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Another off-the-cuff Fraggle character. The accompanying text was added at the last moment, and holds out the intriguing speculation that "silly creatures" -- ie. humans -- can be transformed into Fraggles somehow, and that Debb has just realized what's happened.Question for the viewers... should I continue my own model for Fraggles, or return to a more Henson-derived model (as in Mokey & the Rock Spiders).
I'm also playing with the idea of other Fraggle groups. The show has hints that this is so. Remember the Fraggles who had no fun and went to war with the Great Hall Fraggles?
I've invented two new groups. The Clatterhorn Fraggles who live on a great pile of rocks in a huge, tall chamber. And the Winding Stair Fraggles who live along an incined road up the side of another cavern. Debb now lives with the Winding Stair group.
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In one of post-Baum Oz novels, the heroes,seeking help for their conquered kingdom (the royal family got turned into fireplace logs), come upon a people who live on a huge staircase. They ever go up & down, stepping in & out crude houses. When they finally reach the top, they are ordered to GO DOWN by a king Comeup and Queen Godown who go up & down stepladders. Kabumpo naturally defies them and goes between the stepladders into the next threat.
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The Oz books were full of weird ideas ... but in the main weren't very good stories. I've only read Baum's, mind you, so may be misjudging the rest.
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The last 2 books were published posthumously, and notes were found for a another story, but just fragments. Such were never used.
Ruth Plumley Thompson wrote 22 Oz books, one of them being a story rewritten to be an Oz book. (Baum wrote Rinkitink in Oz as straight drama fantasy, but revamped it as an Oz book to get it published. It makes an awkward reboot 2/3 of the way. App. the original text was lost since.)
O'Niell wrote 4 oz stories,3 published in his lifetime. The first was editorially tampered with to add an election subplot. The last was not finished by him. Wonder Books published a finished version. I was not happy with his books, they being unbridled. About the time of WWII the annual tradition stopped.
Jack Snow retconned out Ruth Plumley Thompson's additions, except for the Yellow Knight and rebooted him. He wrote 3 books and a short story that suggested he had mental problems. He was influenced more by Lovecraft than by Baum.
Since then other authors took up the pen. Dick Martin ,now deceased, did the last canon one. I myself wrote an Oz novel, at the peak of my prowess. CASPER IN OZ. Not published, BUT you can see the start of it in my Userpage. I refer in it to the "44 books of Oz".
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I've heard of the Rjuth Plumley and O'Niell books, but never read one. The only reason I've read all the Baum ones is that Del Rey republished them all as cheap paperbacks in 1979. Oz books by the other authors were only available in more expensive trade editions. That's probably still the case.
Since then, there have been a number of "adult" Oz books -- one, notoriously by Philip Jose Farmer -- Barnstormer of Oz. I think the hero is flyer who ends up bedding Ozma. I wonder how he'd have felt if he knew Ozma had spent her childhood as a boy named Tip? Joan Vinge wrote the novelization for Return to Oz, based on the Disney film. I suppose it hardly counts. Then there are the series of books written by Gregory Macguire, starting with Wicked, The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West. I happened to buy the first edition hard cover of that, and made sure I did the same for all subsequent volumes. Not that I expect them to make me a fortune someday ... but the first may be worth a hundred bucks if sold to a dealer. I think I've run across one or two other "adult" Oz novels, but they don't come immediately to mind.
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Barnstormer of Oz is mentioned by Casper as one he did NOT wish to crash in, It retcons the whole concept, and Ozma never existed. He also did NOT wish to horse around in Volkov's Oz. Too -different, and its geography was too ravine-y
DelRay DID publish most of the Ruth Plumley books, but the last 4 were published by Wonder Books (DelRay claiming poor sales) and a final pair by the Oz club itself. They were, however, allowed to go out of print whereas the Baum novels were reprinted . The last 2 were delightfully illustrated by Dick Martin.
Some purists feel that only the first 3 books are canon, and discount the next 3. Thurber,one of my favorite writers, only accepted the first one.
A whole chapter in THE PATCHWORK GIRL OF OZ was cut as (1) the book was already very long, and (2) the story was too disturbing. The text was lost and, after some waffling about replacement story, the chapter was entirely omitted and the gap skillfully closed. You will not find any trace or scar bet chptr #20 * 21.
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It may have been that the Del Rey Plumley books were trade paperbacks instead of mass market paperbacks -- a difference of about 1 inch in each dimensions and costing an extra $1.95 ... at a time when the smaller books were priced $2.25. Doesn't sound like much now, but imagine it in 2014 dollars. $8.95 vs. $14.95. I probably didn't want them badly enough.
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Pretty much what I can see. THE WISHING HORSE OF OZ was their last Oz re-publication. The club published the rest of Ruth Plumley Thompson's works, and Wonder Books went on to republish O'Niell's mad Oz books, which, in my fan-fic, are dismissed as non-canon. After O'Niell, the annual tradition of a new Oz book, lapsed. It's been that way since.
I recall purchasing mine at a book store on 23rd bet Lexington Ave, and Broadway c.1980 or so. The store is long gone. I've taken special walks on my way home from work, taking advantage of shorter hours during humid summer weeks. Now I am on vacation and will return at the end of Aug, - to a regular scheldule.
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I once had a first edition of the 2nd. Oz book ... but it was the Canadian publication, and no collectors wanted it. I ended up selling it for a few dollars rather than the hundreds the US edition might have been worth. Collectors are such snobs. I wish, now, I'd just kept it, but five bucks in the 1970s was a lot of money to me ... more than $50 would mean to me now.
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do you do fragile-fied requests?
if so, could you do me?
Hi-I-m-me
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I rarely do requests, but I haven't been asked to do a Fraggle-related one before. From the sheer novelty of it, I might be willing. It would be pretty simple, though -- just a figure and costume.
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I don't mind if it's simple, it'd still be great!!
i was hoping to get me, here's a pic for reference:
silktheshapeshifter.deviantart…
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That's just your photo. While it's a fine photo, I can't promise much of a likeness, since the "transformation" won't leave much that's recognizable. Just, basically the hair style. Unless you have a favourite shirt, scarf or something identifiable.
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I do have this black cat belly shirt...
it has a gold glittter gluey- looking cat face on it, just the whiskers, eyes, and ears.
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I think I know what a belly shirt is -- one that shrank in the wash, right, and doesn't cover the belly button?
So a cat's face that's just whiskers, eyes and ears? Well, that shouldn't be hard. I'll assume short sleeves. Why wear a long sleeved shirt that doesn't cover the tum?
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I'll see what I can do with it tonight, then.
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There is a strange tribe in Oz, underground, inhabiting a vast staircase and do nothing but go up & down. They are ruled by King Kumup and Queen Godown. The rulers endlessly climb up & down stepladders and do nothing else. The queen is very savage, and has a bannister for a sceptre ! Stare Way is not a good place to live.
There is also a race of BLIND fraggles that dwell in an abyss. They have no idea of sight (read Kingdom of the Blind).
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A dark corner of Fraggle Rock, no doubt...
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There's a picture of blind fraggles who had just been visited by ones from the lighted caves. They were referring to these fraggles as insane,because they talked about the abyss being "too dark for them" and concepts such as colors. One, a small Blind One, said "colors sound scary" and a third one, a sculptor, said she had an open mind about the whole thing.
The Blind Ones do have a typical Fraggle touch: odd dress. The one saying the upper fraggles were insane with all this color stuff, was wearing a loud tie. It had fallen into the abyss and the Blind One, tho having no idea of its design, knew it was a tie.
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As for tasteless Fraggles, the less said the better.
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I think you should continue drawing fraggles the way you are. It's a cool way to draw them and you can still tell they're fraggles but they're your style too! that's the best part
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Since its the only way I seem to be able to draw Fraggles without simply copying them outright, I guess I'll go on doing it.
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I think if I suddenly found out I'm a Fraggle, I'd be looking for a fraggle hole.
Nice drawing of your OC Fraggle.
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And fraggles can evolve into - gelflings ! So says a fan-fic detailing an alternate ending to "Marooned in Fraggle Rock".
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As long as they don't grow up to be Gorgs... or Republicans.
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Cool! I never saw Fraggle Rock, but I think they look pretty interesting.
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It'a an unusually intelligent and fun program. It takes a little getting used to the amount of music, though. But I eventually learned to like even that -- some of the songs are deeply moving, I found. Look it up on Wikipedia for more information.
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Unless and until you're hired or licensed by Henson Productions (or whomever currently owns them) to produce Fraggle material, you're drawing for yourself. Go your own way with it.
As for maps, the Fraggles aren't proficient enough to create a highly accurate map, are they? No surveying, just artistic representations of what's important to them and how they perceive it. (The Doozers might have some, but only of the areas they work.)
Other areas... hm. I wonder what their Doozers might use to make Doozer sticks?
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There is the Cave of Dreams, where the original Doozers came from. They seemed to build in rock, as far as I could tell. Gobo tried to eat some pillers and proclaimed them "yucky."
I suppose Uncle Matt's map could have been just a sort chart that told you what side the turns were on and in what order, rather like charts in ancient times. Nobody knew how to make geometric projections and estimates of distances were pretty inaccurate. In the middle ages they used books or written instructions "portolans" or "rutters." The Fraggle Map may well be a more visual version of one.
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I'd say draw Fraggles the way that seems right to you. I prefer to draw Muppety-looking Fraggles, but I enjoy seeing other takes on the characters and species. Your designs are appealing to look at.
I've written a fair amount of fanfic, and in one the Minstrels visit other Fraggle colonies. Why not? They travel around, uniting the Rock with music, so there must be someone to unite. Also, you notice how unusual Cantus looks (furry all over, feather mane of hair, tall). I believe he comes from a Fraggle colony so distant that they've developed different characteristics.
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Sounds reasonable.
At times I've had thoughts of a Fraggle Rock map. By necessity, it would be incomplete, but out to include every cave mentioned in the show, and if possible bear some resemblance to directions given in various episodes. But it would be a lot of work.
The one map shown, in "The Heart of the Rock" is obviously just a representation of a map and not a real map. The whole sheet was covered by known tunnels and caves, and it was a symmetrical as a pencil maze.
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I think it would be impossible to make a single, complete map of the Rock, for the reason that their world of caves is three-dimensional. You could map one slice of it, or one small section, but showing multiple depths, particularly if you have lots of things above and below each other, would be hopelessly confusing on a piece of paper.
You could have a map book, turning pages to change depths. Or maps might be less literal in the Fraggle world, more designed to show how to get from here to there than actual spatial relations.
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I've seen maps of caves that have many levels, and they generally assign a set of chambers or tunnels to a specific level, and depict one level per sheet. In actual, fact, a tunnel on level 1 that is on a single line from cave A to cave B might well dip into level 2 between them, but be shown on the top sheet anyway.
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