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It's been a while since I have drawn Arkos... So this happened, again ^^ Still miss Pyrrha... T.TRelated content
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The lighting makes it look like there's something supernatural going on in this image. I'm thinking either Jaune at some point dies heroically in battle and reunited with Pyrrha on some Elysian Realm, or Pyrrha's been pulled out of the grave and made quick once more.
Either way you did a good job conveying their emotions - it looks like they're happy to see each other, lost in each other's gaze and perhaps even in disbelief they are together.
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Just yew wait till dey kill off Jaune and see ow ee ends up meetin' Pyrrha loike dat...
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Absolutely stunning. I love the intense emotion portrayed in their faces. well done!
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Pyrrha: You've been fighting for a long time, you should rest, get some sleep.
Jaune: I am asleep, this is a dream.
Pyrrha, then it is a good dream.
Jaune: Dreams pass in time.
Pyrrha: Then what matters is what you do with the time you have now.
Jaune: I want this to last forever.
Pyrrha: It won't, destiny has other plans.
Jaune: I don't believe in destiny.
Pyrrha: Then you're braver than I ever was
Pyrrha: It's time to wake up
Jaune: Wait! Not...Not yet.
Pyrrha: Go save the world Jaune.
Jaune: I Love You.
Pyrrha: I Loved till the end
(Jaune pulls her close)
Jaune: There won't be another, I won't dishonor your memory, I swear that to you.
Pyrrha: Jaune...
Jaune: After I kill her, I promise I'll join you.
Pyrrha: Jaune, don't die for me. Live, live and know I'll always be with you.
(She taps his chest, directly over his heart.)
Pyrrha: In here.
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The best OTPs in RWBY. Hope this will happened.
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Well I hope so too... I love those two wayyyy to much to accept she could truly be gone. T.T
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And one day, his fate will be accomplished. He will see Pyrrha soon. Just for a long, long time.
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Probably... they deserve to be happy, in this live or in another...
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While Yang has always been my favorite character in the show, Pyrrha’s a strong Goddamn second. I've been in a depressive rut this past month after a Black Sun author paid tribute to her and put the ship to bed for himself.
Personally, my recovery has been a long-time coming; first by watching Vol 4’s episodes instead of the season recap, then hit the forums to see more than 2/3s of the fan base is *still* calling bullshit on Pyrrha’s death, but not shying away from expressing their grief and gaining support.
I’ve come to something of a peace for myself regarding Pyrrha and gotten a little out of my own head. Until the end of RWBY, nothing is set in stone; stone breaks even if it were. As much as the guys at RT are pushing it, I have faith that Pyrrha will return, completely, as well as Arkos. Until then I’ll leave some old wisdom: Never hesitate to tell someone you care about them, and never take their friendship for granted. Give thanks. Share sorrows. Weep freely. Love unconditionally. Dum spiro spero.
As I breath, I hope.
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To be fair, that was one of the WORST deaths in fiction I've had the displeasure of seeing, right up there with Green Lantern's girlfriend getting stuffed in a fridge. By the way, there's an entry on the "Stuffed in the Fridge" TVTrope page for Pyrrha, and it is RIGHTFULLY deserved.
Simply put, we analyzed this from the perspective of the writing mechanics, leaving out such aesthetics as symbolism and allegory (as those things are purely subjective), and found numerous MAJOR faults. GO check out my profile page for the tip of the iceberg as to why we call foul then and still call foul now. On the RT forum page, you can find me as WrightKnight.
And Raven's one line in the next-to-most recent episode has given the "Pyrrha can be revived" idea STRONG grounds.
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I'm still pissed off about it. I absolutely understand the guys at RT wanting to keep to Monty's vision for the series. He was more than a co-worker, he was a close friend and they want to do right by his wishes. But not at the expense of the story, and RWBY's writing has just fallen apart; with Pyrrha's death, with the Maidens, and ESPECIALLY with Ruby's silver-eye powers. The writing for Vol 3 was absolutely atrocious in the last three episodes--it felt rushed and unfinished, and you can SEE IT. I would have ended the volume with Penny's death, and started up Vol 4 with the fall of Beacon/Vale, and killed Pyrrha at the quarter-season, then have the Mourning After that Vol 4 was. Pyrrha's death wasn't just narratively sloppy, it's manipulative and lazy. "Even our strongest warrior can be killed" is the weakest bullshit I've ever seen to handwave a tonal shift any series takes.
Honestly, if I were writing this, and I had to, I would have killed Ruby. She's the heart and soul of the series, if the purest member of the cast isn't safe from the hand of death, then who is?
Vol 5 has been good so far but it's because BETTER FUCKING WRITERS have been thrown at it to salvage the dumpster fire the show became in Vol 4.
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That would have been just as bad. That's basically killing Captain Kirk in the same way you'd kill a Red Shirt. The two characters have clearly different abilities to drive a narrative, and it's jarring when you snuff a main without completely exhausting one's narrative ability, which is EXACTLY what happened with Pyrrha, and is exactly what would happen if they'd offed Ruby. Now, if you wanted to pull the Traumatic Superpower Awakening for Ruby and show that "no one is safe" and all the other defense that the RT zealot fans have thrown up to justify season 3, then Yang Xiao Long is your catalyst to kill. She'd done nothing but be Blake's support and Ruby's sister up to that point, and she'd technically fulfilled her one weak character arc, which was to find her mother (mother came calling for you and she don't even care). Never mind that, as the Invasion played out, Yang is now the Plot Armor representative....and quite frankly, I could see her beating Pyrrha in a straight-up fight. All she'd have to do is go into that fight without her weapons (nothing for Pyrrha to manipulate).
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Like I said, Yang will always be my best girl. But you're right. As much as I love and admire her, Yang is the crutch of the group. In Vol 1–3 her character was the weakest and if anyone had to die--like actually built up to it and not thrown in for shock value--it would have been her; I'd just tell you what I, as a writer, would have done. If Vol 4 did something right, it knocked her down several pegs and got her started on a road to rebuilding herself.
I'm just now reading your journal entry covering RWBY's failings and I have to thank you for helping me put my feelings to logic, it's very cathartic and resolves a lot of the grief and frustrations I have with the dismal third season. My personal gruff with RWBY has been more of a taste issue, I'm unimpressed with the staunch black versus white morality and the lack of thematic nuance the series has--the villains are either flat or cartoonishly evil (ESPECIALLY Tyrian), obnoxious, or unprofessional. Really the only villains I actually like at all are Cinder for her tenacity and Mercury and Emerald because it's clear that they respect each other's abilities.
And, yeah, Yang would win over Pyrrha. Hands down. No pun intended.
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With me, I look at the mechanics first, much like an architect's blueprint. If that's not sound, then anything built on it is meaningless, and that's what Pyrrha's death is for me, especially with the Silver Eyes: a building with absolutely no solid support structure. And as for the Yang/Pyrrha fight, it would actually be close, but what would make Pyrrha lose is twofold: her fighting style feeds right into Yang's Semblance, and Pyrrha lacks a true finisher. It'd come down to a battle of attrition and stamina.
Did you read the other piece, the one comparing Ruby's Silver Eyes, Goku's ascension to Super Saiyan, and the events that brought each one about?
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I did, and I've got a few points that I'm "Ehhh..." on but overall I agree with you on. Yang's injury really should have been what started Ruby's Silver Eye rampage and Vol 3 end with that. But that kind of an asspull is still unforgivably sloppy writing and I will slap the fuck out of any asshole that says otherwise.
I LOVE RWBY, full stop. It's my most favorite American made anime since Avatar--LoK was fine, but the lesyay push felt hamfisted in the later seasons. But I'm not blinded by fanboyism, the show has problems. Always has and probably always will. But that's okay. I've had my own frustrations with the hit/miss writing of the series even before Monty died, but the hiring spree RT has had and the improved writing quality in Vol 5 has increased. It still has several quirks that get my fridge logic working, but overall it's been a good watch.
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Speaking of Korra, looks like I CORRECTLY called Yang being a blatant rip-off of Korra in every possible way.
To say more would be spoilers.
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What with the outofnowhere ship? Sweet fucking Christ.
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Actually, that's the only thing that's missing.
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Or do you mean the mellowing out? I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I haven't seen the finale yet.
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Go back and watch all of Legend of Korra (or watch it for the first time if you haven't yet). With the sole exception of Korra and Asami hooking up in the end, Yang Xiao Long's story mirrors Korra's PERFECTLY, and the character herself is almost Korra exactly.
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So pretty standard loose cannon development. Sans elemental powers. I've seen that coming since Yang "broke" Mercury's leg, she's a fiery hot head, the show's Berserker, and not much else. Like her dad said in V4, her Semblance is a temper-tantrum (insert aside joke about her first haircut here), and the use of sheer brute force would (will?) only get her so far. Against the random thug and Grimm, it's excellent. Against more talented opponents like Cinder, Yang'd get tap-danced around. In the words of Bruce Lee, she needs to be like water. Bend and flow, strike and crash.
"Be like the water, friend."
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1. Boisterous brawler
2. is drawn with visible musculature to emphasize physical power to help solidify number 1
3. defaults to fire when pissed
4. Has a close bond with a dark-haired woman with familial ties to a revolutionist group
5. First real defeats are against someone who uses a fluid multi-hit style to rob her of her power
6. Brought low by Mercury
7. Physically disabled by a major antagonist in season 3
8. Has PTSD from number 7
9. First major thing done after recovery from the disability is to be trained by an elder (and after the group splits for a time)
10. First major confrontation after recovery is to rescue someone bound in a cage from another major antagonist (the first real test of the "character development" from the re-training)
11. I cannot post this one, as it is a spoiler, but watch the last episode of Legend of Korra, specifically the middle of it for the event I will be comparing it to
So.....am I talking about Yang Xiao Long, or Avatar Korra?
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Okay you’ve got me there. Oh well. I’ve got enough to hold against the series to add creative thievery to the pitch pile. And Like Picasso said: Good artists borrow, great artists steal.
I think that was Picasso, at least.
And to be fair, I do wat to give Weiss some benefit of the doubt she could have at least broken out on her own. Whether or not she would have made it very far...
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Problem is, Picasso never had to deal with intellectual property and copyright laws.
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Would a framework of the monomyth fall under IP and copyright? Or is it the particular plot points that irk you? I could be over thinking this, however, and it would not at all be the first time.
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No, the framework would not, but the details built upon it do. Kinda like comparing Disney's Pocahontas and James Cameron's Avatar (which is another essay breaking down the similarity of their respective plot points and characters in and of itself). Or for two more Disney examples, The Lion King to Osamu Tezuka's "Kimba the White Lion", and Atlantis: the Lost Empire to the anime "Nadia: Secret of Blue Water". To use a non-literary example, the discoveries of the laws of physics and those using them as a base would not (such as the gravitational constant and the visible spectrum), but what you create using those properties would.
In the end, the answer is no. It'd be like trying to copyright a specific form of calligraphy or drawing technique. But what you DO with those techniques CAN be subject to copyright and IP. It's the crux behind the troubles with fan productions based on established properties (ALL Abridged Series as the biggest example), and why they MUST credit the original source.
Here's another example: the Sorceresses from Final Fantasy 8.
1. People who received their power from a godly/divine source
2. Can use magic naturally, without the aid of Limit Breaks or Guardian Forces
3. Known to be female only (the only exception is the original, Hyne)
4. Their powers pass to the next person when the Sorceress dies
Sound familiar?
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I agree you should credit sources and fair use law when working with assets from another IP, absolutely, bit working with the tropes that built that IP? I'm skeptical. And I'm not all that familiar with FF8 or '90s games in general. I was 5 in '98, and the biggest release I knew of was Ocarina of Time. I was in middle school when I played FFX and boy was I not at all impressed with that. I admit I've only had a surface-level involvement in RWBY up until Pyrrha's death, and even then my gripes with the series have been by storytelling and presentation, not the elements with which the story gotten told--or trope wars, as I call it.
Look at MGS3's end boss and Bloodborne's "true" end boss. Both are elder figures of legend that shaped the events of the world they resided. Both served as the mentor character (directly or indirectly), and both are well outside of the prime of their abilities. In The Boss' case, her introduction illustrates her prowess via max cutscene power, and her death is the result of underestimating Volgin's ruthlessness and has to pay the price for gambling with her cover. In Gehman's case, however, is shown his prowess in the boss fight, and defeating him sets him free from the oppression of The Hunter's Dream and fight Flora the Moon Presence, bring an end to the Scourge of Beasts and the Hunt, and ascend to Mankind's Second Childhood.
Also, a team of color-themed teenagers with attitude and fighting powers working for a mysterious wizard to fight an ancient witch he may have created in the first place? Gee. What's that remind me of?
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When you compare two things, and they share one or two tropes? Not enough to go on. When you have nine, ten or eleven common elements like my comparison to Yang and Korra? Definitely something worth investigating further. By the way, the list I cited about Final Fantasy 8's Sorceresses is also the list for the rules around the Maidens of RWBY.
Now, if you want to compare something to the very premise of RWBY, I'd advise you to go look at Soul Eater before Power Rangers. It's also well-known that three of Monty Oum's favorite media franchises were Avatar: The Last Airbender, Soul Eater and Final Fantasy. So yeah, I think I have strong grounds to say that Monty might have taken more than mere inspiration from certain elements of those series/video games. The difference between all of my examples and the MGS3/Bloodborne one you cited is that in the case of yours, there's enough difference between the two character to truly set them apart as their own entities.
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…I think I’ve lost the plot here. Let me recap and correct me if I’m wrong: Yang’s character arc is lifted [wholly(?)] from Legend of Korra. I agree, the gist of the plot is outright the same, but the presentation and pacing of Yang’s character is different. Not by much, but different nonetheless. I ask if that breaks IP law, you say no—I think—and I poorly attempt a comparison and that’s where I’m lost.
I guess I’m not as invested in this line of exchanges, but I do enjoy it. It’s interesting stuff, and I think it’s enlightening to see this side of the show. I’ve gained a perspective I didn’t consider or really have any idea of it in the first place. Again, I’m not nearly as media savvy as I like to front; Soul Eater I couldn’t get into, and dropped after the first episode. FF8 I didn’t even get through the tutorial, because holy shit was the magic drawing system
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I'm saying that there's enough that's similar that you could make a case that it DOES break IP/copyright laws, both in character traits and character arc/story path. Again, one or two things the same, no real case there. Ten or eleven, as I laid out? Might be worth looking into on a legal level. Korra's Equalists, the fighters that beat her easily with quick-strike attacks designed to rob her of her power, are the same as Neo's victory over Yang in season 2. Adam Taurus is Korra's Zaheer, inflicting a grievous and crippling injury in the show's third season. The element of Mercury is present in their respective downfalls, Zaheer using it as a physical poison, Cinder using Mercury Black as a social poison. After a lengthy time skip, a Mentor figure helps get them back into shape, which includes reining in their tempers and restoring the physical functions that were lost. Upon traveling after that, they arrive for their first confrontation with the villain of the season as their initial test to show that the growth has taken root (this is the only divergence, as Korra was goaded into single combat against Kuvira, where Yang didn't take that bait). Then a reunion with their respective group of friends and comrades. You see where I'm going with this. It's not just the character traits and story beats, but even the ORDER in which those beats happen, the event sequence is the same.
And as I noted with Final Fantasy, it's not the only place where Monty basically lifted wholesale from other sources, most of them being from his favorite things.
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Ah. In that case, yeah, absolutely. I can only guess why RT hasn’t been taken to court over this.
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Well, that was beautifully written... and very wise too.
It took me a long time to accept her death, and still, I'm not sure I managed to do it ^^ I'm still angry when I think about how she died...
But you're right, nothing is set in stone yet, we'll see what happens...
Anyway, thanks for your comment
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Thank you for thinking So. 😊
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Guys, the things put up here in this conversation. I have to make a sarcastic snort on this. The sweet irony of what you guys put here is so damn nailing it. You guys are speaking my mind. RWBY really made a mess and than brags like it's the next big thing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of this series but it got its list of major issues but the things you have put here are all nailing my ideas on this series.
The whole idea of killing off Pyrrha is one thing but the whole thing how they tried to sell (shove it down our throats) really made me angry. The way they handled her death in Volume 4 and the small references we had in Volume 5 really made me angry. For me, Pyrrha was my favorite girl and Arkos has been OTP asap I knew the series.
For me, Pyrrha was something rare. She was warm but strong and given my usual watchlist, that was a nice breath of change. But that asides, her death, what I haven't said about that. It could be avoided, it could have a bigger meaning, it could have been carried out better. That they killed her off in such a horrible way was one but that RoosterTeeth had a shitty way on handling her death and what it should mean, made me really angry.
I'm gonna sound rude now but I don't care if Monty wanted this. If he was alive, I would be saying the same thing. RT is using that excuse and that makes me sad to see. I read FanFics, post Volume 3 and 4 and those were twenty times better. Learn a bit more.
Ranting asides, sarahlrn, this picture is amazing. Those things help me with my unresolved love for Arkos. As a chat partner once said. In canon, they have sunk Arkos but the sub marine fleet is huge.
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I totally agree, and it doesn’t help that the FNDMB parades Monty’s corpse around to justify every little hiccup the animators let slip or every time Miles and Kerry fumble the plot. I love the show, but I will call bullshit when i see it.
has a lot of great points to make on it, I totally recommend you read his journals on the calamity that was Vol 3’s finale. It’s very cathartic to see someone with a little more insight into storytelling and character pick apart the things that grind my gears about the volume.
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Maybe it is because I joined RWBY in late 2015/ early 2016, I don't think I'm that big affected by the fandom. Monty's death was tragic yes but they're using his death, fandom and RoosterTeeth for everything. The answer of some fans on Pyrrha's death. Monty wanted it that way.
I like the show too but I'm not going to stop on commenting mt ideas.
When I find the time. I'll look his journal up.
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I’ve been in since the beginning but I’m not nearly as blinded by hype as some people. I like the show, and became [i]really[/i] invested in a few of the characters because I identified with them. I was never as into the show as other people, but as a (perpetually) aspiring author, the storytelling speed bumps irritate me past rationality.
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The funny thing is, I haven't written anything in almost 20 years (and I DO remember every piece that I either did or didn't put down on paper, trust me, you DON'T want me to write anything). I just have some formal schooling, over 30 years of fiction immersion, and engineering education to help give me the most objective conclusions I can get.
And I could write another ten, twelve pages easy on the failings that were season 3 and the death of Pyrrha Nikos. I have helped dismantle EVERY SINGLE DEFENSE, claimed by fan and writer alike, of that event.
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Anything that gets the FNDMB’s panties in a twist.
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Guys, I agree with what you've written so much. I love RWBY, but man, has that been a struggle to uphold lately. You want to know what - for me - the last two "darker" Volumes have lacked? Half the fucking characters we loved. Neptune, Scarlet, Sage, Neo, hell I even miss Cardin! Glynda, Oobleck, Port, all these great characters and where are they?
Pyrrha is and always will be my favorite character and the character that got me invested in RWBY, so you're damn right I'm pissed to see her go in such a rushed and shit way. The tone shift was so fast we didn't have time to get used to the dark, just suddenly thrown into fucking pitch black. It's like Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban jumping straight to the Deathly Hallows! Oh everyone's dead or missing or gone, here's barely two teams going on an adventure against cartoony villains of whom we don't know any of their motives really, making them the most 2D thugs ever.
Like I said, I do love the show, but lately it's really been letting me down. All of this was my own opinion of course, and I totally don't expect anyone to agree, just thought I'd rant a bit haha.
Oh and Sarahlrn, gorgeous artwork as usual, honestly you just get better and better! You draw Pyrrha so beautifully, all that wavy red hair looks amazing! Keep drawing and stay awesome! 
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Yeah RT dropped the ball with a lot of the storytelling elements. It really shows how much of an influence Monty had on the plot.
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Another thing I wasn't keen on - and it'll be interesting to hear what you guys think - was how Mistral looked. Going off of Pyrrha's Grecian and spartan influence in her design, I expected and always imagined bright blue skies, blaring sunshine, deep red clay tiled roofs, sandy beige stone buildings with great cornice and Corinthian columns, but instead it was dark and gloomy and didn't stand out from anywhere else we've seen. It was really lackluster to me, really couldn't imagine Pyrrha walking around and calling it home and fitting in, you know?
That, and the abysmal mentioning of her in her own fucking homeland in vol 5 was criminal. I was so hoping for at the very least a few of her posters up, hell even if they were graffiti-ed by people who thought she killed Penny on purpose, you know what I mean? Something to carry on and build on from her awful death. Hell, I stupidly had hopes we'd meet her parents. Well that got dashed quick enough, huh?
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I agree, but I thought Mistral's aesthetic was more of the deep Orient, but I agree. I want to see more Greco-Roman architecture, get that sword & sandal kind of love going. Then again, Mistral as an empire covers a lot of real estate, so maybe Pyrrha was from a culturally distinct region. But that's semantics.
Also, I'm gon' steal that description for my fic. Just a heads up.
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Haha go for it man! I adore Grecian architecture.
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I miss Pyrrha a lot. She's one of my favorite
RWBY characters.
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She was my favourite, without the slightest doubt. The series is still amazing, but it's not the same without her.
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