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rvxen In reply to goodbunny2000 [2007-04-25 04:33:41 +0000 UTC]

kickass, i hope to see it when you've got it loaded up! mostly it wouldn't be such a huge peeve if the web wasn't so flooded with manga style stuff while the 'american traditionalist' stuff, that which is drawn well of course, is downplayed or ignored. i've even seen some really terrible 'manga' stuff that gets way more attention just because it's 'manga'. siiiigh, what're we ta do...

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goodbunny2000 In reply to rvxen [2007-04-25 19:40:38 +0000 UTC]

in my opinion North American styles of traditional cartooning are just underappreciated. I blame the market for mass producing trash, When I was a teen most of the decent cartoons and comics out there were manga and anime, If i didn't rediscover a lot of the comics, comix and toons from the 30s to the 70s I'd probably be drawing manga myself.

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rvxen In reply to goodbunny2000 [2007-04-25 20:36:40 +0000 UTC]

*shudders at the thought* i'll admit there was a time when i was copying things from manga and anime and thought that's where my talents lay as well. and there is great stuff from japan and even some of the faux-manga american people. but like you, i discovered the underground american scene and was changed (saved?). but also i see the same sort of hegemony of style going on with the american superhero comics. what i find the saddest in all the comics i have read are the comics where you can tell that the artist is trying very hard to get the 'standard' style and drastically falling short. the comic then becomes much more uglier than if the artist had struck out on their own path.
but fame and fortune has massive sway over the populous and if you are seriously stiving for that kick, it'd make most 'sense' to try to emulate the top artists at companies like marvel or dc. me, i want to get to a place where i can make art that i really feel is an expression of myself and be able to live off of it. whether that gets me international attention or just a few towns around where i live doesnt matter aslong as i and others enjoy and appreciate what i contribute. and i'm willing to work decade if it takes that long to achieve my dream.

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goodbunny2000 In reply to rvxen [2007-04-25 22:13:36 +0000 UTC]

What your saying is something I've heard echoed by many cartoonists (and fine artists) in our age group. (Hopefully) we're seeing a shift in the way this generation creates and appreciates "art." Weather any of us makes money is a different story...

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rvxen In reply to goodbunny2000 [2007-04-26 01:53:20 +0000 UTC]

i had a neat convo with someone who was arguing that the 'artist' is dead. that since the internet where anyone can get their fifteen minutes has come about, you won't have movements (i.e. surrealist, dadaists, postmodernists, etc) anymore and rather it's going more towards individualists stepping on each other to reach the top of the heap for as long as they can. i disagree about some of that. firstly, i think it's great that the hierarchy and limitations of the 'art world' are being stripped away and anyone who puts a doodle onto a page can have the world see it. does this take away from the value of the art? not at all, we just have to redefine what we mean by value. for me, i judge by finding those who seem to have as much of their own voice in a piece and how much work they've put into it. does that mean i don't want those doodlers to stop posting? Hardly! if everyone spent their time creating art in any form, thus doing what they loved to do, and were able to live off of it, i feel that a majority of the world's problems would go away because the general happiness factor would increase dramatically.

i think now is the time to reorganize and start working together in large groups to optimize materials and to support those who need it. up with the artist collective!

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