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Okay, this was an assignment for school. We had to pick a news article and then draw an editorial illustration for in in the span of four hours. I did this in about 3.The article was about how France (and Canada) are attempting to ban burkas. Not the headdress, just the gown. I found this...weird?...coming from two countries that rather enjoy the "female form." It's like women are dolls for politicians to play dress up with.
So, yeah, kinda controversial, but...It was an assignment. *shrugs*
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You've got it wrong. They're banning the burkha because the burkha basically shields the entire womans face, it's dangerous and it IS pretty oppressive for a woman to have to feel she's that low that to be seen as 'fit' she can't show her face.
The hijab, or just a normal headscarf is fine, you don't have to take off your big dress you can still wear that. It's just the head piece burkha.
Plus there have been several accidents where women attempting to drive with burkhas have crashed so it's a public safety issue as well.
You're only banned wearing them in public, you can wear them at home if you like.
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I was just going by the articles I read. They were very vague in some parts. And I do agree that it is oppressive, but on both sides. To force someone to wear something or to force them to not wear something is against basic human freedoms.
I wasn't aware of the car crashes or safety issues, but that does bring up a good point. The hijab removes your peripheral vision. People already take too many risks while driving by distracting themselves, giving yourself a handicap like that is tempting fate.
I figured it would only be a public ban and not a total one.
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The burkha, many don't know, isn't forced on Muslim women. Islam doesn't force anything on anyone, but some cultures do that, and that' what creates the confusion. I do agree with you that it is oppressive, but only in the case of being forced. Many Muslim women choose to wear it.
As for car accidents, they're not as a result of wearing the burkha, because it doesn't remove the peripheral vision. Actually, it helps to reduce distractions.
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Yeah that is simply silly, i have read some articles but i have yet to find any good reason for that ban :S
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I'm assuming they banned the full thing because of the whole anti-terror thing being that it's easy to hide bombs when wearing the whole outfit. However, this is France and Canada, not the currently somewhat turbulent Middle East. Get a grip, governments.
I do not agree with interfering with other people's religion and dictating dress codes. However, I do think that people who travel/live in other countries than where they were born, for whatever reason, should respect the customs of the country. I wouldn't go to live in, say, Japan or India or Russia, and expect to be able to order fish & chips. I'd expect to have to integrate into the society.
Maybe I'm biased because of the immigration issues the UK is having, but given the nature of the burka - there's a simple solution here. Wear it on your private property 24 hours a day if you want to, but *not* in public where it can be mistaken and percieved as threatening.
I personally am Wiccan and I do wear a pentacle which sometimes gets me funny looks (what with the whole confusing it for satanism thing) so I can understand wanting to wear something for religious reasons even if other people don't get what those reasons are. The case against this law being passed is reasonable. However it comes under the whole "respecting the culture of your current country" thing. Bleh. Rant over.
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I actually don't know if they banned it. I never followed up on the story. I'm assuming they didn't because I still see women walking around in them.
Governments have a tendency to jump on bandwagons in order to distract people from more important issues.
I'm not a religious person. At all. But I respect people's right to practice their beliefs so long as they aren't going to harm others in their practice. In the case of culture, though, here in Canada we have no specific culture. We're a melting pot of different cultures from all around the world. Which is one reason why I find it so odd that our government would jump on this issue.
Ah, the pentagram. Like the Swastika it's true meaning has been lost to the populace due to ignorance, time and misuse. I have a few friends who are Wiccan so I've been witness to those "funny looks." Honestly people, read a book.
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I know x3 Its amazing how many people stop reading when they leave school. Though to be honest RE at school is a joke. They don't teach you anything about the alternate religions to Christianity, Judaism and Islam. True, Buddism and Hinduism are mentioned, but that's it. Mentioned. Maybe if they started teaching people about the pagan religions as well there wouldn't be as much of a to-do about them with these satanism scares.
My parents freaked out when I put down that I was wiccan on a job application. You'd think I'd just wrote "If you hire me I'll sacrifice your babies" on it in blood ¬.¬' So far as I'm concerned if they can't be professional about that kind of thing as a company it reflects badly on them and I dont want to work there.
But I don't think I'd wear a pentagram in a church, because hey, it's a church. It's not my area, so to speak, and I have to respect that. Same thing with this. It's not a specifically muslim-ish country, so isn't it common sense to expect consequences like this? Lol x3
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Technically they did teach you about Pagan religions, because every religion that's not christianity in some shape or form is a pagan religion. But I understand what you mean. However, even if people were educated about it they may not change their mind. They'd simply scoff and go about their now educated ignorant ways.
....What kind of job application asks what your religion is? Isn't that kind of like asking what your sexuality is on a job application? It's a private matter that doesn't (probably doesn't. It depends on the job) interfere with work. I'd consider that an invasion of privacy and I'd probably write as much on the application
...? But the Pentagram is a part of Christianity too. Or was, I don't think many people realize that it once was. It was used to symbolize the five wounds of christ. I guess over the course of their campaigns to slander other religions they ended up alienating a part of their own.
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This is true, but at least they'd have well informed reasons to be ignorant. That's forgiven easier than people who are ignorant because they havent done their research/base their argument on hearsay.
It was an "equal opportunities" thing. A way for the county council employing me checking that their places are employing people from minorities as well as the typical white/christian group. You didn't have to fill it in and as I later found out they dont even read them, they just shred them. At the place where I work at least.
Religions tend to adopt sacred symbols from previous religions to keep it familiar. Halos = sundisks, Isis & baby Horus = Mary & baby Jesus etc etc. so I'm not surprised.
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I find that I'm less forgiving of people who are ignorant who know better. When you're acting out of blindness you have the excuse of not knowing any better. When you do know better and yet you still behave in such a way it's like you're being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.
Ahh, I see.
Yeah, I know and that's one reason why I am not religious at all. Because it's all bullshit from other bullshit, just reformatted with the names and places changed like some bad fanfiction. Don't get me wrong, the stories are interesting - I love mythology - but they're NOT REAL.
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What's interesting is religion is very slowly becoming reduntant now because the new generations are coming to believe that none of it is real(and rightly so, it's only real if you want it to be real). Give it another 100 years I'd safely bet religious groups will be a major minority.
Which is why it disgusts me when I hear about adults scaring children into religion with the dogmatic BS of "you'll burn in hell and so will your family if you dont follow our rules". Like the whole abstinence thing I hear is going on in the US. But thats probably just me and my beef against Christianity for trying to force people to be who they aren't for the sake of avoiding a hell that doesn't exist. Bleh ¬.¬
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I don't quite agree. I think Science is becoming the more dominant Religion in a sense. People believe scientific "fact" without batting an eye. I try to take every scientific fact I learn with a grain of salt, because I know that in a few years people will discover something else that with disprove or expand upon the original fact. Where Religion is steeped in Tradition, Science is always evolving and changing, although it is not without it's taboos as well.
I have a beef with Christianity too. I was raised in a Lutheran family and while it was less dogmatic than other forms of Christianity it still has the same teachings and oppressions. When I was growing up, I don't think I ever once really believed what I was being taught. I thought they were stories (which they are) and that it was some kind of game. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, but I've always found the different versions of it to be kindof interesting.
The Abstinence thing? ...I think it's called the "Opal Ring Crusade" or at least one of it's forms is...Sex is a complicated issue to me. People should be allowed to have sex, but that doesn't always mean that they should have sex. Sex comes with consequences sometimes (Children, diseases) and you should be aware of them and think about them before you partake in it. I'm abstinent at the moment but it's not for some religious reason. It's because I'm not interested in dating and even if I was I'm not a very sexual person 
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Glad to know its not just me thats not interested in sex ^^
My dad is very anti-religious, he views it as time wasting and impractical. Which is why I am not a practicing Wiccan - he wont let me, and it's his house so I respect that view. My mother's a relaxed Christian. So she's ok.
It's more the idea of the Abstinence campaigns that bother me - teaching people that it's wrong to go against their natural instincts, which in some cases can seriously screw up self image/self confidence and generally cause a lot of undue stress on teens already stressed because of exams. It's just not fun.
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We're a minority, but there are numerable people who have no interest in sex for one reason or another.
My family is divided. They either don't care or they're devoted. Although, with the devotees, they only seem to be really faithful when they need something to go right >___>. I abhor organized religion, but I tolerate it. Because ultimately it's the individual's choice as to what they believe.
Yeah, but with how RIDICULOUS some of those campaigns left you have to be a little touched in the head to believe them. The more extreme ones make me laugh. Like I said, they're ridiculous. But I agree that dissuading people form their natural inclinations can really screw a person's head up.
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Really? They banned the full outfit but not the headdress? (I'm assuming, from your illustration, that it's the full facial veil headdress.) I would have thought that (if anything) that would be the part they'd ban. Personally, I think it's their religious right to wear the headdress, but it's still the part that creeps ME out (because you just know that at some point some criminal would put one on to get away with a crime).
People walking around with what are essentially masks over their faces makes me nervous. You couldn't tell the difference between people who are wearing it out of modesty/spiritual motive, or people who are wearing it out of an intent to rob a store/attack someone without being identified.
(And I do say this as someone who sympathizes with the religious motivation to wear modest coverings.)
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They did ban the headpiece. Not the outfit, this person has got it wrong.
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They're trying to ban it. It hasn't gone through yet (nor should it). I believe the reason this whole debacle started was because a person refused to take it off at the airport so that the officers could confirm who they are. But, again, one must ask, why is the gown being put into question when it's the headdress that obscures facial features. And YET It doesn't even really MATTER if a person wears something that fully covers their form at the airport because the modern ones have those security scanners that show everything. And I do mean everything. You're naked on those screens.
Masks don't usually bother me, because most people wear metaphorical masks every time you see them. People rarely ever show their true selves to the public. But I agree when it comes to using those masks or something similar to get away with a crime; that's why most convenience stores (at least here in Winnipeg) have a sign on the door that tells you to take off your hoodie or whatever before you enter, and if you don't they have a right to refuse you service.
I'm not religious in the slightest, but for those who are I respect their right to choose to be so. As well as their right to choose what they wear. Clothing doesn't hurt anyone.
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I can see both sides of this fight. I mean I can see how it'd be kind of bad to expose young girls to images of a woman being hidden under a shroud for the sake of her religion. At the same time I'm a fashion designer and a religious woman so I think that they have the right to wear what they wish. I mean I'd hate for someone to tell me not to wear a cross in public because it offends people even though I sometimes like to wear a cross. It's a fine line they are tiptoeing on right now, how much right is too much right and how much law is too much law. For me I think it should be fine for people to dress according to their religion. The young girls that France and Canada are trying to protect can be educated to understand the meaning of the burka and in that understanding come to respect it as part of the belief structure of someone else.
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It is a really complex issue with so many different things involved (Politics, Human rights, prejudice, religion, etc). It makes it hard to ever come to a proper resolution.
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