBadger [2015-09-16 21:14:11 +0000 UTC]
Had operation unthinkable failed, what do you think the world would look like by now?
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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2015-09-16 23:14:07 +0000 UTC]
Eurasia would be a lot more like subsaharan Africa.
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KnightofLiberty [2015-09-10 22:31:03 +0000 UTC]
A world without communists, would be a much better place to live rather than a universe were the Soviets are kicking on, into the 21st Century. As does George S. Patton gain presidency?
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RvBOMally In reply to KnightofLiberty [2015-09-11 00:55:13 +0000 UTC]
Patton never gains the presidency, because he never wanted it.
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KnightofLiberty In reply to RvBOMally [2015-09-19 16:01:53 +0000 UTC]
That would make sence in his nature
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GarinkoGarinko [2015-08-30 14:14:00 +0000 UTC]
Favourited because the Ulster Republic made me think about home in a whole new way. And not in a good way. Impoverished Protestant theocracy...
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RvBOMally In reply to GarinkoGarinko [2015-08-30 17:00:51 +0000 UTC]
Hah, I had to have a North Korea somewhere.
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